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bluesabreevening all00:19
Unit193Hello, bluesabre.00:21
bluesabreflocculant, should be fine, also going to hit all of the tests tonight00:21
bluesabrehey Unit193 :)00:21
bluesabreUnit193, how's it going?00:24
Unit193bluesabre: Watching a bit of something before heading out to a social thing tonight. :3  (IE, nothing for Xubuntu. :P )00:25
bluesabre:)00:25
bluesabregood for you, its nice to be social once in a while ;)00:26
Unit193Oh?  Huh, news to me.00:28
bluesabre:D00:34
Unit193How 'bout you, bluesabre?00:39
bluesabrePretty good, got home a bit later than desired but going to try to be productive the rest of the night00:40
bluesabreflocculant, importantish package updates, somewhat relevant bugs between xenial and yakkety (it's been a slow cycle), http://paste.ubuntu.com/23315791/02:39
krytarikbluesabre: LP #1529689 was fixed in Xenial already too though: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/i/inxi/inxi_2.2.35-0ubuntu1/changelog02:47
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1529689 in inxi (Ubuntu) "inxi -m outputs home directory content instead of system info" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/152968902:47
bluesabredarn02:48
bluesabre:D02:48
flocculantbluesabre: thanks06:18
flocculantdid some hardware and vm this morning on 32bit - ready to mark them07:35
flocculantknome: x.org announcement mostly done now07:35
flocculantmarked them ready now11:01
ochosithanks flocculant!12:21
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bluesabrehey everyone16:13
flocculanteveryone left about 3 months ago16:14
flocculantthe rest of us are still here :)16:14
bluesabredarn it16:15
bluesabre:p16:15
flocculanthow's Thursday treating you?16:15
bluesabrepretty good16:15
bluesabreare we officially released now?16:16
flocculantadded bugs to release note - added inxi 16:16
flocculantnah16:16
flocculantnot released yet 16:16
bluesabre:D16:16
bluesabrek16:16
bluesabreneed anything from me?16:16
flocculantnope - all good as far as I know16:16
flocculantwe can edit the announcement later when you know what you want to say :D16:17
bluesabrecouldn't really think of what to say, but your bit at the end seemed good16:17
flocculantI wrote something?16:17
bluesabrethought so :D16:17
flocculantoh 16:18
flocculantI didn't write that ... I  copied it from whatever knome wrote last time :p16:18
bluesabre"Thanks to all who have contributed to Xubuntu, not least those who test for us when called upon, and generally anyone can do that for us all. We will name you all in time – you deserve one last mention. Thank you on behalf of all installing Xubuntu – you all rock!" seemed like something16:18
bluesabreaha16:19
flocculant*I* wrote the gtk3 bit at the beginning :p16:19
* bluesabre claps16:19
flocculanttried to make it sound like you did something in the last 6 months :D16:20
bluesabreI had to grab at straws for the release announcement on my site as well16:20
bluesabre"oh, I did this, and Simon wrote about that"16:21
flocculantwe'll need to sort the get xubuntu page out before too long - if no-one else gets to it, I'll make something that works 16:21
bluesabrecool16:21
bluesabreI won't do any editing right now, but I can follow up tonight as needed16:22
flocculantbank sent me a txt - which I nearly spam banned - apparently fraud ...16:22
flocculantyup - ok - if you can prettify - we needs peoples on the announcement that'll be cool16:22
flocculantI think website team does stuffs too16:23
bluesabreyeah16:23
* bluesabre reminds knome that its release day16:23
* flocculant doesn't know if he can change getxubuntu page and it saves but doesn't publish :D16:27
flocculantknome: I hates the openid thing with our website - keep getting issues with it :|16:28
flocculantblames pleia2 for a change :)16:28
bluesabrealrighty, out for now, bbl16:28
bluesabrehave fun with the *official* release16:28
flocculantcya later - might still be around when you are 16:29
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flocculantand we're published now16:44
* flocculant looks at getxubuntu and wanders off again16:49
flocculantakxwi-dave: good luck then :D16:50
nairwolfhi ;)17:22
nairwolfif there is anything I can help17:22
nairwolftell me17:23
flocculantnairwolf: stuff left to do now is for specific xubuntu teams - other than support which you can do in #xubuntu :)17:26
nairwolfok ;)17:26
nairwolfI'm currently writing some notes for a collaborative french website linuxfr.org17:26
nairwolfthe final version will be the same iso than 20161012.2 ? 17:27
flocculanthttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/16.10/release/17:28
nairwolfyoupi !!!17:47
nairwolfThe Release Notes for 16.10 will be the same as this page ? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YakketyYak/FinalRelease/Xubuntu 17:52
flocculanthttp://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-16-10-release/17:53
nairwolfThank you flocculant ;)17:56
flocculantknome: temporarily added yak as a seperate section below the lts stuff - at least it's now listed there for people18:44
knometa, i'll try to get the website in order today..18:51
flocculantknome: ok - just wanted to get a download somewhere on x.org :)18:52
knomeyup18:53
flocculantdocs obviously needs updating 18:53
knomeyep18:53
knomei'll look at that too18:53
flocculantyea - on the process I remember 18:54
knomei've been sick all week - enterovirus - which is why i haven't done much...18:54
flocculantbasically - just letting you (and everyone else) where we were :)18:54
flocculantoh nasty :~(18:54
knomeit's annoying, but i'm not feeling very sick any more18:55
flocculant:)18:55
knomeok, bbl18:59
flocculantcya tomorrow or something 19:00
nairwolfwhat does that mean this sentence ? 19:18
nairwolfhowever much has been done towards supplying Xubuntu with Xfce packages built with GTK3, including the porting of many plugins and Xfce Terminal to GTK3. Those GTK3 ports can, if one wishes to test them, be installed from one of the team’s development PPAs19:18
nairwolfDoes that mean Xfce Terminal doesn't use GTK3 yet, at 16.10 ?19:19
flocculantpeople have been working on gtk3 ports - they are available at the ppa19:19
nairwolfok19:21
nairwolfbut they aren't available directly on the OS. 19:24
nairwolfWhy ? (it's just to know). Is it still considered unstable ? 19:24
flocculantnot sure - not necessariyl about stability - just that it's something people are working on19:36
flocculanttime to rest now 19:37
knomenighty flocculant 19:37
flocculantnot bed resting - just not worrying about 16.10 anymore :)19:37
knomeheh19:37
knomejust updating the website and docs19:38
flocculantoh cool - thanks :)19:38
knomenp19:38
knomethe download page is up already19:38
knomenow building docs on the dev server19:38
flocculantdidn't really know what we wanted to do about these standard releases on getxubuntu tbh19:38
nairwolfokay, thank you flocculant 19:38
flocculantgood that we shout the lts at the top 19:38
knomeyep, i think LTS is always the first one19:38
flocculanton there yea for sure19:39
flocculanton *here* - not so much :D19:39
knomenow that we have this nice release thing going on, maybe we can try to improve the updating of the download page as well19:39
flocculantoh yea that19:39
knomeeg. only show the latest LTS by default, then link to the release pages for other downloads or sth19:39
nairwolfknome: something really really not critical, but you forget a dot at the end of the second paragraph of this page : https://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-16-10-release/19:39
flocculantthat took me a while to figure out :p19:40
nairwolf" if one wishes to test them, be installed from one of the team’s development PPAs"19:40
nairwolfI supposed you wrote this19:40
knomenairwolf, i didn't :P19:40
flocculantnairwolf: that's cos punctuation is for foreigners :p19:40
nairwolfoh19:40
* flocculant goes to remove all punctuation from the internet19:40
flocculantbbl19:40
* flocculant sets up krytarik to nairwolf aliases19:41
flocculantknome: if you can think of how to say something, bluesabre wanted (a while back) to use the announcement to call for contributors19:42
flocculantand my head was just in getting *something* down for today19:42
knomeaha19:42
knomeso append it somehow?19:42
flocculantmaybe a paragraph after the gtk3 bit ?19:43
flocculantbefore the get the release warble19:43
knomedunno19:44
knome:)19:44
knomedocs.x.o is updated19:44
flocculant:)19:44
flocculantshould copyright include 2016?19:45
knomei guess so19:45
knomeand the support page updated19:46
* nairwolf thinks flocculant need rest !19:46
knomepleia2, press19:48
knomehave we social mediaed either?19:48
flocculantknome: not sure how having the release thing would make updating something easier? surely however it's done someone has to actually build the 'new' stuff 20:06
pleia2social medias are done20:07
flocculantahah - now you've updated get page I see div class="hb white"/regular :p20:08
knomeflocculant, well imagine this: every mirror is entered into a database, with variables in the urls, like "http://mirror.url/xubuntu/$codename/"20:08
flocculanthi pleia2 and thanks :)20:08
knomeflocculant, now you simply tell the website to print all mirror URLs for the release, and for example in this case the link would be "http://mirror.url/xubuntu/yakkety/" without manually having to create the list20:09
flocculantoh right - that 'stuff' 20:09
knomeso linking a new release in the download page would be theoretically as simple as s/16.10/17.04/20:09
flocculantyea I can see that being a whole lot easier :p20:09
knomeAND20:10
knomewith all the release dates and EOL dates in the database *already*20:10
flocculantthen we would lose eol links :)20:10
knomeit wouldn't be hard to tell the website to show the latest LTS and the latest regular release if it's not EOL20:10
flocculantyep20:10
knomeso - yeah - we could make this much easier indeed20:10
knomenot sure we completely want to automate it all, since there's always wiggly stuff, but at least the download link listing...20:11
flocculantthat said the eol date seems to be a moveable feast - nothing to stop us saying some date - as long as it's not after the date -release say20:11
flocculantyea - that is what stopped me doing more than I did :)20:12
knomesure, that's totally in our control in both the actual support and on the website20:12
knomeit's just a field to enter into the DB20:12
flocculant(plus didn't want to screw the page up)20:12
knomethat's ok20:12
flocculantyea - nothing wrong with us fixing 9 months as 9 months imo20:12
flocculantnot 9 months and a week cos someone hasn't done something outside 20:13
knomelol20:13
flocculantyou know the discussions that happen in u-release :)20:13
knomeyeah20:13
flocculantand they would NOT make it 8 months and 3 weeks I'm sure20:14
knomeotoh, one thing why we might want to align is if there are any problems with upgrading before the EOL...20:14
knomebut that's just completely unrelated to this all anyway, so... ;)20:14
flocculantyea :)20:14
flocculantknome: oh yea - a thing I discovered with the Releases side bit20:15
knomeyep?20:15
flocculantit has Show EOL releases - which does - but you can't unshow them20:15
knomein admin?20:15
flocculantwell - refreshing does 20:16
knomeyeah, it's designed to be like that20:16
flocculantno - I mean looking at the website20:16
knomei mean, who cares if they are open already...20:16
knome:)20:16
flocculantoh 20:16
knomeyou usually don't want to see them anyway20:17
knomeso they are hidden20:17
flocculantthat didn't happen last time I'm sure - I was looking for old release note with <includes>20:17
knomebut in case you do, we offer them to you20:17
flocculantseems that if you then go *there* list goes back to current20:17
knomeany refresh resets20:17
flocculantyea I guess so - people like me would be odd cases :P20:18
knomeyep20:18
flocculantwth you would want to look at 2012 stuff for ... 20:18
knome;))20:18
knomethis could be a cookie option - but then we'd have to tell people we are using cookies20:18
knomeso meh20:18
flocculantyea meh20:18
knomeor sth20:18
knomeand as we both said, people don't usually want to even look at those20:19
flocculantyup20:19
flocculantmostly mentioned it just in case :)20:20
knomeyup20:20
* flocculant is looking forward to 'is it out yet' in October - I can join in with them :D20:30
flocculantthanks for everything over the last few cycles people - time for me to rest now :)20:31
knomeo/20:31
knomeyou've deserved it20:31
flocculant:)20:33
bluesabreevening all22:20
Unit193Howdy.22:21
knomedy.22:21
nairwolfhi22:22
bluesabrehey Unit193, knome, nairwolf 22:23
bluesabreknome, feel better22:23
knomefeel, yes, look, no22:24
bluesabregood enough :)22:24
knomeyeah, fortunately the awful throat sores are off22:25
nairwolfgnome-software doesn't have 'GIMP' inside, did you know that ? 23:05
nairwolfApparently, the problem is since 16.0423:05
Unit193Synaptic does. :>23:06
nairwolfas I never use gnome-software, I hadn't noticed that23:06
nairwolfYes synaptic does23:06
nairwolfI don't see this bug at launchpad.23:06
knomewell neither of them has GIMP "inside", they are not *that* bloated software... yet23:06
nairwolfgnome-software is a shame...23:06
Unit193I'm not sure who in the Xubu team actually uses it either, if anyone.23:06
knome<- apt(-get)23:07
nairwolfknome, sorry for my english. How should I say that ? 23:07
Unit193nairwolf: s/ame/am/ ;P23:07
knomei'm just kidding.23:07
nairwolf:p23:08
nairwolfI can't imagine gimp dev be satisfied with this situation...23:08
nairwolfI can't imagine this bug not reported yet...23:11
nairwolfI only see this bug from pleia2 : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/155362923:12
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1553629 in gnome-software (Ubuntu) "gnome-software freezes on Xubuntu 16.04 daily when installing gimp" [High,Confirmed]23:12
nairwolfTomorrow, I'll try to find someone for this bug. 23:12
knomebug 156788323:13
ubottubug 1567883 in gnome-software (Ubuntu) "Can not install/remove Gimp with Software" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156788323:13
nairwolfthank you knome23:15
knomebtw, google "gimp gnome-software", this is the fifth result for me23:16
nairwolfThat's because I used the search bar of Launchpad23:18
nairwolfif you search 'Gimp' at this page, you only find pleia2's bug23:18
nairwolfthank you btw23:18
knomeyes, because this bug is marked "fix released", and those bugs are hidden by default23:19
nairwolfthat's right ! 23:22
nairwolfDo you think it's better to open a new bug, in order to make the new bug visible by default ? 23:23
nairwolfoh, I can change status by myself apparently23:23
nairwolfoh, non...23:23
knomei'd confirm the bug with somebody first in any case23:25
nairwolfI'm not the one to have seen this bug23:27
nairwolfI've seen that from a french reviewer of 16.1023:27
knomeand you can't confirm it?23:27
nairwolfI can confirm23:27
nairwolfI woudn't have talked about this bug if I couldn't confirm. 23:28
nairwolfI verified obviously23:28

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