[00:19] <bluesabre> evening all
[00:21] <Unit193> Hello, bluesabre.
[00:21] <bluesabre> flocculant, should be fine, also going to hit all of the tests tonight
[00:21] <bluesabre> hey Unit193 :)
[00:24] <bluesabre> Unit193, how's it going?
[00:25] <Unit193> bluesabre: Watching a bit of something before heading out to a social thing tonight. :3  (IE, nothing for Xubuntu. :P )
[00:25] <bluesabre> :)
[00:26] <bluesabre> good for you, its nice to be social once in a while ;)
[00:28] <Unit193> Oh?  Huh, news to me.
[00:34] <bluesabre> :D
[00:39] <Unit193> How 'bout you, bluesabre?
[00:40] <bluesabre> Pretty good, got home a bit later than desired but going to try to be productive the rest of the night
[02:39] <bluesabre> flocculant, importantish package updates, somewhat relevant bugs between xenial and yakkety (it's been a slow cycle), http://paste.ubuntu.com/23315791/
[02:47] <krytarik> bluesabre: LP #1529689 was fixed in Xenial already too though: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/i/inxi/inxi_2.2.35-0ubuntu1/changelog
[02:48] <bluesabre> darn
[02:48] <bluesabre> :D
[06:18] <flocculant> bluesabre: thanks
[07:35] <flocculant> did some hardware and vm this morning on 32bit - ready to mark them
[07:35] <flocculant> knome: x.org announcement mostly done now
[11:01] <flocculant> marked them ready now
[12:21] <ochosi> thanks flocculant!
[16:13] <bluesabre> hey everyone
[16:14] <flocculant> everyone left about 3 months ago
[16:14] <flocculant> the rest of us are still here :)
[16:15] <bluesabre> darn it
[16:15] <bluesabre> :p
[16:15] <flocculant> how's Thursday treating you?
[16:15] <bluesabre> pretty good
[16:16] <bluesabre> are we officially released now?
[16:16] <flocculant> added bugs to release note - added inxi 
[16:16] <flocculant> nah
[16:16] <flocculant> not released yet 
[16:16] <bluesabre> :D
[16:16] <bluesabre> k
[16:16] <bluesabre> need anything from me?
[16:16] <flocculant> nope - all good as far as I know
[16:17] <flocculant> we can edit the announcement later when you know what you want to say :D
[16:17] <bluesabre> couldn't really think of what to say, but your bit at the end seemed good
[16:17] <flocculant> I wrote something?
[16:17] <bluesabre> thought so :D
[16:18] <flocculant> oh 
[16:18] <flocculant> I didn't write that ... I  copied it from whatever knome wrote last time :p
[16:18] <bluesabre> "Thanks to all who have contributed to Xubuntu, not least those who test for us when called upon, and generally anyone can do that for us all. We will name you all in time – you deserve one last mention. Thank you on behalf of all installing Xubuntu – you all rock!" seemed like something
[16:19] <bluesabre> aha
[16:19] <flocculant> *I* wrote the gtk3 bit at the beginning :p
[16:19]  * bluesabre claps
[16:20] <flocculant> tried to make it sound like you did something in the last 6 months :D
[16:20] <bluesabre> I had to grab at straws for the release announcement on my site as well
[16:21] <bluesabre> "oh, I did this, and Simon wrote about that"
[16:21] <flocculant> we'll need to sort the get xubuntu page out before too long - if no-one else gets to it, I'll make something that works 
[16:21] <bluesabre> cool
[16:22] <bluesabre> I won't do any editing right now, but I can follow up tonight as needed
[16:22] <flocculant> bank sent me a txt - which I nearly spam banned - apparently fraud ...
[16:22] <flocculant> yup - ok - if you can prettify - we needs peoples on the announcement that'll be cool
[16:23] <flocculant> I think website team does stuffs too
[16:23] <bluesabre> yeah
[16:23]  * bluesabre reminds knome that its release day
[16:27]  * flocculant doesn't know if he can change getxubuntu page and it saves but doesn't publish :D
[16:28] <flocculant> knome: I hates the openid thing with our website - keep getting issues with it :|
[16:28] <flocculant> blames pleia2 for a change :)
[16:28] <bluesabre> alrighty, out for now, bbl
[16:28] <bluesabre> have fun with the *official* release
[16:29] <flocculant> cya later - might still be around when you are 
[16:44] <flocculant> and we're published now
[16:49]  * flocculant looks at getxubuntu and wanders off again
[16:50] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: good luck then :D
[17:22] <nairwolf> hi ;)
[17:22] <nairwolf> if there is anything I can help
[17:23] <nairwolf> tell me
[17:26] <flocculant> nairwolf: stuff left to do now is for specific xubuntu teams - other than support which you can do in #xubuntu :)
[17:26] <nairwolf> ok ;)
[17:26] <nairwolf> I'm currently writing some notes for a collaborative french website linuxfr.org
[17:27] <nairwolf> the final version will be the same iso than 20161012.2 ? 
[17:28] <flocculant> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/16.10/release/
[17:47] <nairwolf> youpi !!!
[17:52] <nairwolf> The Release Notes for 16.10 will be the same as this page ? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YakketyYak/FinalRelease/Xubuntu 
[17:53] <flocculant> http://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-16-10-release/
[17:56] <nairwolf> Thank you flocculant ;)
[18:44] <flocculant> knome: temporarily added yak as a seperate section below the lts stuff - at least it's now listed there for people
[18:51] <knome> ta, i'll try to get the website in order today..
[18:52] <flocculant> knome: ok - just wanted to get a download somewhere on x.org :)
[18:53] <knome> yup
[18:53] <flocculant> docs obviously needs updating 
[18:53] <knome> yep
[18:53] <knome> i'll look at that too
[18:54] <flocculant> yea - on the process I remember 
[18:54] <knome> i've been sick all week - enterovirus - which is why i haven't done much...
[18:54] <flocculant> basically - just letting you (and everyone else) where we were :)
[18:54] <flocculant> oh nasty :~(
[18:55] <knome> it's annoying, but i'm not feeling very sick any more
[18:55] <flocculant> :)
[18:59] <knome> ok, bbl
[19:00] <flocculant> cya tomorrow or something 
[19:18] <nairwolf> what does that mean this sentence ? 
[19:18] <nairwolf> however much has been done towards supplying Xubuntu with Xfce packages built with GTK3, including the porting of many plugins and Xfce Terminal to GTK3. Those GTK3 ports can, if one wishes to test them, be installed from one of the team’s development PPAs
[19:19] <nairwolf> Does that mean Xfce Terminal doesn't use GTK3 yet, at 16.10 ?
[19:19] <flocculant> people have been working on gtk3 ports - they are available at the ppa
[19:21] <nairwolf> ok
[19:24] <nairwolf> but they aren't available directly on the OS. 
[19:24] <nairwolf> Why ? (it's just to know). Is it still considered unstable ? 
[19:36] <flocculant> not sure - not necessariyl about stability - just that it's something people are working on
[19:37] <flocculant> time to rest now 
[19:37] <knome> nighty flocculant 
[19:37] <flocculant> not bed resting - just not worrying about 16.10 anymore :)
[19:37] <knome> heh
[19:38] <knome> just updating the website and docs
[19:38] <flocculant> oh cool - thanks :)
[19:38] <knome> np
[19:38] <knome> the download page is up already
[19:38] <knome> now building docs on the dev server
[19:38] <flocculant> didn't really know what we wanted to do about these standard releases on getxubuntu tbh
[19:38] <nairwolf> okay, thank you flocculant 
[19:38] <flocculant> good that we shout the lts at the top 
[19:38] <knome> yep, i think LTS is always the first one
[19:39] <flocculant> on there yea for sure
[19:39] <flocculant> on *here* - not so much :D
[19:39] <knome> now that we have this nice release thing going on, maybe we can try to improve the updating of the download page as well
[19:39] <flocculant> oh yea that
[19:39] <knome> eg. only show the latest LTS by default, then link to the release pages for other downloads or sth
[19:39] <nairwolf> knome: something really really not critical, but you forget a dot at the end of the second paragraph of this page : https://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-16-10-release/
[19:40] <flocculant> that took me a while to figure out :p
[19:40] <nairwolf> " if one wishes to test them, be installed from one of the team’s development PPAs"
[19:40] <nairwolf> I supposed you wrote this
[19:40] <knome> nairwolf, i didn't :P
[19:40] <flocculant> nairwolf: that's cos punctuation is for foreigners :p
[19:40] <nairwolf> oh
[19:40]  * flocculant goes to remove all punctuation from the internet
[19:40] <flocculant> bbl
[19:41]  * flocculant sets up krytarik to nairwolf aliases
[19:42] <flocculant> knome: if you can think of how to say something, bluesabre wanted (a while back) to use the announcement to call for contributors
[19:42] <flocculant> and my head was just in getting *something* down for today
[19:42] <knome> aha
[19:42] <knome> so append it somehow?
[19:43] <flocculant> maybe a paragraph after the gtk3 bit ?
[19:43] <flocculant> before the get the release warble
[19:44] <knome> dunno
[19:44] <knome> :)
[19:44] <knome> docs.x.o is updated
[19:44] <flocculant> :)
[19:45] <flocculant> should copyright include 2016?
[19:45] <knome> i guess so
[19:46] <knome> and the support page updated
[19:46]  * nairwolf thinks flocculant need rest !
[19:48] <knome> pleia2, press
[19:48] <knome> have we social mediaed either?
[20:06] <flocculant> knome: not sure how having the release thing would make updating something easier? surely however it's done someone has to actually build the 'new' stuff 
[20:07] <pleia2> social medias are done
[20:08] <flocculant> ahah - now you've updated get page I see div class="hb white"/regular :p
[20:08] <knome> flocculant, well imagine this: every mirror is entered into a database, with variables in the urls, like "http://mirror.url/xubuntu/$codename/"
[20:08] <flocculant> hi pleia2 and thanks :)
[20:09] <knome> flocculant, now you simply tell the website to print all mirror URLs for the release, and for example in this case the link would be "http://mirror.url/xubuntu/yakkety/" without manually having to create the list
[20:09] <flocculant> oh right - that 'stuff' 
[20:09] <knome> so linking a new release in the download page would be theoretically as simple as s/16.10/17.04/
[20:09] <flocculant> yea I can see that being a whole lot easier :p
[20:10] <knome> AND
[20:10] <knome> with all the release dates and EOL dates in the database *already*
[20:10] <flocculant> then we would lose eol links :)
[20:10] <knome> it wouldn't be hard to tell the website to show the latest LTS and the latest regular release if it's not EOL
[20:10] <flocculant> yep
[20:10] <knome> so - yeah - we could make this much easier indeed
[20:11] <knome> not sure we completely want to automate it all, since there's always wiggly stuff, but at least the download link listing...
[20:11] <flocculant> that said the eol date seems to be a moveable feast - nothing to stop us saying some date - as long as it's not after the date -release say
[20:12] <flocculant> yea - that is what stopped me doing more than I did :)
[20:12] <knome> sure, that's totally in our control in both the actual support and on the website
[20:12] <knome> it's just a field to enter into the DB
[20:12] <flocculant> (plus didn't want to screw the page up)
[20:12] <knome> that's ok
[20:12] <flocculant> yea - nothing wrong with us fixing 9 months as 9 months imo
[20:13] <flocculant> not 9 months and a week cos someone hasn't done something outside 
[20:13] <knome> lol
[20:13] <flocculant> you know the discussions that happen in u-release :)
[20:13] <knome> yeah
[20:14] <flocculant> and they would NOT make it 8 months and 3 weeks I'm sure
[20:14] <knome> otoh, one thing why we might want to align is if there are any problems with upgrading before the EOL...
[20:14] <knome> but that's just completely unrelated to this all anyway, so... ;)
[20:14] <flocculant> yea :)
[20:15] <flocculant> knome: oh yea - a thing I discovered with the Releases side bit
[20:15] <knome> yep?
[20:15] <flocculant> it has Show EOL releases - which does - but you can't unshow them
[20:15] <knome> in admin?
[20:16] <flocculant> well - refreshing does 
[20:16] <knome> yeah, it's designed to be like that
[20:16] <flocculant> no - I mean looking at the website
[20:16] <knome> i mean, who cares if they are open already...
[20:16] <knome> :)
[20:16] <flocculant> oh 
[20:17] <knome> you usually don't want to see them anyway
[20:17] <knome> so they are hidden
[20:17] <flocculant> that didn't happen last time I'm sure - I was looking for old release note with <includes>
[20:17] <knome> but in case you do, we offer them to you
[20:17] <flocculant> seems that if you then go *there* list goes back to current
[20:17] <knome> any refresh resets
[20:18] <flocculant> yea I guess so - people like me would be odd cases :P
[20:18] <knome> yep
[20:18] <flocculant> wth you would want to look at 2012 stuff for ... 
[20:18] <knome> ;))
[20:18] <knome> this could be a cookie option - but then we'd have to tell people we are using cookies
[20:18] <knome> so meh
[20:18] <flocculant> yea meh
[20:18] <knome> or sth
[20:19] <knome> and as we both said, people don't usually want to even look at those
[20:19] <flocculant> yup
[20:20] <flocculant> mostly mentioned it just in case :)
[20:20] <knome> yup
[20:30]  * flocculant is looking forward to 'is it out yet' in October - I can join in with them :D
[20:31] <flocculant> thanks for everything over the last few cycles people - time for me to rest now :)
[20:31] <knome> o/
[20:31] <knome> you've deserved it
[20:33] <flocculant> :)
[22:20] <bluesabre> evening all
[22:21] <Unit193> Howdy.
[22:21] <knome> dy.
[22:22] <nairwolf> hi
[22:23] <bluesabre> hey Unit193, knome, nairwolf 
[22:23] <bluesabre> knome, feel better
[22:24] <knome> feel, yes, look, no
[22:24] <bluesabre> good enough :)
[22:25] <knome> yeah, fortunately the awful throat sores are off
[23:05] <nairwolf> gnome-software doesn't have 'GIMP' inside, did you know that ? 
[23:05] <nairwolf> Apparently, the problem is since 16.04
[23:06] <Unit193> Synaptic does. :>
[23:06] <nairwolf> as I never use gnome-software, I hadn't noticed that
[23:06] <nairwolf> Yes synaptic does
[23:06] <nairwolf> I don't see this bug at launchpad.
[23:06] <knome> well neither of them has GIMP "inside", they are not *that* bloated software... yet
[23:06] <nairwolf> gnome-software is a shame...
[23:06] <Unit193> I'm not sure who in the Xubu team actually uses it either, if anyone.
[23:07] <knome> <- apt(-get)
[23:07] <nairwolf> knome, sorry for my english. How should I say that ? 
[23:07] <Unit193> nairwolf: s/ame/am/ ;P
[23:07] <knome> i'm just kidding.
[23:08] <nairwolf> :p
[23:08] <nairwolf> I can't imagine gimp dev be satisfied with this situation...
[23:11] <nairwolf> I can't imagine this bug not reported yet...
[23:12] <nairwolf> I only see this bug from pleia2 : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1553629
[23:12] <nairwolf> Tomorrow, I'll try to find someone for this bug. 
[23:13] <knome> bug 1567883
[23:15] <nairwolf> thank you knome
[23:16] <knome> btw, google "gimp gnome-software", this is the fifth result for me
[23:18] <nairwolf> That's because I used the search bar of Launchpad
[23:18] <nairwolf> if you search 'Gimp' at this page, you only find pleia2's bug
[23:18] <nairwolf> thank you btw
[23:19] <knome> yes, because this bug is marked "fix released", and those bugs are hidden by default
[23:22] <nairwolf> that's right ! 
[23:23] <nairwolf> Do you think it's better to open a new bug, in order to make the new bug visible by default ? 
[23:23] <nairwolf> oh, I can change status by myself apparently
[23:23] <nairwolf> oh, non...
[23:25] <knome> i'd confirm the bug with somebody first in any case
[23:27] <nairwolf> I'm not the one to have seen this bug
[23:27] <nairwolf> I've seen that from a french reviewer of 16.10
[23:27] <knome> and you can't confirm it?
[23:27] <nairwolf> I can confirm
[23:28] <nairwolf> I woudn't have talked about this bug if I couldn't confirm. 
[23:28] <nairwolf> I verified obviously