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codythedragondudis there a way to make the advanced menu or even the panel have a shutdown button without showing system plugin in the menu?05:29
ouroumov_codythedragondud, hi05:38
codythedragondudhey05:39
ouroumov_codythedragondud, the standard panel layout has a shutdown button, so yes05:39
codythedragondudyeah what im trying to do though is shrink down the advanced menu05:40
ouroumov_I'm not using that menu but presumably you should be able to remove sections of it in the menu editor?05:40
ouroumov_Then create a new shutdown panel button that issues the command mate-session-save --shutdown-dialog05:41
codythedragondudthere we go i made a custom application launcher thing which uses that when i click on it05:47
codythedragondudthanks05:47
ubuntu-matehi all08:59
ubuntu-mategoing to install Ubuntu Mate09:00
bittinUpdated to Yakkety at work now aswell :)09:02
=== MrBIOS_ is now known as MrBIOS
=== MrBIOS_ is now known as MrBIOS
bittinUpdating my Ubuntu MATE box too 16.10 now :)14:40
mate|39352Does 16.10 have support for retina/hidpi screens?14:41
bittinno idea i am on a crappy old HP 655 laptop14:42
mate|39352lol but i'm glad that mate works on crappy laptops -- i have an old asus from 5 years ago and mate still runs on it14:44
Akulii still don't see any reason to upgrade from 14.0414:50
Akuliit will be supported until 2019 and so far i've heard nothing good about 16.0414:50
alkisgIt's the first lts release that officially supports mate14:51
alkisgThat's the best reason :)14:51
Akulito stick with it or upgrade?14:52
alkisgTo stick with 16.0414:52
alkisg14.04 didn't support mate...14:52
Akuliwat?14:52
alkisgIn 14.04, ubuntu-mate was not an official ubuntu flavor14:52
Akulithey still made iso's14:53
Akuliso how does that matter?14:53
alkisgYou don't see any difference between official an unofficial builds?!14:53
alkisgFor example, the PPA was broken a couple of months ago; that wouldn't happen with SRUs14:53
Akulii really don't see any difference14:54
Akulippa's are awful anyway :)14:54
alkisgMaybe you're just a home user?14:54
alkisg14.04 is using PPAs14:54
Akuliyes14:54
Akuliand who cares?14:54
Akuliif that ppa would push an update on my system i wouldn't install it14:54
alkisgWell, some environments care if their systems are broken because of a ppa update14:55
Akuliso why would i update with ppa's?14:55
alkisgWould you know that it would break your system before installing it? How?14:55
alkisgAkuli, 14.04 comes *from* PPAs14:55
alkisgThat's what unofficial means14:55
Akulino, mate for 14.04 comes from a ppa14:55
alkisgIt doesn't come from the ubuntu repository14:55
alkisgYes, the whole DE14:55
alkisgWhich can easily break your system14:56
Akulimore like, mate for 14.04 came from a ppa when i installed it but i don't install updates from that ppa anymore14:56
frail_trevHow do I gain access to skygo?14:56
alkisgSo you don't have updates enabled for your DE? That's awful...14:56
Akulialkisg, based on what i've seen so far on ubuntu channels 16.04 is broken when  you just install it :)14:56
alkisgHow would you get security updates?14:56
Akulifrom ubuntu repositories of course14:56
alkisgNot really, mate 16.04 is more stable than mate 14.0414:57
Akulimy desktop environment doesn't need security updates14:57
Akulialkisg, systemd is stable?14:57
alkisgHaha14:57
alkisgIt doesn't contain code?!14:57
alkisgEverything that contains code needs security updates14:57
Akulino14:57
Akuliweb browsers are like that14:57
alkisgAnd in some cases, even non-code needs security updates14:57
Akulimy desktop environment is not a web browser14:57
alkisgI think you haven't read about any CVEs for DEs14:58
alkisgI think you should read a bit more14:58
Akuliwhy?14:58
Akulii don't need new versions of ubuntu with systemd14:58
alkisgBecause your arguments are wrong14:58
Akuliyou can install broken updates as much as you want :)14:58
alkisgI didn't mention systemd... I'm talking about the rest of your arguments14:58
Akuliwhy would my desktop needs updating?14:59
Akuliwhat's going to happen if i don't update it?14:59
alkisgYou could get hacked14:59
Akulino14:59
Akulimy desktop environment doesn't listen for incoming connections14:59
alkisgBut if you need explanation about how a DE can be hacked... I don't have time to persuade you14:59
lenovo_loverAnything internet connected should recieve updates.  If it's not on a public network, then running old code isn't a big deal.14:59
Akuliit's a desktop, not a web browser14:59
alkisgSo what?14:59
Akulii mean14:59
alkisgDo you think that only incoming ports can cause CVEs?15:00
Akulithere's just no way it gets "hacked" like boom :)15:00
Akuliit just has nothing to do with the internet15:00
lenovo_loverDrive by downloads?  SSL exploits?  etc15:00
Akulithey have nothing to do with updating my **desktop environment**15:01
Akulimy system in general yes, not the desktop15:01
alkisgAkuli, can you google for "cve gnome"?15:01
alkisgIf that doesn't convince you, I don't know how I could15:01
alkisgPeople can only see the truth if they want to. If they don't, you can't show it to them.15:02
Akuliyou are just hysteric :)15:02
alkisgCan you google it?15:02
Akulii need to go now15:02
alkisgHere's one: https://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?vulnId=CVE-2015-749615:03
ubottuGNOME Display Manager (gdm) before 3.18.2 allows physically proximate attackers to bypass the lock screen by holding the Escape key. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2015-7496)15:03
alkisgHow would you like me logging in to your pc by pressing esc?15:03
alkisgAnd don't tell me that you have security because you don't allow people close to your pc, because you can't give advice to others based on such ideas15:04
mate|39352okay this is annoying. i started the upgrade process for 16.10 and it's aborted on me twice right at the end. D: fixes?15:04
lenovo_loverIs Ubuntu-MATE 16.10 actually released or is it still in Beta?15:04
mate|39352it's released15:04
=== MrBIOS_ is now known as MrBIOS
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Akulialkisg, ew, gdm :) i don't use a login manager15:30
alkisgAkuli: so when you tell others to stick with 14.04, do you mean that they also shouldn't use one?15:31
Akuliubuntu mate comes with ligthdm by default :)15:31
alkisgI'm not judging the way you use your computers; but don't give bad advice to others15:31
alkisgAkuli: then google for cve lightdm15:31
Akuliif someone has a weird ubuntu 16.04-specific issue i will recommend moving to a stable release, but so far nobody has done that :)15:32
Akulialso, if someone has physical access to my computers and wants to do something bad it's game over anyway, i don't have encrypted partitions15:34
alkisgAkuli: you do know why "examples" are used, right?15:34
alkisgYou said that DEs don't have security issues, and google says they have thousands15:34
lenovo_lover16.04 is stable, I'm confused15:35
Akulilenovo_lover, not in my experience15:35
alkisgIf you find one way around one specific example, that doesn't mean that you don't have security issues15:35
Akulisome people have much better luck with it than i have, it's ok15:35
alkisgAkuli: btw, what were your issues with 16.04?15:35
Akulithe only time i tried it it failed to install the kerne15:35
Akulil15:35
Akulii mean15:35
Akulithe mini.iso failed to install the kernel? never happened to me before15:36
lenovo_lover16.04 was pretty flawless for me on a variety of laptops15:36
alkisgAnd you base your whole advice to users on one attempt to install it?15:36
Akuliof course not :)15:36
Akulipeople have managed to break their system to the point of reinstall when upgrading15:36
alkisgThat happened in 14.04 and in 12.04 and in 10.04 as well15:37
lenovo_loverI'm burning a 16.10 disk ATM to install on my X1 Yoga15:37
Akulimany bugs i see allow local users to do this or that15:40
Akulii'm the only user on my system anyway15:40
masnellAkuli: 23:40 <Akuli> i'm the only user on my system anyway ~ to the best of your knowledge15:51
masnell;)15:52
alkisgHaha15:53
sovereignentityI'm installing ubuntu mate on an sd card but it's id's as /dev/mmcblkOp2 is this why my install fails16:05
Akulii'd debootstrap it there first16:06
lenovo_loverI booted the live image of 16.10.  I noticed that the battery indicator icon isn't centered, and there is no shadow for the top panel with the default (or any compositor)16:07
Akulisovereignentity, this tutorial is for debian, the only thing that's different with ubuntu is the url's https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apds03.html.en16:07
sovereignentityAkuli, thanks16:08
Akuliit's an advanced thing though :) ubuntu is after all meant to be installed on a hard drive16:08
sovereignentitythis is the pi version16:10
Akulimaybe there's a better way to install it to an sd card16:11
Akulibecause as far as i know it's meant to be installed on an sd card16:11
alkisgsovereignentity: do you mean that you're unzipping the .xz image to the sd card?16:11
alkisgHow are you installing it?16:11
alkisgdd?16:12
sovereignentitygnome disk utility16:12
sovereignentityit's an iso16:12
masnellsovereignentity: img and iso files need to be imaged to the SD card. Can use dd or gnome disk16:12
Akulican't you just dd it?16:12
Akulidd if=/your/iso of=/dev/yourcard16:13
alkisgsovereignentity: where did you find an iso for the rpi?16:13
alkisgMaybe you're using the wrong image?16:13
sovereignentityhttps://ubuntu-mate.org/raspberry-pi/16:13
alkisgWhat is its filename, or what was the download URL?16:13
alkisgsovereignentity: there, it has this: https://ubuntu-mate.org/raspberry-pi/ubuntu-mate-16.04-desktop-armhf-raspberry-pi.img.xz16:14
alkisgThat is not an iso16:14
alkisgWhere did you get an iso?16:14
masnellSovereignentity after the download button there are instructions on how to copy the image over16:15
masnellThe partition will auto resize on 1st boot to fill the card if you concerned about that16:15
sovereignentityI'm sorry I did download the incorrect file16:15
alkisgCool, that's what I thought; get the correct one ;)16:16
sovereignentitythanks guys16:16
alkisgnp16:16
sovereignentityso it"s ok to use that id for the sdcard?16:29
Akuliif that's the only thing that appears in /dev when you plug in the card you have no other choices :)16:29
alkisgsovereignentity: what is the output of ls /dev/mmc*16:30
alkisgI think that what you said there, is the second partition, but all the partition table will be erased if you use dd on the whole card16:30
Akuliactually, echo works with that also :)16:32
Akulias in echo /dev/mmc*16:32
alkisgSure, but "ls" is more understandable by users giving feedback16:33
joao_Ubuntu mate cada vez melhor, parabéns.16:50
SpazzyCSorry, will there be a 16.10 version for the pi?  I'm itching to try out my new pi3.20:49
mate|65706Hello. How do I change the Firefox home page?21:13
mate|65706Whenever I change it back to https://start.ubuntu-mate.org/21:15
AdalwinHello!21:16
AdalwinDoes anybody know why the robot.txt file of gnome-look.org blocks me from entering the website?21:18
sannihi all21:37
sanniwhats the rules for posting a question , i have ppc system ubuntu 16.04 and broken desktop after upgrade from 15.1021:38
sannii am sure its video card setting was looking for someone who might be able to recommend a link or two .. everything i found is no working21:39
sanniany takers? lol21:39
sannii simply dont want to bork yaboot21:40
sannii have blank screen with cursor21:40
sanniin the corner21:40
Burn2hello.21:57
arnobhi22:26
sannihey sorry was on phone ,, kid sick i am here22:55

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