codythedragondud | is there a way to make the advanced menu or even the panel have a shutdown button without showing system plugin in the menu? | 05:29 |
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ouroumov_ | codythedragondud, hi | 05:38 |
codythedragondud | hey | 05:39 |
ouroumov_ | codythedragondud, the standard panel layout has a shutdown button, so yes | 05:39 |
codythedragondud | yeah what im trying to do though is shrink down the advanced menu | 05:40 |
ouroumov_ | I'm not using that menu but presumably you should be able to remove sections of it in the menu editor? | 05:40 |
ouroumov_ | Then create a new shutdown panel button that issues the command mate-session-save --shutdown-dialog | 05:41 |
codythedragondud | there we go i made a custom application launcher thing which uses that when i click on it | 05:47 |
codythedragondud | thanks | 05:47 |
ubuntu-mate | hi all | 08:59 |
ubuntu-mate | going to install Ubuntu Mate | 09:00 |
bittin | Updated to Yakkety at work now aswell :) | 09:02 |
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bittin | Updating my Ubuntu MATE box too 16.10 now :) | 14:40 |
mate|39352 | Does 16.10 have support for retina/hidpi screens? | 14:41 |
bittin | no idea i am on a crappy old HP 655 laptop | 14:42 |
mate|39352 | lol but i'm glad that mate works on crappy laptops -- i have an old asus from 5 years ago and mate still runs on it | 14:44 |
Akuli | i still don't see any reason to upgrade from 14.04 | 14:50 |
Akuli | it will be supported until 2019 and so far i've heard nothing good about 16.04 | 14:50 |
alkisg | It's the first lts release that officially supports mate | 14:51 |
alkisg | That's the best reason :) | 14:51 |
Akuli | to stick with it or upgrade? | 14:52 |
alkisg | To stick with 16.04 | 14:52 |
alkisg | 14.04 didn't support mate... | 14:52 |
Akuli | wat? | 14:52 |
alkisg | In 14.04, ubuntu-mate was not an official ubuntu flavor | 14:52 |
Akuli | they still made iso's | 14:53 |
Akuli | so how does that matter? | 14:53 |
alkisg | You don't see any difference between official an unofficial builds?! | 14:53 |
alkisg | For example, the PPA was broken a couple of months ago; that wouldn't happen with SRUs | 14:53 |
Akuli | i really don't see any difference | 14:54 |
Akuli | ppa's are awful anyway :) | 14:54 |
alkisg | Maybe you're just a home user? | 14:54 |
alkisg | 14.04 is using PPAs | 14:54 |
Akuli | yes | 14:54 |
Akuli | and who cares? | 14:54 |
Akuli | if that ppa would push an update on my system i wouldn't install it | 14:54 |
alkisg | Well, some environments care if their systems are broken because of a ppa update | 14:55 |
Akuli | so why would i update with ppa's? | 14:55 |
alkisg | Would you know that it would break your system before installing it? How? | 14:55 |
alkisg | Akuli, 14.04 comes *from* PPAs | 14:55 |
alkisg | That's what unofficial means | 14:55 |
Akuli | no, mate for 14.04 comes from a ppa | 14:55 |
alkisg | It doesn't come from the ubuntu repository | 14:55 |
alkisg | Yes, the whole DE | 14:55 |
alkisg | Which can easily break your system | 14:56 |
Akuli | more like, mate for 14.04 came from a ppa when i installed it but i don't install updates from that ppa anymore | 14:56 |
frail_trev | How do I gain access to skygo? | 14:56 |
alkisg | So you don't have updates enabled for your DE? That's awful... | 14:56 |
Akuli | alkisg, based on what i've seen so far on ubuntu channels 16.04 is broken when you just install it :) | 14:56 |
alkisg | How would you get security updates? | 14:56 |
Akuli | from ubuntu repositories of course | 14:56 |
alkisg | Not really, mate 16.04 is more stable than mate 14.04 | 14:57 |
Akuli | my desktop environment doesn't need security updates | 14:57 |
Akuli | alkisg, systemd is stable? | 14:57 |
alkisg | Haha | 14:57 |
alkisg | It doesn't contain code?! | 14:57 |
alkisg | Everything that contains code needs security updates | 14:57 |
Akuli | no | 14:57 |
Akuli | web browsers are like that | 14:57 |
alkisg | And in some cases, even non-code needs security updates | 14:57 |
Akuli | my desktop environment is not a web browser | 14:57 |
alkisg | I think you haven't read about any CVEs for DEs | 14:58 |
alkisg | I think you should read a bit more | 14:58 |
Akuli | why? | 14:58 |
Akuli | i don't need new versions of ubuntu with systemd | 14:58 |
alkisg | Because your arguments are wrong | 14:58 |
Akuli | you can install broken updates as much as you want :) | 14:58 |
alkisg | I didn't mention systemd... I'm talking about the rest of your arguments | 14:58 |
Akuli | why would my desktop needs updating? | 14:59 |
Akuli | what's going to happen if i don't update it? | 14:59 |
alkisg | You could get hacked | 14:59 |
Akuli | no | 14:59 |
Akuli | my desktop environment doesn't listen for incoming connections | 14:59 |
alkisg | But if you need explanation about how a DE can be hacked... I don't have time to persuade you | 14:59 |
lenovo_lover | Anything internet connected should recieve updates. If it's not on a public network, then running old code isn't a big deal. | 14:59 |
Akuli | it's a desktop, not a web browser | 14:59 |
alkisg | So what? | 14:59 |
Akuli | i mean | 14:59 |
alkisg | Do you think that only incoming ports can cause CVEs? | 15:00 |
Akuli | there's just no way it gets "hacked" like boom :) | 15:00 |
Akuli | it just has nothing to do with the internet | 15:00 |
lenovo_lover | Drive by downloads? SSL exploits? etc | 15:00 |
Akuli | they have nothing to do with updating my **desktop environment** | 15:01 |
Akuli | my system in general yes, not the desktop | 15:01 |
alkisg | Akuli, can you google for "cve gnome"? | 15:01 |
alkisg | If that doesn't convince you, I don't know how I could | 15:01 |
alkisg | People can only see the truth if they want to. If they don't, you can't show it to them. | 15:02 |
Akuli | you are just hysteric :) | 15:02 |
alkisg | Can you google it? | 15:02 |
Akuli | i need to go now | 15:02 |
alkisg | Here's one: https://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?vulnId=CVE-2015-7496 | 15:03 |
ubottu | GNOME Display Manager (gdm) before 3.18.2 allows physically proximate attackers to bypass the lock screen by holding the Escape key. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2015-7496) | 15:03 |
alkisg | How would you like me logging in to your pc by pressing esc? | 15:03 |
alkisg | And don't tell me that you have security because you don't allow people close to your pc, because you can't give advice to others based on such ideas | 15:04 |
mate|39352 | okay this is annoying. i started the upgrade process for 16.10 and it's aborted on me twice right at the end. D: fixes? | 15:04 |
lenovo_lover | Is Ubuntu-MATE 16.10 actually released or is it still in Beta? | 15:04 |
mate|39352 | it's released | 15:04 |
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Akuli | alkisg, ew, gdm :) i don't use a login manager | 15:30 |
alkisg | Akuli: so when you tell others to stick with 14.04, do you mean that they also shouldn't use one? | 15:31 |
Akuli | ubuntu mate comes with ligthdm by default :) | 15:31 |
alkisg | I'm not judging the way you use your computers; but don't give bad advice to others | 15:31 |
alkisg | Akuli: then google for cve lightdm | 15:31 |
Akuli | if someone has a weird ubuntu 16.04-specific issue i will recommend moving to a stable release, but so far nobody has done that :) | 15:32 |
Akuli | also, if someone has physical access to my computers and wants to do something bad it's game over anyway, i don't have encrypted partitions | 15:34 |
alkisg | Akuli: you do know why "examples" are used, right? | 15:34 |
alkisg | You said that DEs don't have security issues, and google says they have thousands | 15:34 |
lenovo_lover | 16.04 is stable, I'm confused | 15:35 |
Akuli | lenovo_lover, not in my experience | 15:35 |
alkisg | If you find one way around one specific example, that doesn't mean that you don't have security issues | 15:35 |
Akuli | some people have much better luck with it than i have, it's ok | 15:35 |
alkisg | Akuli: btw, what were your issues with 16.04? | 15:35 |
Akuli | the only time i tried it it failed to install the kerne | 15:35 |
Akuli | l | 15:35 |
Akuli | i mean | 15:35 |
Akuli | the mini.iso failed to install the kernel? never happened to me before | 15:36 |
lenovo_lover | 16.04 was pretty flawless for me on a variety of laptops | 15:36 |
alkisg | And you base your whole advice to users on one attempt to install it? | 15:36 |
Akuli | of course not :) | 15:36 |
Akuli | people have managed to break their system to the point of reinstall when upgrading | 15:36 |
alkisg | That happened in 14.04 and in 12.04 and in 10.04 as well | 15:37 |
lenovo_lover | I'm burning a 16.10 disk ATM to install on my X1 Yoga | 15:37 |
Akuli | many bugs i see allow local users to do this or that | 15:40 |
Akuli | i'm the only user on my system anyway | 15:40 |
masnell | Akuli: 23:40 <Akuli> i'm the only user on my system anyway ~ to the best of your knowledge | 15:51 |
masnell | ;) | 15:52 |
alkisg | Haha | 15:53 |
sovereignentity | I'm installing ubuntu mate on an sd card but it's id's as /dev/mmcblkOp2 is this why my install fails | 16:05 |
Akuli | i'd debootstrap it there first | 16:06 |
lenovo_lover | I booted the live image of 16.10. I noticed that the battery indicator icon isn't centered, and there is no shadow for the top panel with the default (or any compositor) | 16:07 |
Akuli | sovereignentity, this tutorial is for debian, the only thing that's different with ubuntu is the url's https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apds03.html.en | 16:07 |
sovereignentity | Akuli, thanks | 16:08 |
Akuli | it's an advanced thing though :) ubuntu is after all meant to be installed on a hard drive | 16:08 |
sovereignentity | this is the pi version | 16:10 |
Akuli | maybe there's a better way to install it to an sd card | 16:11 |
Akuli | because as far as i know it's meant to be installed on an sd card | 16:11 |
alkisg | sovereignentity: do you mean that you're unzipping the .xz image to the sd card? | 16:11 |
alkisg | How are you installing it? | 16:11 |
alkisg | dd? | 16:12 |
sovereignentity | gnome disk utility | 16:12 |
sovereignentity | it's an iso | 16:12 |
masnell | sovereignentity: img and iso files need to be imaged to the SD card. Can use dd or gnome disk | 16:12 |
Akuli | can't you just dd it? | 16:12 |
Akuli | dd if=/your/iso of=/dev/yourcard | 16:13 |
alkisg | sovereignentity: where did you find an iso for the rpi? | 16:13 |
alkisg | Maybe you're using the wrong image? | 16:13 |
sovereignentity | https://ubuntu-mate.org/raspberry-pi/ | 16:13 |
alkisg | What is its filename, or what was the download URL? | 16:13 |
alkisg | sovereignentity: there, it has this: https://ubuntu-mate.org/raspberry-pi/ubuntu-mate-16.04-desktop-armhf-raspberry-pi.img.xz | 16:14 |
alkisg | That is not an iso | 16:14 |
alkisg | Where did you get an iso? | 16:14 |
masnell | Sovereignentity after the download button there are instructions on how to copy the image over | 16:15 |
masnell | The partition will auto resize on 1st boot to fill the card if you concerned about that | 16:15 |
sovereignentity | I'm sorry I did download the incorrect file | 16:15 |
alkisg | Cool, that's what I thought; get the correct one ;) | 16:16 |
sovereignentity | thanks guys | 16:16 |
alkisg | np | 16:16 |
sovereignentity | so it"s ok to use that id for the sdcard? | 16:29 |
Akuli | if that's the only thing that appears in /dev when you plug in the card you have no other choices :) | 16:29 |
alkisg | sovereignentity: what is the output of ls /dev/mmc* | 16:30 |
alkisg | I think that what you said there, is the second partition, but all the partition table will be erased if you use dd on the whole card | 16:30 |
Akuli | actually, echo works with that also :) | 16:32 |
Akuli | as in echo /dev/mmc* | 16:32 |
alkisg | Sure, but "ls" is more understandable by users giving feedback | 16:33 |
joao_ | Ubuntu mate cada vez melhor, parabéns. | 16:50 |
SpazzyC | Sorry, will there be a 16.10 version for the pi? I'm itching to try out my new pi3. | 20:49 |
mate|65706 | Hello. How do I change the Firefox home page? | 21:13 |
mate|65706 | Whenever I change it back to https://start.ubuntu-mate.org/ | 21:15 |
Adalwin | Hello! | 21:16 |
Adalwin | Does anybody know why the robot.txt file of gnome-look.org blocks me from entering the website? | 21:18 |
sanni | hi all | 21:37 |
sanni | whats the rules for posting a question , i have ppc system ubuntu 16.04 and broken desktop after upgrade from 15.10 | 21:38 |
sanni | i am sure its video card setting was looking for someone who might be able to recommend a link or two .. everything i found is no working | 21:39 |
sanni | any takers? lol | 21:39 |
sanni | i simply dont want to bork yaboot | 21:40 |
sanni | i have blank screen with cursor | 21:40 |
sanni | in the corner | 21:40 |
Burn2 | hello. | 21:57 |
arnob | hi | 22:26 |
sanni | hey sorry was on phone ,, kid sick i am here | 22:55 |
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