[05:29] <codythedragondud> is there a way to make the advanced menu or even the panel have a shutdown button without showing system plugin in the menu?
[05:38] <ouroumov_> codythedragondud, hi
[05:39] <codythedragondud> hey
[05:39] <ouroumov_> codythedragondud, the standard panel layout has a shutdown button, so yes
[05:40] <codythedragondud> yeah what im trying to do though is shrink down the advanced menu
[05:40] <ouroumov_> I'm not using that menu but presumably you should be able to remove sections of it in the menu editor?
[05:41] <ouroumov_> Then create a new shutdown panel button that issues the command mate-session-save --shutdown-dialog
[05:47] <codythedragondud> there we go i made a custom application launcher thing which uses that when i click on it
[05:47] <codythedragondud> thanks
[08:59] <ubuntu-mate> hi all
[09:00] <ubuntu-mate> going to install Ubuntu Mate
[09:02] <bittin> Updated to Yakkety at work now aswell :)
[14:40] <bittin> Updating my Ubuntu MATE box too 16.10 now :)
[14:41] <mate|39352> Does 16.10 have support for retina/hidpi screens?
[14:42] <bittin> no idea i am on a crappy old HP 655 laptop
[14:44] <mate|39352> lol but i'm glad that mate works on crappy laptops -- i have an old asus from 5 years ago and mate still runs on it
[14:50] <Akuli> i still don't see any reason to upgrade from 14.04
[14:50] <Akuli> it will be supported until 2019 and so far i've heard nothing good about 16.04
[14:51] <alkisg> It's the first lts release that officially supports mate
[14:51] <alkisg> That's the best reason :)
[14:52] <Akuli> to stick with it or upgrade?
[14:52] <alkisg> To stick with 16.04
[14:52] <alkisg> 14.04 didn't support mate...
[14:52] <Akuli> wat?
[14:52] <alkisg> In 14.04, ubuntu-mate was not an official ubuntu flavor
[14:53] <Akuli> they still made iso's
[14:53] <Akuli> so how does that matter?
[14:53] <alkisg> You don't see any difference between official an unofficial builds?!
[14:53] <alkisg> For example, the PPA was broken a couple of months ago; that wouldn't happen with SRUs
[14:54] <Akuli> i really don't see any difference
[14:54] <Akuli> ppa's are awful anyway :)
[14:54] <alkisg> Maybe you're just a home user?
[14:54] <alkisg> 14.04 is using PPAs
[14:54] <Akuli> yes
[14:54] <Akuli> and who cares?
[14:54] <Akuli> if that ppa would push an update on my system i wouldn't install it
[14:55] <alkisg> Well, some environments care if their systems are broken because of a ppa update
[14:55] <Akuli> so why would i update with ppa's?
[14:55] <alkisg> Would you know that it would break your system before installing it? How?
[14:55] <alkisg> Akuli, 14.04 comes *from* PPAs
[14:55] <alkisg> That's what unofficial means
[14:55] <Akuli> no, mate for 14.04 comes from a ppa
[14:55] <alkisg> It doesn't come from the ubuntu repository
[14:55] <alkisg> Yes, the whole DE
[14:56] <alkisg> Which can easily break your system
[14:56] <Akuli> more like, mate for 14.04 came from a ppa when i installed it but i don't install updates from that ppa anymore
[14:56] <frail_trev> How do I gain access to skygo?
[14:56] <alkisg> So you don't have updates enabled for your DE? That's awful...
[14:56] <Akuli> alkisg, based on what i've seen so far on ubuntu channels 16.04 is broken when  you just install it :)
[14:56] <alkisg> How would you get security updates?
[14:56] <Akuli> from ubuntu repositories of course
[14:57] <alkisg> Not really, mate 16.04 is more stable than mate 14.04
[14:57] <Akuli> my desktop environment doesn't need security updates
[14:57] <Akuli> alkisg, systemd is stable?
[14:57] <alkisg> Haha
[14:57] <alkisg> It doesn't contain code?!
[14:57] <alkisg> Everything that contains code needs security updates
[14:57] <Akuli> no
[14:57] <Akuli> web browsers are like that
[14:57] <alkisg> And in some cases, even non-code needs security updates
[14:57] <Akuli> my desktop environment is not a web browser
[14:58] <alkisg> I think you haven't read about any CVEs for DEs
[14:58] <alkisg> I think you should read a bit more
[14:58] <Akuli> why?
[14:58] <Akuli> i don't need new versions of ubuntu with systemd
[14:58] <alkisg> Because your arguments are wrong
[14:58] <Akuli> you can install broken updates as much as you want :)
[14:58] <alkisg> I didn't mention systemd... I'm talking about the rest of your arguments
[14:59] <Akuli> why would my desktop needs updating?
[14:59] <Akuli> what's going to happen if i don't update it?
[14:59] <alkisg> You could get hacked
[14:59] <Akuli> no
[14:59] <Akuli> my desktop environment doesn't listen for incoming connections
[14:59] <alkisg> But if you need explanation about how a DE can be hacked... I don't have time to persuade you
[14:59] <lenovo_lover> Anything internet connected should recieve updates.  If it's not on a public network, then running old code isn't a big deal.
[14:59] <Akuli> it's a desktop, not a web browser
[14:59] <alkisg> So what?
[14:59] <Akuli> i mean
[15:00] <alkisg> Do you think that only incoming ports can cause CVEs?
[15:00] <Akuli> there's just no way it gets "hacked" like boom :)
[15:00] <Akuli> it just has nothing to do with the internet
[15:00] <lenovo_lover> Drive by downloads?  SSL exploits?  etc
[15:01] <Akuli> they have nothing to do with updating my **desktop environment**
[15:01] <Akuli> my system in general yes, not the desktop
[15:01] <alkisg> Akuli, can you google for "cve gnome"?
[15:01] <alkisg> If that doesn't convince you, I don't know how I could
[15:02] <alkisg> People can only see the truth if they want to. If they don't, you can't show it to them.
[15:02] <Akuli> you are just hysteric :)
[15:02] <alkisg> Can you google it?
[15:02] <Akuli> i need to go now
[15:03] <alkisg> Here's one: https://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?vulnId=CVE-2015-7496
[15:03] <alkisg> How would you like me logging in to your pc by pressing esc?
[15:04] <alkisg> And don't tell me that you have security because you don't allow people close to your pc, because you can't give advice to others based on such ideas
[15:04] <mate|39352> okay this is annoying. i started the upgrade process for 16.10 and it's aborted on me twice right at the end. D: fixes?
[15:04] <lenovo_lover> Is Ubuntu-MATE 16.10 actually released or is it still in Beta?
[15:04] <mate|39352> it's released
[15:30] <Akuli> alkisg, ew, gdm :) i don't use a login manager
[15:31] <alkisg> Akuli: so when you tell others to stick with 14.04, do you mean that they also shouldn't use one?
[15:31] <Akuli> ubuntu mate comes with ligthdm by default :)
[15:31] <alkisg> I'm not judging the way you use your computers; but don't give bad advice to others
[15:31] <alkisg> Akuli: then google for cve lightdm
[15:32] <Akuli> if someone has a weird ubuntu 16.04-specific issue i will recommend moving to a stable release, but so far nobody has done that :)
[15:34] <Akuli> also, if someone has physical access to my computers and wants to do something bad it's game over anyway, i don't have encrypted partitions
[15:34] <alkisg> Akuli: you do know why "examples" are used, right?
[15:34] <alkisg> You said that DEs don't have security issues, and google says they have thousands
[15:35] <lenovo_lover> 16.04 is stable, I'm confused
[15:35] <Akuli> lenovo_lover, not in my experience
[15:35] <alkisg> If you find one way around one specific example, that doesn't mean that you don't have security issues
[15:35] <Akuli> some people have much better luck with it than i have, it's ok
[15:35] <alkisg> Akuli: btw, what were your issues with 16.04?
[15:35] <Akuli> the only time i tried it it failed to install the kerne
[15:35] <Akuli> l
[15:35] <Akuli> i mean
[15:36] <Akuli> the mini.iso failed to install the kernel? never happened to me before
[15:36] <lenovo_lover> 16.04 was pretty flawless for me on a variety of laptops
[15:36] <alkisg> And you base your whole advice to users on one attempt to install it?
[15:36] <Akuli> of course not :)
[15:36] <Akuli> people have managed to break their system to the point of reinstall when upgrading
[15:37] <alkisg> That happened in 14.04 and in 12.04 and in 10.04 as well
[15:37] <lenovo_lover> I'm burning a 16.10 disk ATM to install on my X1 Yoga
[15:40] <Akuli> many bugs i see allow local users to do this or that
[15:40] <Akuli> i'm the only user on my system anyway
[15:51] <masnell> Akuli: 23:40 <Akuli> i'm the only user on my system anyway ~ to the best of your knowledge
[15:52] <masnell> ;)
[15:53] <alkisg> Haha
[16:05] <sovereignentity> I'm installing ubuntu mate on an sd card but it's id's as /dev/mmcblkOp2 is this why my install fails
[16:06] <Akuli> i'd debootstrap it there first
[16:07] <lenovo_lover> I booted the live image of 16.10.  I noticed that the battery indicator icon isn't centered, and there is no shadow for the top panel with the default (or any compositor)
[16:07] <Akuli> sovereignentity, this tutorial is for debian, the only thing that's different with ubuntu is the url's https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apds03.html.en
[16:08] <sovereignentity> Akuli, thanks
[16:08] <Akuli> it's an advanced thing though :) ubuntu is after all meant to be installed on a hard drive
[16:10] <sovereignentity> this is the pi version
[16:11] <Akuli> maybe there's a better way to install it to an sd card
[16:11] <Akuli> because as far as i know it's meant to be installed on an sd card
[16:11] <alkisg> sovereignentity: do you mean that you're unzipping the .xz image to the sd card?
[16:11] <alkisg> How are you installing it?
[16:12] <alkisg> dd?
[16:12] <sovereignentity> gnome disk utility
[16:12] <sovereignentity> it's an iso
[16:12] <masnell> sovereignentity: img and iso files need to be imaged to the SD card. Can use dd or gnome disk
[16:12] <Akuli> can't you just dd it?
[16:13] <Akuli> dd if=/your/iso of=/dev/yourcard
[16:13] <alkisg> sovereignentity: where did you find an iso for the rpi?
[16:13] <alkisg> Maybe you're using the wrong image?
[16:13] <sovereignentity> https://ubuntu-mate.org/raspberry-pi/
[16:13] <alkisg> What is its filename, or what was the download URL?
[16:14] <alkisg> sovereignentity: there, it has this: https://ubuntu-mate.org/raspberry-pi/ubuntu-mate-16.04-desktop-armhf-raspberry-pi.img.xz
[16:14] <alkisg> That is not an iso
[16:14] <alkisg> Where did you get an iso?
[16:15] <masnell> Sovereignentity after the download button there are instructions on how to copy the image over
[16:15] <masnell> The partition will auto resize on 1st boot to fill the card if you concerned about that
[16:15] <sovereignentity> I'm sorry I did download the incorrect file
[16:16] <alkisg> Cool, that's what I thought; get the correct one ;)
[16:16] <sovereignentity> thanks guys
[16:16] <alkisg> np
[16:29] <sovereignentity> so it"s ok to use that id for the sdcard?
[16:29] <Akuli> if that's the only thing that appears in /dev when you plug in the card you have no other choices :)
[16:30] <alkisg> sovereignentity: what is the output of ls /dev/mmc*
[16:30] <alkisg> I think that what you said there, is the second partition, but all the partition table will be erased if you use dd on the whole card
[16:32] <Akuli> actually, echo works with that also :)
[16:32] <Akuli> as in echo /dev/mmc*
[16:33] <alkisg> Sure, but "ls" is more understandable by users giving feedback
[16:50] <joao_> Ubuntu mate cada vez melhor, parabéns.
[20:49] <SpazzyC> Sorry, will there be a 16.10 version for the pi?  I'm itching to try out my new pi3.
[21:13] <mate|65706> Hello. How do I change the Firefox home page?
[21:15] <mate|65706> Whenever I change it back to https://start.ubuntu-mate.org/
[21:16] <Adalwin> Hello!
[21:18] <Adalwin> Does anybody know why the robot.txt file of gnome-look.org blocks me from entering the website?
[21:37] <sanni> hi all
[21:38] <sanni> whats the rules for posting a question , i have ppc system ubuntu 16.04 and broken desktop after upgrade from 15.10
[21:39] <sanni> i am sure its video card setting was looking for someone who might be able to recommend a link or two .. everything i found is no working
[21:39] <sanni> any takers? lol
[21:40] <sanni> i simply dont want to bork yaboot
[21:40] <sanni> i have blank screen with cursor
[21:40] <sanni> in the corner
[21:57] <Burn2> hello.
[22:26] <arnob> hi
[22:55] <sanni> hey sorry was on phone ,, kid sick i am here