[05:29] is there a way to make the advanced menu or even the panel have a shutdown button without showing system plugin in the menu? [05:38] codythedragondud, hi [05:39] hey [05:39] codythedragondud, the standard panel layout has a shutdown button, so yes [05:40] yeah what im trying to do though is shrink down the advanced menu [05:40] I'm not using that menu but presumably you should be able to remove sections of it in the menu editor? [05:41] Then create a new shutdown panel button that issues the command mate-session-save --shutdown-dialog [05:47] there we go i made a custom application launcher thing which uses that when i click on it [05:47] thanks [08:59] hi all [09:00] going to install Ubuntu Mate [09:02] Updated to Yakkety at work now aswell :) === MrBIOS_ is now known as MrBIOS === MrBIOS_ is now known as MrBIOS [14:40] Updating my Ubuntu MATE box too 16.10 now :) [14:41] Does 16.10 have support for retina/hidpi screens? [14:42] no idea i am on a crappy old HP 655 laptop [14:44] lol but i'm glad that mate works on crappy laptops -- i have an old asus from 5 years ago and mate still runs on it [14:50] i still don't see any reason to upgrade from 14.04 [14:50] it will be supported until 2019 and so far i've heard nothing good about 16.04 [14:51] It's the first lts release that officially supports mate [14:51] That's the best reason :) [14:52] to stick with it or upgrade? [14:52] To stick with 16.04 [14:52] 14.04 didn't support mate... [14:52] wat? [14:52] In 14.04, ubuntu-mate was not an official ubuntu flavor [14:53] they still made iso's [14:53] so how does that matter? [14:53] You don't see any difference between official an unofficial builds?! [14:53] For example, the PPA was broken a couple of months ago; that wouldn't happen with SRUs [14:54] i really don't see any difference [14:54] ppa's are awful anyway :) [14:54] Maybe you're just a home user? [14:54] 14.04 is using PPAs [14:54] yes [14:54] and who cares? [14:54] if that ppa would push an update on my system i wouldn't install it [14:55] Well, some environments care if their systems are broken because of a ppa update [14:55] so why would i update with ppa's? [14:55] Would you know that it would break your system before installing it? How? [14:55] Akuli, 14.04 comes *from* PPAs [14:55] That's what unofficial means [14:55] no, mate for 14.04 comes from a ppa [14:55] It doesn't come from the ubuntu repository [14:55] Yes, the whole DE [14:56] Which can easily break your system [14:56] more like, mate for 14.04 came from a ppa when i installed it but i don't install updates from that ppa anymore [14:56] How do I gain access to skygo? [14:56] So you don't have updates enabled for your DE? That's awful... [14:56] alkisg, based on what i've seen so far on ubuntu channels 16.04 is broken when you just install it :) [14:56] How would you get security updates? [14:56] from ubuntu repositories of course [14:57] Not really, mate 16.04 is more stable than mate 14.04 [14:57] my desktop environment doesn't need security updates [14:57] alkisg, systemd is stable? [14:57] Haha [14:57] It doesn't contain code?! [14:57] Everything that contains code needs security updates [14:57] no [14:57] web browsers are like that [14:57] And in some cases, even non-code needs security updates [14:57] my desktop environment is not a web browser [14:58] I think you haven't read about any CVEs for DEs [14:58] I think you should read a bit more [14:58] why? [14:58] i don't need new versions of ubuntu with systemd [14:58] Because your arguments are wrong [14:58] you can install broken updates as much as you want :) [14:58] I didn't mention systemd... I'm talking about the rest of your arguments [14:59] why would my desktop needs updating? [14:59] what's going to happen if i don't update it? [14:59] You could get hacked [14:59] no [14:59] my desktop environment doesn't listen for incoming connections [14:59] But if you need explanation about how a DE can be hacked... I don't have time to persuade you [14:59] Anything internet connected should recieve updates. If it's not on a public network, then running old code isn't a big deal. [14:59] it's a desktop, not a web browser [14:59] So what? [14:59] i mean [15:00] Do you think that only incoming ports can cause CVEs? [15:00] there's just no way it gets "hacked" like boom :) [15:00] it just has nothing to do with the internet [15:00] Drive by downloads? SSL exploits? etc [15:01] they have nothing to do with updating my **desktop environment** [15:01] my system in general yes, not the desktop [15:01] Akuli, can you google for "cve gnome"? [15:01] If that doesn't convince you, I don't know how I could [15:02] People can only see the truth if they want to. If they don't, you can't show it to them. [15:02] you are just hysteric :) [15:02] Can you google it? [15:02] i need to go now [15:03] Here's one: https://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?vulnId=CVE-2015-7496 [15:03] GNOME Display Manager (gdm) before 3.18.2 allows physically proximate attackers to bypass the lock screen by holding the Escape key. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2015-7496) [15:03] How would you like me logging in to your pc by pressing esc? [15:04] And don't tell me that you have security because you don't allow people close to your pc, because you can't give advice to others based on such ideas [15:04] okay this is annoying. i started the upgrade process for 16.10 and it's aborted on me twice right at the end. D: fixes? [15:04] Is Ubuntu-MATE 16.10 actually released or is it still in Beta? [15:04] it's released === MrBIOS_ is now known as MrBIOS === MrBIOS_ is now known as MrBIOS [15:30] alkisg, ew, gdm :) i don't use a login manager [15:31] Akuli: so when you tell others to stick with 14.04, do you mean that they also shouldn't use one? [15:31] ubuntu mate comes with ligthdm by default :) [15:31] I'm not judging the way you use your computers; but don't give bad advice to others [15:31] Akuli: then google for cve lightdm [15:32] if someone has a weird ubuntu 16.04-specific issue i will recommend moving to a stable release, but so far nobody has done that :) [15:34] also, if someone has physical access to my computers and wants to do something bad it's game over anyway, i don't have encrypted partitions [15:34] Akuli: you do know why "examples" are used, right? [15:34] You said that DEs don't have security issues, and google says they have thousands [15:35] 16.04 is stable, I'm confused [15:35] lenovo_lover, not in my experience [15:35] If you find one way around one specific example, that doesn't mean that you don't have security issues [15:35] some people have much better luck with it than i have, it's ok [15:35] Akuli: btw, what were your issues with 16.04? [15:35] the only time i tried it it failed to install the kerne [15:35] l [15:35] i mean [15:36] the mini.iso failed to install the kernel? never happened to me before [15:36] 16.04 was pretty flawless for me on a variety of laptops [15:36] And you base your whole advice to users on one attempt to install it? [15:36] of course not :) [15:36] people have managed to break their system to the point of reinstall when upgrading [15:37] That happened in 14.04 and in 12.04 and in 10.04 as well [15:37] I'm burning a 16.10 disk ATM to install on my X1 Yoga [15:40] many bugs i see allow local users to do this or that [15:40] i'm the only user on my system anyway [15:51] Akuli: 23:40 i'm the only user on my system anyway ~ to the best of your knowledge [15:52] ;) [15:53] Haha [16:05] I'm installing ubuntu mate on an sd card but it's id's as /dev/mmcblkOp2 is this why my install fails [16:06] i'd debootstrap it there first [16:07] I booted the live image of 16.10. I noticed that the battery indicator icon isn't centered, and there is no shadow for the top panel with the default (or any compositor) [16:07] sovereignentity, this tutorial is for debian, the only thing that's different with ubuntu is the url's https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apds03.html.en [16:08] Akuli, thanks [16:08] it's an advanced thing though :) ubuntu is after all meant to be installed on a hard drive [16:10] this is the pi version [16:11] maybe there's a better way to install it to an sd card [16:11] because as far as i know it's meant to be installed on an sd card [16:11] sovereignentity: do you mean that you're unzipping the .xz image to the sd card? [16:11] How are you installing it? [16:12] dd? [16:12] gnome disk utility [16:12] it's an iso [16:12] sovereignentity: img and iso files need to be imaged to the SD card. Can use dd or gnome disk [16:12] can't you just dd it? [16:13] dd if=/your/iso of=/dev/yourcard [16:13] sovereignentity: where did you find an iso for the rpi? [16:13] Maybe you're using the wrong image? [16:13] https://ubuntu-mate.org/raspberry-pi/ [16:13] What is its filename, or what was the download URL? [16:14] sovereignentity: there, it has this: https://ubuntu-mate.org/raspberry-pi/ubuntu-mate-16.04-desktop-armhf-raspberry-pi.img.xz [16:14] That is not an iso [16:14] Where did you get an iso? [16:15] Sovereignentity after the download button there are instructions on how to copy the image over [16:15] The partition will auto resize on 1st boot to fill the card if you concerned about that [16:15] I'm sorry I did download the incorrect file [16:16] Cool, that's what I thought; get the correct one ;) [16:16] thanks guys [16:16] np [16:29] so it"s ok to use that id for the sdcard? [16:29] if that's the only thing that appears in /dev when you plug in the card you have no other choices :) [16:30] sovereignentity: what is the output of ls /dev/mmc* [16:30] I think that what you said there, is the second partition, but all the partition table will be erased if you use dd on the whole card [16:32] actually, echo works with that also :) [16:32] as in echo /dev/mmc* [16:33] Sure, but "ls" is more understandable by users giving feedback [16:50] Ubuntu mate cada vez melhor, parabéns. [20:49] Sorry, will there be a 16.10 version for the pi? I'm itching to try out my new pi3. [21:13] Hello. How do I change the Firefox home page? [21:15] Whenever I change it back to https://start.ubuntu-mate.org/ [21:16] Hello! [21:18] Does anybody know why the robot.txt file of gnome-look.org blocks me from entering the website? [21:37] hi all [21:38] whats the rules for posting a question , i have ppc system ubuntu 16.04 and broken desktop after upgrade from 15.10 [21:39] i am sure its video card setting was looking for someone who might be able to recommend a link or two .. everything i found is no working [21:39] any takers? lol [21:40] i simply dont want to bork yaboot [21:40] i have blank screen with cursor [21:40] in the corner [21:57] hello. [22:26] hi [22:55] hey sorry was on phone ,, kid sick i am here