[11:42] <bazhang> kde clocks twenty!
[13:07] <ikonia> ?
[13:08] <k1l_> and kde re releases kde1 :)
[13:29] <ikonia> is it really 20 years since kde started ?
[13:58] <popey> feeling old now
[14:06] <ikonia> quite
[14:08] <seednode> Feeling quite young now
[14:10] <Pici> that sounds about right to me.
[14:42] <ikonia> vccccccc``````wF eeeeeD         eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerr```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
[14:42] <ikonia> oops, sorry
[14:45] <seednode> cat?
[15:01] <ikonia> exaclty that
[15:01] <ikonia> exatly
[15:01] <ikonia> exactly
[15:01] <ikonia> (that was me)
[15:02] <dax> excatly
[15:02] <ikonia> bravo
[16:18] <genii> heh
[16:25] <genii> dax: Is there some way to get a list of the variable substitutions the bot knows about?
[16:26] <genii> ( like, $curStableNum, $curDevel,  and so on)
[16:28] <dax> genii: I use https://web.archive.org/web/20120720015950/http://ubottu.com/devel/wiki/Plugins#Variables
[16:29] <genii> dax: Ah, thanks!
[16:37] <Pici> genii: also: /msg ubottu config list plugins.encyclopedia
[16:37] <Pici> Theres other config things in there, but the ones that are substitutions are kind of obvious
[16:45] <ikonia> ]\jkkkkm
[16:46] <genii> more cat typing detected
[18:42] <valorie> @login
[18:43] <valorie> @btlogin
[21:48] <wxl> everytime i see the nick sodomy, i cringe. i kind of feel like that's a bit inappropriate. thoughts?
[21:50] <ikonia> it just seems like it's meant to cause "shock"
[21:50] <wxl> so you would agree that it might be wise to ask the individual to choose a different nick?
[22:01] <ikonia> your call
[22:02] <ikonia> I'm not going to make a fuss over it, but it's not really a nice way to introduce yourself to people, and not really in the spirit of ubuntu's rules,
[22:02] <wxl> yeah
[22:02] <wxl> i think i may just send him a message and offer some friendly advice
[22:07] <valorie> a bit inappropriate?
[22:07] <valorie> TOTALLY inappropriate
[22:08] <valorie> change it or leave, would be my message
[22:09] <wxl> sent a message with that message
[22:09] <Unit193> Asking nicely is more likely to get a favorable response.
[22:26] <valorie> you mean rather than immediate punching in the face? I'll remember that, Unit193
[22:26] <valorie> <3
[22:38] <sodomy> Hello.  I'm here as requested :)
[22:38] <wxl> I invited sodomy here as he does not agree that his nick should be offensive.
[22:38] <wxl> I'll let him make his own case, though.
[22:38] <sodomy> Well, i've already made it once... I've got to do it all again?
[22:39] <wxl> i'd rather not speak for you, especially considering i don't agree :)
[22:39] <sodomy> I do not believe a simple english word - which is NOT a swear word - can be considered offensive.
[22:40] <valorie> not a swear word, no
[22:40] <valorie> a sexual act
[22:42] <sodomy> Sexual acts aren't 'offensive' in their nature - they are natural and accepted in discussions within a normal community.
[22:44] <sodomy> Also, I'm only lurking in /1/ ubuntu channel - I rarely speak or draw attention to  myself.. the only way people could be offended is if they study a nicklist (and who does that?)
[22:45] <sodomy> I also don't think it's offensive.  It's more shocking to people than actually offensive.
[22:46] <sodomy> (which is it's intent)
[22:47] <wxl> Your intent with your nick is to shock people and yet you're concerned when someone asks you to leave because of that nick?
[22:47] <wxl> That's certainly not considerate, which is CoC #1.
[22:47] <sodomy> Shock, not offend.
[22:48] <wxl> And shocking people is considerate?
[22:48] <wxl> Is it respectful?
[22:48] <sodomy> Not considerate in itself, but it is also not inconsiderate.
[22:48] <wxl> Is it cooperative?
[22:48] <sodomy> There's middle ground.
[22:49] <sodomy> It's neither respectful or not.  Again, middle ground.
[22:49] <wxl> Do you think people are negatively affected by it?
[22:49] <sodomy> If wxl cooperative?  How does your nick say 'cooperation'? :)
[22:49] <wxl> My nick refers to my name.
[22:50] <wxl> I'm pretty sure no one is negatively affected by that, but maybe.
[22:50] <wxl> If my nick was genetalia, though, that might not be the case.
[22:50] <sodomy> I don't believe anyone is negatively affected by my name, because it's just a word.  A word that may initially shock them, but that shock would last a mere second.
[22:51] <wxl> So-called swear words are also words, and yet you don't seem to question whether or not they negatively affect people.
[22:51] <sodomy> wxl: But you've still not said how your nick is cooperative - which is a standard you want to hold mine to.
[22:51] <sodomy> Because swear words are designed to *offend*.  Shocking is not offending.
[22:52] <wxl> What's the difference?
[22:52] <valorie> really
[22:52] <wxl> Because I'm neither shocked nor offended by many swear words.
[22:52] <sodomy> And many people are not shocked or offended at this word.
[22:52] <wxl> And yet many are.
[22:52] <sodomy> And many are by swear words.
[22:52] <wxl> And that's why the continued use of it is inconsiderate.
[22:53] <wxl> Just as with the swear words.
[22:53] <wxl> Furthermore, the subject of sex is something that is recommended by the guidelines to avoid. It is because of this reason.
[22:54] <sodomy> As I said, I do not believe the word is offensive by any reasonable standard of judgement - it is shocking, sure, but shock is something people don't mind inconsiderate.. they just accept it.
[22:55] <sodomy> s/mind/find/
[22:55] <wxl> Does anyone else agree with this logic? I'm more than willing to accept it, if so. Otherwise, I'd advise to just leave the Ubuntu channels and have fun shocking people elsewhere.
[22:55] <sodomy> I'm just trying to back my corner... not be pissy here.
[22:56] <valorie> I do not agree with this logic. The intent is to shock, which is the opposite of what we want in our community
[22:57] <wxl> I agree.
[22:58] <valorie> anyone else here agree with sodomy?
[22:58] <genii> It's also not a very family-friendly word, which is one of the criteria we go by when deciding what nicks are approriate or not.
[23:02] <wxl> sodomy: so far, you have not managed to convince anyone of your logic. that said, would you be so kind as to concede?
[23:04] <sodomy> Well, if I don't i'm just going to be kicked anyway.
[23:05] <sodomy> Is #ubuntu logged?
[23:05] <wxl> Yeppers
[23:05] <sodomy> Then - and I don't mean this in the pissy way - if you want me out, please kick me with a kick message which reflects my objection to my name being offensive.
[23:06] <sodomy> I just want it logged as to the fact i'm being removed from the community unwillingly.
[23:08] <genii> That will already be in the logs for this channel
[23:10] <valorie> from this vantage point, you are removing yourself from the community
[23:11] <valorie> you don't want to follow community standards
[23:11] <sodomy> But the fact you kicked someone who hasn't caused any issue in the channel itself (and has actually helped a couple of people), will not be.  And I just think it needs to be 'on the record' that i'm being removed even though i've caused no offense (none has been reported to my knowledge).
[23:12] <valorie> an offensive nick IS an issue
[23:12] <valorie> or you would not have been asked to change it
[23:12] <sodomy> I'm not trying to be intentionally pissy here.  I just want things recorded.
[23:13] <wxl> they'll be recorded for all irc ops to see
[23:13] <valorie> untrue, from the evidence I've seen
[23:14] <sodomy> Trust me, if I was being pissy you'd have kicked me from here long ago :)
[23:14] <valorie> you've not changed your offensive nick yet
[23:14] <sodomy> And I will not.
[23:14] <valorie> and you're now making veiled threats to be "pissy"?
[23:15] <sodomy> How have I made a veiled threat?
[23:16] <sodomy> All i've ask for is for a kick to be done with a kick message reflecting my objection that my name is offensive.
[23:17] <sodomy> I have no choice but to accept you want me out of your 'community' even though i've done nothing wrong.  I'm just asking for it to be done correctly.
[23:17] <wxl> done on #lubuntu
[23:18] <wxl> i'm not in #ubuntu so i'll leave it up to the rest of you
[23:18] <wxl> finally, would you please leave this channel, sodomy ?
[23:18] <sodomy> I was only in #lubuntu.
[23:19] <sodomy> Sure.
[23:19] <wxl> thanks
[23:19] <valorie> so polite
[23:19] <valorie> weird
[23:20] <wxl> pretty weird
[23:20] <wxl> but that's the way ideologues are
[23:28] <genii> When it some nick like that, you can take the family-friendly argument. "Would it be appropriate for your young daughter seeking support for their *buntu to be directed to an area where people use names which describe sexual acts?" etc
[23:29] <wxl> i already tried that
[23:29] <wxl> his argument was "if a 13 year old is on the internet, they've seen far worse"
[23:30] <genii> There's some merit in that, but still not enough.
[23:32] <valorie> imo "protect teh children" is a rather feeble argument
[23:32] <valorie> however, he said his intent was to shock
[23:32] <valorie> 'nuff said
[23:33] <wxl> yup
[23:33] <wxl> well he got what he wanted XD
[23:33] <wxl> when i was younger, i probably would have made that same stupid argument
[23:34] <wxl> based on that, i told him that while i agreed with him ideologically, i would hope he'd understand the simple practicality of being considerate
[23:36]  * genii wanders off to get ready for Toronto Blue Jays vs Cleveland Indians
[23:36] <wxl> go tribe!
[23:37] <wxl> (not really, but i am from cleveland, so)
[23:37] <genii> heh :)