[06:33] <user|10368> hello Anyone out there who can help with hardware support of kubuntu?
[06:34] <user|10368> netbook: hp pavillion x2 detachable.
[06:35] <user|10368> no sound. (no soundcard recognized))
[08:01] <To24> Hi, like someone said, Okular is not by default in Kubuntu 16.10.
[08:02] <To24> Are we supposed to install it or to use other program?
[09:41] <To24> In Kubuntu-devel: acheronuk has said that, in Kubuntu 16.10, "Okular was removed from the iso due to causing kde4 dependency problems when building that. go ahead and install it :)"
[09:42] <acheronuk> yep http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu.yakkety/revision/1344
[09:46] <To24> Thank you, acheronuk, the user "dsealius" asked that previously in this channel
[09:47] <To24> He wrote "why okular is not installed by default on 16.10 release ?
[09:47] <To24> it launches libre office instead"
[09:49] <user|40204> Hi
[09:50] <user|40204> What are the hardware requirements for Kubuntu 16.10?
[10:18] <mparillo> It can run on a netbook with 1GB, but if you do anything more than light web surfing and document editing, you will not be happy on it.
[10:50] <fml> mparillo: even document editing and web surfing is impossible
[10:51] <fml> 2GB and bigger ammount for x64, as reality shows
[10:51] <user|69240> Hello! How is everyone? Well just upgraded from 14:04 to 16:04 in the graph mode. Everything went well, but when restarted came the black screen with the following message:
[10:51] <user|69240> [19.324447] br ms Mac  bcma0:1: brcms_ops_bss_info_chenged: qos enabled: false (implement)
[10:53] <fml> idk what happen, but i'm sitting on kubuntu since 14.04, than upgraded to 15.04, to 16.04, an then 16.10
[10:53] <fml> and everythink is ok
[10:54] <fml> i always upgrade os from terminal
[10:56] <user|69240> [19.324581]  br ms Mac bcma0:1: brcms_ops_config: change power-packed mode: false (implement)
[10:58] <user|69240> These are the messages. Then do ctrl + High + f2 and opens the login terminal
[11:03] <user|69240> [19.324581]  brcmsmac bcma0:1: brcms_ops_config: change power-packed mode: false (implement)
[11:03] <user|69240> These are the messages. Then do ctrl + High + f2 and opens the login terminal
[11:05] <user|69240> Hello! How is everyone? Well just upgraded from 14:04 to 16:04 in the graph mode. Everything went well, but when restarted came the black screen with the following message:
[11:05] <user|69240> [19.324447] brmsmac  bcma0:1: brcms_ops_bss_info_chenged: qos enabled: false (implement)
[11:05] <user|69240> [19.324581]  br ms Mac bcma0:1: brcms_ops_config: change power-packed mode: false (implement)
[11:19] <Jakelinux> Hello! How is everyone? Well just upgraded from 14:04 to 16:04 in the graph mode. Everything went well, but when restarted came the black screen with the following message:
[11:19] <Jakelinux> [19.324447] brmsmac  bcma0:1: brcms_ops_bss_info_chenged: qos enabled: false (implement)
[11:19] <Jakelinux> [19.324581]  br ms Mac bcma0:1: brcms_ops_config: change power-packed mode: false (implement)
[11:20] <kingwill101> hey, so i installed kubuntu-desktop under ubuntu and everything installs fine but when i login everything is black except for some text mainly on desktop and taskbar http://imgur.com/a/mB2ut
[11:32] <vadim> hi all
[11:33] <vadim> how to upgrade from kubuntu 16.04(.1) to 16.10?
[11:33] <Jakelinux> Hello! How is everyone? Well just upgraded from 14:04 to 16:04 in the graph mode. Everything went well, but when restarted came the black screen with the following message:
[11:33] <Jakelinux> [19.324447] brmsmac  bcma0:1: brcms_ops_bss_info_chenged: qos enabled: false (implement)
[11:33] <Jakelinux> [19.324581]  br ms Mac bcma0:1: brcms_ops_config: change power-packed mode: false (implement)
[11:47] <Jakelinux> Help
[11:49] <mparillo> !ask
[11:50] <vadim> how to upgrade from kubuntu 16.04(.1) to 16.10?
[11:53] <Jakelinux> 16.04
[11:54] <Jakelinux> Hello! How is everyone? Well just upgraded from 14:04 to 16:04 in the graph mode. Everything went well, but when restarted came the black screen with the following message:
[11:54] <Jakelinux> [19.324447] brmsmac  bcma0:1: brcms_ops_bss_info_chenged: qos enabled: false (implement)
[11:54] <Jakelinux> [19.324581]  br ms Mac bcma0:1: brcms_ops_config: change power-packed mode: false (implement)
[11:56] <Ashareth> it's a problem with power saving not working properly, so it probably mess with the graphic card
[11:56] <Ashareth> (ie : not getting out of power saving mode or something like that)
[11:57] <Ashareth> except that bcma is for broadcom hardware
[11:57] <Ashareth> if i recall well, so it should be a wifi/network card or something
[11:57] <Ashareth> but first try to update the graphic drivers in command line
[11:57] <Ashareth> might solve the black screen problem
[11:58] <Jakelinux> What command?
[11:59] <Ashareth> depends what drivers you use (if it's proprietary ones from nvidia/amd or not)
[12:01] <Ashareth> on 14.04 and above the tool allowing that is ubuntu-drivers from memory
[12:01] <Ashareth> (should look like "ubuntu-drivers list" to list the drivers available
[12:02] <Jakelinux> ATI Mobility Radeon HD 6550
[12:02] <Ashareth> devices will gives you a list of hardware matched with the name of the driver
[12:05] <Jakelinux> I will give food to my daughter. I'll be right back.
[12:12] <Jakelinux> Hello! How is everyone? Well just upgraded from 14:04 to 16:04 in the graph mode. Everything went well, but when restarted came the black screen with the following message:
[12:12] <Jakelinux> [19.324447] brmsmac  bcma0:1: brcms_ops_bss_info_chenged: qos enabled: false (implement)
[12:12] <Jakelinux> [19.324581]  br ms Mac bcma0:1: brcms_ops_config: change power-packed mode: false (implement)
[12:15] <Jakelinux> Help me!
[12:16] <kingwill101> hey, so i installed kubuntu-desktop under ubuntu and everything installs fine but when i login everything is black except for some text mainly on desktop and taskbar http://imgur.com/a/mB2ut
[12:21] <user|20999> Hello! How is everyone? Well just upgraded from 14:04 to 16:04 in the graph mode. Everything went well, but when restarted came the black screen with the following message:
[12:21] <user|20999> [19.324447] brmsmac  bcma0:1: brcms_ops_bss_info_chenged: qos enabled: false (implement)
[12:21] <user|20999> [19.324581]  br ms Mac bcma0:1: brcms_ops_config: change power-packed mode: false (implement)
[12:23] <user|20999> Sorry inputs and outputs. I am writing an android tablet.
[12:24] <user|20999> I am from Brazil.
[12:27] <user|20999> Help me!
[12:28] <soee> !ask | user|20999
[12:28] <soee> user|20999: what is the problem ?
[12:29] <user|20999> My problem this:
[12:29] <user|20999> Hello! How is everyone? Well just upgraded from 14:04 to 16:04 in the graph mode. Everything went well, but when restarted came the black screen with the following message:
[12:29] <user|20999> [19.324447] br ms Mac  bcma0:1: brcms_ops_bss_info_chenged: qos enabled: false (implement)
[12:30] <soee> this is something related to network manager ?
[12:30] <user|20999> [19.324447] br ms Mac  bcma0:1: brcms_ops_bss_info_chenged: qos enabled: false (implement)
[12:31] <soee> have you read maybe this: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=159929
[12:32] <user|20999> [19.324581]  br ms Mac bcma0:1: brcms_ops_config: change power-packed mode: false (implement)
[12:32] <soee> maybe you are missing some driver, i never had such problem :/
[12:32] <soee> user|20999: you are using wifi on that machine ?
[12:33] <soee> ...
[13:30] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[15:22] <goodtime> havin trouble
[15:25] <goodtime>  i got big problems with my updates
[15:25] <goodtime> failed to apply
[15:26]  * hippybear brushes off the couch
[15:26] <hippybear> here tell us all about it
[15:26] <hippybear> Whats the issue?
[15:26] <goodtime> hang on
[15:28] <goodtime> tzdata (2016g-0ubuntu. 16.04)
[15:28] <goodtime> failed to apply
[15:28] <goodtime> then it just stops there and dosent finish the rest of the updates
[15:28] <hippybear> are you in terminal?
[15:28] <goodtime> yes
[15:29] <goodtime> i used sudo bash
[15:29] <hippybear> aight one sec
[15:29] <goodtime> perhaps thats the issue
[15:29] <hippybear> let me check mine, it just updated tzdata
[15:30] <goodtime> i think it has something todo with the time zone
[15:30] <hippybear> apt-get install tzdata
[15:30] <goodtime> ok
[15:30] <hippybear> yeah thats the tz data
[15:30] <hippybear> :P
[15:30] <hippybear> is there an error when you put it in?
[15:32] <goodtime> well that did it
[15:32] <goodtime> ty hippybear
[15:32] <goodtime> :)
[15:33] <hippybear> no problem
[15:34] <goodtime> bbl and ty again hippybear
[15:41] <cablop> heelo, dudes
[15:41] <cablop> *hello
[15:42] <cablop> i want to know what is the recommenden input to write chinese in KUbuntu 16.04
[15:42] <cablop> ibus?
[15:45] <steve-_-2> hi team, I find it somewhat difficult to follow the install instructions from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YakketyYak/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu
[15:46] <steve-_-2> the section "Upgrading from 16.04" is really hard to follow and imo giving the user "or" instructions isn't a great policy
[15:46] <steve-_-2> also some steps and precise instructions are missing
[15:46] <steve-_-2> maybe obvious for linux geeks for new users imo frustrating to follow
[15:50] <hippybear> cablop: I have never written chinese so not sure
[15:51] <buovjaga> yes, would be good to get numbered steps
[15:51] <BluesKaj> steve-_-2, which method are you using to upgrade
[15:52] <steve-_-2> BluesKaj: um system updates I guess the dialog is called. so I set it up in "discover"
[15:52] <hippybear> system upgrades shouldnt require linux geek cred
[15:52] <steve-_-2> it#s working all fine, just that I think the wiki instructions are highly confusing
[15:52] <hippybear> its a simple 3 command deal in terminal
[15:52] <hippybear> Either open Muon upgrade app, or run in terminal
[15:52] <hippybear> thats kinda the linux way
[15:53] <steve-_-2> hippybear: yeah there are users that don't live in the command line. also I referenced already I am not referring to the right section (CLI) but to the left section in the wiki
[15:53] <hippybear> eclipse, click the icon or type 'eclipse' in terminal
[15:53] <BluesKaj> steve-_-2, in your update manager change the LIS only update to normal
[15:54] <hippybear> you dont need to live in a command line to upgrade your system
[15:54] <hippybear> youre making it more difficult than it is
[15:54] <hippybear> this isnt windows
[15:54] <buovjaga> BluesKaj: he is trying to help you improve the wiki :) we need someone with edit rights
[15:54] <hippybear> lol
[15:54] <hippybear> imo that is a non issue
[15:55] <hippybear> if you cant do A, then do B
[15:55] <steve-_-2> hippybear: good for you. but you didn't even read what the problem is
[15:55] <hippybear> \0/
[15:55] <steve-_-2> the update is working
[15:55] <steve-_-2> all setup here
[15:55] <hippybear> I did read
[15:55] <hippybear> you make asinine assumptions
[15:55] <buovjaga> the problem is the wiki
[15:55] <steve-_-2> so why direct me to the terminal?
[15:55] <hippybear> I didnt, I was more just making comments. I dont know why you think I was talking to you
[15:55] <hippybear> did I say steve-_-2?
[15:55] <BluesKaj> buovjaga, the wiki is very straight forward ...we;re here to help those who don't understand the nomenclature
[15:56] <hippybear> ^
[15:56] <buovjaga> BluesKaj: it is not straightforward enough :) otherwise steve wouldn't be here suggesting improvements
[15:56] <hippybear> before muon updater you had people in here who would never be able to update
[15:56] <hippybear> lol
[15:56] <buovjaga> you need enumerated steps, like in a bug report
[15:56] <hippybear> lol
[15:56] <steve-_-2> lol lol lol not helpful.
[15:56] <BluesKaj> buovjaga, well, that's what we're here for ...do you understand?
[15:57] <steve-_-2> sure and that's appreciated
[15:57] <buovjaga> BluesKaj: yes
[15:57] <hippybear> step 1, click the thing, step 2 click the upgrade button, step 3 wait
[15:57] <steve-_-2> so let's rephrase: do you think the wiki steps on the left section are consistent and clear?
[15:59] <goodtime> hi BluesKaj
[16:02] <BluesKaj> well we don't edit the wiki here , steve-_-2 , you may want to expalin your displeasure with it in #kubuntu-devel
[16:02] <steve-_-2> BluesKaj: thx buovjaga just did that
[16:03] <BluesKaj> ok ..BBL ...editing my music files for the next 30mins or so
[16:04] <steve-_-2> BluesKaj: have fun
[16:11] <acheronuk> just having a look at the wiki now
[16:19] <steve-_-2> so updated but no the vm no longer boots
[16:20] <steve-_-2> ah restarting a few times seems to have helped
[16:22] <steve-_-2> so has muon be removed from kubuntu 16.10?
[16:22] <steve-_-2> can't find it anymore
[16:24] <steve-_-2> so system updates etc now incoming via discover?
[16:26] <acheronuk> muon is there if you wish to install it
[16:27] <steve-_-2> acheronuk: well it was there but has been uninstalled it seems
[16:27] <steve-_-2> also why have 2 update managers?
[16:27] <steve-_-2> so the default is discover?
[16:28] <acheronuk> KDE wants to have discover, as it it evolving into a software centre that will be more than just a package manager.
[16:28] <steve-_-2> sounds fine
[16:28] <steve-_-2> also that means I don't have to be annoyed by the wrong time info for the last update check in muon...
[16:28] <acheronuk> Muon has been revived as an option for those who may just want a plain package manager
[16:29] <acheronuk> Both are somewhat a work in progress from KDE.
[16:30] <acheronuk> steve-_-2: stick a quick band-aid on the wiki. ;)
[16:30] <steve-_-2> acheronuk: hm, they should focus efforts and get one to working state. muon has had that time check bug for years
[16:30] <acheronuk> *stuck even
[16:31] <acheronuk> Muon is very much a side project. pretty much one person fixing it up
[16:32] <penelopa> KDE in Kubuntu 16.10 periodical crash. (((
[16:33] <steve-_-2> Open Configure Software Sources from the settings menu, and set the release upgrade option to Normal Releases.
[16:33] <steve-_-2> I don#t understand that. when  I open discover, settings > software source I see http://imgur.com/a/dHnxS
[16:33] <steve-_-2> that doesn't match that description at all
[16:34] <steve-_-2> acheronuk:
[16:36] <acheronuk> steve-_-2: http://i.imgur.com/WRHr3fa.png
[16:38] <steve-_-2> acheronuk: this stuff is complex. I don't have the advanced option
[16:38] <steve-_-2> http://imgur.com/a/5TeKM
[16:38] <acheronuk> gets you: http://i.imgur.com/iYbsLMu.png
[16:39] <acheronuk> steve-_-2: are you now on 16.10? if so, the the version of discover on that is different
[16:40] <steve-_-2> acheronuk: y
[16:40] <steve-_-2> hm, so why hide important options?
[16:40] <acheronuk> I'm looking at standard 16.04.1 in a VM
[16:40] <steve-_-2> 16.10 here in vm (:
[16:41] <steve-_-2> well, maybe things will stabilise
[16:41] <acheronuk> I know what you mean. plasma-discover is changing rapidly between releases
[16:42] <steve-_-2> ok, so let#S ignore that. let me take another look at the wiki
[16:42] <acheronuk> upstream dev version is completely changed again
[16:42] <hippybear> personally I have never used the non terminal version
[16:42] <hippybear> much easier in terminal
[16:43] <acheronuk> ^^^^ ditto
[16:45] <steve-_-2> acheronuk: terminal is great but not for non terminal users.
[16:45] <steve-_-2> acheronuk: so why not add "in software sources open the 'Updates' tab and there in the 'Release upgrade' section select 'Normal Releases'
[16:46] <steve-_-2> that would be an instruction that should prevent users from searching like crazy
[16:46] <steve-_-2> atm it's totally unclear as to where to find that setting that needs to be adjusted
[16:49] <hippybear> because muon is bloated
[16:49] <hippybear> in terminal its much simpler
[16:49] <hippybear> Windows does a disservice to users hand holding everyone and getting them used to installing 400 lbs of crap just tp update one program
[16:50] <hippybear> "But I need a GUI"
[16:50] <hippybear> "Terminal is so scery"
[16:50] <hippybear> Linux is not for strictly gui users
[16:51] <hippybear> Never was designed to be, if you cant get used to usig a terminal install Mac or stick to windows
[16:51] <steve-_-2> hippybear: I truly believe this is incorrect. linux wants to be on the desktop
[16:51] <hippybear> Desktop is there for people who cant install x
[16:51] <hippybear> you really dont need it
[16:52] <steve-_-2> ? well whatever. I give up for today. acheronuk if you want to further adjust the wiki, that would be welcome.
[16:52] <hippybear> some peoples kids
[16:55] <acheronuk> that debate goes on ad nauseum.
[16:59] <hippybear> No doubt
[16:59] <hippybear> I remember linux 15 years ago
[16:59] <hippybear> ask for a GUI for a and get laughed out of the channel
[16:59] <hippybear> "Go back to windows nub"
[17:00] <Unit193> Except this isn't 15 years ago, and people can generally ignore the terminal.
[17:02] <hippybear> I dont recall saying it was
[17:02] <hippybear> but astute observation
[17:03] <hippybear> How do you edit iptable rules without a terminal?
[17:03] <hippybear> how do you generate ssh keys?
[17:04] <hippybear> how do you connect to a server via ssh with a gui?
[17:04] <hippybear> sftp?
[17:04] <hippybear> top?
[17:06] <buovjaga> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_edit_iptables_rules#GUI
[17:07] <hippybear> rhel != Kubuntu
[17:11] <buovjaga> Kubuntu users will miss out, then :)
[17:12] <hippybear> lol
[17:12] <hippybear> "Im a linux system admin for the past 10 years. I can't use anything non terminal"
[17:13] <hippybear> wordfail++
[17:15] <buovjaga> luckily we can use http://bedrocklinux.org/ to get the best of both Fedora and Kubuntu
[17:17] <hippybear> that just seems like a bad day waiting to happen
[17:17] <hippybear> maybe not
[17:17] <hippybear> unmet dependencies out the wazoo
[17:19] <sponge> Hello
[17:19] <hippybear> hallo
[17:20] <sponge> I'm using xubuntu on my laptop and I wanted to try kubuntu. I'm wondering if it's possible to install kubuntu on a external-usb-drive and dual boot (In order to not ruin the xubuntu installation). Can anyone advise me on what's my best options?
[17:21] <soee> why not make bootable usb and try live session ?
[17:23] <sponge> Because I it's hard to fully work with a live session. I can't install my fav apps and keep them on the live-usb.
[17:23] <hippybear> you can also install the kubuntu desktop env and log out and try kubuntu
[17:24] <mparillo> You should be able to add "persistence" to your USB and then install aps, change configs and have them the next time you boot using the USB.
[17:26] <sponge> hippybear, on many sites it's recommended not to mix kde with other DEs, and not to experiment on a production machine. This is why I'm not choosing the option to install kde inside xubuntu.
[17:28] <hippybear> I can understand
[17:28] <hippybear> it really isnt that bad if you know how to set it back
[17:29] <sponge> mparillo, Can I also add persistence when "burning" the usb with rufus?
[17:29] <sponge> hippybear, knowing how to set it back is using purge? Does it completely wipe all the changes kde has made?
[17:30] <hippybear> it removes a lot of things you actually need
[17:30] <sponge> hippybear, So you mean that's not the right way of doing it?
[17:30] <hippybear> so you have to let it clear all that and then reinstall some really important system files with apt-get update && upgrade
[17:31] <hippybear> it takes some know how but its doable
[17:33] <sponge1> sorry. Got d/c
[17:33] <sponge1> Maybe I'll try it first with the live usb. Is there a recommended way for burning a live-usb from inside windows that enables persistence?
[17:34] <hippybear> unetbootin works?
[17:44] <sponge1> hippybear, Yeah, it works. I just wanted to know if you recommend something. I used to use rufus because it has support for old bios which one of my machines required.
[17:45] <hippybear> I never used anything other than unetbootin
[18:06] <leumas> Hi All, just upgraded to 16.10 and my wireless card aint working since then
[18:07] <leumas> same for audio, i need to unplug and plug back my USB headset to get it to work...pls help
[18:17] <hippybear> which wireless card do you have?
[18:17] <robert850> I downloaded the kubunyu file, now what? My laptop doesn't read the file?
[18:17] <hippybear> Yeah its a much more involved process than just clicking a file
[18:17] <hippybear> Do you have a USB? are you burning a disk?
[18:18] <hippybear> Will this be in a VM or installed over your OS
[18:18] <robert850> over OS
[18:19] <hippybear> so you will need to either burn that iso to a disk and set that disk to be bootable or burn it to USB and make the USB bootable if your OS supports USB booting
[18:19] <hippybear> you will also need a working internet through the whole process
[18:19] <robert850> OK sounds good, anything else?
[18:20] <hippybear> let me see if I can find a decent write up on how to do it so you dont get totally lost :)
[18:21] <hippybear> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[18:22] <hippybear> should have you set up in a couple hours :)
[18:22] <hippybear> any issues just come back in
[18:22] <robert850> Thank you !
[18:23] <hippybear> anytime
[18:37] <Aaditya> my ubuntu software isnt working...wont start at all when clicked
[18:38] <Aaditya> looked up some articles online
[18:38] <Aaditya> tried reinstalling gnome software
[18:38] <Aaditya> no help
[18:49] <Aaditya> also, I'm new to IRC...i dont really understand how logging is done...and that will i be able to see messages during the interval when my IRC client was inactive
[18:49] <soee> Aaditya: we dotn support gnome softwere center
[18:50] <soee> in kubuntu you have Discover
[18:50] <Aaditya> im a unity desktop ubuntu user
[18:50] <soee> Aaditya: so why asking here ?
[18:50] <soee> this is Kubuntu support channel
[18:50] <Aaditya> sorry
[18:50] <soee> you should ask on #ubuntu
[18:50] <Aaditya> thanks
[18:51] <Aaditya> one question...what is the difference between k,x,l ubuntu?
[18:51] <soee> differend DE
[18:51] <soee> ubutnu uses Unity, kubuntu Plasma (KDE), and xubutnu theit own
[19:05] <sponge1> Can I install gnome/mate (gtk3/gtk2) apps on kubuntu?
[19:10] <soee> sponge1: yes
[19:10] <hippybear> you 'can'
[19:10] <hippybear> it looks a litte weird sometimes
[19:10] <sponge1> Does this require kubuntu to d/l lots of libraries and possibly break the system?
[19:11] <hippybear> it wont break it
[19:11] <hippybear> you will often need to download a ton of stuff for deps
[19:11] <hippybear> it still looks weird at times and often lacks small features
[19:11] <hippybear> sometimes you wont even notice lol
[19:13] <hippybear> Aaditya: different versions are for different 'needs'
[19:14] <hippybear> some are more geared to education and have default apps installed that work like that, if that makes sense
[19:18] <sponge1> cool. thanks hippybear
[19:19] <hippybear> no prob
[19:19] <sponge1> Oh, one more thing
[19:20] <hippybear> ?
[19:21] <sponge1> I've heard that plasma 5.8 is going to be LTS. Is there a way/will there be a way to upgrade plasma 5.7 on kubuntu 16.04 to plasma 5.8? and stay on two LTS - one is kubuntu 16.04 and one is plasma 5.8?
[19:22] <hippybear> mmm sorta
[19:22] <hippybear> its often awkward but you can backwards compile
[19:22] <hippybear> you have to know how to specify versions in apt for example, but it can be done
[19:23] <hippybear> its better to either switch to beta and just let it run buggy as it is, or build backwards and accept the issues
[19:23] <hippybear> lol
[19:24] <sponge> Sorry. Got d/c again
[19:24] <sponge> I've heard that plasma 5.8 is going to be LTS. Is there a way/will there be a way to upgrade plasma 5.7 on kubuntu 16.04 to plasma 5.8? and stay on two LTS - one is kubuntu 16.04 and one is plasma 5.8?
[19:25] <hippybear> its better to either switch to beta and just let it run buggy as it is, or build backwards and accept the issues
[19:25] <hippybear> its often awkward but you can backwards compile
[19:25] <hippybear> you have to know how to specify versions in apt for example, but it can be done
[19:25] <leumas> hippybear: its an Intel card
[19:25] <hippybear> hrm
[19:25] <hippybear> its built in right?
[19:25] <leumas> yea
[19:25] <hippybear> lol
[19:26] <hippybear> also whoever made this is amazing! http://www.awwwards.com/awards/images/2015/08/yondr-awwwards-logos-4.gif
[19:26] <hippybear> leumas: do you have alsamixer?
[19:28] <leumas> hippybear: i used to have Kmix before the update but i cant see on my system
[19:29] <mparillo> sponge: https://github.com/pbatard/rufus/wiki/FAQ#Do_you_plan_to_add_Linux_persistent_data_support_eg_for_Ubuntu
[19:29] <leumas> hippybear: do you recomend i install alsamixer or go with Kmix?
[19:29] <hippybear> leumas: what is the output of cat /proc/asound/card0/codec* | grep Codec
[19:29] <mparillo> Unetbootin used to claim to support persistence, but it stopped working at all for me maybe a year or so ago.
[19:30] <leumas> hippybear: no such file or directory
[19:30] <hippybear> hardcore
[19:30] <hippybear> try cat /proc/asound/card0/codec*
[19:30] <sponge> hippybear, Although I understood some of the things you regarding the buggy/issues/backward compile.. I don't think I'm capable of this level.
[19:31] <leumas> hippybear: same result
[19:31] <hippybear> meh
[19:31] <hippybear> well
[19:31] <hippybear> what in the world
[19:31] <sponge> thanks mparillo for linking me to this!
[19:31] <hippybear> try sudo su
[19:31] <hippybear> then cat those see if you get anything
[19:32] <sponge> mparillo, Is there a respectable tool to make live-usbs in windows that are persistent?
[19:33] <hippybear> leumas: apt-get install alsa
[19:33] <hippybear> lets get you some sound lol
[19:33] <sponge> hippybear, Will 5.7 get updates to solve issues for the long run? since 16.04 is LTS?
[19:33] <leumas> hippybear: already the newest version
[19:34] <hippybear> k
[19:34] <sponge> mparillo, in that link, they're saying: Once you boot the OS, you should have everything you need to create some space for persistent data, so there's no real need for Rufus to do that. | How should that be made?
[19:34] <hippybear> sponge: maybe?
[19:34] <hippybear> leumas: alsamixer
[19:35] <leumas> hippybear: unable to locate package
[19:35] <hippybear> leumas: F6 to select your sound card
[19:35] <hippybear> apt-get install alsamixer
[19:36] <sponge> Can you please recommend a good tutorial for kubuntu? or is this sufficient for a newbie http://docs.kubuntu.org/ ?
[19:36] <leumas> hippybear: just installed kmix
[19:37] <hippybear> guis lol
[19:37] <hippybear> :)
[19:37] <leumas> hippybear: the key is not assigned on my laptop, Lenovo T420i (Fn + F6)
[19:38] <hippybear> :(
[19:39] <sponge> I'll try the liveusb. bbl. thanks for all the help :)
[19:39] <hippybear> np
[19:48] <ahoneybun> so that script connects
[19:50] <sponge1> Hello
[19:51] <sponge1> Is there a way to install synaptic or something similar on the kubuntu live-usb?
[20:01] <sponge1> Could it be that Discover isn't offering vlc for install?
[20:07] <hippybear> man installing fonts isnt working so well today
[20:07] <hippybear> might be buggy
[20:08] <sponge1> hippybear: Why can't I find vlc in Discover? Should I change something in my settings?
[20:09] <sponge1> Also I can't find the restricted codec package
[20:09] <hippybear> I dont use discover
[20:09] <hippybear> try it in terminal does it tell you nothing found?
[20:09] <sponge1> terminal works. I managed to install synaptic via terminal
[20:09] <hippybear> das whats up
[20:10] <hippybear> I always use the terminal
[20:10] <hippybear> it just seems right lol
[20:10] <sponge1> Is discover broken or somethign?
[20:11] <hippybear> It works, you probably just need to enable something or change a setting
[20:12] <sponge1> ok
[20:12] <hippybear> you have to add a ppa
[20:12] <hippybear> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:videolan/stable-daily
[20:12] <sponge1> doesn't kubuntu use the same ppas as ubuntu/xubuntu?
[20:13] <hippybear> its also in trusty-main or xenial-main now
[20:13] <hippybear> no
[20:13] <hippybear> sorta?
[20:13] <acheronuk> vlc is in the main archive
[20:14] <acheronuk> sudo apt install vlc
[20:16] <hippybear> vlc vlc-plugin
[20:16] <sponge1> sholdn't it also be in xenial main?
[20:16] <hippybear> it is
[20:17] <acheronuk> no need for an extra ppa for vlc unless you want the git stable/unstable builds
[20:17] <sponge1> acheronuk: even if I'm on a live usb?
[20:18] <hippybear> yeah
[20:19] <hippybear> vlc and all plugins / libs are in xenial main http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/allpackages
[20:22] <acheronuk> live cd/usb has 'main restricted universe' in it's sources.list. so most things like vlc etc should be available
[20:22] <ahoneybun> sponge1: the live usb can install software
[20:25] <ahoneybun> I guess the bot is not doing anything then
[20:27] <sponge1> thanks. I'll try that and restart. bbl
[21:31] <viewer|19359> Hello. I have one little question. It is normaly thath I don't have to enter my password for sudo in comandline? This is since 16.10
[22:40] <kayvee> I have a quick question - is there a command line way to unlock widgets?
[22:41] <kayvee> I am working on a script that will change wallpapers and it won't work unless the widgets are unlocked. I don't want to leave my widgets unlocked at all times.
[22:44] <hippybear> Not that I am aware of
[22:45] <hippybear> If you are doing it in a script lock widgets=false
[22:46] <kayvee> Then is there a way to change the wallpaper using a script? The ones I have looked at so far use a similar approach that involves a qdbus command
[22:47] <kayvee> Cool. Let me try that
[22:49] <kayvee> Nope, it did not work. I have a feeling though that I have screwed up something.
[22:51] <kayvee> This is the command I am using: qdbus org.kde.plasmashell /PlasmaShell org.kde.PlasmaShell.evaluateScript 'var allDesktops = desktops();print (allDesktops);for (i=0;i<allDesktops.length;i++) {d = allDesktops[i];d.wallpaperPlugin = "org.kde.image";d.currentConfigGroup = Array("Wallpaper", "org.kde.image", "General");d.writeConfig("Image", "file:///path/to/image.png")}'
[22:52] <hippybear> https://gist.github.com/hippybear/3e7951a2cf2167ac917ae85a85a1e1bd
[22:52] <hippybear> example script that randomly chooses wallpaper based on a file
[22:53] <kayvee> That appears to be gnome specific. Will it work on KDE/Plasma?
[22:54] <hippybear> should
[22:54] <hippybear> the essential line is gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.background picture-uri "$FNAME"
[22:55] <hippybear> FNAME = whatever/path/image.png
[22:56] <hippybear> you will need to assosciate it with a crontab to get it to run randomly
[22:56] <hippybear> crontab -e
[22:56] <hippybear> then add your file at the bottom
[22:58] <kayvee> I have tried that script. The wallpaper is not changed.
[22:59] <hippybear> I wonder if gsettings is changed in 16
[22:59] <hippybear> lemme see
[22:59] <ronaldsmazitis> my application dashboard doesn't search files
[23:01] <hippybear> kayvee: qdbus org.kde.plasma
[23:01] <hippybear> in terminal what is the output?
[23:01] <ronaldsmazitis> using kde 5.6.5
[23:03] <ronaldsmazitis> anyone knows why my application dashboard doesn't search files
[23:04] <kayvee> says Service 'org.kde.plasma' does not exist.
[23:05] <kayvee> I am using KDE Plasma version 5.7.5
[23:06] <kayvee> I do have org.kde.plasmashell however
[23:07] <hippybear> qdbus org.kde.plasmashell
[23:07] <kayvee> https://paste.kde.org/p97irqxwu is what I see when I do qdbus org.kde.plasmashell
[23:09] <hippybear> getting closer!
[23:09] <ronaldsmazitis> anybody?
[23:10] <hippybear> ronaldsmazitis: What do you mean it doesnt search files?
[23:10] <hippybear> which menu are you using?
[23:10] <ronaldsmazitis> it supposed to search files
[23:10] <hippybear> ok
[23:10] <ronaldsmazitis> application dashboard
[23:10] <ronaldsmazitis> fullscreen
[23:10] <hippybear> :|
[23:10] <hippybear> and you type a letter and nothing
[23:11] <hippybear> click your menu and type abc and take a screenshot of it
[23:12] <ronaldsmazitis> baloo_file_extractor uses a lot of ram
[23:12] <ronaldsmazitis> and processor
[23:13] <ronaldsmazitis> 25% CPU
[23:13] <hippybear> kayvee: https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=109437&p=256319#p256319
[23:13] <hippybear> ronaldsmazitis: how about a screenshot of the menu?
[23:13] <hippybear> click your menu and type abc and take a screenshot of it
[23:13] <ronaldsmazitis> it finds applications but no files
[23:14] <ronaldsmazitis> no need for screenshot it is like I said
[23:14] <ronaldsmazitis> it finds plenty of question marks on files
[23:15] <hippybear> oh files
[23:16] <hippybear> Konsole > find somefile.c
[23:16] <ronaldsmazitis> no clock on panel
[23:17] <hippybear> delete the panel and add a default new one
[23:18] <ronaldsmazitis> when I add clock it shows error
[23:19] <ronaldsmazitis> Error loading QML file: file:///usr/share/plasma/plasmoids/org.kde.plasma.digitalclock/contents/ui/main.qml:48:14: Cannot assign to non-existent property "toolTipItem"
[23:19] <hippybear> good lord
[23:21] <kayvee> hippybear: I don't have org.kde.plasma-desktop. I get the error: Cannot find 'local.PlasmaApp.loadScriptInInteractiveConsole' in object /App at org.kde.plasma-desktop
[23:22] <hippybear> ronaldsmazitis: https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=plasma-workspace.git there is no more toolTipItem in KDE>5.5
[23:23] <hippybear> you need to upgrade
[23:23] <hippybear> something is wacky
[23:24] <valorie> or perhaps `sudo apt install -f` where f=fix
[23:25] <hippybear> lol
[23:25] <hippybear> something isnt up to par for sure
[23:28] <hippybear> kayvee: im not really sure :| it seems some thing changed and now I have no clue how to lol
[23:33] <kayvee> I have been searching about this... Here's kind of what I wanted to do. https://gist.github.com/mamantoha/e4a2e173a852d6901918eef56e5bc884
[23:33] <kayvee> hippybear: that script works but only if I have the widgets unlocked
[23:33] <hippybear> oh bang
[23:34] <hippybear> its javascript?
[23:34] <kayvee> So all I am looking for is an addition to that script that unlocks the widgets first, changes the wallpaper and locks it back again.
[23:34] <kayvee> hippybear: it is ruby
[23:34] <hippybear> oh tru
[23:35] <hippybear> missed the .rb lol
[23:35] <hippybear> looks a lot like node, plus plasma is bringing in some kind of javascript editor for plasmoids