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=== norbydroid_ is now known as NorbyDroid
xsmltxHi, tell me please is there any way to use Lubuntu-core minimal to recognize a touch screen tablet? Thank you.05:03
tsimonq2xsmltx: I don't know if it can be done, please send an email to lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com and we can help you out. :)05:06
xsmltxThank ypu05:06
xsmltxThank ypu05:06
xsmltxThank you tsimonq2, excuse me...05:07
tsimonq2it's fine ;)05:07
xsmltxtsimonq2, tell me please mag05:09
tsimonq2huh?05:10
xsmltxtsimonq2, tell me please maybe you know If I can use on Lubuntu-core minimal Virtual box?05:10
xsmltxMy apologizes again, it's very dark in here...05:11
lynorianxsmltx, virtualbox won't help with the touch screen tablet drivers05:12
tsimonq2xsmltx: if you install Ubuntu Server, then install the lubuntu-core package, you should be good to go05:12
xsmltxI would like to be as neat-light-fast-minimal as possible please... :)05:13
xsmltxlynorian, tell me please I will can't use virtualbox on a touch screen table ?05:14
lynorianyou can use virtualbox05:14
lynorianor if lubuntu is the base you can also use virt-manager05:14
xsmltxtsimonq2, than it means I can't use virtualbox or any other virtual machine on lubuntu-core minimal ?05:15
tsimonq2I'll let you get this lynorian :)05:15
xsmltxOh, ok lynorian, than try virt-manager instead of virtualbox ?05:15
lynorianI think either will work but virt-manager will work if lubuntu is the base what are you running as a guest05:16
xsmltxAnd it will work for sure virt-manager on a Lububutu-core minimal pleas and tell me please, do you know what I have to do that the Lubuntu-core minimal recognize the touch screen, or still ask on lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com ?05:18
lynorianalthough virtualizatoin like this means lots of ram use05:19
xsmltxYes, the tablet has 4 GB, that's why at least the host to be as minimal as possible...05:20
xsmltxI should still ask on  lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com about the touch screen, is it right ?05:21
lynorianyeah virtualbox or virt-manager on 4GB of space will not really work05:22
xsmltxEven if I will virtualize also only for example Kali Linux light ?05:23
xsmltxAnd the host will be with Lubuntu-core minimal ?05:23
lynorianxsmltx, Well I would get the same pacakages as in kali and then put them on lubuntu minimal05:24
lynorianor maybe even just a window manager05:24
xsmltxlynorian, if it would be possible I would like to use those packages if it could be possible in a virtual environment, it could be Lubuntu or Kali...05:27
xsmltxDo I can use virtualbox from openbox?05:28
lynorianyes not sure you will have enough free space05:28
xsmltxBe right back..05:29
HickorySmokedBacWhat's wrong with lubuntu's links? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu07:03
HickorySmokedBacThe requested URL /lubuntu/releases/xenial/release/lubuntu-16.10-desktop-amd64.iso was not found on this server.07:03
ornjhow do I get startx to do all the same stuffs lightdm do?09:01
ornjor: what do I need to put in .xinitrc (?) to make it work like lightdm/do what I need?09:02
LisaevbThe German people have  been systematically vilified because they dared to stand up to the world banking cabal in their own country. See this book: "The Myth of German Villainy" by Benton Bradberry. On YT be sure to check out ALL WARS ARE BANKERS' WARS.11:03
ornjlol ok dude11:04
Lisaevbornj, SORRY MOM, I was WRONG about the "HOLOCAUST" - Monika Schaefer, Green Party Politician: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0_BZphQ7Qo11:05
=== shekelstein is now known as rothsteinR
iorialubuntu 16.10 i386   fails to install  grub on mbr /dev/sda if offline ? anyone knows ?12:12
joedoe47_ioria: that means your drive must have been disconnected while it was writing to the master boot record, are you sure the connections to the drive are secure?12:43
joedoe47_it might have wiggled out, otherwise it might be a bug with the installer.12:43
joedoe47_or the hardware could be failing too.12:44
ioriajoedoe47_, thanx, i tried 3 times, an offline installation ( without eth cable connected) and it fails ... the forth time i connected the cable and selected 'istall updates? and it worked12:44
joedoe47_oh it might be a bug somewhere then:?12:45
ioriajoedoe47_,  i did the usb stick (md5sum confirmed) either with rufus and linupendrive (uui)12:45
ioriajoedoe47_,  i also checked the media for defects12:46
joedoe47_well I generally trust sha256 of sha512 for sums, md5 is sort of simplistic for my paranoid needs... but uh that is why I say its a bug12:47
ioriajoedoe47_,  i see  yes, maybe a bug (idk)  .... i wonder if anyone else experienced the same issue12:48
joedoe47_I have before with 14.04, its probably the installer itself or one of the packages. Its no biggie. You might be able to try an offline install again in like a few weeks and it will be fixed. c:12:50
ioriajoedoe47_,  right. thanks12:50
=== TheMaster is now known as Unit193
happycamperhi guys15:14
happycamperis it worth updating from 16.04 i heard 16.10 is not LTS. untill when is 16.04 supported? help pls im not good with google :P15:15
krakyk89hi there16:45
krakyk89just wanted to ask16:45
krakyk89I have a messed up compaq presario16:45
krakyk891 gb ram, core2duo t6400 2ghz16:46
krakyk89and 250 gigs of hdd16:46
krakyk89can i use it for compiling and executing c programs16:46
krakyk89?16:46
gde33hi17:48
gde33when i do sudo add-apt-repository ppa:xorg-edgers    or   sudo add-apt-repository ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa   it says  "Fout: heeft enkele softwarebron als argument"17:48
gde33whihc translates to error: single software source as argument17:49
gde33I'm trying to get the sis video thing working on 14.04.517:49
gde33oh ic I typed it from a website like apt-add but it should be add-apt17:52
gde33now it says "cannot add ppa: ' ppa:xorg.edgers/ppa' please check that the ppa name or format is correct.17:53
Unit193The exact command should be  sudo add-apt-repository ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa  and as the page says, you shouldn't be using hwe with it.17:54
gde33Unit193: thanks, what does hwe mean?17:59
Unit193Hardware enablement stack.18:00
wxl_!hwe | gde3318:00
ubottugde33: The Ubuntu LTS enablement stacks provide newer kernel and X support for existing LTS releases, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack18:00
Unit193wxl_: You've got a tail.18:00
gde33let me explain the issue first, I have some ancient acer travelmate 2310 that has a SiS M661MX video adapter18:02
gde33when I ran the live usb it seemed reasonable, the resolution was not very high but ok18:02
gde33now, after install it is 64018:02
gde33I read some of the sis video things have been fixed in 14.04 even with hardware acceleration18:03
gde33just not this one18:03
MrFahrenheithas anyone seen this problem: I install a fresh lubuntu 16.04, install libreoffice, and the main menu is all jumbled up and squished together19:03
MrFahrenheithttps://i.imgur.com/aELF5mx.png19:03
MrFahrenheitall other applications look fine, and changing the theme fixes it, until I start the application again19:03
MrFahrenheitthis is what is should look like https://i.imgur.com/JQudHL0.png19:12
=== wxl_ is now known as wxl
ornjyeah19:38
ornjwith serbian/croatian it's hard to tell the difference  :P19:38
MrFahrenheitsame happens in english, I just forgot to change it before taking the screenshot19:39
ornji mean, is Datotekalzmijeni one word or six?19:40
ornj:P19:40
MrFahrenheitcheck the second screenshot :P19:41
ornji figured it out midway between typing it19:41
ornjwhich is why that "l" looked short19:42
ornj"датотека" is a cool word and makes sense19:42
ornjis this maybe more of an LXDE problem?19:44
MrFahrenheitno idea19:46
ornjme neither  :P19:46
ornjjust suggesting you might have luck asking in that chan as well19:46
newnoobso quiet here20:09
wxlnewnoob: as the topic said, go to #lubuntu-offtopic if you want to chat. otherwise, support only happens as needed. need something?20:10
ornjhow do I get startx to do all the same stuffs lightdm do?20:13
ornjor: what do I need to put in .xinitrc (?) to make it work like lightdm/do what I need?20:13
xsmltxHi, tell me please which system emulator is more recommendable for using Lubuntu-core minimal under it please?20:19
gde33+++++++++++++20:20
gde33cat sorry20:20
ornjhaha20:21
gde33best was when he held down delete and deleted all my torrents20:22
gde33but technical queestions, right... why do live usb sticks give me great OS's with wifi and high resolution but the actual install wont?20:23
wxlornj: http://askubuntu.com/questions/391489/cant-use-startx-with-lxde#39149520:30
wxlxsmltx: you want to run lubuntu-core in a virtual machine?20:31
xsmltxwxl, yes please...20:31
wxlgde33: grab additional drivers and you should be good to go. if you want more specific help, we need more specific information.20:31
wxlxsmltx: you can run it in any virtual machine. i like kvm as it's basically built into the default kernel.20:32
wxlxsmltx: of course, if you have a windows host, that's not very helpful. virtualbox works everywhere.20:32
xsmltxThank you very much wxl, I will have more questions soon.. I appreciate20:33
wxlxsmltx: no problem.20:33
ornjwxl>> but, surely, "exec startlxde" alone isn't enough to replicate what lightdm does...?20:33
ornjlike, is there some file I can peek into to see what-all lightdm is doing?20:34
ornjto replicate in the .xinitrc ?20:34
wxlornj: basically what lightdm does, after login, is start up an lxsession. that session includes everything necessary to start lxpanel, openbox, pcmanfm, etc.20:34
wxlornj: if you're trying to replicate what lxsession does, that's a whole different story.20:34
Unit193You may have to  export DESKTOP_SESSION=lubuntu and export XDG_SESSION_DESKTOP=lubuntu20:34
ornjcan i... start up an lxsession with startx ?20:34
* ornj only a little lost20:35
wxlthat's what the answer was about20:35
ornjwxl>> so startlxde starts up an lxsession.20:35
wxlornj: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/en/man1/startlxde.1.html20:35
ornj<320:36
* ornj tips his hat to wxl20:36
wxlornj: here's an older version of startlxde http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/wily/lxde-common/wily/view/head:/startlxde.in20:38
wxlso now you know what it does :)20:38
ornjso if I `sudo apt-get install xorg-xinit' and add `exec startlxde' to the .xinitrc, that should be enough to replicate the behaviour I want?20:38
wxlseems like it20:38
wxlnever done it myself so good luck :)20:39
ornjAH-HA  :D20:39
ornjhaha thx20:39
ornji guess worse comes to worse i uncomment + start over20:39
wxlyuup20:39
wxlyou could run it all in a virtual machine, too20:39
wxlin order to test it out20:39
ornjgotta get me one of those20:40
suitefoot29please tell me how to remove lxde+lubuntu, after installing mate on a lubuntu system20:49
wxlsuitefoot29: i'd check with the mate folks, technically, but removing lubuntu-desktop/core should do the trick.20:50
suitefoot29it didnt work20:50
suitefoot29i removed another app and lubuntu-desktop was removed oto20:50
suitefoot29but nothing else20:50
wxlthen i'd go through the entire list of apps and remove them one at a time20:51
suitefoot29...20:51
wxlwhat i can tell you is that a normal install of lubuntu is a matter of installing lubuntu-desktop, basically20:51
wxlif you remove that, it should remove everything except ubuntu-core20:51
suitefoot29how about this20:51
wxlhowever, i have no idea what you did to yours, nor what the implication of installing mate is20:51
Unit193wxl: Not how metas/tasks work..20:51
suitefoot29i will go "apt-get install --reinstall lubuntu-desktop"20:52
suitefoot29get list20:52
suitefoot29then apt-get remove those things20:52
suitefoot29??20:52
suitefoot29ther is no implication20:52
wxlseems plausible20:52
suitefoot29i just have mate now with lightdm20:52
suitefoot29ok20:52
suitefoot29i will do it now20:52
suitefoot29that doesnt work bec it removes core things too20:53
suitefoot29son of b20:54
wxlwhy don't you just do a fresh install of mate, re-using your old /home?20:54
suitefoot29i dont have time for that20:55
wxlbut you have time to muck around with removing individual packages?20:56
suitefoot29no, that was ur suggestion20:56
gde33wxl: I'm trying different oses atm but if you have an idea how to get SiS M661MX video working (acer travelmate 2310) in 1024 resolution rather than 640 I'm all ears. (The live usb works in 1024)20:57
wxlgde33: need the pci id.20:57
suitefoot29gde33: what is the graphic chip in it20:57
gde33I thought that was the sism661mx20:57
gde33where shall I find further information?20:58
wxlgde33: lspci -nnk | grep -A 3 VGA20:58
gde33k20:58
suitefoot29if it's via, it may only work with debian 720:58
suitefoot29i have a laptop like that and anything deb/ubuntu after that wont render20:59
suitefoot29deb 7 lxde, supported to 201820:59
gde3301:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 661/741/760 PCI/AGP or 66/761Gx PCIE VGA Display Adapter [1039:6330] Subsystem:Acer Incorporated [ALI] 661/741/760 PCI/AGP or 662/761Gx PCIE VGA Display Adapter [1025:008] Kernel modules:sisfb21:06
wxlgde33: here's sisfb's docs which may be useful https://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/fb/sisfb.txt21:08
wxlwhat version of lubuntu, gde33? (lsb_release -a)21:10
suitefoot29gde33: that's via. only debian 7 live will work on it. nothing later, in terms of graphic support resolution21:15
gde33wxl: currently non, which should I try next?21:15
suitefoot29i tried deb 8 and ubuntu and arch on it21:15
suitefoot29u can try lxde21:16
gde33suitefoot29: great, yes I was trying lxle but it fails21:16
suitefoot29the live one off usb, to see if it boots up properly21:16
suitefoot29or u can install regular one21:16
gde33the live versions of lubuntu and lxle work just fine21:17
suitefoot29good job21:17
gde33with the right resolution21:17
wxlthen grabbing the new drivers should solve the problem21:17
gde33wxl: just running update and upgrade didn't work, should I perhaps skip the propriatary stuff?21:18
suitefoot29should21:18
wxlgde33: not that21:18
wxlhttp://askubuntu.com/questions/47506/how-do-i-install-additional-drivers21:18
gde33I tried finding new drivers from the software center > ppa page via some short cut, would that boil down to the same check?21:20
wxlnope21:20
wxla ppa is, generally, an unsupported mechanism of obtaining software21:20
gde33ill remake the lubuntu usb, will take a bit21:21
ornjmight I want startlubuntu instead of startlxde ?21:47
wxldon't believe so21:47
wxlin precise there was a startlubuntu21:48
ornjok21:48
ornjso startlxde shoudl include all lubuntu theming, etc.?21:48
wxlnot since21:48
wxl*should*21:48
wxlbut again, you're a bit on your own with the whole thing21:48
ornjgrazie, signiore21:48
ornjhaha great21:49
wxlwell it's just a bit outside of the norm21:49
wxli've never done this before and i doubt anyone else has21:49
wxlit's not like it's one of the goals of the lubuntu project :)21:49
lynorianYeah I have never really set this up myself either21:54
ornjdisabling a dm is that uncommon?21:56
ornjis that what we're referring to?21:56
wxlyes21:57
lynorianyes21:57
ornjoh21:57
ornj:/21:58
* ornj weird nerd21:58
gde33lol this is going so fast! I'm already running the installer now :P23:05
gde33everything imaginable went wrong23:05
gde33I make an ubuntu 16 live usb which was aweful, the ui doesn't work in 640 resolution at all, no wifi, no way to do driver updates23:07
gde33now I'm back to installing lubuntu23:07
gde33wxl: aditional drivers in the latest ubuntu brings up software & updates23:24
gde33wxl: same in lubuntu23:24

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