[05:03] <xsmltx> Hi, tell me please is there any way to use Lubuntu-core minimal to recognize a touch screen tablet? Thank you.
[05:06] <tsimonq2> xsmltx: I don't know if it can be done, please send an email to lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com and we can help you out. :)
[05:06] <xsmltx> Thank ypu
[05:06] <xsmltx> Thank ypu
[05:07] <xsmltx> Thank you tsimonq2, excuse me...
[05:07] <tsimonq2> it's fine ;)
[05:09] <xsmltx> tsimonq2, tell me please mag
[05:10] <tsimonq2> huh?
[05:10] <xsmltx> tsimonq2, tell me please maybe you know If I can use on Lubuntu-core minimal Virtual box?
[05:11] <xsmltx> My apologizes again, it's very dark in here...
[05:12] <lynorian> xsmltx, virtualbox won't help with the touch screen tablet drivers
[05:12] <tsimonq2> xsmltx: if you install Ubuntu Server, then install the lubuntu-core package, you should be good to go
[05:13] <xsmltx> I would like to be as neat-light-fast-minimal as possible please... :)
[05:14] <xsmltx> lynorian, tell me please I will can't use virtualbox on a touch screen table ?
[05:14] <lynorian> you can use virtualbox
[05:14] <lynorian> or if lubuntu is the base you can also use virt-manager
[05:15] <xsmltx> tsimonq2, than it means I can't use virtualbox or any other virtual machine on lubuntu-core minimal ?
[05:15] <tsimonq2> I'll let you get this lynorian :)
[05:15] <xsmltx> Oh, ok lynorian, than try virt-manager instead of virtualbox ?
[05:16] <lynorian> I think either will work but virt-manager will work if lubuntu is the base what are you running as a guest
[05:18] <xsmltx> And it will work for sure virt-manager on a Lububutu-core minimal pleas and tell me please, do you know what I have to do that the Lubuntu-core minimal recognize the touch screen, or still ask on lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com ?
[05:19] <lynorian> although virtualizatoin like this means lots of ram use
[05:20] <xsmltx> Yes, the tablet has 4 GB, that's why at least the host to be as minimal as possible...
[05:21] <xsmltx> I should still ask on  lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com about the touch screen, is it right ?
[05:22] <lynorian> yeah virtualbox or virt-manager on 4GB of space will not really work
[05:23] <xsmltx> Even if I will virtualize also only for example Kali Linux light ?
[05:23] <xsmltx> And the host will be with Lubuntu-core minimal ?
[05:24] <lynorian> xsmltx, Well I would get the same pacakages as in kali and then put them on lubuntu minimal
[05:24] <lynorian> or maybe even just a window manager
[05:27] <xsmltx> lynorian, if it would be possible I would like to use those packages if it could be possible in a virtual environment, it could be Lubuntu or Kali...
[05:28] <xsmltx> Do I can use virtualbox from openbox?
[05:28] <lynorian> yes not sure you will have enough free space
[05:29] <xsmltx> Be right back..
[07:03] <HickorySmokedBac> What's wrong with lubuntu's links? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu
[07:03] <HickorySmokedBac> The requested URL /lubuntu/releases/xenial/release/lubuntu-16.10-desktop-amd64.iso was not found on this server.
[09:01] <ornj> how do I get startx to do all the same stuffs lightdm do?
[09:02] <ornj> or: what do I need to put in .xinitrc (?) to make it work like lightdm/do what I need?
[11:03] <Lisaevb> The German people have  been systematically vilified because they dared to stand up to the world banking cabal in their own country. See this book: "The Myth of German Villainy" by Benton Bradberry. On YT be sure to check out ALL WARS ARE BANKERS' WARS.﻿
[11:04] <ornj> lol ok dude
[11:05] <Lisaevb> ornj, SORRY MOM, I was WRONG about the "HOLOCAUST" - Monika Schaefer, Green Party Politician: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0_BZphQ7Qo
[12:12] <ioria> lubuntu 16.10 i386   fails to install  grub on mbr /dev/sda if offline ? anyone knows ?
[12:43] <joedoe47_> ioria: that means your drive must have been disconnected while it was writing to the master boot record, are you sure the connections to the drive are secure?
[12:43] <joedoe47_> it might have wiggled out, otherwise it might be a bug with the installer.
[12:44] <joedoe47_> or the hardware could be failing too.
[12:44] <ioria> joedoe47_, thanx, i tried 3 times, an offline installation ( without eth cable connected) and it fails ... the forth time i connected the cable and selected 'istall updates? and it worked
[12:45] <joedoe47_> oh it might be a bug somewhere then:?
[12:45] <ioria> joedoe47_,  i did the usb stick (md5sum confirmed) either with rufus and linupendrive (uui)
[12:46] <ioria> joedoe47_,  i also checked the media for defects
[12:47] <joedoe47_> well I generally trust sha256 of sha512 for sums, md5 is sort of simplistic for my paranoid needs... but uh that is why I say its a bug
[12:48] <ioria> joedoe47_,  i see  yes, maybe a bug (idk)  .... i wonder if anyone else experienced the same issue
[12:50] <joedoe47_> I have before with 14.04, its probably the installer itself or one of the packages. Its no biggie. You might be able to try an offline install again in like a few weeks and it will be fixed. c:
[12:50] <ioria> joedoe47_,  right. thanks
[15:14] <happycamper> hi guys
[15:15] <happycamper> is it worth updating from 16.04 i heard 16.10 is not LTS. untill when is 16.04 supported? help pls im not good with google :P
[16:45] <krakyk89> hi there
[16:45] <krakyk89> just wanted to ask
[16:45] <krakyk89> I have a messed up compaq presario
[16:46] <krakyk89> 1 gb ram, core2duo t6400 2ghz
[16:46] <krakyk89> and 250 gigs of hdd
[16:46] <krakyk89> can i use it for compiling and executing c programs
[16:46] <krakyk89> ?
[17:48] <gde33> hi
[17:48] <gde33> when i do sudo add-apt-repository ppa:xorg-edgers    or   sudo add-apt-repository ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa   it says  "Fout: heeft enkele softwarebron als argument"
[17:49] <gde33> whihc translates to error: single software source as argument
[17:49] <gde33> I'm trying to get the sis video thing working on 14.04.5
[17:52] <gde33> oh ic I typed it from a website like apt-add but it should be add-apt
[17:53] <gde33> now it says "cannot add ppa: ' ppa:xorg.edgers/ppa' please check that the ppa name or format is correct.
[17:54] <Unit193> The exact command should be  sudo add-apt-repository ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa  and as the page says, you shouldn't be using hwe with it.
[17:59] <gde33> Unit193: thanks, what does hwe mean?
[18:00] <Unit193> Hardware enablement stack.
[18:00] <wxl_> !hwe | gde33
[18:00] <Unit193> wxl_: You've got a tail.
[18:02] <gde33> let me explain the issue first, I have some ancient acer travelmate 2310 that has a SiS M661MX video adapter
[18:02] <gde33> when I ran the live usb it seemed reasonable, the resolution was not very high but ok
[18:02] <gde33> now, after install it is 640
[18:03] <gde33> I read some of the sis video things have been fixed in 14.04 even with hardware acceleration
[18:03] <gde33> just not this one
[19:03] <MrFahrenheit> has anyone seen this problem: I install a fresh lubuntu 16.04, install libreoffice, and the main menu is all jumbled up and squished together
[19:03] <MrFahrenheit> https://i.imgur.com/aELF5mx.png
[19:03] <MrFahrenheit> all other applications look fine, and changing the theme fixes it, until I start the application again
[19:12] <MrFahrenheit> this is what is should look like https://i.imgur.com/JQudHL0.png
[19:38] <ornj> yeah
[19:38] <ornj> with serbian/croatian it's hard to tell the difference  :P
[19:39] <MrFahrenheit> same happens in english, I just forgot to change it before taking the screenshot
[19:40] <ornj> i mean, is Datotekalzmijeni one word or six?
[19:40] <ornj> :P
[19:41] <MrFahrenheit> check the second screenshot :P
[19:41] <ornj> i figured it out midway between typing it
[19:42] <ornj> which is why that "l" looked short
[19:42] <ornj> "датотека" is a cool word and makes sense
[19:44] <ornj> is this maybe more of an LXDE problem?
[19:46] <MrFahrenheit> no idea
[19:46] <ornj> me neither  :P
[19:46] <ornj> just suggesting you might have luck asking in that chan as well
[20:09] <newnoob> so quiet here
[20:10] <wxl> newnoob: as the topic said, go to #lubuntu-offtopic if you want to chat. otherwise, support only happens as needed. need something?
[20:13] <ornj> how do I get startx to do all the same stuffs lightdm do?
[20:13] <ornj> or: what do I need to put in .xinitrc (?) to make it work like lightdm/do what I need?
[20:19] <xsmltx> Hi, tell me please which system emulator is more recommendable for using Lubuntu-core minimal under it please?
[20:20] <gde33> +++++++++++++
[20:20] <gde33> cat sorry
[20:21] <ornj> haha
[20:22] <gde33> best was when he held down delete and deleted all my torrents
[20:23] <gde33> but technical queestions, right... why do live usb sticks give me great OS's with wifi and high resolution but the actual install wont?
[20:30] <wxl> ornj: http://askubuntu.com/questions/391489/cant-use-startx-with-lxde#391495
[20:31] <wxl> xsmltx: you want to run lubuntu-core in a virtual machine?
[20:31] <xsmltx> wxl, yes please...
[20:31] <wxl> gde33: grab additional drivers and you should be good to go. if you want more specific help, we need more specific information.
[20:32] <wxl> xsmltx: you can run it in any virtual machine. i like kvm as it's basically built into the default kernel.
[20:32] <wxl> xsmltx: of course, if you have a windows host, that's not very helpful. virtualbox works everywhere.
[20:33] <xsmltx> Thank you very much wxl, I will have more questions soon.. I appreciate
[20:33] <wxl> xsmltx: no problem.
[20:33] <ornj> wxl>> but, surely, "exec startlxde" alone isn't enough to replicate what lightdm does...?
[20:34] <ornj> like, is there some file I can peek into to see what-all lightdm is doing?
[20:34] <ornj> to replicate in the .xinitrc ?
[20:34] <wxl> ornj: basically what lightdm does, after login, is start up an lxsession. that session includes everything necessary to start lxpanel, openbox, pcmanfm, etc.
[20:34] <wxl> ornj: if you're trying to replicate what lxsession does, that's a whole different story.
[20:34] <Unit193> You may have to  export DESKTOP_SESSION=lubuntu and export XDG_SESSION_DESKTOP=lubuntu
[20:34] <ornj> can i... start up an lxsession with startx ?
[20:35]  * ornj only a little lost
[20:35] <wxl> that's what the answer was about
[20:35] <ornj> wxl>> so startlxde starts up an lxsession.
[20:35] <wxl> ornj: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/en/man1/startlxde.1.html
[20:36] <ornj> <3
[20:36]  * ornj tips his hat to wxl
[20:38] <wxl> ornj: here's an older version of startlxde http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/wily/lxde-common/wily/view/head:/startlxde.in
[20:38] <wxl> so now you know what it does :)
[20:38] <ornj> so if I `sudo apt-get install xorg-xinit' and add `exec startlxde' to the .xinitrc, that should be enough to replicate the behaviour I want?
[20:38] <wxl> seems like it
[20:39] <wxl> never done it myself so good luck :)
[20:39] <ornj> AH-HA  :D
[20:39] <ornj> haha thx
[20:39] <ornj> i guess worse comes to worse i uncomment + start over
[20:39] <wxl> yuup
[20:39] <wxl> you could run it all in a virtual machine, too
[20:39] <wxl> in order to test it out
[20:40] <ornj> gotta get me one of those
[20:49] <suitefoot29> please tell me how to remove lxde+lubuntu, after installing mate on a lubuntu system
[20:50] <wxl> suitefoot29: i'd check with the mate folks, technically, but removing lubuntu-desktop/core should do the trick.
[20:50] <suitefoot29> it didnt work
[20:50] <suitefoot29> i removed another app and lubuntu-desktop was removed oto
[20:50] <suitefoot29> but nothing else
[20:51] <wxl> then i'd go through the entire list of apps and remove them one at a time
[20:51] <suitefoot29> ...
[20:51] <wxl> what i can tell you is that a normal install of lubuntu is a matter of installing lubuntu-desktop, basically
[20:51] <wxl> if you remove that, it should remove everything except ubuntu-core
[20:51] <suitefoot29> how about this
[20:51] <wxl> however, i have no idea what you did to yours, nor what the implication of installing mate is
[20:51] <Unit193> wxl: Not how metas/tasks work..
[20:52] <suitefoot29> i will go "apt-get install --reinstall lubuntu-desktop"
[20:52] <suitefoot29> get list
[20:52] <suitefoot29> then apt-get remove those things
[20:52] <suitefoot29> ??
[20:52] <suitefoot29> ther is no implication
[20:52] <wxl> seems plausible
[20:52] <suitefoot29> i just have mate now with lightdm
[20:52] <suitefoot29> ok
[20:52] <suitefoot29> i will do it now
[20:53] <suitefoot29> that doesnt work bec it removes core things too
[20:54] <suitefoot29> son of b
[20:54] <wxl> why don't you just do a fresh install of mate, re-using your old /home?
[20:55] <suitefoot29> i dont have time for that
[20:56] <wxl> but you have time to muck around with removing individual packages?
[20:56] <suitefoot29> no, that was ur suggestion
[20:57] <gde33> wxl: I'm trying different oses atm but if you have an idea how to get SiS M661MX video working (acer travelmate 2310) in 1024 resolution rather than 640 I'm all ears. (The live usb works in 1024)
[20:57] <wxl> gde33: need the pci id.
[20:57] <suitefoot29> gde33: what is the graphic chip in it
[20:57] <gde33> I thought that was the sism661mx
[20:58] <gde33> where shall I find further information?
[20:58] <wxl> gde33: lspci -nnk | grep -A 3 VGA
[20:58] <gde33> k
[20:58] <suitefoot29> if it's via, it may only work with debian 7
[20:59] <suitefoot29> i have a laptop like that and anything deb/ubuntu after that wont render
[20:59] <suitefoot29> deb 7 lxde, supported to 2018
[21:06] <gde33> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 661/741/760 PCI/AGP or 66/761Gx PCIE VGA Display Adapter [1039:6330] Subsystem:Acer Incorporated [ALI] 661/741/760 PCI/AGP or 662/761Gx PCIE VGA Display Adapter [1025:008] Kernel modules:sisfb
[21:08] <wxl> gde33: here's sisfb's docs which may be useful https://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/fb/sisfb.txt
[21:10] <wxl> what version of lubuntu, gde33? (lsb_release -a)
[21:15] <suitefoot29> gde33: that's via. only debian 7 live will work on it. nothing later, in terms of graphic support resolution
[21:15] <gde33> wxl: currently non, which should I try next?
[21:15] <suitefoot29> i tried deb 8 and ubuntu and arch on it
[21:16] <suitefoot29> u can try lxde
[21:16] <gde33> suitefoot29: great, yes I was trying lxle but it fails
[21:16] <suitefoot29> the live one off usb, to see if it boots up properly
[21:16] <suitefoot29> or u can install regular one
[21:17] <gde33> the live versions of lubuntu and lxle work just fine
[21:17] <suitefoot29> good job
[21:17] <gde33> with the right resolution
[21:17] <wxl> then grabbing the new drivers should solve the problem
[21:18] <gde33> wxl: just running update and upgrade didn't work, should I perhaps skip the propriatary stuff?
[21:18] <suitefoot29> should
[21:18] <wxl> gde33: not that
[21:18] <wxl> http://askubuntu.com/questions/47506/how-do-i-install-additional-drivers
[21:20] <gde33> I tried finding new drivers from the software center > ppa page via some short cut, would that boil down to the same check?
[21:20] <wxl> nope
[21:20] <wxl> a ppa is, generally, an unsupported mechanism of obtaining software
[21:21] <gde33> ill remake the lubuntu usb, will take a bit
[21:47] <ornj> might I want startlubuntu instead of startlxde ?
[21:47] <wxl> don't believe so
[21:48] <wxl> in precise there was a startlubuntu
[21:48] <ornj> ok
[21:48] <ornj> so startlxde shoudl include all lubuntu theming, etc.?
[21:48] <wxl> not since
[21:48] <wxl> *should*
[21:48] <wxl> but again, you're a bit on your own with the whole thing
[21:48] <ornj> grazie, signiore
[21:49] <ornj> haha great
[21:49] <wxl> well it's just a bit outside of the norm
[21:49] <wxl> i've never done this before and i doubt anyone else has
[21:49] <wxl> it's not like it's one of the goals of the lubuntu project :)
[21:54] <lynorian> Yeah I have never really set this up myself either
[21:56] <ornj> disabling a dm is that uncommon?
[21:56] <ornj> is that what we're referring to?
[21:57] <wxl> yes
[21:57] <lynorian> yes
[21:57] <ornj> oh
[21:58] <ornj> :/
[21:58]  * ornj weird nerd
[23:05] <gde33> lol this is going so fast! I'm already running the installer now :P
[23:05] <gde33> everything imaginable went wrong
[23:07] <gde33> I make an ubuntu 16 live usb which was aweful, the ui doesn't work in 640 resolution at all, no wifi, no way to do driver updates
[23:07] <gde33> now I'm back to installing lubuntu
[23:24] <gde33> wxl: aditional drivers in the latest ubuntu brings up software & updates
[23:24] <gde33> wxl: same in lubuntu