[00:45] anyone know if someones gonna bring kde1 to kubuntu? [04:08] Hi, I am having trouble switching to intel from nvidia-367 (using prime-select intel). Switching to intel gives black screen. Running kubuntu 16.10 [04:14] lspci output https://paste.kde.org/pdqw755ig [04:17] fayaz: please ask on #ubuntu -- it's a bigger channel, and not a kubuntu difficulty in particular [04:18] valorie: okay === Krassnine is now known as AIvaroMolina [04:42] A L V A R O M O L I N A [04:42] A L V A R O M O L I N A [04:42] A L V A R O M O L I N A [04:42] A L V A R O M O L I N A [04:42] A L V A R O M O L I N A [05:10] if I am running Trusty, what happens if I update my repos to Xenial and not specifically do a dist-upgrade?... [05:12] (I'm asking to get some idea of how this affects WSL ... because it doesn't have a kernel etc... at least not in the filesystem, it probably runs a s a part of the lsxx program on the windows side somehow... ) [05:13] so upgrading whatever part of it are ubuntu packages to = the Xenial ones does that in effect upgrade to Xenial from Trusty or not? [05:15] G'morning. [05:15] How do I stop the screen from locking due to inactivity? [05:16] I though I just untick certain boxes in the energy saving setting but this stupid machine still locks the screen shortly after inactivity [05:16] Just reporting that Kubuntu 16.10 will start with 1GB [05:17] but it is not much fun besides shells and one Konversation [05:17] I getting 2GB more to this as I figure out some money [05:19] Hi all. Dunno if I'm blind, but I can't find the system requirements listed for 16.10. Can someone share this? Thanks [05:47] ForgeAus: that's a rather dangerous way to upgrade [05:48] apt/dpkg are there to keep your system safe [05:48] jubo2: search for lock in krunner [05:48] alt+f2 [05:48] who said anything about not using apt/dpkg? [05:48] or alt+space [05:49] well, you would be circumventing it [05:49] no [05:49] if you update trusty to xenial in the repos, upgrades still run through apt/dpkg [05:50] the dist-upgrade uses apt/dpkg too [05:50] I've done an upgrade that way one: to get to the next version when it's just been open for development [05:50] (it might do its own other stuff as well... part of that process is exactly that, updating the repos) [05:50] in other words, a mere change of names [05:50] hi [05:50] yes, but there are built-in checks [05:50] probably yes [05:50] how can I update to kubuntu 16.10 from terminal. [05:51] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/YakketyUpgrades/Kubuntu [05:51] you would be removing part of those checks [05:51] it also knows the list of packages to add/remove [05:51] ^ the above link uses discover [05:51] sudo apt dist-upgrade does nothing. [05:51] its not just apt [05:51] ForgeAus: also, that is an upgrade from Plasma 4 to Plasma 5 [05:51] its apt-get paranoiddabhi [05:51] it's really better to do a backup and fresh install [05:51] ForgeAus, ? [05:52] paranoidabhi: what are you running now? [05:52] kubuntu 16.04 [05:52] ForgeAus, apt also works :) [05:52] paranoidabhi: step one, fully update [05:52] valorie, yeah done. [05:52] `sudo ap update && sudo apt dist-upgrade` [05:52] ok [05:53] then you need to uncheck the LTS in muon package manager or discover [05:53] hm, hello. Does anyone know of a small (under 200mb) linux rescue disk? My system disk died and I urgently need to get some data out of my /home, but i just got mobile data to download. i tried asking in other channels but no one answers, and I am running out of battery. sorry for being slightly off-topic but I am seriously out of options [05:53] I don't know an easy way to do that via the commandline since it involves editing a file [05:53] !rescue | fomalhaut-XII [05:53] fomalhaut-XII: If your system fails to boot normally, it may be useful to boot it into recovery mode. For instructions, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveryMode [05:54] oops [05:54] fomalhaut - I guess you could check out PuppyLinux ... [05:54] valorie, changing the discover somehow doesn't reflect in the cmdline. [05:54] can you tell what config file to edit. [05:54] paranoidabhi: then do `sudo do-release-upgrade` [05:56] damn, webchat kicked me out somehow [05:56] anyway as i was saying [05:56] PuppyLinux is not always an ubuntu-based system but it might be enough to get you out of trouble or at least read your drives... [05:56] puppy linux seems it could work, but does it read ext4? [05:56] should be able to [05:56] I literally just need to read a single file, to retrieve the password for the shared wifi here [05:57] but I'm not about to guarantee it, you might need some more research there but I doubt that will be a problem [05:57] after that i can just download a kubuntu 16.10 install from wifi [05:57] is there any news on kde5.8 in kubuntu? [05:57] PCLinuxOS had a minime too but I don't know if it was smaller than 200mb [05:57] and its an even more foreign system than puppy [05:57] will it available in kubuntu 16.10 or 16.04 sometime soon? [05:58] paranoidabhi: we're planning it as soon as possible [05:58] for 16.10 at lease [05:58] least [05:58] I am running out of battery, so I don't have much time for research, unfortunately. Any small rescue disk will do, as long as it's small enough to download on cell phone data [05:58] valorie, cool [05:58] since there is a new enough Qt version [05:58] valorie, note: plasma5 is one of the reasons I was thinking of going Xenial [05:58] unsure if they will update the LTS with a new enough Qt [05:59] that's not up to us [05:59] valorie, but how does neon do it with 16.04? [05:59] don't hey have the same old qt [05:59] hey-they [06:00] paranoidabhi: they don't have to care about Ubuntu [06:00] valorie, why? [06:00] is there any other channel I can go for help? I tried #linux but i can't send messages there for some reason. (i just made out this nickname on the spot, so I don't think it's banned or anything) [06:00] because they only use the Ubuntu core -- they are not a flavor [06:00] my battery i literally on the red [06:00] fomalhaut-xii_: try https://www.system-rescue-cd.org/SystemRescueCd_Homepage [06:00] won't the packages break with qt conflicts? [06:00] it's small enough to fit on a CD [06:01] paranoidabhi: they respin everything [06:01] sounds very good but it's huge, I don't have enough data to download it :( [06:01] qt has nothing to do with the ubuntu base [06:01] valorie, sry for lack of info. can you explain the difference btw ubuntu core and ubuntu flavor. [06:01] note Valorie the current WSL (or what I think of as lxss) doesn't have dist-upgrade support yet... I think the insider preview of Windows10's version does... so its likely the next full release win10 upgrade will too... (also chroot support) ... [06:01] cell phone service in my country is kind of crap, i got 600mb only, and i probably alreadyused 150-200 looking around [06:02] the flavors are unity-desktop, kubuntu, lubuntu, MATE, gnome-desktop, etc. [06:02] but currently without that I'm not sure if it can go from Trusty to Xenial ... [06:02] all part of the ubuntu community [06:02] neon is not part of that [06:02] ForgeAus: you CAN [06:03] I've done it [06:03] oh :) ok [06:03] so just update the repos then? [06:03] however, it is best to back up, and do a fresh install [06:03] a fresh install will install trusty [06:03] you are likely to break your system that way [06:03] with my current version of win10 [06:03] (I don't have the insider preview) [06:03] ForgeAus: ? you can download any of the ISOs [06:03] and I'm not looking to get it [06:04] valorie, ok, but am unsure how that relates to the qt conflict/ [06:04] I can download an ISO but which one, and why? [06:04] if you want xenial, download that [06:04] it is much faster, for starters [06:04] a fresh install is fresh [06:05] valorie I think you are failing to realize something [06:05] paranoidabhi: Ubuntu uses Qt for unity and for their phone project [06:05] I didn't install trusty from an ISO either [06:05] it isn't exactly a full Trusty... [06:05] they do not want to upgrade Qt as fast as we want it [06:05] oh, you are using wubi? [06:05] no [06:06] wubi afaik is dead [06:06] its Windows 10's relatively recent Services for Linux (an ubuntu subsystem built into windows 10) [06:06] ah [06:06] it doesn't even have a kernel in the filesystem [06:06] gotcha [06:06] I haven't a clue [06:06] !win [06:06] um [06:06] valorie, but kubuntu doesn't have unity, so why does qt change matter? [06:06] which is why it doesn't have dist-upgrade support yet [06:06] !ubu-win [06:06] huh [06:07] valorie, do all flavors have the same versions of packages? [06:07] ForgeAus: please do a full backup first [06:07] paranoidabhi: yes [06:07] there is one archive [06:07] I don't mind backing up or not I can redo trusty from scratch with no problem [06:07] its Xenial that I'm worried about [06:07] I haven't saved any data there or anything anyway [06:07] there is a channel [06:07] I'm just not sure what it is [06:08] I don't think #Interix had a channel [06:08] valorie, what are the advantages of kubuntu over neon? [06:08] (WSL basically replaced it, because Interix got deprocated) [06:08] paranoidabhi stability with the LTS releases for one [06:08] #ubuntu-on-windows is the chan [06:08] thx valorie :) [06:08] ForgeAus, hmmm.. both have that [06:09] paranoidabhi: we focus on elegance and everything working together [06:09] neon has LTS support? oh ok [06:09] they focus on getting the latest out the door asap [06:09] bbl have fun :_ [06:09] valorie, can you explain more on it. By working together you mean. [06:09] ForgeAus: not that I've heard [06:10] that is sort of the opposite of what they want to provide [06:10] we want you to be able to use any package in the archive, for instance [06:10] whether it is from KDE or not [06:11] neon provides a small subset of KDE applications [06:11] growing, but still small [06:11] I think we provide them all [06:11] valorie, but we can install them in neon right? [06:12] I'm not saying that you can't use neon the same way you use kubuntu [06:12] and vice versa [06:12] people use kubuntu and build part of their own applications etc. [06:12] I used to do that [06:12] but we have different focuses [06:13] ok from I have understood. Kubuntu offers larger kde packages and they are better tested to work together? [06:13] yes, certainly [06:14] I've been testing Yakkety for six months [06:14] as have quite a few others [06:14] neon is created in order to test stuff [06:15] Are there other advantages outside of kde packages as well? [06:16] I guess that depends on whether or not you consider the ubuntu community an advantage [06:16] I do [06:16] valorie, can you explain more on that please. [06:17] for instance, at the beginning of next month, I'll be sharing a table at a local FOSS show (SeaGL) with other ubuntu community members [06:17] Ubuntu sends us a convention kit with swag to give away [06:17] is paying for our hotel [06:17] etc. [06:18] the community sent me to Akademy this summer for our Kubuntu meeting there [06:18] it's great [06:19] kubuntu xenial use lower qt than kde neon xenial. Now I install some package that requires qt in both. How does the package know which qt I have. Will fail in kde-neon vs kubuntu? [06:20] that depends [06:20] maybe [06:20] valorie, if possible can you please explain more. Sry I am a newbie [06:20] I don't know [06:20] I've not had a chance to install KDE neon yet [06:21] and I would never mix packages like that [06:22] I'd rather run one or the other in a VM [06:22] I am saying that when I install packages in kubuntu. The packages are meant to work with the given xenial versions for dependencies? [06:23] every version has their own packages [06:23] In neon, if you change the qt, the new packages to be installed won't work. Because they would assume because I am using xenial I would have old qt. [06:24] well, the supported ones [06:24] older [06:24] not OLD [06:25] yes sry older qt [06:26] [Print] key don't work. [Alt]+[Print] works well. [Meta]+[Print] works well. [06:27] Sorry, ... just after the 16.04 upgrade [06:29] so kde-neon+testing+more-packages(kde and others)=kubuntu [06:43] paranoidabhi: neon is always built on an LTS base [06:44] on Kubuntu you can stay on the LTS and get backports and updates, OR upgrade once every six months [06:45] valorie, can't we get the backports in neon as well? [06:46] what would be the point? [06:46] updates in neon are from git for the devel spin, or latest releases for user [06:47] valorie, but backports isn't limited to the desktop, it may include other thing as well. Please correct me if I am wrong. [06:49] perhaps they include ubuntu-backports [06:49] dunno [06:49] they give you fresh frameworks and fresh plasma as well as fresh apps [07:18] The Global Keyboard Shortcuts settings are correct [KDE Daemon]>Action [Print Screen]>Global [Print], but the key don't work : why ? [07:19] paranoidabhi: as You know, Neon uses a much new Qt that they built themselves and supply. *most* KDE/QT application are fine with a newer QT, but some specifically require the ABI of an earlier version [07:21] that means that Neon Qt breaks some things in the ubuntu archive. some they rebuild in their own repos. many they don't bother with [07:22] Sorry, my versions are: Kubuntu 16.10 - KDE Plasma: 5.7.5 KDE Frameworks: 5.26.0 Qt: 5.6.1 Kernel: 4.8.0-22-generic OS Type: 64-bit [07:22] as they are not core KDE things, Neon can choose to not care that some things break. kubuntu when doing a backport and supplying a new QT DOES have to have concern as to what a new QT would do to non kubuntu packages in the archive [07:24] user|1512: what application do you have set to launch? [07:26] [Meta]+[Print] runs Spectacle [07:26] but just [Print] doesn't [07:26] acheronuk, thanks that makes sense. [07:27] user|1512: hmmm... PrntScm launches spectacle here [07:28] *PrtScn [07:30] No, after the upgrade from 16.04 to 16.10 the PrntScn launches nothing [07:32] My system's lost the connection between Action and app to lunch [07:33] Any idea ? [07:35] Sorry, I must leave ... see you soon. Bye! [07:43] LarisMourullo was removed by: LarisMourullo === jayhunold is now known as jhunold [09:35] i ! Anyone knows how to see my agendas in the calendar with plasma 5.7? They don't appear in the configuration window (I only see "Holidays") === fml is now known as wolfgang_ === wolfgang_ is now known as fml === fml is now known as _5ml [10:11] hello everyone [10:12] O/ [10:12] maybe I'm a bit lame, but I couldn't find a minimal cd download for kubuntu 16.10. is there any? [10:13] so called network install cd [10:14] Did you look for the Ubuntu one? [10:14] Kubuntu [10:15] IIRC the Ubuntu minimal iso van Be used to installatie Kubuntu. [10:15] aaah [10:15] perfect [10:16] thank you :) [10:17] No problem [10:23] cu [10:32] Is there any way I can know the status of Plasma 5.7 for Kubuntu 16.04 backports? [10:37] FlameReaper-PC: im not 100% sure but i think Plasma 5.8 will land thare after it is in ZZ than YY [10:37] acheronuk: ^ can you confirm? [10:40] soee: plasma 5.7.5 is staged, but not fully tested. Plasma 5.8 is planned if it can be done once ZZ has it [10:41] soee: personally I am somewhat in favour of just skipping 5.7 and doing 5.8 for 16.04, but that is a team decision [10:49] acheronuk: I suppose that means somewhere within next year? === tarator85 is now known as tarator [10:52] FlameReaper-PC: I would hope a few weeks. [10:55] acheronuk: thanks. I have been wondering why the backports seemed frozen for quite some time [10:56] FlameReaper-PC: several reasons. we would need an updated QT version, which kubuntu can only do with a GREAT deal of care, so as not to break ubuntu packages [11:00] FlameReaper-PC: Yakkety QT transition and therefore plasma/tw was a long time coming, so backports from that get delayed [11:01] FlameReaper-PC: we have been a bit shorthanded due to some team members having a life outside kubuntu :p [11:02] well, when it gets done it gets done I suppose. [11:02] FlameReaper-PC: and getting yakkety done generally means things like backports go a little put on the back burner [11:02] as a production machine I should not be a rush to upgrade [11:02] *in a rush [11:05] FlameReaper-PC: this is true. for example on plasma 5.8, instead opf rushing 5.8.0 out the door as soon as it is release with lots of new bugs, it's probably better to have 5.8.4 or 5 as an upgrade by which time most nasty bugs will have been squashed [11:05] And 5.8.0 would be premature anyway. I am running 5.8.1 and it seems stable enough, but 5.8.2 should be coming soon (tm). [11:07] mparillo: 5.8.3 is released in Nov 1st :) [11:07] also since I am using fcitx for japanese text input (not a japanese, but I do go to Japanese sites) it seems the Qt5 frontend for it has yet to be built against KDE 5.7 [11:08] FlameReaper-PC: that is on out list of things that would break with new QT, yes [11:10] already have a test build of that against Qt 5.6.1 if I recall [11:21] Hey folks [11:35] help me ... instal metasploit? [11:35] Hello [11:36] hi friends [11:37] I am trying to install KSuperkey on a fresh install of Kubuntu 16.10. But when I try to set Alt+F1 as application launcher shortcut it just wont accept it [11:37] What can I do? [11:39] init1, https://github.com/rapid7/metasploit-framework/wiki/Nightly-Installers [11:42] ok thanks, and how to install and repository kubuntu [11:59] how to install metasploit and repository? [11:59] iam from indonesian === tarator85 is now known as tarator [13:22] Hello [13:23] Anybody ? [13:23] I need some help please [13:24] Just ask [13:25] !ask | user|59898 [13:25] user|59898: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience [13:27] Ok thanks [13:28] Where it says, less than 2 GB of RAM it doesn't exactly say the minimum required, because sometimes we use old machines that can't run Microsoft so what is the minimum requirement in terms of RAM Please? [13:29] Funny we were chatting about this yesterday. I said I could live with Kubuntu on 1GB of RAM on my netbook, but somebody else said it was too painful. [13:30] I have kubuntu running on an Atom netbook with 1GB, however is not the fastest thing in the world [13:32] I would say, try it and see if it meets your needs, if not maybe try with something lighter like lubuntu [13:33] Did anyone figured how to display the agendas from Korganizer in the calendar ? [13:34] is Lubuntu lighter in your opinion? I have been using Xubuntu but it's slightly havier [13:34] ? [13:36] I think it is, but havent use it in a while [13:39] Well I can't even download it, on their website since the link is dead [13:43] http://lubuntu.me/, there it started downloading for me [13:47] thanks IrcsomeBot [13:47] lol [13:49] Guess that what people from the telegram group look like in the irc :) [14:18] General question actually, but it's to create a Kubuntu installer USB: what's the best/easiest way nowadays? unetbootin has given me problems in the past. [14:25] Let's try just dd... [14:36] There was a better Commander than dd, one that reported the progress [14:40] I dont recall the command, show it in the stackexchange network, however i've read that now dd supports reporting the progress [14:41] even with firefox closed and no firefox entries in ps aux, I still see 3 "firefox" processes from the system monitor. Any idea what they might be and why they don't show up in ps aux? === newbie|2 is now known as cohnation === mountpoint is now known as traka [16:00] Hello guys [16:01] I have Kubuntu 15.10, but try to upgrade it to Kubuntu 16.10 [16:01] but it always tell me about 16.04 only [16:01] that it possible to upgrae too [16:01] what's wrong here? [16:03] yuriy: you can't skip version when upgrading from a non-TLS version [16:03] so? [16:03] upgrade to 16.04 and then to 16.10 [16:03] hm... there no other way? [16:04] i did change /etc/apt/sources.list to Yakkety Yak [16:08] thanks jhunold [16:08] hi - I would like to ask a question about backport. I installed kde 5.6 which works fine, but I would like to update to 5.8. It does not do it automatically via ppa [16:35] i need help with my kubuntu installation [16:36] after the installation is done, it asks me to reboot my device and then theres an error and then i have to start the whole process over [17:00] hi did anybody already updated to plasma 5.8 from backport ppa? === kubuntu is now known as Guest60104 [17:03] I think I have plasma 5.5 [17:05] The backport PPA does not have Plasma 5.8. [17:07] It has Plasma 5.6.5. YY (16.10) has 5.7.5. [17:08] okay, but the backport was not updated to 5.8 even for 16.04? [17:08] staging ppa ? [17:08] WildSoft: As soon as I clean up, 2 seconds later, Dust seems to be everyone with a white glove inspection. [17:09] mparillo: Thanks. I'll just install and upgrade. === mib is now known as Guest35959 [17:12] BluesKaj_: I do not think Plasma 5.8 is even in staging yet. There are discussions, but I do not think a plan has been finalized. Step 1 was to resurrect CI. [17:13] mparillo, pk, I heard it was already on arch and neon [17:13] ok [17:14] but I seldom notice much diffeence between plasma versions that use the same number [17:17] I have 5.7.5 as all 16.10 users , but the diff between it and 5.6 wasnt much from what I could see [17:18] not a fan of breeze, maybe thatś the reason :-) [17:19] Is there a new version of Calendar System for the panel? [17:20] When I click the calendar, I don't see my Appointments && to-do list. [17:21] The Calendar from the panel after clicking time stamp. [17:21] hello [17:22] zergut: Goot Morgin. [17:22] hello [17:22] is there still an issue with connecting modems via usb [17:22] or it's already fixed? [17:23] I have wi-fi connected via usb. [17:25] which version? [17:28] zergut: I have KDE 16.04 installed. Plasma 5.5.5 [17:29] Yes, Plasma 5.8.1 has also migrated from Manjaro Unstable to Testing. [17:29] It's actually Ubuntu 16.04. [17:33] How do I install updated drivers for my new ATI video card to GLX 4.5? It says I have GLX versioin 3? [17:35] Do I have to compile drivers for dot.exe video drivers? my window machine. [17:36] The ways it's done is that it has to be a match. [17:36] Example: Orange && Apple cannot go in the same basket. [17:38] I was looking for drivers for my Brand Spank'in New Video Card && everyone is like, well he has to compile it. How would I do that with EXE? [17:39] I thought there was package owners. I mean, I used to be a Peer Training, but, I was hoping that package owner on other distros can do a better job. [17:52] I just got done taking a break. I actually found apples && oranges mixed in a basket. [18:01] If your not supportive for Mr. S. Then Out. === fml is now known as _5ml [18:45] trying to customize kubuntu 16.04 [18:45] via ubuntu customization kit [18:45] have got error Failed to merge X authorization file, error=126 [18:53] hey gays [18:53] i have probleme with teamviwer can you help me [19:38] I have this proccess Baloo_file_extr that is always starting and running @ 100% of cpu === abhay is now known as cappakozy [21:53] can someone help me? my laptop hangs on restart with either (k)ubuntu 16.04.1 and 16.10 [22:18] hi guys: I am trying to install kubuntu 16.10 on virtualbox (under windows), and when i virtually boot from the iso as a live cd and hit install kubunto, i select a language, hit continue and then I cannot proceed further :( i won't let me select continue and in the upper left corner there is a strange symbol with a check symbol written over it [22:19] viewer|94528: did you verify the ISO? [22:19] !md5 | viewer|94528 [22:19] viewer|94528: To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows [22:19] with the checksum? [22:19] yes [22:19] no, give me a sec [22:26] the download is valid [22:26] eg. the checksums match [22:27] could i be a problem that i doesnt recognize my primary hard drive (virtual as well) [22:27] *it doesen't [22:30] um guys, is this the right place to ask such a question? :) [22:33] ok bye [22:38] hello everyone ı have a problem. My clock widget is showing wrong time. my time zone is turkey [23:50] Hello guys; is there any way to get plasma 5.8 for ubuntu yakkety other than compiling? [23:51] Guest17981: You want to help us package it? [23:52] how can I do that? :) [23:59] If you want to learn packaging, the team is always looking for new developers. [23:59] They gather in #kubuntu-devel, but I think they are mostly Europeans and things are getting a bit late now.