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[00:04] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[00:04] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project merger_kdesdk-thumbnailers build #100: FIXED in 2 min 20 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/merger_kdesdk-thumbnailers/100/
[00:05] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[00:05] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project merger_kdiamond build #610: FIXED in 2 min 54 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/merger_kdiamond/610/
[00:07] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_merger build #694: STILL UNSTABLE in 5 min 47 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_merger/694/
[00:07] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_progenitor build #680: STILL UNSTABLE in 5 min 49 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_progenitor/680/
[00:08] <tsimonq2> ARGHHHH
[00:08] <tsimonq2> Nightly :(
[00:09] <acheronuk> thought kcoreaddons merge was fixed
[00:16] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: Did you ever see my spreadsheet?
[00:17] <acheronuk> saw, yes, read, no
[00:17] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: Let's keep that up to date until KCI is fully fixed.
[00:18] <acheronuk> got the link again?
[00:18] <tsimonq2> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1sDfr6pwLRtaJXkgKJ6WXDLklq6FF47cqtGcTdEUo0S0/edit?usp=sharing
[00:18] <tsimonq2> I can put it in the topic?
[00:19] <tsimonq2> Argh
[00:19] <tsimonq2> bah
[00:20] <tsimonq2> There
[00:20] <tsimonq2> We really need to slim down the topic at one point.
[00:20] <acheronuk> it's getting silly
[00:21] <tsimonq2> Yeah. In fact, let's remove Qt from there...
[00:21] <tsimonq2> THere
[00:21] <tsimonq2> *There
[00:21] <tsimonq2> One less thing to worry about.
[00:23] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: Thoughts on the spreadsheet?
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[00:25] <acheronuk> I can't make up my mind if I think that is a good idea, or slightly OCD
[00:26] <tsimonq2> Lol
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[00:27] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[00:27] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project merger_kcoreaddons build #774: FIXED in 18 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/merger_kcoreaddons/774/
[00:28] <acheronuk> ^^^^ silly glitch on previous failure then
[00:29] <acheronuk> I may give the spreadsheet a go, but I can't guarantee I won't lose patience with it :P
[00:29] <tsimonq2> :P
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[00:43] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[00:43] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_palapeli build #32: FIXED in 17 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_palapeli/32/
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[00:43] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[00:43] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_palapeli build #37: FIXED in 18 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_palapeli/37/
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[00:51] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[00:51] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_solid build #278: FIXED in 16 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_solid/278/
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[00:59] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[00:59] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kwidgetsaddons build #299: FIXED in 24 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kwidgetsaddons/299/
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[01:06] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: ping
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[01:20] <valorie> spots of green, good to see
[01:26] <tsimonq2> valorie: See our spreadsheet? :D
[01:29] <valorie> yes, has it changed since last night?
[01:30] <valorie> looks like you've made some progress
[01:31] <valorie> I suggest adding the link to a trello card so that those who go there for a task can find it that way
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[01:34] <tsimonq2> oh HAYLL no
[01:34] <tsimonq2> [01:34] <tsimonq2> usr/
[01:34] <tsimonq2> >>>>>>> kubuntu_yakkety_archive
[01:34] <tsimonq2> WHO did that?!?
[01:34] <tsimonq2> that's kscreen.install
[01:34] <tsimonq2> clivejo, acheronuk, santa_: fess up ^^^^^^^^^^
[01:36] <tsimonq2> valorie: where in Trello?
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[01:41] <valorie> in ToDo I suppose
[01:41] <valorie> https://trello.com/b/lAVvKdKF/kubuntu
[01:42] <valorie> or Doing might be better
[01:42] <tsimonq2> Ok
[01:42] <valorie> is this doubling the ninjas notepad?
[01:44] <valorie> that's my only concern
[01:44] <valorie> One More Place to check, report, keep up
[01:44]  * ahoneybun added a ToDo item
[01:44] <tsimonq2> valorie: Nope, this is more of a WIP TODO list where I think the ninja notepad is more generic.
[01:45] <tsimonq2> Etherpad isn't a good place for this sort of thing
[01:45] <tsimonq2> it would be hell
[01:47] <valorie> ok
[01:48] <valorie> I'm no ninja, so I was just asking
[01:48] <tsimonq2> ok :)
[01:51] <valorie> hey, it's my job
[01:54] <tsimonq2> Yep :P
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[02:15] <ahoneybun> wow 189.5% on that server
[02:17] <valorie> ?
[02:18] <valorie> what server?
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[02:20] <ahoneybun> the linode one
[02:21] <valorie> good
[02:21] <valorie> we gotta use that sucker after giving it all that time off
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[02:29] <tsimonq2> yeah LOL
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[02:45] <tsimonq2> valorie: do you think that for 17.04 we should stick with Plasma 5.8 LTS or go on to Plasma 5.9?
[02:45] <tsimonq2> Just asking for a quick opinion.
[02:46] <tsimonq2> The only concern would be, we would either ship with 5.9.4 or or 5.8.6 LTS
[02:48] <DarinMiller> tsimonq2: Since you are fishing for opinions, I recommend 5.9  since 17.04 is not a LTS release.  We can test each under the Neon releases when the trigger must pulled to decide what's best for KDE.
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[02:48] <tsimonq2> DarinMiller: Even when we would only ship 5.9.4?
[02:49] <DarinMiller> tsimonq2:  5.9.4 is what I meant....
[02:49] <tsimonq2> DarinMiller: we would miss out on shipping 5.9.5
[02:50]  * DarinMiller searching for plasma road  map....
[02:50] <tsimonq2> https://community.kde.org/Schedules/Plasma_5
[02:51]  * DarinMiller Simon searches are just as fast as google searches :)
[02:52] <DarinMiller> tsimonq2: any way I can help with https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1sDfr6pwLRtaJXkgKJ6WXDLklq6FF47cqtGcTdEUo0S0/edit#gid=0?
[02:53] <tsimonq2> DarinMiller: What sort of development work have you done so far?
[02:53] <DarinMiller> I know very little about packaging, but I need to jump in and get my feet wet somewhere.  Maybe that's not a good place to start....
[02:53] <tsimonq2> DarinMiller: Sure it is! :)
[02:53] <tsimonq2> DarinMiller: I can help you fix something if you want. :)
[02:54] <tsimonq2> DarinMiller: If you want to get started, read over https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ to get familiar with the terms, then I can help you fix some things. :)
[02:55] <DarinMiller> warning: I will need lots of help at first.  I attempting to go through all the kde dev. setup guidelines.  But I have never uploaded anything to git (only cloned).
[02:55] <valorie> tsimonq2: for starters, 5.8, obv
[02:55] <valorie> 5.9.x if possible
[02:56] <tsimonq2> valorie: Well of course, but I was just looking over the release schedule so I wanted a quick, not-set-in-stone opinion. :)
[02:56] <valorie> that's my quick
[02:57] <valorie> in 4 months, I've have more information
[02:57] <valorie> :-)
[02:57] <tsimonq2> valorie: Do you think we could convince the release team to let us get 5.9.5 in if we follow the usual SRU procedure? :P
[02:57] <valorie> that depends
[02:57] <valorie> on Qt dependencies
[02:57] <tsimonq2> valorie: Or the Plasma release team to put back the schedule by a few weeks? :P
[02:57] <valorie> on our record with the release team
[02:58] <valorie> and on the Plasma team
[02:58] <tsimonq2> I mean is there any possible way we can shove 5.9.5 in?
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[02:59] <valorie> maybe
[02:59] <valorie> that's quite aways off
[02:59] <tsimonq2> Of course.
[03:01] <valorie> it would be awesome and if we're ready, and everything is already in, I think the last-minute bugfix changes will slide in with no issue
[03:01] <valorie> s
[03:05] <tsimonq2> Ywah
[03:05] <tsimonq2> *Yeah
[03:06] <DarinMiller>  tsimonq2I read through the debian policy several months ago and was impressed by the level of detail/complexity.  What is the safest way to practice ?  Should I attempt to replicate what you did a couple weeks ago in your packaging video? 
[03:06] <DarinMiller> There is no way I can remotely do that off the top of my head like you did.
[03:06] <tsimonq2> DarinMiller: First I'd suggest just grabbing the source of several packages and just reading.
[03:07] <tsimonq2> DarinMiller: Read, read, and read some more. :)
[03:07] <tsimonq2> DarinMiller: If you refer to the Debian policy, you can see why packagers made decisions as they did.
[03:08] <tsimonq2> DarinMiller: Remove something, add something, mess with a package. As long as you do it all locally, you're safe, and you can always clone from the repositories again. :)
[03:09] <tsimonq2> DarinMiller: Then once you think you are comfortable enough with identifying what parts of a package do what, try to fix something in KCI. Come here and ask for help, and we'll be more than happy to help you. If we think it's too much (like symbols, like I haven't even mastered yet) then we'lll tell you to pick a different one. :)
[03:09] <tsimonq2> *we'll
[03:11] <DarinMiller> tsimonq2: that's part of my problem.  I have no background with so many parts of the process, I get lost chasing down the tangent topics that are new to me.  I usually end up entirely lost and forget what attempting to learn when I was 1st side tracked.
[03:12] <tsimonq2> DarinMiller: Ask. Ask until you are blue in the face. And I (at the very minimum) can help you understand. :)
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[03:27] <tsimonq2> valorie: One more thing I want to bounce off of you.
[03:27] <tsimonq2> We look at the existing release schedules and off of that, make our own mini release schedule.
[03:28] <valorie> sounds like an idea, but you should probably bounce it off your fellow packagers
[03:28] <tsimonq2> "Plasma x.y.z was released on Tuesday" "Plasma x.y.z should be ready for testing on Thursday" "Plasma x.y.z will be in backports/archive on the next Monday"
[03:29] <tsimonq2> Ok. :)
[03:29] <valorie> if we get the tooling effective enough
[03:29] <valorie> and people trained to look at the right stuff
[03:29] <valorie> I'm sure it is doable
[03:29] <tsimonq2> valorie: Wouldn't it be awesome if we could just press a button and it would automatically stage into a PPA?
[03:29] <valorie> otoh, testing is key for us
[03:30] <tsimonq2> Yeah, we would then test it.
[03:30] <tsimonq2> But still.
[03:30] <valorie> remember, neon is made for testing
[03:30] <valorie> we test *before* release
[03:31] <tsimonq2> Sometimes bugfixes are released on the same day as it's available to packagers I believe...
[03:31] <tsimonq2> valorie: That's why it would be good to have a release schedule, so we can release on the same day as KDE does.
[03:31] <tsimonq2> WOW that would be awesome.
[03:31] <valorie> we test before *our* releases, I mean
[03:31] <tsimonq2> Well of course that too/
[03:31] <valorie> and yes, we've released hours behind the bugfix releases before
[03:32] <tsimonq2> See, so there you go.
[03:32] <valorie> first, even
[03:32] <valorie> but I'm pretty sure that neon is tooled to always beat us because they do not test with actual testers first
[03:32] <tsimonq2> Well of course.
[03:33] <valorie> but that
[03:33] <tsimonq2> But if it's just a bugfix release, if we carefully scan the diffs and test the part of the packages that were changed, we could go through that in a few hours.
[03:33] <tsimonq2> I don't think we'll beat Neon (and if we do we're SPEEDY)
[03:33] <valorie> s fine
[03:33] <tsimonq2> ?
[03:34] <valorie> i doubt we can ever beat neon
[03:34] <valorie> they have full-time employees on it
[03:35] <tsimonq2> We might once or twice, but still, yeah.
[03:35] <valorie> speed is not our leading value
[03:35] <valorie> quality is
[03:35] <valorie> friendliness is
[03:35] <valorie> if people want to drop by and help, we take time to help them
[03:36] <tsimonq2> That too. :)
[03:36] <tsimonq2> valorie: But if it's just simply a bugfix release, I don't think there's any harm in quickly testing it and getting it out the door if it's a whole team effort.
[03:37] <tsimonq2> And yes, helping is good. ;)
[03:37] <tsimonq2> valorie: One day we should teach you packaging. :P
[03:38] <tsimonq2> One day...
[03:40] <tsimonq2> clivejo, acheronuk, santa_: If we haven't done it already, we can safely remove these KCI jobs:
[03:40] <tsimonq2> * kdegraphics-strigi-analyzer
[03:40] <tsimonq2> * kdenetwork-strigi-analyzers
[03:40] <tsimonq2> * kdepimlibs
[03:40] <tsimonq2> * kdesdk-strigi-analyzers
[03:40] <tsimonq2> * libkdeedu
[03:40] <tsimonq2> * mplayerthumbs
[03:40] <tsimonq2> Maybe I'm just slow on pointing that out there...
[03:41]  * tsimonq2 shrugs
[03:42] <valorie> tsimonq2: when I have some spare hours, I want to learn some basic packaging, so I can improve the packaging docs
[03:42] <valorie> no harm in quick testing as long as it is thorough (well-stated testing scenarios)
[03:42] <tsimonq2> Yeah.
[03:43] <valorie> packagers reading the release notes can often craft those scenarios
[03:44] <tsimonq2> Well of course.
[03:44] <valorie> "fixes x, y, z, and blah-blah"
[03:44] <tsimonq2> Yeah.
[03:44] <valorie> test x, y, z, blah-blah
[03:44] <tsimonq2> Well, I think I'm going to hit the hay.
[03:44] <valorie> but of course any change *could* have unintended consequences
[03:44] <tsimonq2> Good night.
[03:44] <valorie> like our latest
[03:45] <tsimonq2> Yeah of course, totally.
[03:45] <valorie> sweet dreams
[03:45] <tsimonq2> Nini o/
[03:45] <valorie> thanks for poking that fix in, by the way
 No problem, somebody just needed a big poke in the rear... :P
[03:48] <tsimonq2> Just a poke in general
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[06:42] <Mirv> acheronuk: yeah unfortunately since I don't have too many work weeks left this year and I'm currently eg firefighting on arm64 QML issues and need to work on 5.6.2 too. it will be fast in January if 5.7.1 doesn't break anything anywhere... 5.7.0 just segfaulted with qmlplugindump for me all over
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[07:00] <acheronuk> Mirv: understood. you are a hero taking that on each cycle
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[08:42] <jimarvan> γοοδ μορνινγ!
[08:43] <jimarvan> oops... good morning! :)
[08:45] <acheronuk> lol. morning :)
 Good Morning
[10:16] <acheronuk> Morning Rick :)
[10:52] <acheronuk> clivejo: maybe a bit early for this, but please remember the git for discover
[10:52] <clivejo> acheronuk: Im lost and confused
[10:53] <clivejo> https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/+git
[10:53] <clivejo> what happened 9-10 hours ago?
[10:53] <acheronuk> seems Simon pushed yakkety_archive to master for most repos?
 Hai
 Yup
[10:54]  * clivejo face palms
 As discussed
[10:54] <clivejo> I thought I said before I went to bed, not to push to git
 :/
 You did?!?
[10:55] <clivejo> a few times
 Does it really matter now?
[10:57] <clivejo> yes, we all use those repos
[10:57] <clivejo> and need to kn ow what state they are in
[10:57] <clivejo> what have you done?
[10:57] <acheronuk> [23:33] <clivejo> dont push anything to the LP repos until we have a chance to look at it
[10:57] <clivejo> did any of them fail the merge?
 A lot actually
 Like 10 of them
[10:58] <clivejo> whats being done to fix the failed merges
 I fixed a few of them by hand
 But there's a few that I would rather have you or Rik mess with
[11:00] <clivejo> what about non fw, plasma, apps packages?
[11:00] <clivejo> they dont appear to have been done?
[11:00] <clivejo> also, what have you done with KCI nightly trigger
 I just used git-clone-all, that didn't do everything?
[11:01] <clivejo> its no longer starting at 00:00 UTC
 Kicked it forward the night before last night because I was working on stuff and needed an empty queue, and I thought you put it back because things started at 7 like usual
[11:03] <clivejo> what?
 What about it?
[11:03] <clivejo> on the 17th it triggered at 03:01 UTC
[11:04] <clivejo> on 18th 02:01 UTC
 Oh, then I need to set that bakc I guess.
 *back
[11:04] <clivejo> but why change it at all
[11:04] <acheronuk> I had to manually start it last night as I thought the timer was broken
 Because I was working on jobs at midnight server time on Sunday
 And I intentionally didn't want it to go off then
 I needed an empty queue
 clivejo: you set it back?
[11:07] <clivejo> no, I didnt change it!
 Look, I gotta get ready for school
 I'll do it tonight then I guess
[11:09] <clivejo> please just think about things before you do them, they have consequences for us all
[11:11] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: you asked the other day if we could change the time to 3 hrs later. it was said/decided no. then we find that it seems you went and did it anyway.
[11:11] <acheronuk> think about how that looks, even if your intentions were good :)
[11:13] <clivejo> I also stated a few times last night, not to push back to LP git and again you ignored my advice
[11:14] <clivejo> and now Ive wasted time looking into what the flute it going on, and am pretty miffed off right now
[11:16] <clivejo> is there another channel for the SRU team?
[11:20] <acheronuk> not sure, but SRU team should see any upload in due course as it would get added to http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru
[11:21] <acheronuk> or ask in #ubuntu-release as you just did :)
 pretend there is a devel update coming :)
[11:28] <acheronuk> yep, that is more or less what I thought. when the archive is in limbo like that
[11:30] <clivejo> acheronuk: can you remind me about git later?
[11:30] <clivejo> you could be my PA :P
[11:31] <acheronuk> I would not make a good PA :P
[11:31] <acheronuk> but yes, I will remind you. if I remember myself.....
[11:32] <clivejo> want to get yakkety sorted first
[11:32] <clivejo> get it uploaded
[11:33] <clivejo> and then make sure git is updated
[11:33] <clivejo> I was unsure of the version which is why I been holding off
[11:35] <acheronuk> I was reasonably sure, but still pays to ask
[11:38] <clivejo> ooo
[11:39] <clivejo> need to glue the wig down 
[11:39] <acheronuk> huh?
[11:39] <clivejo> getting windy!
[11:39] <clivejo> https://www.windytv.com/?56.849,-4.438,4
[11:39] <clivejo> look at that beast to the west of me!
[11:41] <acheronuk> remains of yet another hurricane I think?
[11:41] <clivejo> pulling down cold air
[11:41] <acheronuk> Hurricane Nicole
[11:42] <clivejo> where did Matthew go?
[11:42] <acheronuk> dunno. sex change?
[11:43] <clivejo> maybe
[11:43] <clivejo> spinning the other direction?
[11:43] <acheronuk> lol
[11:44] <clivejo> see, this is what happens when you make assumptions!
[11:44] <acheronuk> British press being their usual responsible alarmist selves http://www.express.co.uk/news/weather/722165/Hurricane-Nicole-UK-sea-surge-flood-alert-weather-warning
[11:46] <clivejo> ewww
[11:46] <clivejo> WATCH: Expert doctor squeezes ENORMOUS ‘cheesy’ cyst from woman’s back
[11:46] <acheronuk> ick!
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[13:17] <clivejo> acheronuk: ping
[13:18] <acheronuk> clivejo: pong
[13:18] <clivejo> I uploaded a test package for plasma-discover to my PPA - https://launchpad.net/~clivejo/+archive/ubuntu/yakkety/
[13:18] <clivejo> but its failing on the i386 build
[13:19] <clivejo> oh, never mind
[13:19] <clivejo> thats not good!
[13:20] <clivejo> I had kci unstable PPA enabled!
[13:21] <acheronuk> that would do it!
[13:21] <clivejo> wonder how long I have to wait before the package deletion takes affect
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[13:27] <acheronuk> pick a random number between 1 & 120 minutes
[13:30] <clivejo> does it disappear from the PPA ?
[13:30] <clivejo> https://launchpad.net/~clivejo/+archive/ubuntu/yakkety/+packages?field.name_filter=discover&field.status_filter=&field.series_filter=
[13:30] <clivejo> Removal requested 5 minutes ago.
[13:31] <acheronuk> before soee_ gets here :P https://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma-5.8.2.php
[13:31] <clivejo> LOL
[13:33]  * clivejo giggles
[13:33] <clivejo> https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/plasma-workspace/commit/?id=aeba9a5b4a532ef5e3ea53314833b97d802b6c14
[13:34] <acheronuk> took me a while to twig to the commit message! lol
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[14:05] <sheytan> heya
[14:05] <sheytan> http://imgur.com/iIYoYG1
[14:05] <sheytan> what's worng? :D
[14:08] <mamarley> sheytan: https://launchpad.net/bugs/1633692 ?
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[14:11] <acheronuk> yes, it will also impact launching the kde release upgrade backend via the command line
[14:17] <sheytan> not a big deal. Doing the upgrade via konsole
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[14:56] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
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[15:45] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
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[15:58] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
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[18:44]  * acheronuk yawns
[18:52] <ahoneybun> oh LP tried to build kubuntu-web-shortcuts
[18:53] <ahoneybun> for zesty
[18:53] <ahoneybun> ZZ
[19:11] <acheronuk> clivejo: reminder about pushing plasma-discover to git :P
[19:11] <acheronuk> ahoneybun: not quite sure what you are saying there
[19:15] <ahoneybun> acheronuk: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/289963393/buildlog_ubuntu-zesty-amd64.kubuntu-web-shortcuts_16.10.0_BUILDING.txt.gz
[19:25] <acheronuk> ummmm. looking for a .pm midule in pkg-kde-tools that was depreciated and merged into other parts at the beginning of Xenial I think?
[19:25] <acheronuk> *module
[19:26] <ahoneybun> yea 
[19:26] <ahoneybun> translation stuff
[19:28] <ahoneybun> someone fixed something in it in a bug report during Yakkety
[20:22] <ahoneybun> valorie: http://imgur.com/a/vLqiq
[20:22] <ahoneybun> ;)
[20:25] <acheronuk> something odd about the beak on that :/
[20:26] <acheronuk> with a bit of tweaking that could be very cool
[20:28] <ahoneybun> first draft so you know lol
[20:28] <ahoneybun> always could be improved
[20:28] <ahoneybun> the creator of it loves it though
[20:29] <acheronuk> I saw the post somewhere one the old linux tux being outdated
[20:30] <acheronuk> *on the
[20:30] <ahoneybun> maybe omgubuntu?
[20:30] <ahoneybun> I mean I do love a clean design
[20:30] <ahoneybun> one reason I really like Plasma 5
[20:31] <acheronuk> possibly. I have too many feeds to remember right now
[20:31] <ahoneybun> lol
[20:32] <acheronuk> so do I.was why I liked that kubuntu sticker I found. simple and clean but looked great
[20:33] <acheronuk> I am *carp at design, but I hope I can at least recognise good ones from others
[20:33] <ahoneybun> mm I want to make a zombie one
[20:34] <acheronuk> kubuntu/linux Halloween edition
[20:35] <ahoneybun> XD
[20:35] <acheronuk> if ZZ had been something Zombie, we could have had so much fun with that! :)
[20:37] <valorie> uh, what is the creature supposed to be? a penguin?
[20:37] <valorie> sorry, today is my prep day for tomorrow's colonoscopy so I'll be on and off here without notice
[20:38] <valorie> lol
[20:38] <ahoneybun> yep a penguin
[20:38] <valorie> nice and simple
[20:38] <valorie> but the staring eyes make it a big ghostly too
[20:38] <acheronuk> but sill slightly malformed
[20:39] <valorie> maybe it needs feet
[20:39] <ahoneybun> valorie: are we giving out 16.04 or 16.10 iso at seagl?
[20:40] <valorie> we'll burn whatever people want IMO
[20:40] <valorie> there are not many people wanting ISOs there however
[20:40] <acheronuk> is there an svg of that logo?
[20:40] <valorie> at least there were not last year
[20:40] <ahoneybun> oh then there is no reason to make those covers
[20:40] <valorie> ahoneybun: people will take covers omg yet
[20:40] <valorie> yes
[20:40] <clivejo> cute wee kubuntu USB with Kubuntu on it, I want one!"
[20:40] <ahoneybun> dear god
[20:41] <acheronuk> clivejo: push discover to git
[20:41] <clivejo> like the wee ubuntu ones at Akademy
[20:41]  * ahoneybun wishes the design team would get off the damn PSD
[20:41] <valorie> you can get them printed locally if you want and have me pick them up
[20:41]  * acheronuk has done his PA job
[20:41] <clivejo> grrrr
[20:41] <clivejo> totally went out of my mind
[20:42] <clivejo> lot has happened since then!
[20:42] <valorie> clivejo: we investigated making usb keys and it was either too expensive or too fiddly
[20:42] <clivejo> how do ubuntu do it?
[20:42] <ahoneybun> lots of fault units
[20:42] <valorie> too expensive if you have them write 'em
[20:42] <ahoneybun> and money
[20:42] <valorie> too fiddly if we have to do it
[20:42] <acheronuk> seems a bit 2014
[20:43] <ahoneybun> tbh I know someone who could write them
[20:43] <ahoneybun> he writes a ton for work
[20:43] <valorie> giveaway thumb drives are usually crap
[20:43] <clivejo> what about Id like some blue usb sticks with kubuntu logo on it
[20:43] <ahoneybun> has a setup to format 20-30 at a time
[20:43] <ahoneybun> valorie: ^
[20:43] <clivejo> especially the new logo CRogers made
[20:43] <ahoneybun> what logo?
[20:43]  * clivejo likes the clean crispness of it
[20:44] <ahoneybun> would we be allowed to use the konqi on printed material?
[20:44] <acheronuk> the smoothing out of the wobbly bits on the gears
[20:44] <acheronuk> that? ^^
[20:45] <clivejo> yes
[20:45] <acheronuk> ok, I didn't another new logo then
[20:45] <acheronuk> didn't miss
[20:47] <valorie> I wish I could get those on the tiny stickers for the "win" key
[20:47] <valorie> but now I have a few expensive KDE ones so whatever
[20:48]  * acheronuk looks at his laptop stickers
[20:48] <acheronuk> whoops!
[20:48] <clivejo> http://whitecatgraphics.com/opendesignstudio/free_graphics/kubuntu/kubuntu_gear_logo_fix.svg
[20:50] <acheronuk> that does look great
[20:50] <ahoneybun> that's the default one though
[20:51] <clivejo> no thats the fixed one
[20:51] <ahoneybun> looks the same as the old one
[20:52] <clivejo> put it side by side
[20:52] <ahoneybun> no same one
[20:52] <valorie> hmmm, I can't enlarge that one
[20:52] <valorie> that's where you really see the diff
[20:52] <ahoneybun> http://imgur.com/a/cd6J0
[20:53] <ahoneybun> just messing around
[20:53] <acheronuk> the old has oddly curved lines on the gear teeth when zoomed in
[20:54]  * clivejo slaps aaron with a potato masher
[20:54] <ahoneybun> XD
[20:56] <ahoneybun> why this time clivejo?
[20:56] <clivejo> this time?
[20:56] <ahoneybun> well why with a potato masher though?
[20:57] <clivejo> oh
[20:57] <clivejo> you didnt hear about Phil being handed a potato masher as a key?
[20:57] <ahoneybun> why do I need a key then?
[20:57] <clivejo> when we went to pickup his and Ovi's bag?
[20:58] <clivejo> I dunno, just first think popped into my head
[20:58] <clivejo> thing
[20:58] <ahoneybun> mm odd
[20:58] <ahoneybun> might be thinking I'm Simon
[20:59] <ahoneybun> XD
[20:59] <clivejo> I could have beaten him to a bloody pulp this morning with it
[21:00] <clivejo> but Ive calmed down a bit
[21:00] <ahoneybun> oh dear
[21:00] <clivejo> mashed Simon
[21:00] <tsimonq2> clivejo: Thanks. :(
[21:00] <ahoneybun> mm I'd really like to know who keeps trying to log into my blog
[21:01] <clivejo> ahoneybun: probably hackers
[21:01] <ahoneybun> keeps locking me out for 20+ hours
[21:01] <clivejo> do you have a static IP?
[21:01] <ahoneybun> I should turn off the locking
[21:01] <ahoneybun> a domain yes
[21:01] <clivejo> did Simon just storm off?
[21:01] <ahoneybun> seems like it
[21:04]  * ahoneybun needs a new chair badly
[21:09] <valorie> simon had to got to school!
[21:11] <valorie> heh: http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2016/10/canonical-livepatch.html
[21:11] <valorie> sounds pretty cool for servers
[22:39] <ahoneybun> acheronuk or clivejo what packages from KF5 are needed for an app?
[22:39] <ahoneybun> https://github.com/KDE/minuet
[22:39] <ahoneybun> this app in this case
[22:39] <clivejo> look in the control file
[22:40] <ahoneybun> it's not a debian package 
[22:40] <clivejo> it is :/
[22:40] <clivejo> apps
[22:40] <ahoneybun> it's not in p.u.com
[22:40] <clivejo> oh, yeah
[22:40] <clivejo> it didnt get into yakkety
[22:41] <clivejo> https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/minuet
[22:41] <clivejo> its in staging if you wanted it
[22:41] <ahoneybun> trying to snap it
[22:42] <clivejo> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-kdeapplications/+packages?field.name_filter=minuet&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=yakkety
[22:42] <clivejo> it needs an updated libdrumstick
[22:42] <ahoneybun> that we don't have?
[22:42] <clivejo> dont ask, its a sorry subject#
[22:43] <acheronuk> oh. that package!
[22:43] <ahoneybun> my bad
[22:43]  * ahoneybun rides off
[22:43] <clivejo> LP 1584310
[22:44] <acheronuk> "thoughtfully designed to push your musical skills to the next level."
[22:45] <acheronuk> you probably need some "skills" in the first place, which I definitely don't have!
[22:45] <clivejo> yup
[22:46] <clivejo> I tried to use it, but didnt understand what it was saying!
[22:46] <valorie> http://www.portalprogramas.com/software-libre/premios/proyecto/Minuet
[22:46] <valorie> it's relatively new, and we should try to get it in
[22:47] <acheronuk> will they sync a new enough librumstick from debian this time?
[22:47] <clivejo> strangely I got more questions wrong than statistically I should have
[22:47] <clivejo> acheronuk: I have no idea!
[22:48] <valorie> https://minuet.kde.org/
[22:48] <clivejo> and as I said to Simon, Im not paid enough to care!
[22:51] <acheronuk> true. it is hard to care about everything when it's not really your thing
[22:52] <clivejo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-discover/+bug/1633692/comments/7
[22:52] <clivejo> oh hes left
[22:55] <valorie> oooo, flames_in_paradise is back
[22:55] <valorie> sgclark: ^^^
[22:56] <clivejo> shadeslayer sgclark ScottK yofel could you give your thoughts on the above comment?
[22:57] <valorie> "Adding a dependency to Discover that it doesn't need at all" I don't understand
[22:57] <valorie> it needs it to work, right?
[22:58] <acheronuk> that is why I initially said maybe another package when I reported.
[22:58] <valorie> and what else would need it?
[22:58] <yofel> read it as in "does discover actually open the upgrader or does something else?"
[22:58] <acheronuk> but the upgrade button on discover does NOT work without it
[22:58] <yofel> then it's at least a recommends, and for the SRU it's ~fine IMO
[22:59] <yofel> you can find a proper fix in the dev release upload
[22:59] <acheronuk> discover launches the command in the pic here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/YakketyUpgrades/Kubuntu?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=snapshot7.png
[22:59] <clivejo> ah hi yofel
[23:02] <clivejo> dev release upload?
[23:03] <valorie> zz?
[23:03] <yofel> zz
[23:03] <clivejo> but its the same?
[23:03] <clivejo> did you upload to ZZ?
[23:04] <clivejo> [queuebot] Unapproved: plasma-discover (zesty-proposed/universe) [5.7.5-0ubuntu2 => 5.7.5-0ubuntu3] (kubuntu)
[23:04] <clivejo> that was me?
[23:04] <clivejo> or do you mean we will fix it in ZZ?
[23:04] <yofel> no, I'm just saying that his objection sounds somewhat valid, but I would only care about it for zz
[23:05] <clivejo> ah, got ya
[23:05] <clivejo> yes, I agree
[23:05] <clivejo> well I guess discover doesnt care what distro its on
[23:05] <valorie> is it working for the LTS?
[23:06] <clivejo> could be running on rpm for all it cares
[23:07] <clivejo> just triggers the system upgrade procedure and lets it deal with it
[23:08] <acheronuk> valorie: just tested on Xenial and confirmed it fixes it here on a default install
[23:09] <valorie> cool
[23:09] <acheronuk> I do get the point though, as someone could remove discover an never get the fix
[23:10] <valorie> ah
[23:10] <acheronuk> which would leave 'do-release-upgrade -f kdebackendwhatever' broken
[23:11] <clivejo> does the upgrade in muon package manager work without that package installed?
[23:11] <valorie> that's uncool
[23:11] <acheronuk> but 'do-release-upgrade' without GUI would still work
[23:12] <acheronuk> and launching the GUI from the command line is not the usual way
[23:14] <valorie> corner case indeed
[23:14] <acheronuk> clivejo: let me test muon
[23:14] <acheronuk> 2 secs
[23:16] <acheronuk> clivejo: is Muon meant to offer a distribution upgrade? don't see the option here?
[23:16] <clivejo> that I dont know :/
[23:17] <acheronuk> nor do I, as I don't really use it
[23:18] <valorie> I usually use it to look stuff up, because the tabs make it convenient
[23:18] <valorie> occasionally test it by using it to upgrade
[23:19] <valorie> but haven't tried it as a major upgrader
[23:19] <valorie> I mean, from one version to the next
[23:19] <acheronuk> I got too used to synaptic over the years I think
[23:20] <valorie> I switched away from synaptic to muon package manager as soon as it worked
[23:20] <valorie> I've not seen the appeal of a "software store" approach
[23:21] <valorie> but I guess I'm out of step
[23:23] <acheronuk> a software store can be good for it's own purpose. If it's done ok. sadly most are pretty awful, even at what they are supposed to be good for
[23:28] <clivejo> acheronuk: can you change the tag from verification-needed to verification-done.
[23:29] <acheronuk> clivejo: I've not had the YY proposed update yet, so not sure if I should?
[23:30] <clivejo> the comment seems to be about XX only
[23:30] <clivejo> or am I reading it wrong?
[23:31] <clivejo> yofel: still about?
[23:34] <acheronuk> grr... now I changed it, I'm wondering again.
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[23:39] <acheronuk> going to kill the damn plasma panel for dragging stuff again ^^^
[23:39] <acheronuk> clivejo: how did you extend the click --> drag delay for that? you said you did the other day
[23:44] <Snowhog> acheronuk: Muon Package Manager will offer a Distribution Upgrade of it is set to Normal Releases and not LTS.
[23:44] <Snowhog> ^^if it is set
[23:45] <acheronuk> Snowhog: doesn't seem to here
[23:49] <Snowhog> Settings > Configure Software Sources > Updates > Release upgrade > Show new distribution releases: Normal Releases. On my 14.04.1, I've got it set to that, and on each boot up, Muon Updater (I beleive that is the correct package) informs my that a new release is available.
[23:49] <Snowhog> ^^informs me that
[23:50] <acheronuk> This is 16.04 and muon updated no longer exists
[23:50] <acheronuk> *updater
[23:50] <Snowhog> Ah. Firing up my 16.04 VM.
[23:51] <acheronuk> well, the package exists, but it's just a transitional dummy for plasma-discover-updater
[23:53] <acheronuk> so the systray notification is that. while muon is a standalone app which does not seem to have an release upgrade notification or function
[23:59]  * acheronuk waits for KCI