[04:39] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:40] <lotuspsychje> hows your rocket going Bashing-om ? :p
[04:43] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Well .. still having freezing episodes :( Not isolated yet to any common factor, no log entries ( as expected )) .
[04:44] <lotuspsychje> hmmz
[04:45] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: wich brand is your pc?
[04:47] <lotuspsychje> !17.04
[04:47] <ubot5`> Ubuntu 17.04 (Zesty Zapus) will be the 26th release of Ubuntu.  It is due to be released in April 2017. Discussion in #ubuntu+1
[04:49] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Home build .. running a Abit main board .. and dual Athlon CPU .. Odd thing here is all installs on this SSD have freezing issues .. BUT (u)buntu 16.04 on a spinner has no issues ... hummm ???
[04:50] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: im thinking...
[04:50] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: can you describe at wich point freezes?
[04:51] <Bashing-om> Box is running very cool !
[04:55] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Nope .. not to this time .. at first I thought is was a gksu issue ,, in that when I attempted to mount internal drives from the GUI .. shortly there after a freeze would occur ( re-installed a full desktop at that point ).. but .. not messing about with the GUI and still happens . To this time I have not found a common factor .
[04:57] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: im guessing it could be bios/new hardware issue
[04:58] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: tried setting your abit to low defaults? update bios flash?
[04:58] <Bashing-om> Kinda think I am going to keep where I am .. and await sytem updates and next kernel . If I keep installing ( and fsck'n ) this SSD, will not do well for wear leveling !
[04:59] <lotuspsychje> i dont think its ubuntu freezing it
[04:59] <Bashing-om> Got the thought too that a updated bios chip might be a good idea ( my bios is on chip ! ).
[05:00] <lotuspsychje> low defaults on abit can be also good idea to test
[05:00] <lotuspsychje> abit is real stubborn, but stable board
[05:01] <Bashing-om> Well. been through bios setting several times . I do not see anything I thought to change to make a difference .
[05:02] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: you should be able to change 'defaults' or improved settings
[05:03] <Bashing-om> I have not "reset to optimized defaults " reckon a good idea to try ?
[05:03] <lotuspsychje> i remember having afreezing acer laptop, with network boot enabled, i had to disable it for ssd/system freeze
[05:04] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: i would first try reset to low defaults
[05:05] <Bashing-om> Well .. will not hurt to try .. all that is lost in trying ia a bit of time .
[05:05] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: no ssd errors showing in syslog neither?
[05:06] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: hmmm, i remember samsung ssd's could have a bug with some chips..VIA i presume
[05:06] <Bashing-om> Been running ( light ) now for about 4 hours .. no problems - no freezes .
[05:06] <Bashing-om> Nvidia chip sets .
[05:08] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: also check samsungs website for the latest firmware of your ssd type, you never know
[05:08] <lotuspsychje> if it shows a new firmware, its highly recommended to flash it aswell
[05:09] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: did you have 850 evo or 840 evo?
[05:09] <Bashing-om> K .. that too is a thought .
[05:11] <lotuspsychje> could also be a sata bottleneck
[05:16] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Thought about the ports too .. and have changed the sata cables to different ports . with new locking cables .
[05:23] <lotuspsychje> ok bad sata cables checked :p
[05:26] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: another thought might be testing a lubuntu live, to make sure its not an xfce flaw?
[05:28] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Yeah .. done that too .. ( not for long term however ) . And As said .. my installs on the spinners have no issues .
[05:28] <lotuspsychje> must be ssd/hardware level then
[05:29] <lotuspsychje> something bottlenecking
[05:31] <Bashing-om> Bios is old .. maybe time for that bios upgrade .... 2007 long before SSD speed was thoughgt of .
[05:32] <lotuspsychje> mine is abit aswell kv8-max3 playing perfect with the ssd
[05:32] <lotuspsychje> there must be something we overlook
[05:34] <Bashing-om> I did see where Rod Smith cautioned that this Phoenox bios might not support GPT partitioning ( I did partition MBR ), and I can see where if GPT is a problem .. dealing with a SSD might also be a problem for this bios !
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> hmm gpt partitioning?
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> could try auto partition from ubuntu?
[05:50] <Bashing-om> Could be - as you have said - a number of possibilities -- Graphics driver on this new card I have been running nouveau .. might see what resukts with the 367 version driver .
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> ah yeah
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: time for deep investigation :p
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> bbl
[05:52] <Bashing-om> wont take bit a tik to install from the PPA . - as much as I do not want to go proprietary . Still a good thought to try .
[05:52] <Bashing-om> bit/but*
[05:54] <Bashing-om> I run me some glx-info test and compare !
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> gl mate
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> ttyl
[06:12] <ducasse> morning all
[06:21] <Bashing-om> ducasse: o/ .. A good day to ya ! As I get to me signing off place .
[06:23] <ducasse> you do that. got any further diagnosing your system?
[06:25] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Naw .. think I gonna next install the proprietary graphic's driver ..
[06:25] <ducasse> Bashing-om: i would consider updating bios and ssd firmware, at least check if a newer bios is available.
[06:27] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Yepper .. have also that thought .. my bios is on chip .. so not a great big deal to get an updatd chip . Lotus also suggested the firmware upgrade from Samsung - if there is one .
[06:28] <ducasse> Bashing-om: which ssd model?
[06:28] <Bashing-om> 850 pro .
[06:30] <ducasse> Bashing-om: the pro models actually have a linux update tool, i think...
[06:32] <ducasse> Bashing-om: anyway, best of luck! let us know if you want any help tracking this down! and sleep well :)
[06:32] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Not done a lot of looking yet .. but I do understand is an .iso that you can burn as bootable !
[16:06] <OerHeks> surprising top 3 .. http://i.imgur.com/OaEuuSy.png
[16:08] <daftykins> hmm!
[16:09] <OerHeks> not sure these numbers have a global meaning
[16:10] <daftykins> could either be a sign that people with low spec systems are holding onto lubuntu to try and make them relevant still, or perhaps many see the light that 3D accelerated desktops are wasteful
[16:10] <daftykins> however if the first, you don't need a new kernel on old kit :)
[16:15] <nicomachus> any of you guys use screen or tmux often?
[16:16] <nacc> i use screen pretty often
[16:16] <nicomachus> any good tutorials out there? I've been told a few times it makes irssi over SSH a whole lot better, but reading the man page just doesn't really give me a good rundown of how to do that effectively.
[16:18] <nacc> nicomachus: ssh into a server, `screen irssi`. When you want to disconnect, run ctrl+A then d, which will disconnect you from the session. When you want to reconnect, ssh back in and `screen -r`
[16:18] <daftykins> yep screen here
[16:18] <daftykins> screen -U irssi; for me :>
[16:18] <nacc> daftykins: fair point :)
[16:18] <daftykins> mind you i think i use a font without UTF characters here in KiTTY so it's all moot!
[16:19] <daftykins> i still get those square boxes :>
[16:19] <nacc> heh
[16:19] <nicomachus> I think the detaching and reattaching is the part I'm not getting.
[16:20] <nacc> nicomachus: so ctrl+a is the (iirc, default) screen metakey, 'd' tells it to detach
[16:20] <nacc> now your irssi session is running in a detached screen
[16:20] <nacc> it's still running, still connected to a terminal, etc.
[16:20] <nicomachus> brb
[16:20] <nacc> screen -r resumes that session (if there are mulitiple screens, screen will tell you their names and not resume any of them, iirc)
[16:20] <daftykins> it's a pretty weird key press the first few times you use it
[16:21] <nicomachus> ok, I think I get it. messing with attaching and reattaching while on some man pages
[16:22] <daftykins> for some reason i always saw guides referring to using "screen -raAd" for resizing on reattach (a and A) as well as detaching an existing session (d) but i don't think they're necessary
[16:23] <daftykins> you can do some pretty neat shared shell sessions with screen so someone remotely can SSH in and watch what you're doing :>
[16:23] <nacc> i guess if you're connecting from multiple locations, but even then, you don't need to disconnect the other
[16:23] <daftykins> yeah
[16:24] <nicomachus> I've been using newsbeuter as an RSS reader lately. Have it configured on my home PC, and I've been accessing it both from my phone and laptop
[16:24] <nicomachus> this could help, I suppose.
[16:24] <nicomachus> newsbeuter is nice for a CLI RSS reader, btw
[16:24] <daftykins> i use feedly on my phone
[16:25] <nicomachus> I still need to do some more work on it to get it how I want.
[16:25] <nicomachus> i thought feedly was abandonware at this point?
[16:25] <daftykins> news to me if so
[16:25] <nicomachus> maybe I'm thinking of something else.
[16:26] <daftykins> could be, wasn't long ago i got my last update
[16:26] <nicomachus> since newsbeuter is setup on my home pc though, it saves my read status no matter where I access it from. without being hosted on some cloud somewhere where you never know when it's gonna rain.
[16:26] <daftykins> when at the PC/laptop i can use the chrome app too, as it's all synced online
[16:27] <daftykins> yeah feedly is the same, i read something on the phone and it's instantly updated
[16:27] <daftykins> free account too
[16:30] <nicomachus> Chrome though.
[16:30] <nicomachus> I'm done with them.
[16:31] <daftykins> it's not my primary browser, and we're talking about a browser addon so i don't know if it's elsewhere
[16:31] <daftykins> what's up your posterior about Google today? :)
[16:32] <nicomachus> tired of relying on one company for everything.
[16:32] <daftykins> hrmm
[16:33] <daftykins> a client of mine wants an all in one PC, but my word they're all so rubbish
[16:33] <daftykins> plus it's essentially buying a laptop and shoving it in a large screen on a desk
[16:34] <nicomachus> aren't the all-in-one Mac's the same hardware as the macbooks?
[16:35] <daftykins> all out of date, it's an iMac he has right now but he's finally seen the light that it's too much of a hassle to have Windows in the office, then when he wants to do something at home quickly he doesn't know how :D
[16:41] <nicomachus> gonna try to put some stress on screen. brb
[16:42] <daftykins> o0
[16:43] <nicomachus> hey, it worked
[16:43]  * nacc tries to imagine what stress is
[16:43] <nicomachus> probably a bad word for it
[16:44] <daftykins> nacc: being in #ubuntu
[16:44] <daftykins> ;D
[16:44] <nacc> lol
[16:44] <nicomachus> I forced an SSH disconnect, which made my ssh sessions freeze up
[16:44] <nacc> nicomachus: no it's the right word, i'm just trying to consider what that would be to screen
[16:44] <nacc> ah
[16:44] <nacc> that doesn't stress screen at all, fwiw :)
[16:44] <nacc> screen is running purely on the remote server
[16:45] <nicomachus> right. poor word choice. but it was just testing how to get back into the session after a disconnect, which is the issue I was having with irssi over SSH before using screen
[16:45] <nacc> nicomachus: ah got it
[16:46] <nicomachus> if I'm not paying attention and disconnect/connect a VPN or something, i would kill my SSH connections.
[16:47] <daftykins> i've heard mosh is worth a play too, but it seems a bit of work
[16:47] <nacc> yep, that's where screen et al can really help you out :)
[16:48] <daftykins> mmm my irssi runs in a VM on my file server, i connect in from wherever i am to chat - even whilst i was in the US
[16:48] <daftykins> which reminds me, got a port to close...
[16:54] <nicomachus> what's the connect like across the pond to hit your file server?
[16:54] <nicomachus> s/connect/connection/
[16:57] <daftykins> you definitely get a bit of delay, but if the connection is good in 'murica then it's very reasonable, my islands peering is very good
[16:58] <daftykins> so for example the shoddy internet connection in Estes Park was a bit bleh, but once we got down to Boulder there was a comcast business connection in the hotel there i think, it was ace
[17:29] <EriC^^> hey guys
[17:29] <EriC^^> daftykins o/
[17:29] <daftykins> o hai
[17:29] <OerHeks> :-)
[17:30] <EriC^^> how's it going?
[17:30] <daftykins> all good here thanks, and you?
[17:31] <daftykins> any new toys recently? :D ooh how did the night time photo taking go?
[17:35] <EriC^^> !ping
[17:35] <ubot5`> pong!
[17:35] <EriC^^> nice
[17:35] <EriC^^> this samsung can really take a beating
[17:36] <EriC^^> i'm good, no new toys
[17:36] <EriC^^> haven't taken many pics really
[17:37] <EriC^^> i think i discovered photography isn't really one of my passions, like just a once in a while hobbie thing
[17:37] <EriC^^> :D
[17:38] <nicomachus> samsung?
[17:38] <EriC^^> ah the phone i got after my iphone started inflating
[17:38] <daftykins> yeah i liked borrowing an SLR whilst hiking in Colorado, but i couldn't care to own one
[17:38] <EriC^^> it's a $100 phone but i dropped it and it keeps working
[17:39] <EriC^^> i literally just threw it across the room onto the bed and it bounced off the bed and landed facedown on the floor
[17:39] <EriC^^> (had to take an important international call on the landline and didn't want the wifi to cut off in the room)
[17:44] <daftykins> :>
[21:54] <nacc> we should just pay someone to translate from what a user is asking in #ubuntu to what they should be asking
[21:55] <OerHeks> nacc, i am cheap
[21:55] <OerHeks> :-D
[21:56] <nacc> heh
[21:56] <OerHeks> he wants to boot a live iso, so switching bootdevice should be his answer.
[21:57] <OerHeks> plop-i-plop
[21:57] <daftykins> i always hated the ones that came in with a translator
[21:57] <nicomachus> good lord this kid is insane.
[21:57] <nicomachus> trying to help out this Bray guy with a missing driver, can't cut through the crap.
[21:57] <nacc> couple of real hair-pullers in a ruow :)
[21:57] <nacc> *row
[21:57] <OerHeks> TheFatherMind is his little brother perhaps?
[21:58] <Ben64> i picked the wrong time to come into #ubuntu :)
[21:58] <OerHeks> Ben64, no! this session will make your chesthair grow
[21:59] <OerHeks> ♪ winter in america is cold ..
[21:59] <Ben64> productive
[21:59] <OerHeks> same troll ..
[22:00] <Ben64> aw, checked the logs
[22:00] <Ben64> he's one of the trolls about jewish stuff
[22:00] <nicomachus> oh great.
[22:00] <Ben64> wait maybe he was just responding to one
[22:02] <nacc> so that video he posted was just a short one that showed someone booting the plop ISO and then, I think, passing through a usb thumb drive to the vbox guest
[22:03]  * nacc lets it go
[22:05] <nicomachus> you actually watched it? lol
[22:08] <nacc> i believe they thought they did something with 16.04 and weren't able to do it with 16.10. I'm not sure if they actually did it or not
[22:09] <OerHeks> I 'd like to see the face of thefathermind when he starts his upgrade to 16.04 ..
[22:12] <Ben64> it's probably possible to boot from usb in vbox
[22:12] <Ben64> but... why
[22:12] <Ben64> if you got the iso on a usb, you have the iso already
[22:13] <OerHeks> much much faster too
[22:13] <nacc> Ben64: yeah, i think that was the discussion that wasn't happening, but not sure
[22:28] <OerHeks> err .. just reading "Canonical Now Offering Live Kernel Patching Services, Free for Up to Three PCs
[22:28] <OerHeks> Read more: http://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-now-offering-live-kernel-patching-services-free-for-up-to-three-pcs-509417.shtml
[22:30] <nacc> not that it's super important, but only applies to 16.04 kernel stream
[22:31] <nacc> probably will end up being a faq though as people on 16.10 wonder if they can use it or not
[22:31] <OerHeks> goto https://ubuntu.com/livepatch, login, get token, sudo snap install canonical-livepatch and sudo canonical-livepatch enable <token>
[22:32] <OerHeks> oh indeed, only supports 64-bit versions of the Ubuntu 16.04 LTS
[22:32] <OerHeks> yay \0/
[22:58] <Bashing-om> Hehe he ... Success on a SSD re-partition and not loose what I had !
[22:59] <OerHeks> good job, Bashing-om
[23:00] <Bashing-om> I was real unhappy having this one install take up the whole disk .. and recommendations were to leave a bumper zone at the end of the drive .
[23:02] <OerHeks> Not sure about that beiing correct..
[23:03] <OerHeks> "do not fill your ssd over 90%" also questionable
[23:06] <daftykins> well if you have a drive that doesn't have any built-in spare area, you'll see speeds dramatically drop when they're full
[23:10] <Bashing-om> Well .. was looking on Samsungs web site in repextto updates for the firmware .. and I see they ( at that time ) still advised a 25% bumper .. now how "needed" that is .. well beats me . I am all new to all this SSD stuff .
[23:38] <Ben64> why does live patching require a subscription thing
[23:41] <daftykins> Bashing-om: Often an SSD would present to an OS as say 240GB but the actual chips would be 256GB or more - the difference is called the 'spare area' and is used by the controller chips to speed up writes, rather than it having to flush old 'dirty' blocks each time. The thing with this is that it's different for every model of drive
[23:41] <daftykins> i wouldn't bother going that far though (leaving unpartitioned space)
[23:41] <dax> Ben64: Because the free tier only allows three systems
[23:41] <dax> I assume that's how they count
[23:44] <Ben64> right but i don't get it, why not just build it into the system, the kernel has allowed it for a while