| amelia__ | we just got jumped with a HORRIBLE virus. It was on MSNBC. and our keyboard became unresponsive. | 00:30 |
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| amelia__ | it was honking and saying "do not delete this page or your hard drive will crash" and said to call the toll free number on the screen, to press 1 for instructions. | 00:31 |
| amelia__ | there was no number. I think they wanted me to put in my password. I did not. really shook up my husband and myself. | 00:32 |
| amelia__ | finally turned off the computer completely, stared at each other for awhile, started it back up, and there was a long list of things it was "clearing" on upper left hand corner. | 00:33 |
| amelia__ | all appears ok now. is there anything we should do other than report this? | 00:33 |
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| sheik | sex | 05:44 |
| alkisg | yes we all have one | 05:44 |
| sheik | really | 05:44 |
| benno_ | hi | 07:45 |
| benno_ | servus | 07:47 |
| puttimann | quit | 08:00 |
| ouroumov_ | ~ | 08:01 |
| imexil | Hi, I have probably unpopular question. I've upgraded my stock ubuntu to 16.10 and it was working fine. I thought to give mate a try and installed the mate-desktop package. There were some quirks that did not work correctly so I decided to go back to stock unity. Problem is that mate does system changes that are beyond just simple window manager. Now I have problems that my min-display port no longer sees the projector etc. | 10:14 |
| imexil | So short question is there a way to _cleanly_ remove all the mate components and have the system reconfigure to stock unity without having to do a reinstall? | 10:14 |
| alkisg | imexil: normally, if you did apt install mate-desktop, now all you need to do is apt purge --auto-remove mate-desktop | 10:23 |
| alkisg | What is a min-display port? | 10:24 |
| alkisg | Note that mate is a desktop environment, not a desktop manager | 10:24 |
| alkisg | *window manager | 10:24 |
| imexil | alkisg: Thanks. I did that actually already and still have lightdm dialogue with broken graphics (basically some gtk mixture). Mini-display port is basically an alternative to HDMI. I normally have a VGA projector connected via adapter. Under Unity it was dedected w/o problems now with the mate install it just doesn't see any devices connected. Only HDMI will work now :-( | 10:26 |
| imexil | So I guess I would need som reconfiguring of the ubuntu-desktop in addition to purging mate-desktop | 10:27 |
| alkisg | imexil: did you actually use the purge --auto-remove command, or some alternative? | 10:28 |
| imexil | I did use purge, not sure about auto-remove but now that is unfortunately to late. | 10:29 |
| alkisg | You can still try: apt-get purge --auto-remove | 10:30 |
| alkisg | See if it lists any packages | 10:30 |
| alkisg | If you want you can put the list to pastebin before accepting the purge | 10:30 |
| imexil | IIRC I used purge and then autoremove afterwards | 10:30 |
| imexil | list is empty :-( | 10:30 |
| alkisg | dpkg -l '*mate*' | grep ^ii | 10:30 |
| alkisg | That list is empty too? | 10:30 |
| imexil | no :-) | 10:31 |
| imexil | http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23343179/ | 10:31 |
| alkisg | You need to remove those as well | 10:32 |
| alkisg | And maybe even run sudo update-initramfs -u | 10:32 |
| imexil | ok will purge those and see if things get better. But is there perhaps some kind of repair trigger for the existing packages just to make sure. | 10:32 |
| alkisg | none that wouldn't have been called automatically | 10:32 |
| imexil | I see. | 10:33 |
| alkisg | Unfortunately, mate sets a grub graphics menu, and that messes up some displays | 10:33 |
| alkisg | flexiondotorg: can we ditch that, and be like all other flavors? | 10:33 |
| alkisg | It's also incredibly slow on some hardware, e.g. I've seen it need 10 seconds to draw itself | 10:33 |
| imexil | So if I knew which package from stock ubuntu touches those settings I could trigger a reinstall for that and that might fix it? | 10:34 |
| alkisg | Normally, no settings are left after a package purge | 10:34 |
| imexil | well but original settings are not restored either or? | 10:34 |
| alkisg | So normally no apt-get install --reinstall package would ever fix it | 10:34 |
| alkisg | Debian policy says that packages cannot touch the configuration files of other packages | 10:35 |
| alkisg | So there are no original settings to restore, because they're never touched | 10:35 |
| alkisg | That's why /etc/configuration.d dirs exist, to drop settings there and not need to overwrite other packages' files | 10:35 |
| imexil | Right. So I need to xplain the debian policy to my non-connecting projector then ;-) | 10:36 |
| alkisg | Right, that's clearly a bug, not by design | 10:36 |
| alkisg | For example... let's say that mate drops some grub configuration file to make that graphics menu | 10:36 |
| alkisg | and it removes it on purge, but forgets to call update-grub | 10:37 |
| alkisg | That then would be a bug on the postrm script of the mate package, not of the packages you have now still installed | 10:37 |
| alkisg | Anyway, purge those packages, run update-initramfs -u and update-grub, reboot, and see if it still happens, | 10:38 |
| alkisg | and if you still have the graphics grub menu | 10:38 |
| imexil | I understand. OK let me purge those remaining packages and then see if that improves things. Thanks for your help! | 10:38 |
| imexil | alkisg: Are these warnings something I should worry about: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23343214/? | 10:41 |
| alkisg | No, as long as all your hardware appears to be working | 10:42 |
| alkisg | Many firmware files are not distributed in packages due to copyrights | 10:42 |
| imexil | OK. I'm off for reboot | 10:42 |
| alkisg | Better? | 10:45 |
| imexil | alkisg: Now that is interesting. After purging the last mate pakages and running the update commands I NOW have mate-flavoured boot screen (before I still had the standard ubuntu one even when mate-desktop was still installed). Lightdm is still messed up. | 10:46 |
| alkisg | When you say messed up... can you post some screenshot from e.g. a mobile phone? | 10:47 |
| imexil | will do. | 10:47 |
| imexil | alkisg: OK. So I tested and the lock screen looks like it should look like: http://zb.dwe.no/?6d601973599d3a85#AeVVGYIGrGMNCfNuqQ8aP/Z8qjOZH3ofGqAcCiS6OSM= | 10:51 |
| imexil | but the login screen has some issues: http://zb.dwe.no/?468769496941a8a0#2lYO5YGiP5NGVMcNi0pgVxwcZJxeuiVdwcZkOBqHCK8= | 10:52 |
| alkisg | imexil: what's the output of this? dpkg -l '*lightdm*' | grep ^ii | 10:53 |
| imexil | http://zb.dwe.no/?d1f3f900c7e17627#gjnXG3I6Q3HfGCtQxSduPByXjPVTmRV3d0KB2zjv6kk= | 10:54 |
| alkisg | imexil: remove lightdm-gtk-greeter, and logoff/logon | 10:54 |
| imexil | OK | 10:54 |
| imexil | alkisg: Thanks that fixed the login :-) | 10:57 |
| alkisg | Cool | 10:57 |
| alkisg | So the displayport is still an issue? | 10:57 |
| imexil | I have to find out when I'm at the class room again tomorrow. | 10:58 |
| alkisg | ok | 10:58 |
| imexil | (was a bit embarrassing today when the projector in todays room ONLY had VGA and no HDMI, so I had to use teamviewer from the room's desktop win machine to present my stuff ;-) ) | 10:59 |
| alkisg | Haha... better use epoptes :D | 10:59 |
| alkisg | (epoptes.org, classroom presentation and remote control tool) | 11:00 |
| imexil | Anyway thanks for the help. And I keep you updated. And I'll remember to never mix stock ubuntu with ubuntu mate (my family members run of course mate) | 11:01 |
| alkisg | Installing multiple desktop environments isn't the best idea, yeah | 11:01 |
| imexil | Thanks to epoptes tip, never heard of it before. | 11:01 |
| alkisg | Thousands of schools use it | 11:01 |
| imexil | Right, Linux only which is a problem since Uni here is Win only (I'm being the exception :-( ) | 11:03 |
| alkisg | Ah yeah we don't care about windows :D we only used them over LTSP... | 11:03 |
| imexil | lucky you | 11:04 |
| ouroumov | <alkisg> flexiondotorg: can we ditch that, and be like all other flavors? -> I second that | 11:17 |
| ouroumov | Eye candy isn't worth the slew of graphics problems | 11:17 |
| alkisg | flexiondotorg: to be clear, I'm talking about not having "grub2-themes-ubuntu-mate" preinstalled... | 11:18 |
| ouroumov | I'd rather default/grub would have GRUB_TERMINAL=console uncommented by default | 11:19 |
| alkisg | I agree, but that would be a base ubuntu change, not a flavour change | 11:20 |
| ouroumov | yeah :/ | 11:20 |
| rtinoco | hello guys | 13:22 |
| lowkey__ | Hi, I have been AFK a few hours and on my return the top menu is gone | 14:43 |
| lowkey__ | might be a hibernation or similar issue | 14:44 |
| nomic | lowkey | 15:02 |
| nomic | you maybe deleted it | 15:02 |
| nomic | log off, on again | 15:02 |
| lowkey__ | ubuntu 16.04 has experinced an internal error | 15:05 |
| lowkey__ | did i delete the top(start) menu | 15:07 |
| lowkey__ | more likely that someone is trolling me through my computer | 15:10 |
| lowkey__ | do I use use mate-session-save --force-logout nomic ? | 15:13 |
| nomic | "top menu" -- you mean the panel | 15:14 |
| nomic | if you logoff, it should return | 15:14 |
| lowkey__ | but what is the terminal comand | 15:16 |
| lowkey__ | nomic Command ? | 15:19 |
| nomic | logoff? | 15:21 |
| nomic | sudo reboot | 15:21 |
| nomic | try 'please' | 15:21 |
| lowkey__ | mate-session-save --force-logout | 15:25 |
| lowkey_ | I figured out i turned on my reviver that is connected to my HDMI and the PC screen is just and extension after that that only shows the background wallpaper | 15:32 |
| lowkey_ | If you guys had mirror image (same image on all monitor) as default it would be better but then again it is not about making stuff better now is it? | 15:35 |
| nomic | get lost | 15:40 |
| lowkey_ | i am | 15:40 |
| nomic | either shut up or contribute | 15:40 |
| nomic | your problem was sorted, now go away | 15:40 |
| nomic | or go back to windows, idiot. | 15:40 |
| lowkey_ | I did 8 years ago notting has changed | 15:41 |
| lowkey_ | I would even say it is worse | 15:42 |
| bert_ | bonsoir à Tous , Hello All's | 17:38 |
| ouroumov_ | lo bert_ | 17:38 |
| bert_ | lu ouroumov | 17:39 |
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