[00:30] we just got jumped with a HORRIBLE virus. It was on MSNBC. and our keyboard became unresponsive. [00:31] it was honking and saying "do not delete this page or your hard drive will crash" and said to call the toll free number on the screen, to press 1 for instructions. [00:32] there was no number. I think they wanted me to put in my password. I did not. really shook up my husband and myself. [00:33] finally turned off the computer completely, stared at each other for awhile, started it back up, and there was a long list of things it was "clearing" on upper left hand corner. [00:33] all appears ok now. is there anything we should do other than report this? === scott is now known as Guest60738 === scott_ is now known as Guest22026 === rebus is now known as Guest26278 [05:44] sex [05:44] yes we all have one [05:44] really [07:45] hi [07:47] servus [08:00] quit [08:01] ~ [10:14] Hi, I have probably unpopular question. I've upgraded my stock ubuntu to 16.10 and it was working fine. I thought to give mate a try and installed the mate-desktop package. There were some quirks that did not work correctly so I decided to go back to stock unity. Problem is that mate does system changes that are beyond just simple window manager. Now I have problems that my min-display port no longer sees the projector etc. [10:14] So short question is there a way to _cleanly_ remove all the mate components and have the system reconfigure to stock unity without having to do a reinstall? [10:23] imexil: normally, if you did apt install mate-desktop, now all you need to do is apt purge --auto-remove mate-desktop [10:24] What is a min-display port? [10:24] Note that mate is a desktop environment, not a desktop manager [10:24] *window manager [10:26] alkisg: Thanks. I did that actually already and still have lightdm dialogue with broken graphics (basically some gtk mixture). Mini-display port is basically an alternative to HDMI. I normally have a VGA projector connected via adapter. Under Unity it was dedected w/o problems now with the mate install it just doesn't see any devices connected. Only HDMI will work now :-( [10:27] So I guess I would need som reconfiguring of the ubuntu-desktop in addition to purging mate-desktop [10:28] imexil: did you actually use the purge --auto-remove command, or some alternative? [10:29] I did use purge, not sure about auto-remove but now that is unfortunately to late. [10:30] You can still try: apt-get purge --auto-remove [10:30] See if it lists any packages [10:30] If you want you can put the list to pastebin before accepting the purge [10:30] IIRC I used purge and then autoremove afterwards [10:30] list is empty :-( [10:30] dpkg -l '*mate*' | grep ^ii [10:30] That list is empty too? [10:31] no :-) [10:31] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23343179/ [10:32] You need to remove those as well [10:32] And maybe even run sudo update-initramfs -u [10:32] ok will purge those and see if things get better. But is there perhaps some kind of repair trigger for the existing packages just to make sure. [10:32] none that wouldn't have been called automatically [10:33] I see. [10:33] Unfortunately, mate sets a grub graphics menu, and that messes up some displays [10:33] flexiondotorg: can we ditch that, and be like all other flavors? [10:33] It's also incredibly slow on some hardware, e.g. I've seen it need 10 seconds to draw itself [10:34] So if I knew which package from stock ubuntu touches those settings I could trigger a reinstall for that and that might fix it? [10:34] Normally, no settings are left after a package purge [10:34] well but original settings are not restored either or? [10:34] So normally no apt-get install --reinstall package would ever fix it [10:35] Debian policy says that packages cannot touch the configuration files of other packages [10:35] So there are no original settings to restore, because they're never touched [10:35] That's why /etc/configuration.d dirs exist, to drop settings there and not need to overwrite other packages' files [10:36] Right. So I need to xplain the debian policy to my non-connecting projector then ;-) [10:36] Right, that's clearly a bug, not by design [10:36] For example... let's say that mate drops some grub configuration file to make that graphics menu [10:37] and it removes it on purge, but forgets to call update-grub [10:37] That then would be a bug on the postrm script of the mate package, not of the packages you have now still installed [10:38] Anyway, purge those packages, run update-initramfs -u and update-grub, reboot, and see if it still happens, [10:38] and if you still have the graphics grub menu [10:38] I understand. OK let me purge those remaining packages and then see if that improves things. Thanks for your help! [10:41] alkisg: Are these warnings something I should worry about: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23343214/? [10:42] No, as long as all your hardware appears to be working [10:42] Many firmware files are not distributed in packages due to copyrights [10:42] OK. I'm off for reboot [10:45] Better? [10:46] alkisg: Now that is interesting. After purging the last mate pakages and running the update commands I NOW have mate-flavoured boot screen (before I still had the standard ubuntu one even when mate-desktop was still installed). Lightdm is still messed up. [10:47] When you say messed up... can you post some screenshot from e.g. a mobile phone? [10:47] will do. [10:51] alkisg: OK. So I tested and the lock screen looks like it should look like: http://zb.dwe.no/?6d601973599d3a85#AeVVGYIGrGMNCfNuqQ8aP/Z8qjOZH3ofGqAcCiS6OSM= [10:52] but the login screen has some issues: http://zb.dwe.no/?468769496941a8a0#2lYO5YGiP5NGVMcNi0pgVxwcZJxeuiVdwcZkOBqHCK8= [10:53] imexil: what's the output of this? dpkg -l '*lightdm*' | grep ^ii [10:54] http://zb.dwe.no/?d1f3f900c7e17627#gjnXG3I6Q3HfGCtQxSduPByXjPVTmRV3d0KB2zjv6kk= [10:54] imexil: remove lightdm-gtk-greeter, and logoff/logon [10:54] OK [10:57] alkisg: Thanks that fixed the login :-) [10:57] Cool [10:57] So the displayport is still an issue? [10:58] I have to find out when I'm at the class room again tomorrow. [10:58] ok [10:59] (was a bit embarrassing today when the projector in todays room ONLY had VGA and no HDMI, so I had to use teamviewer from the room's desktop win machine to present my stuff ;-) ) [10:59] Haha... better use epoptes :D [11:00] (epoptes.org, classroom presentation and remote control tool) [11:01] Anyway thanks for the help. And I keep you updated. And I'll remember to never mix stock ubuntu with ubuntu mate (my family members run of course mate) [11:01] Installing multiple desktop environments isn't the best idea, yeah [11:01] Thanks to epoptes tip, never heard of it before. [11:01] Thousands of schools use it [11:03] Right, Linux only which is a problem since Uni here is Win only (I'm being the exception :-( ) [11:03] Ah yeah we don't care about windows :D we only used them over LTSP... [11:04] lucky you [11:17] flexiondotorg: can we ditch that, and be like all other flavors? -> I second that [11:17] Eye candy isn't worth the slew of graphics problems [11:18] flexiondotorg: to be clear, I'm talking about not having "grub2-themes-ubuntu-mate" preinstalled... [11:19] I'd rather default/grub would have GRUB_TERMINAL=console uncommented by default [11:20] I agree, but that would be a base ubuntu change, not a flavour change [11:20] yeah :/ [13:22] hello guys [14:43] Hi, I have been AFK a few hours and on my return the top menu is gone [14:44] might be a hibernation or similar issue [15:02] lowkey [15:02] you maybe deleted it [15:02] log off, on again [15:05] ubuntu 16.04 has experinced an internal error [15:07] did i delete the top(start) menu [15:10] more likely that someone is trolling me through my computer [15:13] do I use use mate-session-save --force-logout nomic ? [15:14] "top menu" -- you mean the panel [15:14] if you logoff, it should return [15:16] but what is the terminal comand [15:19] nomic Command ? [15:21] logoff? [15:21] sudo reboot [15:21] try 'please' [15:25] mate-session-save --force-logout [15:32] I figured out i turned on my reviver that is connected to my HDMI and the PC screen is just and extension after that that only shows the background wallpaper [15:35] If you guys had mirror image (same image on all monitor) as default it would be better but then again it is not about making stuff better now is it? [15:40] get lost [15:40] i am [15:40] either shut up or contribute [15:40] your problem was sorted, now go away [15:40] or go back to windows, idiot. [15:41] I did 8 years ago notting has changed [15:42] I would even say it is worse [17:38] bonsoir à Tous , Hello All's [17:38] lo bert_ [17:39] lu ouroumov