[00:30] <amelia__> we just got jumped with a HORRIBLE virus. It was on MSNBC. and our keyboard became unresponsive.
[00:31] <amelia__> it was honking and saying "do not delete this page or your hard drive will crash" and said to call the toll free number on the screen, to press 1 for instructions.
[00:32] <amelia__> there was no number. I think they wanted me to put in my password. I did not. really shook up my husband and myself.
[00:33] <amelia__> finally turned off the computer completely, stared at each other for awhile, started it back up, and there was a long list of things it was "clearing" on upper left hand corner.
[00:33] <amelia__> all appears ok now. is there anything we should do other than report this?
[05:44] <sheik> sex
[05:44] <alkisg> yes we all have one
[05:44] <sheik> really
[07:45] <benno_> hi
[07:47] <benno_> servus
[08:00] <puttimann> quit
[08:01] <ouroumov_> ~
[10:14] <imexil> Hi, I have probably unpopular question. I've upgraded my stock ubuntu to 16.10 and it was working fine. I thought to give mate a try and installed the mate-desktop package. There were some quirks that did not work correctly so I decided to go back to stock unity. Problem is that mate does system changes that are beyond just simple window manager. Now I have problems that my min-display port no longer sees the projector etc.
[10:14] <imexil> So short question is there a way to _cleanly_ remove all the mate components and have the system reconfigure to stock unity without having to do a reinstall?
[10:23] <alkisg> imexil: normally, if you did apt install mate-desktop, now all you need to do is apt purge --auto-remove mate-desktop
[10:24] <alkisg> What is a min-display port?
[10:24] <alkisg> Note that mate is a desktop environment, not a desktop manager
[10:24] <alkisg> *window manager
[10:26] <imexil> alkisg: Thanks. I did that actually already and still have lightdm dialogue with broken graphics (basically some gtk mixture). Mini-display port is basically an alternative to HDMI. I normally have a VGA projector connected via adapter. Under Unity it was dedected w/o problems now with the mate install it just doesn't see any devices connected. Only HDMI will work now :-(
[10:27] <imexil> So I guess I would need som reconfiguring of the ubuntu-desktop in addition to purging mate-desktop
[10:28] <alkisg> imexil: did you actually use the purge --auto-remove command, or some alternative?
[10:29] <imexil> I did use purge, not sure about auto-remove but now that is unfortunately to late.
[10:30] <alkisg> You can still try: apt-get purge --auto-remove
[10:30] <alkisg> See if it lists any packages
[10:30] <alkisg> If you want you can put the list to pastebin before accepting the purge
[10:30] <imexil> IIRC I used purge and then autoremove afterwards
[10:30] <imexil> list is empty :-(
[10:30] <alkisg> dpkg -l '*mate*' | grep ^ii
[10:30] <alkisg> That list is empty too?
[10:31] <imexil> no :-)
[10:31] <imexil> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23343179/
[10:32] <alkisg> You need to remove those as well
[10:32] <alkisg> And maybe even run sudo update-initramfs -u
[10:32] <imexil> ok will purge those and see if things get better. But is there perhaps some kind of repair trigger for the existing packages just to make sure.
[10:32] <alkisg> none that wouldn't have been called automatically
[10:33] <imexil> I see.
[10:33] <alkisg> Unfortunately, mate sets a grub graphics menu, and that messes up some displays
[10:33] <alkisg> flexiondotorg: can we ditch that, and be like all other flavors?
[10:33] <alkisg> It's also incredibly slow on some hardware, e.g. I've seen it need 10 seconds to draw itself
[10:34] <imexil> So if I knew which package from stock ubuntu touches those settings I could trigger a reinstall for that and that might fix it?
[10:34] <alkisg> Normally, no settings are left after a package purge
[10:34] <imexil> well but original settings are not restored either or?
[10:34] <alkisg> So normally no apt-get install --reinstall package would ever fix it
[10:35] <alkisg> Debian policy says that packages cannot touch the configuration files of other packages
[10:35] <alkisg> So there are no original settings to restore, because they're never touched
[10:35] <alkisg> That's why /etc/configuration.d dirs exist, to drop settings there and not need to overwrite other packages' files
[10:36] <imexil> Right. So I need to xplain the debian policy to my non-connecting projector then ;-)
[10:36] <alkisg> Right, that's clearly a bug, not by design
[10:36] <alkisg> For example... let's say that mate drops some grub configuration file to make that graphics menu
[10:37] <alkisg> and it removes it on purge, but forgets to call update-grub
[10:37] <alkisg> That then would be a bug on the postrm script of the mate package, not of the packages you have now still installed
[10:38] <alkisg> Anyway, purge those packages, run update-initramfs -u and update-grub, reboot, and see if it still happens,
[10:38] <alkisg> and if you still have the graphics grub menu
[10:38] <imexil> I understand. OK let me purge those remaining packages and then see if that improves things. Thanks for your help!
[10:41] <imexil> alkisg: Are these warnings something I should worry about: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23343214/?
[10:42] <alkisg> No, as long as all your hardware appears to be working
[10:42] <alkisg> Many firmware files are not distributed in packages due to copyrights
[10:42] <imexil> OK. I'm off for reboot
[10:45] <alkisg> Better?
[10:46] <imexil> alkisg: Now that is interesting. After purging the last mate pakages and running the update commands I NOW have mate-flavoured boot screen (before I still had the standard ubuntu one even when mate-desktop was still installed). Lightdm is still messed up.
[10:47] <alkisg> When you say messed up... can you post some screenshot from e.g. a mobile phone?
[10:47] <imexil> will do.
[10:51] <imexil> alkisg: OK. So I tested and the lock screen looks like it should look like: http://zb.dwe.no/?6d601973599d3a85#AeVVGYIGrGMNCfNuqQ8aP/Z8qjOZH3ofGqAcCiS6OSM=
[10:52] <imexil> but the login screen has some issues: http://zb.dwe.no/?468769496941a8a0#2lYO5YGiP5NGVMcNi0pgVxwcZJxeuiVdwcZkOBqHCK8=
[10:53] <alkisg> imexil: what's the output of this? dpkg -l '*lightdm*' | grep ^ii
[10:54] <imexil> http://zb.dwe.no/?d1f3f900c7e17627#gjnXG3I6Q3HfGCtQxSduPByXjPVTmRV3d0KB2zjv6kk=
[10:54] <alkisg> imexil: remove lightdm-gtk-greeter, and logoff/logon
[10:54] <imexil> OK
[10:57] <imexil> alkisg: Thanks that fixed the login :-)
[10:57] <alkisg> Cool
[10:57] <alkisg> So the displayport is still an issue?
[10:58] <imexil> I have to find out when I'm at the class room again tomorrow.
[10:58] <alkisg> ok
[10:59] <imexil> (was a bit embarrassing today when the projector in todays room ONLY had VGA and no HDMI, so I had to use teamviewer from the room's desktop win machine to present my stuff ;-) )
[10:59] <alkisg> Haha... better use epoptes :D
[11:00] <alkisg> (epoptes.org, classroom presentation and remote control tool)
[11:01] <imexil> Anyway thanks for the help. And I keep you updated. And I'll remember to never mix stock ubuntu with ubuntu mate (my family members run of course mate)
[11:01] <alkisg> Installing multiple desktop environments isn't the best idea, yeah
[11:01] <imexil> Thanks to epoptes tip, never heard of it before.
[11:01] <alkisg> Thousands of schools use it
[11:03] <imexil> Right, Linux only which is a problem since Uni here is Win only (I'm being the exception :-( )
[11:03] <alkisg> Ah yeah we don't care about windows :D we only used them over LTSP...
[11:04] <imexil> lucky you
 flexiondotorg: can we ditch that, and be like all other flavors? -> I second that
[11:17] <ouroumov> Eye candy isn't worth the slew of graphics problems
[11:18] <alkisg> flexiondotorg: to be clear, I'm talking about not having "grub2-themes-ubuntu-mate" preinstalled...
[11:19] <ouroumov> I'd rather default/grub would have GRUB_TERMINAL=console uncommented by default
[11:20] <alkisg> I agree, but that would be a base ubuntu change, not a flavour change
[11:20] <ouroumov> yeah :/
[13:22] <rtinoco> hello guys
[14:43] <lowkey__> Hi, I have been AFK a few hours and on my return the top menu is gone
[14:44] <lowkey__> might be a hibernation or similar issue
[15:02] <nomic> lowkey
[15:02] <nomic> you maybe deleted it
[15:02] <nomic> log off, on again
[15:05] <lowkey__> ubuntu 16.04 has experinced an internal error
[15:07] <lowkey__> did i delete the top(start) menu
[15:10] <lowkey__> more likely that someone is trolling me through my computer
[15:13] <lowkey__> do I use use mate-session-save --force-logout nomic ?
[15:14] <nomic> "top menu" -- you mean the panel
[15:14] <nomic> if you logoff, it should return
[15:16] <lowkey__> but what is the terminal comand
[15:19] <lowkey__> nomic Command ?
[15:21] <nomic> logoff?
[15:21] <nomic> sudo reboot
[15:21] <nomic> try 'please'
[15:25] <lowkey__> mate-session-save --force-logout
[15:32] <lowkey_> I figured out i turned on my reviver that is connected to my HDMI and the PC screen is just and extension after that that only shows the background wallpaper
[15:35] <lowkey_> If you guys had mirror image (same image on all monitor) as default it would be better but then again it is not about making stuff better now is it?
[15:40] <nomic> get lost
[15:40] <lowkey_> i am
[15:40] <nomic> either shut up or contribute
[15:40] <nomic> your problem was sorted, now go away
[15:40] <nomic> or go back to windows, idiot.
[15:41] <lowkey_> I did 8 years ago notting has changed
[15:42] <lowkey_> I would even say it is worse
[17:38] <bert_> bonsoir à Tous , Hello All's
[17:38] <ouroumov_> lo bert_
[17:39] <bert_> lu ouroumov