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| cpaelzer | o/ | 15:59 |
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| powersj | o/ | 16:00 |
| jgrimm | o/ | 16:01 |
| powersj | wait a min. or two? | 16:01 |
| rharper | o/ | 16:01 |
| cpaelzer | depends no how much showed up, you might highlight some you consider missing | 16:01 |
| jgrimm | yeah, i just poked internal channel | 16:02 |
| nacc | o/ | 16:02 |
| brauner | o/ | 16:02 |
| nacc | sorry was messing with the importer | 16:02 |
| powersj | ok let's see if I do this right :) | 16:03 |
| jgrimm | :) | 16:03 |
| smoser | o/ | 16:03 |
| powersj | #startmeeting ubuntu-server-team | 16:03 |
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| meetingology | Available commands: action commands idea info link nick | 16:03 |
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| powersj | #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting | 16:03 |
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| powersj | (jamespage) checkin with old iscsitarget users on relevancy with new kernels | 16:03 |
| powersj | anything here? | 16:04 |
| jgrimm | powersj, if we don't get an update in next irc meeting, i'll work via email | 16:04 |
| powersj | ok, moving on | 16:05 |
| powersj | #topic Yakkety Development | 16:05 |
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| powersj | #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YakketyYak/ReleaseSchedule | 16:05 |
| nacc | that should be Zesty now, right? | 16:05 |
| powersj | done with this topic now? | 16:05 |
| powersj | :) | 16:05 |
| jgrimm | :) | 16:05 |
| cpaelzer | nacc: it is not there yet | 16:05 |
| powersj | any lingering or post-release yakkety issues? | 16:05 |
| nacc | cpaelzer: which is not? | 16:06 |
| jgrimm | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-z-server-core | 16:06 |
| jgrimm | just a reminder that the blueprint is open for business that we want to track ^^ | 16:06 |
| rharper | jgrimm: we may want to add the /boot install outcome | 16:07 |
| powersj | great! anything else for yakkety or zesty dev? | 16:07 |
| jgrimm | rharper, agreed. i'll fix now | 16:07 |
| nacc | jgrimm: would you be ok with adding putting the importer live to the blueprint? or should we keep it unofficial? :) | 16:07 |
| rharper | I think rbasak was going to take that to ubuntu-devel as well | 16:07 |
| jgrimm | rharper, yep | 16:08 |
| jgrimm | nacc, feel free to use blueprint for it (or create new separate and link) | 16:08 |
| nacc | jgrimm: thanks | 16:08 |
| jgrimm | its not terribly formal.. however we feel it helps us be effective. | 16:08 |
| nacc | absolutely | 16:08 |
| jgrimm | rharper, added /boot to blueprit | 16:09 |
| jgrimm | blueprint even | 16:09 |
| powersj | ok moving on | 16:09 |
| powersj | #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-y-tracking-bug-tasks.html#ubuntu-server | 16:09 |
| powersj | wwops | 16:09 |
| powersj | #subtopic Release Bugs | 16:09 |
| powersj | do we have rbasak? | 16:10 |
| nacc | i recollect seeing in my scrollback he might be out | 16:10 |
| jgrimm | ah, new stuff in the report at least | 16:10 |
| powersj | ah yes he is out today | 16:10 |
| jgrimm | powersj, i just did a quick look at the y report. all have owners or in progress that I don't see anything worth bringing up here. | 16:11 |
| powersj | jgrimm: thank you! moving on | 16:11 |
| powersj | #topic Server & Cloud Bugs (caribou) | 16:11 |
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| powersj | #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-x-tracking-bug-tasks.html#ubuntu-server | 16:11 |
| jgrimm | powersj, caribou unable to make it today, sent status ahead of time that he had nothing to bring up today | 16:12 |
| powersj | making this easy on me ;) | 16:12 |
| powersj | #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (powersj) | 16:12 |
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| powersj | #link https://jenkins.ubuntu.com/server/ | 16:12 |
| powersj | Yakkety ISO testing last week, few issues with ppc64el and ppc | 16:12 |
| powersj | Focus is on cloud-init integration testing. Goal is still to have something working by Friday in our jenkins (linked above) | 16:13 |
| powersj | any questions for me? | 16:13 |
| smoser | powersj, woot! | 16:13 |
| jgrimm | looks good. will be great to have cloud-init integration tests finally ! | 16:13 |
| powersj | :) | 16:13 |
| powersj | ok moving on then | 16:14 |
| cpaelzer | I still feel too red on the migration tests powersj | 16:14 |
| cpaelzer | is the ball currently with you or me ? | 16:14 |
| powersj | cpaelzer: I agree - let me remind myself of status later today and send you mail | 16:14 |
| cpaelzer | powersj: I'll let you remind yourself :-P | 16:14 |
| powersj | :) | 16:14 |
| powersj | #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb, sforshee) | 16:14 |
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| * cpaelzer stops stropping people reminding things | 16:14 | |
| cpaelzer | stopping even | 16:15 |
| smb | Nothing to report from here | 16:15 |
| powersj | ok | 16:15 |
| powersj | #topic Upcoming Call For Papers | 16:15 |
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| powersj | anything here? | 16:16 |
| jgrimm | checking | 16:16 |
| jgrimm | CFP for OSCON is Oct 25, FOSDEM is Oct 31. | 16:17 |
| jgrimm | powersj, fwiw.. i usually rely upon the LWN CFP deadline page. | 16:18 |
| powersj | jgrimm: good to know, I will go read that after this | 16:18 |
| powersj | anything else from folks? | 16:19 |
| rharper | jgrimm: link ? | 16:19 |
| rharper | just # link it here | 16:19 |
| jgrimm | #link http://lwn.net/Calendar/Monthly/cfp/ | 16:19 |
| powersj | excellent, thank you! | 16:20 |
| jgrimm | np | 16:20 |
| powersj | #topic Ubuntu Server Team Events | 16:20 |
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| smoser | is zesty open for uploads ? | 16:20 |
| jgrimm | good question | 16:20 |
| cpaelzer | smoser: not a few hours ago | 16:20 |
| cpaelzer | smoser: I saw xnox having extra work since not all things were ready | 16:20 |
| cpaelzer | smoser: so I wouldn't rush things today unless we hear a "go" | 16:21 |
| nacc | i'm seeing stuff go into z-p on #ubuntu-release | 16:21 |
| jgrimm | ooo > Unapproved: mistral (zesty-proposed/universe) [3.0.0-1 => 3.0.0-1ubuntu1] (no packageset | 16:21 |
| nacc | but that might be an artifact of the copy forward? | 16:21 |
| nacc | not sure | 16:21 |
| nacc | the /topic says its still closed | 16:21 |
| cpaelzer | well then it was resolved in the last few hours | 16:21 |
| cpaelzer | but copy? | 16:21 |
| jgrimm | so some bits getting close | 16:21 |
| cpaelzer | yeah ack | 16:21 |
| powersj | anyting for team events? | 16:22 |
| powersj | anything rather | 16:22 |
| powersj | ok, moving on | 16:23 |
| powersj | #topic Open Discussion | 16:23 |
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| cpaelzer | I have two topics for this one | 16:23 |
| cpaelzer | One would be a discussion on proactive stable updates for qemu | 16:24 |
| cpaelzer | I found that 2.5 got 2.5.1 and 2.5.1.1 upstream | 16:24 |
| cpaelzer | FYI - http://paste.ubuntu.com/23344536/ | 16:24 |
| cpaelzer | the CVEs are already in by the security Team | 16:24 |
| cpaelzer | 2.5 is Xenial = LTS | 16:24 |
| nacc | cpaelzer: would this be a MRE kind of thing? | 16:24 |
| nacc | Micro Release Exception | 16:24 |
| cpaelzer | that is kind of what I'm wondering about | 16:24 |
| rharper | I don't think so | 16:24 |
| rharper | those are all bugs (just not filed against xenial) | 16:25 |
| cpaelzer | I'd think since it is only bug fixes not | 16:25 |
| cpaelzer | rharper: exactly | 16:25 |
| nacc | rharper: ah ok | 16:25 |
| cpaelzer | I would suggest I open a bug and work against that over the next time, but wanted to ask for any objections | 16:25 |
| cpaelzer | like "we usually don't because ..." | 16:25 |
| rharper | I think we should chat with the openstack team | 16:25 |
| nacc | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#New_upstream_microreleases fwiw, MRE is for (aiui) bugfix microreleases upstream | 16:25 |
| rharper | they possibly have a similar cadence of changes/fixes | 16:25 |
| cpaelzer | FYI - debian hasn't got to them since all releases are on 2.4.* or 2.6.* now | 16:25 |
| nacc | that's what i followed for php7.0, e.g. | 16:26 |
| rharper | nacc: ah, nice | 16:26 |
| cpaelzer | nacc: interesting | 16:26 |
| nacc | it just puts it on the SRU team radar to approve a 'new' upstream version (not normally allowed) in the SRU | 16:26 |
| cpaelzer | ok, without objection I think I'll handle this as such microrelease | 16:26 |
| rharper | cpaelzer: won't that increase delta? | 16:26 |
| rharper | until sync? | 16:27 |
| cpaelzer | rharper: it will increase the delta to something that isn't maintained - that is what I tried to say above | 16:27 |
| nacc | cpaelzer: fyi, LP: #1569609 is how i filed it | 16:27 |
| cpaelzer | Debian is either on <2.5 or >2.5 on all releases | 16:27 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1569609 in php7.0 (Ubuntu Xenial) "[SRU] microrelease exception for src:php7.0" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1569609 | 16:27 |
| nacc | and y is already on 2.6.x right? | 16:27 |
| nacc | rharper: so this would only be for x, aiui | 16:28 |
| cpaelzer | yes Y=2.6 | 16:28 |
| cpaelzer | exactly | 16:28 |
| rharper | well, why not T or P ? | 16:28 |
| cpaelzer | it is only X for all of the Debian/Ubuntu world | 16:28 |
| rharper | I guess I don't get why we're doing it now and only for X ? | 16:28 |
| cpaelzer | rharper: I didn't check the same might apply for T (and update to 2.0) | 16:28 |
| rharper | it's a nice to have | 16:28 |
| nacc | because somebody cares enough to do it? :) | 16:28 |
| rharper | not a care | 16:28 |
| rharper | a _cost_ | 16:28 |
| rharper | which we've not explored w.r.t impact on other choices | 16:29 |
| nacc | i thought cpaelzer was saying the cost was we might get bugs for all of the bugfixes | 16:29 |
| nacc | so we'd be backporting those individually to x | 16:29 |
| rharper | but if we don't get those? | 16:29 |
| nacc | i mean, they are known bugs in the upstream version x is based on | 16:29 |
| rharper | so, in the past, it's been a judgement call during the process | 16:29 |
| cpaelzer | nacc: right, I thought those are known issues and fixing bugs in non emergency mode as a batch would be worth it | 16:29 |
| nacc | rharper: yeah, i'm not sure what makes the most sense | 16:30 |
| rharper | let's continue the discussion w.r.t trade-offs of time vs. benefit; I think jgrimm and openstack folks should opine on the matter | 16:30 |
| jgrimm | cpaelzer, have you done any looking at the bugs fixed to see if any of that list seem critical? | 16:30 |
| rharper | we could discuss this next week and return here with our findings | 16:31 |
| cpaelzer | jgrimm: just slightly, would need a bit more time to do so | 16:31 |
| jgrimm | i do think i can be swayed, as qemu is critical component to our stack | 16:31 |
| nacc | sounds like an action item :) | 16:31 |
| cpaelzer | rharper: that is good, I'll analyze the severity and come back with it | 16:31 |
| rharper | right, and getting some input from other teams | 16:31 |
| rharper | will it increase churn? help them out? | 16:31 |
| cpaelzer | #action cpaelzer investigating severity of issues covered by qemu 2.5. stable releases and ask other Teams on their input | 16:32 |
| meetingology | ACTION: cpaelzer investigating severity of issues covered by qemu 2.5. stable releases and ask other Teams on their input | 16:32 |
| nacc | yeah, the testing impact is a good point, it's an integration point | 16:32 |
| powersj | cpaelzer: was that both of your topics? | 16:32 |
| cpaelzer | that was one | 16:32 |
| rharper | one more =) | 16:32 |
| jgrimm | fwiw, the newton c-a, does _not_ include a y qemu. | 16:32 |
| rharper | jgrimm: it won't until Z | 16:33 |
| rharper | IIUC | 16:33 |
| * cpaelzer is moving to second topic | 16:33 | |
| rharper | they pull from archive until it goes out of support | 16:33 |
| jgrimm | rharper, ack | 16:33 |
| cpaelzer | that actually was brought up by rharper - which was TL;DR "We should follow-up on this:" in regard to VNIC offloads | 16:34 |
| cpaelzer | I think here is the right place to discuss, unless you prefer doing that via ML | 16:34 |
| cpaelzer | #link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjlyutCppcU&list=PLrninrcyMo3IkTvpvM2LK6gn4NdbFhI0G&index=10 | 16:35 |
| rharper | sure; at netdev 1.2 there was a discussion on vnic performance and specifically offload features, in KVM and containers | 16:35 |
| cpaelzer | I checked Xenial and Yakkety and we were already at the recommended setting | 16:35 |
| rharper | exercised on top of 16.04 | 16:35 |
| rharper | I wanted to see the paper/slides so I could get the data | 16:35 |
| cpaelzer | the question is what else could/should we (not?) do based on that | 16:35 |
| cpaelzer | rharper: getting data would be nice - just to see if there are any outliers that we want to care for | 16:36 |
| rharper | yeah | 16:36 |
| rharper | exactly | 16:36 |
| rharper | specifically VM to VM and container to container (LXD) vs. say docker (libnetwork ) | 16:36 |
| rharper | bridge mode vs. something else | 16:36 |
| cpaelzer | what is good is that the most common "huge" case for us will be openstack and that is optimized a lot for east/west traffic in VM/VM | 16:36 |
| rharper | right | 16:37 |
| cpaelzer | about 4 times faster than what they had, but getting access to the data would allow to get from "I assume" to "we know" | 16:37 |
| cpaelzer | and for the container east/west I'm interested to know about | 16:37 |
| cpaelzer | rharper: will you kindly inquire that data? | 16:37 |
| rharper | yeah, I need to look around for more details | 16:37 |
| rharper | the other performance (which I don't know if the video covered) | 16:38 |
| rharper | is small-packet-performance, latency | 16:38 |
| cpaelzer | rharper: the video did not cover the others | 16:38 |
| cpaelzer | rharper: I had it running in background | 16:38 |
| cpaelzer | rharper: didn't come back to it | 16:38 |
| rharper | I ran across an interesting KVM paper on that; | 16:38 |
| cpaelzer | rharper: wait that was Stephen Hemminger right? | 16:38 |
| rharper | yes | 16:38 |
| cpaelzer | I'll likely meet him on Thursday on DPDK Userspace | 16:39 |
| cpaelzer | while I feel buried I tihnk I'll define another action for me | 16:39 |
| cpaelzer | at least to kindly ask for more there | 16:39 |
| rharper | sure | 16:39 |
| cpaelzer | #action cpaelzer will try to ask Stephen Hemminger for more data on the netdev presentation | 16:39 |
| meetingology | ACTION: cpaelzer will try to ask Stephen Hemminger for more data on the netdev presentation | 16:39 |
| powersj | any other actions? | 16:39 |
| cpaelzer | I stalled you long enough - I'm done | 16:40 |
| powersj | any other topics? | 16:40 |
| jgrimm | nacc, .. import status? | 16:40 |
| powersj | yes - shall I update the agenda to say "zesty" instead of "yakkety"? | 16:40 |
| jgrimm | powersj, yes please! | 16:40 |
| brauner | have we agreed on zesty as the new release name? | 16:40 |
| powersj | #ACTION powersj to update agenda to remove yakkety add in zesty | 16:41 |
| meetingology | ACTION: powersj to update agenda to remove yakkety add in zesty | 16:41 |
| rharper | #link http://www.linux-kvm.org/images/d/df/02x11-AspenMario_Smarduch-Migrating_NFV_applicatoins_to_KVM_Guest.pdf | 16:41 |
| jgrimm | brauner: Zesty Zapus | 16:41 |
| nacc | jgrimm: i need to sync with rbasak on tagging and we should be ready for 1.0 | 16:41 |
| powersj | brauner: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/ | 16:41 |
| nacc | jgrimm: importer seemed to run fine last night on the packages we care about, i wanted to confirm with rbasak that all the MRs we did last cycle are tagged | 16:41 |
| jgrimm | cool.. we can start assigning out some merges once done and zesty open for business! | 16:42 |
| nacc | jgrimm: my plan is to update all the lpusip trees by EOW and then we will look to flip over to lpusdp | 16:42 |
| jgrimm | great! | 16:42 |
| nacc | working on documentation today | 16:42 |
| powersj | last call! | 16:43 |
| powersj | #topic Assigned merges/bugwork (rbasak) | 16:43 |
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| powersj | since he is out, just a friendly reminder to update the sheet! | 16:44 |
| * jgrimm thought he killed that from agenda | 16:44 | |
| powersj | lol it is in the copy and paste page | 16:44 |
| jgrimm | ahhh | 16:44 |
| powersj | I'll remove it | 16:44 |
| jgrimm | thanks | 16:44 |
| powersj | #topic Announce next meeting date, time and chair | 16:44 |
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| powersj | Same time, same place | 16:44 |
| powersj | beisner will be our host | 16:44 |
| powersj | that's all folks! | 16:45 |
| powersj | #endmeeting | 16:45 |
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| meetingology | Meeting ended Tue Oct 18 16:45:06 2016 UTC. | 16:45 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-10-18-16.03.moin.txt | 16:45 |
| rharper | powersj: thanks ! | 16:45 |
| nacc | powersj: thanks! | 16:45 |
| jgrimm | thanks powersj | 16:45 |
| powersj | o/ | 16:45 |
| jgrimm | powersj, http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-10-18-16.03.moin.txt | 17:19 |
| powersj | jgrimm: brilliant thank you | 17:19 |
| jgrimm | np, you'll see that above ^^ when you did your endmeeting | 17:20 |
| powersj | oh look at that :) | 17:20 |
| xnox | cpaelzer, yeah adam will send archive open for development email, when it's open. | 22:03 |
| xnox | if you upload things now they will just be stuck in unapproved queue for zesty | 22:03 |
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