[06:01] <knightwise> There :) all archives of the Daily Source Code podcast aquired and archives for prosperity
[06:24] <popey> Morning all
[06:24] <knightwise> hey popey
[06:24] <knightwise> howz the pi goin
[06:27] <popey> knightwise: pi be good
[06:32] <Gargoyle> mornin
[07:53] <diplo> Morning all
[08:46] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:08] <Gargoyle> Does anyone have any suggestions for a better terminal than the default one?
[10:08] <Gargoyle> One feature I miss from OSX is the ability to press ctrl-l to clear the display. (Doesn't work on the default if a program is running)
[10:11] <zmoylan-pi> check it's keyboard commands in case it uses a different one?
[10:17] <foobarry> if a program is running?
[10:39] <diplo> I use terminator, not used ctrl-l but tbh can't you jsut do a key bind ?
[10:39] <foobarry> ctrl-l works for me, but usually i type clear
[10:41] <diplo> hah me to
[10:43] <BigRedS> yeah, ctrl-l's always worked for me, what are you using?
[10:43] <Gargoyle> foobarry, Yeah, when developing I often "tail -f" log files. On OSX the ctrl-l shortcut still works so I can clear the screen while tail is still running.
[10:43] <BigRedS> ah, maybe not like that. I just hold down enter
[10:44] <Gargoyle> s/can/could (OSX is history! ;-)
[10:44] <Gargoyle> BigRedS, Yeah, that's what I'm doing at the mo.
[10:45] <BigRedS> but that'll be a tail thing rather than a terminal emulator thing, surely? it's tail that's getting the ctrl-L and not doing anything in response
[10:45] <BigRedS> bsd vs gnu I'd imagine?
[10:45] <Gargoyle> ahh, could be.
[10:47] <Gargoyle> Although, ctrl-+/- still zoom/unzoom text, which is a terminal feature.
[10:56] <BigRedS> yeah, when you send a keyboard shortcut and loads of stuff can interpret it on the way and stop passing it on
[10:57] <BigRedS> so the terminal picks up ctrl-+ and that probably never gets to the shell
[10:57] <BigRedS> in the same way as if you have a command-line app that uses alt-tab it'll never receive it since your window manager will intercept it, interpret it, and not pass it down
[10:58] <zmoylan-pi> so you tab ctrl-esc which switches keyboard commands back to gui then alt-tab... :-)
[11:03] <popey> ctrl+l clears screen in guake too
[11:03] <popey> I only really use guake these days
[11:06] <foobarry> how many tabs on guake do you have?
[11:06] <popey> currently 7
[11:06] <popey> but it varies
[11:06] <popey> and I sometimes run byobu inside one of them
[11:07] <foobarry> i usually have up to 30 terminals
[11:08] <foobarry> imagine having to use putty for all those...eww
[11:08] <popey> yeah, I reign myself in because guake doesn't cope well with many
[11:08] <popey> it grows a horizontal scroll bar
[11:08] <popey> which obscures the bottom of the terminal, which is rubbish
[11:10] <foobarry> doesn't happen for me
[11:10] <diddledan> morning
[11:10] <foobarry> doesn't show a horiz scroll bar
[12:17] <JamesTait> Anyone here using Landscape? I have one server where landscape-client fails to start because it can't import zope.interface, and I can't for the life of me figure out why.
[12:17] <diplo> foobarry: I use MTpuTTy on my work machine, works well
[12:39] <JamesTait> Aha, bingo! Looks like I'd installed some python packages system-wide with pip while trying to get letsencrypt working.
[12:49] <Gargoyle> Gonna take guake for a spin. thanks popey.
[12:50] <Gargoyle> Since there seems to be a bit more activity in here today, I'll re-ask something from the other day. Is there any benefit to AMD over nVidia or vice-versa?
[12:51] <directhex> for 2d, or games?
[12:51] <Gargoyle> mostly work, but will be some gaming.
[12:52] <directhex> nvidia has a top tier closed-source driver. new hardware s supported in a timely manner. all games which work at all on linux will work on nvidia
[12:53] <Gargoyle> Wondering more from a compatability perspective. Only seem to have ever had nvidia, just wondered what things were like on the other side of the fence! :-)
[12:53] <directhex> amd is increasingly moving away from their old closed source driver to relying on the open source community driver, which is rapidly gaining the bits it was missing in terms of opengl support
[12:53] <directhex> but the support matrix is a funny shape, in no small part due to amd's tendency to re-release old cards under new product names
[12:54] <Gargoyle> Having a few quirks at the mo, but I'm putting that down more to running on Apple hardware (MBP + Thunderbolt display).
[13:06] <diddledan> JamesTait: pip install --user <-- I wish that was default!
[13:22] <Gargoyle> Anyone else as silly as me have a razer keyboard?
[13:32] <Gargoyle> OK. Maybe I can ask a question generically. I have the driver installed, but I have to manually manipulate /sys/bus/hid/drivers to rebind the device to the driver each boot (Or shove it in rc.local). Is this sole responsibility of the driver maker not quite getting it right or some other system config?
[15:57] <daftykins> Gargoyle: it's buying a device mostly intended for Windows and trying to use it on Loonix, i would say :)
[16:05] <Gargoyle> :-D
[16:06] <daftykins> so what are you running in rc.local?
[16:07] <Gargoyle> echo "0003:1532:0203.0007" >/sys/bus/hid/drivers/hid-generic/unbind
[16:07] <Gargoyle> echo "0003:1532:0203.0007" >/sys/bus/hid/drivers/razer/bind
[16:08] <Gargoyle> I think it's down the the guy that's writing the driver. Found a thread on github which basically ends up with "A kernel driver isn't needed to manipulate the LEDs on a keyboard".
[16:09] <daftykins> XD
[16:09] <Gargoyle> So looking into another fork which is going to use libusb or hidraw or something.
[16:10] <Gargoyle> But it works for now (kind of) https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30513/IMG_1298.JPG
[16:12] <daftykins> sounds like this author isn't even a razer employee?
[16:12] <Gargoyle> Nope. 3rd party reverse engineering I think.
[16:14] <daftykins> when i bought this steelseries keyboard i had to sacrifice the right hand super - just as you've got an Fn in that area instead - but thankfully the lighting is handled on the board (just blue)
[16:14] <daftykins> unfortunately the cherry reds have proven to trash my finger joints when i use it for typing, whereas the cherry blues on my old das were great
[16:14] <daftykins> it seems to work again now though :D \o/ it was dropping keys a few months back
[16:15] <daftykins> ah no it's dropping 's' again today :P well that lasted long
[16:25] <Gargoyle> It seems to write the lighting settings back to the keyboard. So I can unplug and reboot, etc and it will keep my chosen setting.
[16:26] <Gargoyle> Its just the config program which is a bit fickle.
[16:29] <daftykins> that's not so bad
[18:30] <diddledan> has launchpad lost the ability to add additional ubuntu series to a bug's affected distros? I can't work-out how to add yakkety to https://bugs.launchpad.net/snappy/+bug/1580740
[19:48] <diddledan> https://youtu.be/mVy7faNKEtM
[21:15] <popey> diddledan: i wouldnt worry, if sergio is on it, itll get fixed in both. I'll poke him in the morning though
[21:16] <diddledan> thankee :-)