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brousch__You probably just copied dirs instead of symlinking all these years00:39
rick_h_morning12:34
shakes808morning12:40
_stink_yo12:48
greg-gmmhmm14:48
greg-gI watched the debate last night at a bar in DC. It wasn't as eventful as I expected it to be.14:48
greg-gthe being in DC part, that is14:48
cmaloneyNo random Joe Biden jumping on tables?14:54
cmaloneyBecause that's what DC needs14:54
rick_h_greg-g: heh14:54
rick_h_I don't know how people can watch that stuff14:54
greg-git made me drink too much, that's for sure14:54
rick_h_I made it 5min into debate #2 and was going to start throwing things at my TV14:55
rick_h_90min of that full bore? I'm missing a gene for that stuff14:55
greg-gcmaloney: and yeah, a large portion of people were completely ignoring it, no big reactions in the bar or anything14:55
rick_h_heh, they'll work for whoever I guess14:55
cmaloneySharp contrast to when we were at MichiPUG one evening and the debates were on14:55
cmaloney(2008 I think?)14:55
cmaloneyDiane Marsh was all over that14:56
cmaloneyDecided sitting in a coffee shop and swearing at Javascript was a better use of my time14:57
rick_h_lol14:57
rick_h_not a bad plan for sure14:57
ZimdaleSwearing at javascript is always the best use of time.14:57
Zimdalefucking javascript!14:57
cmaloneyBetter for the blood pressure14:57
cmaloneybest thing I've seen all day: use a = void 0; when you want to make sure something is undefined.14:58
cmaloneyas opposed to a = undefined;14:58
cmaloneybecause somoene might have redefined undefined.14:58
cmaloneyThe last time I heard of someone redefining keywords was in Forth14:58
cmaloneyand was related to me by a programmer at Ford about a system that someone wrote that he was debugging (and swearing at)14:59
ZimdaleI don't think you can redefine undefined14:59
ZimdaleYeah unless you've got some funky interpreter15:00
cmaloneyfunction foo(undefined) { undefined = 5; a = undefined; console.log(undefined); }15:01
cmaloney> foo();15:01
cmaloney515:01
cmaloneyundefined15:01
cmaloneyBut yeah, you have to work a bit to be stupid.15:02
Zimdalehmm interesting15:03
ZimdaleThat edge case does not happen enough for me to use a === void 0 8P15:03
cmaloneybah, replace the console.log(a)15:03
cmaloneybut same diff15:03
cmaloneyagain, you have to work at it15:04
cmaloneyAlmost makes me want to put: if (undefined !== void 0) { console.log("Who did this?!?"); }; at the beginning of my code.15:05
Zimdaleyou can't set the global undefined15:07
cmaloneyright, but if your code is called from inside another function...15:07
_stink_not anymore.15:07
cmaloney^^15:07
ZimdaleI think it may work within a function because of the argument thing.15:07
ZimdaleGuess it depends on your app15:07
cmaloneyYeah15:08
cmaloneyand it's not bad, per se, just another place where I scratch my head at some design decisions15:09
cmaloneylike NaN15:09
ZimdaleSo did you get work cmaloney?17:40
cmaloneynot yet17:51
cmaloneyhttps://plus.google.com/u/0/+CraigMaloney/posts/77FgMi5GGAD17:51
cmaloneyWhat I think I am: Bad-ass developer who makes cool shit.17:51
cmaloneyWhat my resume says: I adversely contributed to the world's Excel file problem.17:51
Scary_Guycould be worse, it could say "was part of the team that made windows ME"17:55
cmaloneyNot sure it's much better.17:57
Scary_Guyyou'll have to tell me the story sometime.  but hey, as someone who uses libreoffice, please make excel as fucked up as possible so we can get more to switch17:58
cmaloneyheh17:58
cmaloneyWas more a metaphor of the gap between where I thought I would be and where I landed17:58
cmaloneyThere's probably a German word that encapsulates that17:59
cmaloneyWELTSCHMERZ18:00
cmaloneyTORSCHLUSSPANIK18:00
cmaloneyGod bless the Germans18:00
Scary_Guygott mit uns :p18:01
Scary_Guyapologees to any germans, had to go for the off color joke18:02

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