[00:11] <[_]`> hi i am running ubuntu, i need to run 3 machine in virtualbox and have them ping each other for a project. is there a smaller ubuntu flavour i can use that i will be able to easily network inside virtualbox? :s i tried kali but can't get it to run
[00:13] <bazhang> [_]`, the server iso or the minimal iso
[00:13] <bazhang> !mini | [_]`
[00:15] <proq> if I modify /boot/config-x-xx-xx-xx-generic do i have to do anything to make those changes take effect?
[00:15] <proq> [_]`: you will get more speed by disabling services and using a lighter-weight window manager, but lubuntu already will do some of those things for you OOTB
[00:16] <[_]`> i see, ty
[00:17] <SchrodingersScat> proq: do you have to update grub?
[00:19] <Len> guys can I somehow remove password protection from "Password and Keys" inb 16.04?
[00:19] <Len> it's system I'm using as video player.. only samba password inside and it's quite annoying to fill this password all the time
[00:20] <haddockdev> maybe look through the apt packages?
[00:20] <haddockdev> or some sort of config file
[00:22] <proq> Len: there's an autologin setting in settings
[00:22] <proq> I disabled module signing but the nvidia driver isn't working, so I think maybe the driver is just broken
[00:23] <pokalyis> Is there a way to validate a cron job? I've a job on the form '0 0 1 * * /usr/bin/certbot-auto ... >> /path/log && service nginx reload' which is never ran. It works to run it manually, but not automatically and I'm not sure how to precede.
[00:23] <Len> proq: hmm yep it's there. I would like to leave my account password but after login I wan't my wallet to be open
[00:23] <Len> so should I uncheck autologin then?
[00:23] <proq> Len: having it checked would mean it would login in automatically
[00:24] <proq> Len: I don't know anything about wallets
[00:24] <Len> I had it checked...
[00:24] <Len> ah okay..
[00:25] <Len> http://askubuntu.com/questions/867/how-can-i-stop-being-prompted-to-unlock-the-default-keyring-on-boot
[00:25] <Len> okay found it
[00:26] <Len> second answer
[00:28] <Disaster_Area> does anyone else have issues watching live youtube streams? I suspect it's probably just bad internet on my end or something but it never loads so I wonder if there might be smth wrong with my setup. Youtube is using the html5 player I think; I have adobe flash player downloaded too but set to ask-to-activate so it's not being used on Youtube.
[00:36] <shub15> guys i was updating ubuntu 1o 16.04.1 and it is asking to remove obsolete packages,should i say yes or no
[00:39] <sadac> hello
[00:39] <sadac> holal
[00:44] <pedro> hi guys
[00:44] <keith_> Hello
[00:45] <keith_> Has there been test images of zesty put out somewhere? Or is that a ways off
[00:45] <Guest52134> can someone show me a list for proxies to can connect to the sites that i want
[00:45] <Guest52134> i live at iran
[00:45] <Guest52134> can someone show me a list for proxies to can connect to the sites that i want
[00:45] <Guest52134> i live at Iran
[00:46] <k1l_> keith_: not yet. first there will be the ubuntu developer summit to discuss what happens next.
[00:47] <keith_> Ah okay, just noticed something on distrowatch mentioning  a snapshot of it with todays date..
[00:47] <keith_> not the most reliable of information though
[00:48] <keith_> And im guessing there has been a freeze on new packages with yakkety since no updates have come by
[00:48] <k1l_> could be that the buildbots are just building something. sort of daily. but there might not a big change to yaketty
[00:48] <Guest52134> can someone show me a list for proxies to can connect to the sites that i want
[00:48] <nacc> keith_: archive is still frozen right now
[00:48] <nacc> keith_: yakkety updates could be going through, but require SRU, so there's a delay
[00:49] <Ecclesiastist> How do I add a .qtcurve them in KDE4? I am in System Settings >  Appearance > Workspace Theme
[00:49] <nacc> !ot | Guest52134
[00:49] <Ecclesiastist> How do I add a .qtcurve them in KDE4? I am in System Settings >  Appearance > Workspace Theme
[00:49] <Ecclesiastist> How do I add a .qtcurve them in KDE4? I am in System Settings >  Appearance > Workspace Theme
[00:49] <nacc> !patience | Ecclesiastist
[00:49] <Ecclesiastist> Thanks for the flood of useless info nacc
[00:49] <Ecclesiastist> So I have to make sure my question is seen -_-
[00:50] <Guest52134> i cant connect there
[00:50] <k1l_> Ecclesiastist: all you do is be annoying and arguing with volunteer helpers. that is not making people want to help you :/
[00:51] <Ecclesiastist> Not sure why it matters if someone is a guest or not
[00:52] <k1l_> Guest52134: to join the ubuntu offtopic channel you need to register with freenode. if you dont want that please find another channel. this is for technical ubuntu support only.
[00:53] <BriGuy> Greetings All! FYI, im a noob to IRC, Im hoping someone can answer a few questions for me. I am installing ubuntu on my internal HD for the first time, alongside win 10. I want to make sure that im not making changes to the Lenovo recovery partitions when I click the continue button. The window is titled "write te changes to the disks?" THE MESSAGE READS " if you continue the changes listed below will be written to the disks. Otherwise , you will be able
[00:53] <BriGuy> to make further changes manually.    The partition tabes of the following devices  are changed: SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda)     The following partitions are going to be formatted: partition #8 of SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda) as ext4    partitions #9 of SCSI190,0,0)(sda) as swap.   NOW i HAVE CREATED UNALLOCATED SPACE ON MY HD FOR THE UBUNTU INSTAL. AND THATS WHERE I WHANT THIS "NEW PARTION TO GO. HOW DO i CONFERM THAT these partitions will be created in that unallocated
[00:53] <BriGuy> space?
[00:55] <k1l_> BriGuy: ubuntu has some different install setups, they depend on what you choose at start (like: use whole disk) and what partitions and free space is on that disk. but the installer will tell you what he does exactly.
[00:55] <NSABear> Question
[00:56] <NSABear> I want to install Ubuntu on a laptop that has a TPM
[00:56] <BriGuy> k1l_ how can i find out what the partitions in the message are?
[00:56] <NSABear> Can I take advantage of the TPM to store the encryption key?
[00:56] <k1l_> so dont check "use whole disk", because that will clear the disk. it should offer "install alongside windows" if there is enough free space and free partitions. or use manual installation to be sure it does what you want
[00:56] <k1l_> BriGuy: there should be a grafic or table which shows what  the setup is and what it will be.
[00:56] <BriGuy> yes i used "instal along side win."
[00:57] <NSABear> Also.
[00:57] <NSABear> How is ubuntu privacy wise?
[00:58] <NSABear> I remember when the Amazon data harvesting thing happened and fixubuntu.com
[00:58] <k1l_> NSABear: its opt-in now if you want online results in your search. but its still a setting in the system settings, like it was all the time
[00:58] <BriGuy> so by clicing continue I will be able to ensure that the unallocated space is used and any changes to the partition table is well ... needed I guess
[00:59] <NSABear> k1l_: the issue was it was on by default
[00:59] <NSABear> I removed all the amazon crap
[00:59] <k1l_> NSABear: read what i wrote
[00:59] <nacc> NSABear: it hasn't been for some time
 NSABear: its opt-in now …
[00:59] <keith_> I haven't noticed anything like that in the newer versions.. seems to be okay
[00:59] <NSABear> k1l_: I did.
[00:59] <NSABear> ...
[00:59]  * NSABear facepalms
[00:59] <nacc> NSABear: you asked how it "is", not how it "was" :)
[01:00] <bazhang> it's superb privacy wise NSABear
[01:00] <NSABear> The only thing I hate about Ubuntu is unity
[01:00] <[_]`> hi, google says this is where lubuntu should be but i can't find it. :(  http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-lucid-beta1.iso.torrent
[01:00] <NSABear> so I might be using ubuntu mate or just ubuntu and install mate
[01:00] <bazhang> NSABear, then swttch to something you like, such as xfce
[01:00] <NSABear> Major question that's important.
[01:01] <nacc> NSABear: ok ... not really relevant here. As to your original question, I believe the TPM can be used, but never tried it
[01:01] <NSABear> What is a good AFFORDABLE (IE: < $800 CAD prefered) laptop that Ubuntu plays nice with
[01:01] <k1l_> NSABear: your attitude to stirr up drama didnt help the last times. so i strongly suggest you stop doing that when you come in here. this is not the right place for your rantings.
[01:01] <nacc> NSABear: that's not particularly ontopic for the channel
[01:01]  * NSABear facepalms
[01:01] <bazhang> please stop that NSABear
[01:01] <nacc> [_]`: start at: http://lubuntu.net/
[01:02] <NSABear> Ok, lets play a game of whackamole install the packages needed with my eltiebook
[01:02] <NSABear> nacc: I'm giving Unity another try
[01:02] <nacc> NSABear: ok?
[01:02] <NSABear> Didn't notice you where talking to me
[01:02] <NSABear> weren't*
[01:03] <[_]`> nacc: that is where i started. it leads me to dead link. i found it somewhere else though. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu
[01:03] <nacc> [_]`: both links worked here
[01:03] <nacc> [_]`: iso or torrent
[01:03] <NSABear> bazhang: can you suggest a laptop that is Ubuntu friendly?
[01:03] <k1l_> BriGuy: i cant remember without sitting in front of it, if that screen already showed you what he exactly removes. but pressing "back" would make sure you dont do things you dont want
[01:04] <nacc> [_]`: downloading a published release of ubuntu from a launchpad user's webspace is almost certainly wrong
[01:04] <[_]`> the torrent didnt work for me, odd. must be someting on my end then. either ways hope i can get lubuntu to run of virtualbox. no luck with kali
[01:04] <NSABear> I know the XPS developer line is absolutely amazing for Linux support but I was wondering if there's anything a little less pricy where I don't have to play whackamole with my package manager for hardware support
[01:04] <bazhang> NSABear, some dell, sysmtem76 also
[01:04] <bazhang> and system
[01:05] <k1l_> or lenovo
[01:05] <bazhang> lnovo are very linux ready
[01:05] <NSABear> been looking at thinkpads and xps developer laptops
[01:05] <k1l_> basically, get a list of laptops with your specs and price you like, then look up if there are known issues for that device.
[01:06] <nacc> I believe canonical publishes certification too
[01:06] <k1l_> !hcl
[01:06] <k1l_> https://certification.ubuntu.com/desktop/
[01:06] <pfifo> Hi
[01:07] <BriGuy> k1_ thanks. NSABaar I just bout an ideaPad fex 4 Its not conical certified but I think it will work well
[01:08] <NSABear> http://shop.lenovo.com/ca/en/laptops/lenovo/flex-series/flex-4-14/ ?
[01:09] <pfifo> Ive been dedicating 8192MB of disk space to my OS since 8.04. I have used several different filesystems and jumped back and forth from 32 to 64. Im currently running Xenial 64bit and diskspace is becoming low. Is it possible ive cluttered it somehow or are the packages finally getting to be big enough to warrant more space?
[01:09] <NSABear> BriGuy: how's your battery life?
[01:09] <k1l_> pfifo: 8Gb without user data?
[01:10] <pfifo> k1l_: /home is a 4tb drive
[01:10] <phenom> I don't normally spam other channels but if you are on IRC right now and not in a politics channel, you ain't shit.
[01:10] <phenom> Regards
[01:11] <k1l_> pfifo: new packages tend to grow a bit. and due to the base system with desktop included got more and more features it growed a bit, too.
[01:11] <pfifo> k1l_: ohh im also using lubuntu for the desktop
[01:11] <BriGuy> NSABear well so far I van only tel you how it is in win 10 but I can't complain. several hours with low screen brightness set
[01:11] <k1l_> pfifo: even that growed a bit :)
[01:12] <k1l_> pfifo: make sure you got cleaned old kernel and headers
[01:12] <BriGuy> NSABear recharge is fast
[01:12] <BriGuy> Is there a point in the install process where you cant go back any further to make changes?
[01:13] <opal> CANT STUMP
[01:13] <pfifo> k1l_: yeah, when i got the error message i cleaned up 1.1gb free, that just never really happended before unless i messed up, but im pretty sure, nothing is different, I did install steam, but it appears to put everything in /home
[01:14] <BriGuy> Im at the "where are you" screen and the "back" button is grayed out??
[01:14] <pfifo> BriGuy: tell it 'no where to go but forward'
[01:15] <k1l_> pfifo: you can look at what is installed with "dpkg -l |grep linux-image | grep ii"   same goes with linux-headers
[01:15] <BriGuy> LOL
[01:15] <BriGuy> Its like once you are at the point of the install where you choose a time zone its a point of no return.
[01:16] <pfifo> k1l_: i do all my installs more or less by hand, almost have it all memorized cause ive used the same stuff for years
[01:17] <k1l_> pfifo: as i said: desktops include more features and tend to grow. if you want to stay minimal use the minimal install and dont install the metapackage lubuntu-desktop, but lxde and the programs you want/need
[01:17] <BriGuy> Guess Ill cross my fingers an hope that the unallocated sapce is where the new partition ends up
[01:17] <pfifo> k1l_: well guess i just need to give it 12GB from now on
[01:18] <pfifo> k1l_: ahh yeah, one better, i start from debootstrap ^^ and make it as slim as i can
[01:18] <k1l_> pfifo: you can use wajig to get to know what package needs what amount of disk space.
[01:19] <k1l_> install wajig and then "wajig large" in terminal
[01:19] <pfifo> i might be able to squeeze it in
[01:21] <pfifo> k1l_: top of the list is blender, chrome, linux, nvidia (x2) cant really side step those
[01:21] <k1l_> well, at least you know now where the disk space goes :)
[01:22] <pfifo> wine, firefox, inkscape, virtualbox... yeah need all that
[01:22] <pfifo> k1l_: can i get it to tell me the total size of all installed packages?
[01:22] <eaglebot> Is it safe to do an install by data dumpng a current install on another computers drive?
[01:23] <pfifo> eaglebot: i have done that, it works, but not for the average user, most definiatly not supported
[01:24] <eaglebot> pfifo, reasonable cause
[01:24] <pfifo> eaglebot: i reccommend a hard drive transplant
[01:24] <pfifo> eaglebot: install on drive, move drive to target
[01:25] <k1l_> pfifo: didnt find that while overflying the manpage.
[01:25] <eaglebot> pfifo, the hard drive tech doesn't match and then the current machine has no system, seems easy enough to boot from a live cd on both and mount nfs and dd
[01:25] <eaglebot> so the dump file resides in the ram unless there is a way to nfs mount a device?
[01:26] <k1l_> but i got 11GB / with a full blown desktop with several browsers, vbox, atom, and even texlive full. but i think 11G is small compared to other OS :)
[01:26] <eaglebot> Can the actual /dev/hd be mounted over a network?
[01:26] <pfifo> eaglebot: make sure to use error handling with dd
[01:26] <pfifo> eaglebot: no
[01:26] <eaglebot> ok
[01:27] <eaglebot> so I can write the dump over nfs then write it too the drive
[01:27] <pfifo> eaglebot: i would use rsync personally
[01:27] <BriGuy> so since I wasn't asked where to put the ubuntu partition I assume that installer just sees the unalocated space on m HD and automatically knows that is where it should go??
[01:27] <pfifo> BriGuy: bad assumption, i dont know for sure but i assume its going to format everything
[01:27] <eaglebot> doesnt rsync have it's own built in networking capability?
[01:28] <pfifo> eaglebot: yes, rsync over ssh
[01:28] <k1l_> BriGuy: yes. but if you want to be safe use manual install
[01:28] <eaglebot> pfifo, do you have a suggestion for the smalest live cd for this task?
[01:28] <BriGuy> But I choose to insall along side win 10!!!!!???????
[01:28] <ajc> I have a strange question - I have a 12.04 CPU that is not and cannot be on the internet.  I want to update it to 14.04.  To make it worse i really can't have anything but RHEL on the internet - pls don't ask.  What do i download from RHEL or windows, burn to disk or HD, then how do i point Ubuntu 12.04 to it to upgrade?
[01:28] <BriGuy> I tried to go back to do the manual way but it wouldnt let me
[01:28] <k1l_> BriGuy: i dont see what you do there and what the installer says to you. so i will not guarantee you anything :/
[01:29] <pfifo> k1l_: 11GB ok, that gives me a good indication... i know on redhat 9 i had a 2gb partition been growing sincethen
[01:29] <eaglebot> I don't have a blank disk handy so what about a network boot?
[01:29] <k1l_> pfifo: yes, i once had a dos pc running a 500MB disk. but times have changed :)
[01:30] <eaglebot> Can an old PC handle a network boot over ethernet?
[01:30] <BriGuy> K1_ holding my breath
[01:30] <eaglebot> Seems like there can be say a 200mb live cd capable of what is needed here.
[01:30] <k1l_> eaglebot: you mean pxe boot? that depends on that device in use. i guess test it or look into bios or in the manual
[01:31] <pfifo> eaglebot: look into debootstrap
[01:31] <eaglebot> hmm
[01:32] <eaglebot> I have an android phone but no dedicated usb disk.
[01:33] <eaglebot> If the firmware has pxe I can go that route.
[01:33] <eaglebot> Sometimes my equipment dissapears.
[01:34] <BriGuy> k1_ upon restart, if I see the windows boot manager as an option in th GRUB menu is that any indication that my Win 10 is still intact?
[01:35] <k1l_> BriGuy: thats a good sign
[01:47] <BriGuy> k1_ cool cool I think its a success I see a Windows HD, Lenovo HD, and My Ubuntu live instal HD icons. JUMPING FOR JOY. this UEFI this has made a simpe one hour instal into 2 weeks of advice seeking and attempts. But finaly Success Both boot fine. I guess I just need a hand holding. thanks
[01:49] <matt_panaro> I've tried following suggestions @ http://askubuntu.com/questions/92794/how-to-change-critically-low-battery-value and http://www.lambdacurry.com/2015/10/suspending-low-battery/, but I can't get my XPS 13 to suspend on low battery: are there any other ways to accomplish this?
[01:53] <cipher6> HELP! Issue: Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Server won't resolve DNS but can ping dns servers without issue. Have added 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 to etc/network/interfaces
[01:54] <cipher6> Anyone willing to assist?
[01:56] <cipher6> HELP! Issue: Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Server won't resolve DNS but can ping dns servers without issue. Have added 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 to etc/network/interfaces
[01:56] <cipher6> Anyone? Buehler?
[01:58] <bazhang> try ##networking cipher6
[01:58] <cipher6> Thanks Bazhang!
[02:01] <Piano> Hey, does anybody here have some background information about wine 1.4?
[02:01] <bazhang> #winehq likely does Piano
[02:02] <Piano> i'm right now on there and asked but nobody responded for the past 30 minutes
[02:02] <bazhang> whats the exact question Piano
[02:02] <Piano> Does anybody know how to fix this crash for a .exe file? "err:module:attach_process_dlls "steam_api.dll" failed to initialize, aborting err:module:LdrInitializeThunk Main exe initialization for L"Z:\\home\\piano\\Downloads\\TBoIA\\isaac-ng.exe" failed, status c0000005"?
[02:02] <Piano> Using 12.04 and wine 1.4, chromebook / crouton
[02:03] <Piano> sorry about the "does anybody" it was a c/p
[02:03] <bazhang> Piano, steam via wine?
[02:04] <Piano> Using the file directory over steam due to memory intensity as it is a chromebook with 8GB of memory and like 2GB or 4GB of ram last I checked
[02:04] <bazhang> Piano, steam is available for linux you realize
[02:05] <Piano> Yes, but the actual steam application is using too much memory/ram for me in terms of using it while playing the game
[02:07] <ajc> Piano: so the idea is add another middle program and RAM usage goes down? am i missing something?
[02:09] <Piano> what do you mean by a middle program?
[02:10] <ajc> you are going to use Wine to run steam and the game.  instead of just steam and the game.  The middle program being wine.
[02:12] <ajc> I really don't know much at all and certainly can't help debug Wine.  I'm just confused by the logic.
[02:12] <Piano> Running steam while running boia causes my limited ram usage for my chromebook to fill up and risk crashing
[02:13] <Piano> using boia from its folder to prevent this, can't run it
[02:14] <Piano> so I can't really play it in either case, and fixing wine is to me more realistic / practical than boosting my chromebook
[02:14] <Piano> because well
[02:14] <Piano> it's a chromebook
[02:14] <ajc> ok.  i have no idea.  I'm just procrastinating what i'm supposed to be doing.  best of luck.
[02:16] <Piano> well rip ty for the conversation
[02:16] <Piano> it's a bit dull seeing the third debate
[02:17] <eaglebot> Does ubuntu work well as a system maintenance cd benchmarking, burnin, drive wipe, etc.?
[02:19] <niytro> hi all, I have full disk encryption in 16.10 setup from the installer but I want to add the option use unlock the crypt volume with a keyfile on a USB drive. Ive been editing grub, initramfs, crypttab and fstab with no luck...
[02:27] <ambient> Hello, can anyone help me install amd gpu pro drivers for ubuntu?
[02:35] <jnagro> ambient, what kind of GPU do you have?
[02:37] <abcDh> helllo
[02:38] <abcDh> stryx`: Hello
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[03:01] <bruce___> q
[03:01] <bruce___> :exit
[03:01] <Piano> does anybody know of a wine irc that isn't winehq which has some support
[03:01] <bruce___> :q
[03:01] <nicomachus> bruce___: /quit
[03:03] <bigred_> Is there a method to install Ubuntu 16.10 with encrypted LVM but being able to specify the crypt name and not (sdaX_crypt) and also specify the vg name, lv names and sizing using the GUI installer?
[03:08] <lordcirth> bigred_, the manual install should let you do whatever you like, if I remember correctly
[03:10] <rdfuhr> I have an old MacBook Pro and want to install Ubuntu on it as my operating system instead of macOS.  I have already downloaded ubuntu-16.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso onto a flash drive but starting up my Mac holding down option key didn't let me install from the flash drive.
[03:11] <oldocbrown> Sorry, I don't know anything about macbooks.
[03:11] <bigred_> lordcirth: I couldn't see the option to select LV sizes, when using the Encrypted LVM installer option. I may just have to do the luks stuff using the live cd, then load up the installer to do the sizing
[03:11] <rdfuhr> So my question is: what do I need to do with ubuntu-16.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso in order to install it on a MacBook Pro?
[03:12] <oldocbrown> How did you make the flash drive?
[03:12] <lordcirth> bigred_, that's not manual.  There's a manual option too.  It might be called "something else"?
[03:12] <rdfuhr> I downloaded Ubuntu onto my iMac and copied it onto a flash drive.
[03:13] <lordcirth> rdfuhr, that's not how it works
[03:13] <lordcirth> !usb
[03:13] <bigred_> rdfuhr: you'll need to make a bootlable usb
[03:13] <oldocbrown> OK. good. How did you copy it? Did you use dd or did you just drag & drop?
[03:13] <rdfuhr> Thanks for the link I will read the instructions.
[03:13] <bigred_> lordcirth: thanks, i might have missed that during the installation, i'll check it out later. thanks
[03:14] <oldocbrown> @bigred is correct. It needs to be made bootable. Let me find the forum posting I followed and maybe it will help you out.
[03:15] <oldocbrown> nevermind ubottu beat me to it
[03:23] <sync0pate> Hi, can someone recommend me a good dictionary program?
[03:24] <sync0pate> CLI preferably
[03:49] <FoeHammered> I've got a program what won't start anymore. It goes through the motions, but just kinda doesn't go any further, and it's not really clear why from the output. Is there a way to make a program more verbose about it's doing?
[03:49]  * FoeHammered suddenly realizes he can try to see if it logs.
[03:50] <FoeHammered> Yes. Yes it does log. Somehow it got set to a screen resolution of 1x1. Never mind.
[03:52] <FoeHammered> Yay for logs. Done, thanks.
[03:58] <haxxan> hey guys how can I Install Ubuntu on a samsung chromebook? Someone can gimme a help?
[04:06] <ambient> haxxan, Do you know how to access the bios of your device?
[04:08] <haxxan> oh I've not try yet. I was trying to find the especific packages fot chromebook first
[04:09] <ambient> haxxan, Do you have an external drive?
[04:09] <ambient> haxxan, An external DVD player
[04:09] <ambient> ?
[04:11] <ambient> haxxan, You can burn an install disc and use an external dvd drive or an ISO from a USB
[04:11] <ambient> haxxan, Depending on the arch of your device, whether it is a 32 or 64 bit or ARM or whatever
[04:11] <haxxan> ah the chromebook runs ARM platform
[04:12] <ambient> haxxan, And do you have an external dvd drive?
[04:12] <haxxan> no
[04:12] <haxxan> just usb stick
[04:12] <ambient> haxxan, have you heard of unetbootin?
[04:13] <haxxan> ah yeah, course
[04:13] <ambient> haxxan, https://www.ubuntu.com/download/server/arm
[04:13] <ambient> haxxan, Look for the bios, boot off of unetbootin, after you download that image
[04:14] <ambient> haxxan, Then you should be golden
[04:14] <ambient> haxxan, Ahh wait, that's server
[04:15] <ambient> haxxan, https://www.ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads
[04:16] <ambient> haxxan, I am not sure what device you have but your unit needs to be told to boot off an image and not the local OS
[04:16] <haxxan> I understand
[04:17] <ambient> haxxan, Shouldn't be too different from a lap or desktop
[04:19] <haxxan> Ubuntu server comes without graphic envirorment rigur?
[04:19] <haxxan> right*?
[04:19] <ambient> haxxan, You don't want server
[04:21] <haxxan> no, but I can install DE on it
[04:21] <haxxan> or not?
[04:22] <ambient> haxxan, from server, I don't think. You really need desktop
[04:22] <wafflejock> you can install a GUI from there but probably not worth the trouble if you plan to put a DE on it anyhow
[04:23] <wafflejock> if full blown ubuntu doesn't work out too would maybe check out some of the raspi related stuff since it's also ARM based
[04:23] <ambient> wafflejock, I imagine there are debian iso's for it
[04:23] <ambient> wafflejock, But there must be arm
[04:23] <ambient> for buntu
[04:24] <wafflejock> ambient, yeah debian and mate I think in raspbian just throwing it out there though since I have random pis everywhere :)
[04:24] <verticlebert> hey guys, i asked this earlier with little respon / help. I am running ubuntu 16.04. I am attempting to change my window manager and having some difficulties with locking the screen after  suspension. I am now using /etc/systemd/logind.conf to suspend on lid close. but after the systm wakes up i'm still logged in
[04:25] <ambient> systemd is so awesome. Everyone loves it.
[04:25] <chet> can I be heard?
[04:25] <verticlebert> ambient: i'm not opposed to it. I think it is a big anti-pattern for linux but i think a similar argument can be made for init.
[04:26] <verticlebert> chet: speak up
[04:26] <chet> ok thanks
[04:26] <ambient> verticlebert, The vitriol people have for it is hilarious
[04:27] <haxxan> I 'll take a look on rasperry projects... Maybe it works
[04:27] <verticlebert> ambient: those people bitch at everything though. specifically at change.
[04:28] <ambient> verticlebert, Perhaps, but there are forks. Time will tell who went the wiser course of action.
[04:30] <verticlebert> ambient: totally. I'm actually excited to see what comes out of the mix. I'm personally like the approach of suckless people. I also kkinda enjoy the overlap that etcd provides.
[04:31] <ambient> verticlebert, I use both systemd and non-systemd linux
[04:31] <ambient> hedging ; - )
[04:33] <verticlebert> ambient: any advice for my lock screen issue?
[04:33] <ambient> verticlebert, Sorry, I think it could be a driver issue for closed screens
[04:34] <ambient> when it goes into suspend mode
[04:34] <verticlebert> ambient: I think its the way everything is tied to Unity. Everything works fine in Unity its when i switch to i3/openbox the problem occurs.
[04:34] <ambient> For my devices, I use AMD and the graphics drivers that they used to put out helped with suspend
[04:43] <gnuser> I just tried upgrading from 14.04 to 16.04 with apt-get upgrade... and things went south... I'm now in the middle of nowhere and having troubles even getting any kind of networking started properly... any advice?
[04:44] <Ben64> gnuser: apt-get upgrade doesn't go from 14.04 to 16.04. can you explain in detail what you did, what happened, and what's happening now
[04:45] <gnuser> I was trying to install a package from pip... having issues.... Started running updates... looks like it was pulling from xenial branch, and ended up getting completely stranded, having to use sysrsq to reboot.
[04:45] <lionking> 怎么办？？
[04:45] <SonikkuAmerica> !cn | lionking
[04:46] <lionking> ok
[04:46] <cfhowlett> gnuser, now if you had said "I used sudo do-release-upgrade" I might have believed you ...
[04:47] <gnuser> I think I may have already been half-upgraded via the GUI, but backed out a couple times because I didn't want to commit to the 200+ package overhaul.
[04:48] <cfhowlett> gnuser, did you start and then cancel or what
[04:49] <Random832> cfhowlett: back in the day it used to be possible to upgrade releases via apt-get {,dist-}upgrade - I don't think it's been a recommended practice for a long time, but if one were to make inadvisable edits to sources.list...
[04:49] <cfhowlett> Random832, possible, true.  I don't want to consider the possibilities of such and I've not seen it recommended in years ...
[04:50] <Random832> ah, it says here it still works and why not to use it
[04:50] <Random832>  Debian based systems can also be upgraded by using apt dist-upgrade. However, using do-release-upgrade is recommended because it has the ability to handle system configuration changes sometimes needed between releases.
[04:50] <cfhowlett> Random832, apt dist-upgrade doesn't jump to the next release, it upgrades current release??
[04:51] <Random832> cfhowlett: it doesn't mention, but you have to change the release by hand in sources.list
[04:51] <gnuser> but that would have started a week ago... /etc/issue calls itself 16.04, but "about" stills says 14.04
[04:51] <gnuser> yes.
[04:51] <gnuser> Probably should have just gone through with it then., lesson learned. :)
[04:51] <gnuser> Isn't dist-upgrade just for kernel stuff?
[04:51] <gnuser> or at least mostly for upgrading the kernel.
[04:51] <Random832> in *actual* debian you wouldn't have to if your sources.list pointed to "stable" rather than the particular version's codename
[04:52] <Random832> gnuser: the difference between dist-upgrade and upgrade is that upgrade won't install new packages.
[04:52] <Random832> probably the most common new package for an upgrade to want is a new kernel version
[04:52] <cfhowlett> gnuser, apt full-upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade will upgrade the current release to latest available packages.  unless you mucked with your sources, that is ...
[04:53] <gnuser> Well... I'd love to just get my networking back at this point... I think critical packages got removed, and somehow didn't get properly replaced.
[04:54] <Ben64> gnuser: it'd really help to know what you did exactly
[04:54] <cfhowlett> gnuser, if you aborted a partially completed upgrade, I suspect the sanest and surest option would be a reinstall especially as your network is no more
[04:55] <xsmltx> Hi, tell me please which is the best way to add fluxbox to automatically start at boot. Thank you.
[04:58] <gnuser> last thing I did before rushing into chaos, was trying to install python3-venv, followed by apt-get autoremove... apt-get upgrade, and apt-get -f install...
[04:58] <gnuser> so it would seem some packages may have been broken, and I may not have yet realized it...
[04:59] <gnuser> So, consensus says: nuke and pave? I thought I'd check here before resorting to that.
[04:59] <cfhowlett> Ben64, ?  what say ye?  ^^^^
[05:14] <te_lanus> anyone know if there is a program that does the same as winimage but for linux?
[05:14] <cfhowlett> brasero
[05:15] <ambient> k3b?
[05:16]  * te_lanus think they can't open floppy images :D
[05:16] <elias_a> te_lanus: What are you doing exactly?
[05:16] <cfhowlett> why would you need to open an .iso?
[05:17] <ambient> cfhowlett, Watch a movie?
[05:17] <cfhowlett> ambient, so you are talking about a DVD then??
[05:18] <ambient> cfhowlett, I'm just jumping into the conversation : - b
[05:20] <te_lanus> I'm trying to get files of Space Quest's floppy disk images
[05:20] <ambient> anyone here ever install amd gpu pro for ubuntu?
[05:20] <ambient> Lousy AMD stopped supporting ATI radeon
[05:20] <ambient> for linux
[05:20] <ambient> such buttholes
[05:35] <d1z> hello, anyone here uses cset and has an amd processor and knows how to increase the frequency of the processor? I ask because I am using cset to shield a specific core, but when I do so, I can no longer overclock that core. It stays in the base frequency no matter what
[05:36] <cfhowlett> sounds like a #hardware query dlz
[05:36] <FireStriker> hello i just installed Lubuntu last night and today it has poped up with an update were its saying Ubuntu not Lubuntu, is that normal? i know Ubuntu and Lubuntu are practicaly the same
[05:37] <cfhowlett> FireStriker, normal
[05:37] <FireStriker> also whats the best web browser you can get
[05:38] <cfhowlett> "best"?  no such thing.
[05:38] <FireStriker> true
[05:38] <cfhowlett> !browser
[05:39] <xangua> Explorer
[05:39] <FireStriker> dont know whats up but firefox keeps freazing up might be irc, i didnt have this problem back in vista google chome before installing linux
[05:40] <cfhowlett> FireStriker, are you running irc in ffox?
[05:41] <enma> irssi?
[05:42] <FireStriker> yep
[05:43] <kk4ewt> FireStriker, so install chrome
[05:43] <FireStriker> ok
[05:44] <FireStriker> how do i do that lol same as windows? look up chrome
[05:44] <cfhowlett> FireStriker, sudo apt install chromium
[05:45] <FireStriker> ok
[05:45] <xangua> Chromium-browser
[05:45] <xangua> It's the actual package name
[05:45] <cfhowlett> right.  thanks xangua
[05:46] <FireStriker> do you guys know any good ipad irc apps?
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> FireStriker: ipad isnt ubuntu
[05:47] <cfhowlett> FireStriker, look in the apple app store
[05:48] <FireStriker> ik just asking so i can move the the irc to my ipad
[05:48] <lotuspsychje> FireStriker: perhaps the mac channel can sort you out?
[05:54] <FireStriker> Ok i have swaped so i type 'sudo apt install Chromium-browser' in to the terminal
[05:58] <FireStriker> Um i migt have a problem
[05:59] <FireStriker> I just installed an update and was restarting it it has rebooted and i have chosen to boot into Lubuntu but its holding at a black screen
[06:01] <FireStriker> Um i might have a problem
[06:02] <FireStriker>  I just installed an update and was restarting it it has rebooted and i have chosen to boot into Lubuntu but its holding at a black screen
[06:03] <FireStriker> Hello
[06:05] <FireStriker> Help i just installed an update and was restarting it it has rebooted and i have chosen to boot into Lubuntu but its holding at a black screen, its been holding for a while now what do i do?
[06:07] <FireStriker> Just force shutdown the computer any idear what caused it
[06:12] <FireStriker> hello
[06:29] <fredl> I'm running Ubuntu 16.04 in a Virtualbox VM
[06:29] <fredl> Weird thing is that I seem to have sound at the login screen
[06:29] <fredl> I hear that little tune when the login screen comes up
[06:30] <UrsaTempest> I heard it too, though I'm not on VM?
[06:30] <fredl> But after I logged in I no longer hear sound even though I see the speaker icon, can go in sound settings etc.
[06:30] <UrsaTempest> Is VM not supposed to simulate sound? Ah.
[06:30] <fredl> yes it is, I have asked on #virtualbox and most people seem to say it 'just works'
[06:31] <fredl> And since I do hear it at startup I think it's not a virtualbox issue but an Ubuntu one since I also seem to experience some problems playing flash
[06:31] <UrsaTempest> I don't know, I guess. Anyway, I want to ask about Wifi. I'm on Ubuntu 16.04.1, and for some reason I don't get redirected to captive wifi page if, you know, I connected to wifi that requires captive portal login.\
[06:31] <UrsaTempest> Unless I do it manually, like typing the address on Browser.
[06:31] <fredl> I know nothing about captive portal, sorry
[06:32] <UrsaTempest> It's not a big issue now, but I suspect it can be problematic in the future. Like if I don't know the address of  captive portal.
[06:32] <UrsaTempest> Anyone knows why?
[06:37] <fredl> 1690 people in the room, nobody knows how to help with sound probs
[06:38] <UrsaTempest> Sometimes it happens. Or nobody is active.
[06:38] <fredl> Out of 1692 people nobody is active?
[06:38] <fredl> haha sorry UrsaTempest, I've been on IRC for some 20 years or so, I know how it works :)
[06:39] <UrsaTempest> Heh. Sorry for assuming too, I guess.
[06:39] <fredl> Oh well
[06:39] <UrsaTempest> Well, it's also possible the problem is not Ubuntu, so nobody answer it? Maybe you can try #ubuntu-offtopic
[06:39] <UrsaTempest> ?
[06:40] <fredl> Sound problems on Ubuntu 16.04 are offtopic?  :)
[06:40] <fredl> C'mon :)
[06:44] <ChrisWarrick> How do I set a framebuffer size (a) early (b) so that it won't change? Ubuntu 16.04
[06:46] <gebruiker> Hello
[06:46] <bz0b> hi
[06:46] <lucas_ai> My ubuntu 14.04 was working fine, but now I logged in and had no windowing system! The windows don't have frames and there's no unity launcher. Any ideas?
[06:47] <gebruiker> after installing an app with multiple dependencies - a whole list of it - .. how do I include these when apt-get remove --purging that app (xfce)?
[06:48] <hateball> gebruiker: running apt-get autoremove, will remove packages that were pulled in as dependencies
[06:48] <bz0b> quick question. i am currently running ubuntu 16.10, and every time i start up my system, right before x-server-gnome starts, i see a /deb/sda1 clean and im assuming its because its automatically running an fsck. why would it be doing that every starup
[06:49] <nikolay> русские есть
[06:51] <bz0b> after doing a cat /var/log/syslog | grep fsck, i noticed this https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23352294/
[06:51] <fredl> is this Shuttleworth character paying people to give this uhhh 'LTS' ?
[06:52] <HughFungus> bz0b: Is /dev/sda1 your EFI partition?
[06:52] <bz0b> HughFungus, yes
[06:53] <HughFungus> fsck is usually run on all the drives on boot
[06:53] <HughFungus> change the fsck bit in /etc/fstab for sda1
[06:54] <HughFungus> It's the last column in /etc/fstab, change it to 0 to disable fsck
[06:55] <HughFungus> Though there's nothing wrong with running fsck on boot, is it slowing your system down?
[06:56] <bz0b> HughFungus, I currently am running an i7-5700 with 16gb ddr3 and 256gb m.2 ssd. not slowing me down too much :D
[06:56] <HughFungus> Then I see no reason to disable fsck...¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[06:57] <bz0b> HughFungus, https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23352298/ that's my current fstab
[06:58] <HughFungus> You see the '1' at the end of the 'UUID=304E-D535' line
[06:58] <HughFungus> Change that to 0 to disable fsck
[06:58] <bz0b> got it. Thank you HughFungus :)
[06:59] <HughFungus> bz0b: you're welcome
[07:01] <bz0b> I have one more question, definitely completely different subject but if you think you have an answer, that would be awesome, if not i understand. But i currently use a vpn service, ExpressVPN, and when i was using linux mint 18 or ubuntu 16.04 lts, i was able to install there deb file and it worked perfectly with no dns leaks, then i went up to 16.10, on a fresh install, and tried installing a deb but noticed it was missing a dependency that has been
[07:01] <bz0b> obsoloted, initscripts, so i opted to use openvpn and network manager to connect to the vpn, but now im leaking dns. Do you have any idea why that would be?
[07:03] <bz0b> i was told by expressvpn to disable all ipv6 which i did and noticed it had temporarily fixed it, but then after a reboot, and even though disable_ipv6 is still set to 1, it started leaking again
[07:05] <bz0b> and my dns in /etc/resolv.conf is set to 127.0.1.1
[07:06] <lucas_ai> I can't login to my ubuntu from GUI. Any ideas why?
[07:10] <hateball> lucas_ai: Perhaps if you provide us with more details, like if you get any type of error or you just get a blank screen etc
[07:11] <lucas_ai> hateball, nah it just flashes and returns to the welcome login screen
[07:13] <hateball> lucas_ai: what has changed between things working as normal, and now?
[07:13] <hateball> lucas_ai: can you switch to a tty and login and make sure you are the owner of ~/.Xauthority ?
[07:28] <AndroUser> Ive tried to install linux on ubuntu, mint, debian, fedora and it doesnt work on any of them!!!!
[07:30] <itay2> (AndroUser) Ive tried to install linux on my computer : ubuntu, mint, debian, fedora and it doesnt work on any of them!!!!
[07:31] <^peter^> itay2   You have to turn the computer on first before installing any of those.
[07:32] <itay2> (^peter^) thats quite a bad taste comment.
[07:33] <kk4ewt> fedora requires a arm7
[07:33] <^peter^> itay2   Well what other explanation ?
[07:33] <kk4ewt> and what isos did you try
[07:34] <itay2> (^peter^)  i think its because i have quirky config of my hd. Im using z68 board with intel rst
[07:34] <itay2> (^peter^) i have 64gb ssd cache with 1tb hd
[07:35] <kdnejdje> !!!! J-O-I-N #wikipedia-es :::
[07:35] <itay2> Kk4ewt i tried latest versions of ubuntu, linux mint, fedora, debian
[07:36] <OerHeks> itay2, so tell us what happens, or not happen?
[07:37] <OerHeks> kdnejdje, please do not spam here, thanks.
[07:38] <kdnejdje> ---- J-O-I-N #wikipedia-es ----
[07:38] <itay2> Oerheks : in ubuntu and mint same shit, im getting login screen and when i try to enter im getting "system program unstable" error message
[07:38] <itay2> Oerheks : in debian im getting installation screen but it cant recognize my hard drive
[07:39] <Flannel> kdnejdje: Please stop advertising, thanks.
[07:39] <OerHeks> itay2, sounds like you have UEFI bios?
[07:39] <itay2> Oerheks : in fedora im stuck in the login screen and the mouse freeezes i.e. one second it moves, the other second it freezes.
[07:40] <AIvaroMolina> ---- J-O-I-N #wikipedia-es ----
[07:40] <itay2> Oerheks unsure. I have gigabyte z68 board
[07:40] <OerHeks> itay2, please skip other distros, keep your focus on ubuntu
[07:41] <OerHeks> sure you can tell if there is a EFI bios or old fashioned bios booting?
[07:41] <itay2> Oerheks it seems like the problem is contagious. Like all the linuxes eat from the same plate so the problem exists in all of them
[07:42] <OerHeks> Oke you have an UEFI bios onboard, just checked.
[07:42] <OerHeks> !uefi
[07:42] <homa_> hi
[07:42] <homa_> how can i access cells of memory in ubuntu
[07:43] <OerHeks> itay2, you need to make a 100 mb partition for boot, it is described in the uefi manual
[07:43] <audio_heroin> just use graphic installer
[07:43] <audio_heroin> and make sure you boot your dvd cd in uefi mode
[07:44] <homa_> how can i access cells of memory in ubuntu
[07:44] <itay2> Loooks like  i need to disable intel smart response technology
[07:44] <th0r> homa_, you want a hex editor
[07:45] <homa_> th0r, like ?
[07:45] <audio_heroin> no, i think he needs to google to find the right words
[07:45] <audio_heroin> "did u mean....?"
[07:45] <ducasse> homa_: what are you actually trying to do?
[07:45] <homa_> ducasse, i want programming with 0 and 1
[07:46] <audio_heroin> assembly
[07:46] <homa_> no
[07:46] <homa_> 0 and 1
[07:46] <audio_heroin> lol
[07:46] <th0r> yup
[07:46] <audio_heroin> youre more 1337 than 1337
[07:46] <ducasse> homa_: what language?
[07:46] <homa_> mechine , ducasse
[07:47] <audio_heroin> binary language duuuh
[07:47] <ducasse> homa_: so, assembly.
[07:47] <audio_heroin> no, binary!
[07:47] <ducasse> :)
[07:47] <homa_> ducasse, binary
[07:47] <audio_heroin> qbits are here, homa_
[07:47] <audio_heroin> binary is so 20th century
[07:48] <ducasse> homa_: binary is not a programming language.
[07:49] <th0r> why doesn't someone tell him he needs a hex editor?
[07:49] <audio_heroin> someone already said it
[07:49] <OerHeks> th0r, you did
[07:50] <AIvaroMolina> ---- J-O-I-N #wikipedia-es ----
[07:51] <homa_> th0r, i have bless
[07:52] <audio_heroin> i used to think that using strace every time smth doesnt work is 1337...
[07:54] <qiwas> Hello
[07:54] <ducasse> homa_: are you trying to learn programming, or what is your goal here?
[07:55] <homa_> ducasse, i want feeling 0 and 1 programming
[07:55] <qiwas> I have a small problem. The command  tracepath -n google.com | tee temp.txt doesnt seem to work for me. Can someone check for a bug?
[07:55] <qiwas> It works without the -n
[07:56] <OerHeks> qiwas, man tracepath > -n Do not look up host names. Only print IP addresses numerically.
[07:57] <AIvaroMolina> ---- J-O-I-N #wikimedia-ayuda ----
[07:57] <qiwas> Yeah thats fine by me.Thats what i want. But the command itself doesn't work when -n is given and appended to tee
[07:58] <qiwas> Can you verify if its only me or there is a problem. This is the command: tracepath -n google.com | tee temp.txt
[07:59] <Flannel> qiwas: It works, it just won't display until it's finished.  Try doing something on your subnet (which will finish execution quickly) and you should see it.  You can also pipe it to less instead of tee, for similar behavior.
[08:00] <dw1> how can i find out why ubuntu wants me to reboot
[08:00] <dw1> after automatic updates
[08:00] <AIvaroMolina> ---- J-O-I-N #wikimedia-ayuda ----
[08:01] <ducasse> dw1: /var/run/reboot-required.pkgs lists the packages that have been upgraded that requires a reboot
[08:02] <dw1> too easy. thanks :D
[08:02] <sb_9> does command du -hc ./ | grep total   &     df -hT ./  are have any difference? both are showing different values..
[08:03]  * OerHeks needs reboot
[08:04] <Flannel> sb_9: That's normal.  They tally things differently.
[08:05] <sb_9> Flannel: How? i didn't understood. can i have some reference link Or some more information.
[08:07] <sb_9> Flannel: both are showing different used space.
[08:07] <ducasse> sb_9: best reference is the source code :)
[08:09] <Flannel> sb_9: df looks at the filesystem, du looks at directory contents.  I'm not finding a good authoritative reference, but here's a couple: http://askubuntu.com/questions/280342/why-do-df-and-du-commands-show-different-disk-usage http://stackoverflow.com/questions/30772180/df-and-du-giving-different-results
[08:15] <sb_9> Flannel:  Thanks . I got one clue from this articles which are related my problem (memory lekage from Java snippets). Currently, we are debugging with Java Profiling & basic linux commands.
[08:28] <hg> search wheeler timespace
[08:39] <ldsh> Hi, Sound was working fine yesterday, I thought thanks to a kernel update. However, after having put the computer in sleep mode, the sound switch went back to the hdmi output, and even by switching back to the optical output, I have no sound since. Any idea on how I could have sound without having to rely on some kind of random effect making it appearing time to time?
[08:40] <eddymode> https://www.amazon.com/World-Order-Our-Secret-Rulers/dp/1910220345/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8 The World Order - Our Secret Rulers
[08:40] <ldsh> It's a Creative SoundCore™ 3D Gaming Audio  on a GA-Z170X-Gaming 7
[08:42] <eddymode> Mullins presents some bare facts about the Federal Reserve System with subjects on: it IS NOT a U.S. government bank; it IS NOT controlled by Congress; it IS a privately owned Central Bank controlled by the elite financiers in their own interest.
[08:42] <eddymode> All Americans should be aware of who controls their currency because the truth is that the country can be controlled if the economy is controlled and the economy of a nation is controlled if its currency is controlled. The path to freedom lies in learning the truth. This is the role of this book.
[08:43] <spillere_> I have a file liks this http://pastie.org/private/x3hvw2mxmk592yrybe9lha how can I make a list that will only show the file names?
[08:45] <eddymode> The very latest from Scott Roberts, one of the most censored men on the Internet, candidly sharing his latest thoughts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dDQt5bR7zo
[08:46] <hateball> spillere: is the original file exactly like this? not tab delimited?
[08:47] <spillere> hateball: let me check
[08:47] <eddymode> This time unlike all the others, an Awakening would be on a massive scale, worldwide, and thanks the to the Information Age, it wouldn't likely be forgotten.
[08:48] <spillere> hateball: yeah like that
[08:48] <eddymode> Scott Roberts replies: "I agree. And these Jews, even the ones who troll me, damn well know it too.﻿"
[08:48] <spillere> maybe ill remove the X chars from every line
[08:48] <OerHeks> eddymode, wrong channel to spam
[08:48] <OerHeks> !ops
[08:48] <eddymode> They would have nowhere to hide. That's why they're escalating their agenda at a crazy pace. That's why they have an Army of Half-Truth, Quarter-Truth, 10% Truth bastards out there.
[08:49] <eddymode> We're in a race to the death.﻿
[08:49] <eddymode> Scott replies: "Indeed, we are.  Problem is, only the Jews know it.﻿"
[08:51] <marnix_> Anyone with pvpython experience?
[08:51] <marnix_> probably a long shot to ask here
[08:51] <xsmltx> Hi, anyone please, how to autostart - autologin fluxbox at the boot please? Thank you.
[08:52] <OerHeks> marnix_, best place would be #python i guess
[08:52] <marnix_> hmm
[08:52] <marnix_> I would say #paraview, but I cant find an active channel
[08:55] <hateball> spillere: it's a bit more annoying to use cut if you have space as a delimiter, awk can do it nicer iirc
[08:55] <marnix_> Funnily enough I always go to irc as last resort
[08:55] <spillere> hateball: figured out with SED
[08:55] <spillere> thanks
[08:55] <marnix_> then you accidently type the correct keywords and you find it on google.
[08:57] <hateball> spillere: ah ok. "awk '{print $9}' file" will do it also
[08:58] <niuniomartinez> Hello k1l_.
[08:58] <Neroon> Hi! Can someone tell me how to block a module from being loaded? blacklisting in blacklist.conf seems to get ignored
[08:58] <niuniomartinez> k1l_: Just to say that problem I reported yesterday was fixed with a kernel upgrade today.
[09:00] <hateball> Neroon: perhaps if you are more specific
[09:03] <Neroon> hateball: I want to block the module wmi, so i put the line  - blacklist wmi - in the blacklist.conf. After a reboot lsmod | grep wmi still shows it being loaded
[09:03] <irctc564> hi there
[09:03] <irctc564> using 14.04 w/ php7 pecl refuses to work normally, already have xml ext
[09:04] <irctc564> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23352608/
[09:08] <boulabiar> hi ! I've enabled ubuntu live kernel patching, but my laptop can no more sleep
[09:08] <boulabiar> how to bug report for this specific component ?
[09:10] <maodunti> h
[09:10] <maodunti> hi
[09:11] <OerHeks> boulabiar, good question, i am reading http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2016/10/canonical-livepatch.html now
[09:12] <OerHeks> boulabiar, file a bug against canonical-livepatch
[09:13] <OerHeks> !bug
[09:15] <OerHeks> boulabiar, i suspect that your system got a patch already, and needs to reboot, maybe that prevents sleep mode , check this with:  cat /var/run/reboot-required.pkgs # any package means you need to reboot.
[09:15] <irctc564> :?
[09:16] <OerHeks> irctc564, maybe you want to reask in #ubuntu-server too
[09:18] <fiillos> Hello! Is there ppa for Pulseaudio that can use soxr-vhq resampling method and bluetooth works without hassling with 16.04?
[09:20] <bigred15> Hi, does anyone have a procedure to install Ubuntu 16.10 with Encrypted LVM with the ability to select lv sizing. I can't seem to achieve it using the GUI installer.
[09:22] <mike_papa> Anyone knows good channel to ask question concerning browser's rendering errors? Specifically Blink based (Chrome, Chromium, Opera, etc.)
[09:22] <mike_papa> ?
[09:23] <lkeijser> morning
[09:24] <lkeijser> stupid question perhaps, but packages in precise (not -updates or -security) are never updated, right?
[09:27] <ppf> lkeijser: i'm not sure i understandthe question
[09:28] <k_sze[work]> ffs...
[09:28] <k_sze[work]> ubuntu desktop and server rely on different things to configure network interfaces...
[09:29] <lkeijser> ppf: I'm setting up a local ubuntu apt mirror and I want to know if packages in 'precise' are ever changed. I know precise-updates and -security get updates (of course), but I'm not sure if the same is true for 'precise' (main)
[09:29] <k_sze[work]> how is that a good idea?
[09:29] <brainwash> mike_papa: try #chromium
[09:29] <k_sze[work]> desktop uses network manager by default, server doesn't.
[09:29] <k_sze[work]> the f...
[09:30] <ppf> lkeijser: -updates and -security refer to package sources, not packages
[09:30] <bsamorim> can the computational costs of appending to a file be independent of its size?
[09:31] <bsamorim> in ubuntu
[09:32] <lkeijser> ppf, packages coming from one of these repositories
[09:35] <boulabiar> OerHeks: No, I don't even have that file (/var/run/reboot-required.pkgs)
[09:36] <ldsh> The sound was working fine yesterday, I thought thanks to a kernel update. However, after having put the computer in sleep mode, the sound switch went to the hdmi output, and even by switching back to the optical output, I have no sound since. Any idea on how I could have sound without having to rely on some kind of random effect making it appearing time to time? It's a Creative SoundCore™ 3D Gaming Audio
[09:38] <boulabiar> I can't report canonical-livepatch because the package is installed via snap, ubuntu-bug says that the package is not installed
[09:42] <brainwash> boulabiar: you could ask in #ubuntu-devel or #ubuntu-kernel
[09:53] <omar___> any update on the rasberry pie?
[09:53] <omar___> no?
[09:57] <de-facto> This is so nice, when i boot xenial Xorg freezes beyond control, cant even switch to tty's, only SysRQ reboots, then i always get orphanted inode messages, YAY data loss, great :(
[09:58] <de-facto> thank you nvidia & kernel devs to make it really compatible and stable
[09:59] <ubuntumn> Hi, why does Ubuntu lag for me with Nautilus open?
[10:04] <de-facto> Is there any graphics stack (drivers) which are stable for xenial? Background: im thinking about buying a new pc...
[10:04] <de-facto> i read there are problems with nvidia, amdgpu, intel...
[10:12] <michagogo> Do the installation ISOs contain any packages beyond those that are installed by the installer?
[10:14] <linocisco> hi all
[10:14] <linocisco> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23352901/
[10:14] <linocisco> how do I fix?
[10:17] <android> Hello
[10:20] <dw1> linocisco: ValueError: invalid literal for int() with base 10: '-m'
[10:20] <dw1> looks like it wants a number there
[10:21] <dw1> instead of -m
[10:21] <dw1> or before
[10:24] <bach2a> ]00412222222222222222222222222222222222222222
[10:24] <linocisco> dw1, what do I do?
[10:25] <dw1> i dont really know about running python modules like that but
[10:25] <dw1> if that's how the docs say to launch it and it doesnt work ..
[10:25] <dw1> maybe try a newer version
[10:25] <OnkelTem> Hi all. On my local workstation with Ubuntu 14.04 there's only one session running - on tty 8 (nothing on tty7 and 9) so that I can't switch user. Where it is configured?
[10:28] <linocisco> anybody else can suggest?
[10:31] <Mathisen> linocisco, what does it do if you just run " python -m SimpleHTTPServer "
[10:35] <linocisco> Mathisen, the idea is to have small webserver to file transfer between ipad and ubuntu
[10:36] <Mathisen> linocisco, that does not answer my question
[10:37] <linocisco> Mathisen, it can service as min webserver
[10:38] <Mathisen> i ask again what does the command " python -m SimpleHTTPServer " give you ?
[10:38] <Mathisen> same error or not ?
[10:38] <linocisco> Mathisen, yes. error.
[10:38] <Mathisen> exactly same as before ?
[10:38] <linocisco> Mathisen, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23352901/
[10:38] <linocisco> Mathisen, yes. same as before
[10:38] <Mathisen> not with -m 8080 at the end
[10:39] <Mathisen> " python -m SimpleHTTPServer 8080 " should be correct
[10:39] <Mathisen> not -m before 8080
[10:40] <linocisco> Mathisen, oh. i see
[10:40] <Mathisen> also try same with python3 if not working
[10:41] <linocisco> Mathisen, i got it this time only now. typo error this time. previous time, i tried correctly
[10:42] <linocisco> another question is I have made bootable Linux installer using DD command
[10:42] <linocisco> how can I format that USB drive into NTFS or FAT. I can't do it
[10:42] <linocisco> partition table can't be removed
[10:43] <linocisco> but on windows, it can easily do it.
[10:43] <Mathisen> linocisco, sudo mkfs.ntfs -f /dev/sdX
[10:43] <Sven_vB> can someone suggest a PDF reader that can select columns of text even if the authors messed up the PDF so that PDF text flow is full lines left to right?
[10:43] <linocisco> Mathisen, no GUI way?
[10:47] <linocisco> Mathisen, /dev/sdc1 is mounted.
[10:47] <linocisco> Refusing to make a filesystem here!
[10:48] <lunatix79> Hi! what is the difference between  /run/ and /proc/run/ folder on ubuntu 14.04 LTS?
[10:48] <lunatix79> same files/folders in both of them
[10:50] <Mathisen> linocisco, okej use fdisk / cfdisk ... sudo cfdisk /dev/sdc1
[10:51] <Mathisen> linocisco, remove filesystem and create one then format using command you got before
[10:52] <_martz> anyone running 16.10?
[10:52] <linocisco> Mathisen, i tried sudo mkfs.ntfs -f /dev/sdX. it made me only few space. not entire drive. so I need to use gparted to format all and claim all space which is 4GB
[10:53] <Mathisen> linocisco, that cfdisk can do
[10:53] <Mathisen> sudo apt install cfdisk && cfdisk /dev/sdc1
[11:06] <x-fak> hi
[11:07] <kernello> hello everyone, a 1-second-long white noise came from my loudspeakers for the second time after about 12 hours ago. what could this be? I used checkbox tool to test my system yesterday because of my display's problem that instant flickers appeared on the screen with irregular intervals)..what could be happening, first the display, now these instant noises?
[11:09] <smiche> can someone help me out? http://pastebin.com/y2Er4A0u the process isn't starting with name nearmissdev
[11:10] <x-fak> i have a 3TB HDD that i'm not able to mount inside my external USB enclosure, i've heard about an issue with the sector size, reported as 512 bytes, which is different of the physical sector size, which is 4096 bytes, i got this:  https://bpaste.net/show/f72ddfebdb73
[11:11] <x-fak> and my dmesg: https://bpaste.net/show/7513a802b2b5
[11:18] <FManTropyx> yo, how're thangs?
[11:20] <kernello> hello everyone, a 1-second-long white noise came from my loudspeakers for the second time after about 12 hours ago. what could this be? I used checkbox tool to test my system yesterday because of my display's problem that instant flickers appeared on the screen with irregular intervals)..what could be happening, first the display, now these instant noises?
[11:20] <kernello> for the third time, just now
[11:21] <kernello> I wonder if this checkbox tool messed something up
[11:21] <kernello> as if while I tried to fix one thing, the other broke
[11:22] <N3X15> Anyone happen to know if there's a video player for Ubuntu that works with GL acceleration disabled?
[11:26] <kernello> density of helpers on channel is less than that of humans on sahara right now :)
[11:27] <ppf> it's lunchtime in europe
[11:28] <kernello> ah, the helpers are mostly european?
[11:29] <ppf> at this time of day
[11:29] <kernello> or the eastern hemisphere
[11:29] <kernello> the helpers are mostly european at this time of day, so they become African in the evening? :)
[11:29] <ppf> it's the middle of the night in the US
[11:29] <N3X15> Well, it's 430AM west coast, so yeah
[11:30] <N3X15> I should probably go to bed.  Will leave client on idle, just in case.
[11:30] <younder> 16.04 is a turkey. Stick with 14.0 which is slid..
[11:30] <younder> solid
[11:30] <kernello> so they teleport themselves to the most suggested diner from all over the continent
[11:31] <ppf> kernello: yes that is my explanation
[11:31] <younder> upgraded on my workstation, bu WILL NOT, do the same on my server
[11:31] <kernello> ppf, makes sense, yes.
[11:31] <ppf> younder: why not, what's the problem?
[11:33] <younder> Let's start win NVIDIA. If you have a UEFI startup you need to disable kerlnel check. Or the next time uo update the machine will CRASH. NVIDIA does a sha-1 code which is apperently not good enough
[11:34] <ppf> i'm running xenial with nvidia and uefi sans issues
[11:34] <ppf> are you sure that's the actual cause?
[11:34] <younder> ppf, obcviously. I have been throgh it
[11:35] <ppf> i'm not convinced, but fair enough
[11:35] <younder> ppf, fixe'd' by insecure boot
[11:35] <ppf> right, so the problem is secure boot, not efi
[11:36] <ppf> that i can believe, i'm not using secureboot
[11:36] <younder> ppf, yes secure boot
[11:36] <younder> ppf, but that is the default
[11:38] <ppf> with secure boot enabled you need to sign the module with a key that's trusted by the kernel
[11:38] <ppf> (unless you use a driver from the repo, then you don't
[11:38] <ppf> )
[11:39] <comp8> 8
[11:39] <comp8> 8
[11:40] <younder> Love UBUNTU.. Who doesn't these days. GOOGLE use it as theier developement platforms. so GO!!
[11:40] <younder> It's not that
[11:42] <younder> been using it for 11 years
[11:42] <younder> network of nixes for 3
[11:43] <kernello> ok, is maybe the CET lunchtime over? :))
[11:43] <ppf> mine is
[11:43] <daveomcd> in my network interfaces file, when I specify the following: 'dns-nameservers 11.xxx.xxx.x, 11.xxx.xxx.x' why doesn't it use one of them if the other one goes down?
[11:46]  * debkad lunchtime finished
[11:47] <younder> daveomcd, you have understoo. they all start with 11
[11:48] <daveomcd> ?
[11:48] <daveomcd> i dont follow
[11:48] <daveomcd> :(
[11:48] <ppf> daveomcd: don't you seperate them with a space?
[11:49] <daveomcd> oh perhaps that's the issue I had it setup by a comma and space to separate them
[12:00] <regiov> hi all. I'm trying to upgrade from trusty to xenial but I'm getting "An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade". I've been looking at /var/log/dist-upgrade/apt.log and already removed many packages associated with "Broken package..." lines, but there are still many packages left there and most seem a bit drastic to remove now. Any advice about how to proceed? Here's the apt.log if you can take a look: http://pastebin.com/zXfCG5Y4
[12:01] <regiov> (any help is really appreciated)
[12:02] <ktechmidas> does anyone know how to add a PPA repoistory manually?
[12:02] <ktechmidas> without using apt-add-repository?
[12:02] <ktechmidas> I'm behind the Chinese firewall and getting this error: "Error reading /nginx/development/ubuntu: gnutls_handshake() failed: A TLS packet with unexpected length was received."
[12:03] <OerHeks> ktechmidas, no, that is the only and valid way
[12:04] <ktechmidas> OerHeks - right... apt-add-repository doesn't seem to be listening to the environment variables I'm setting either? (HTTP_PROXY and HTTPS_PROXY)_
[12:04] <OerHeks> oh, with proxy you should do something to get apt working.. can you update anyway?
[12:04] <ktechmidas> it works for apt-get most of the time
[12:05] <ktechmidas> OerHeks, I can update - I'm trying to add a new repostory though and it goes wrong when getting the GPG keys
[12:05] <ktechmidas> so it never gets added
[12:05] <OerHeks> old answer, still valid iirc >> https://askubuntu.com/questions/53146/how-do-i-get-add-apt-repository-to-work-through-a-proxy/324794
[12:06] <ktechmidas> ah I glanced at this, but didn't see that second answer... :)
[12:06] <OerHeks> see the whole article for the key too
[12:06] <ktechmidas> the first answer didn't work for the key
[12:06] <ktechmidas> thank you :)
[12:06] <OerHeks> let us know when it worked :-)
[12:10] <ZoderUck> u hello, question is an ftp connected directory in windows  accessable in cmd ?  the ftp folder is displayed in windows explorer
[12:12] <ktechmidas> OerHeks, it worked!
[12:12] <ktechmidas> thank you
[12:12] <OerHeks> have fun !
[12:12] <lordcirth> ZoderUck, is this a Windows or Ubuntu question?
[12:14] <NinjaWilsy> Ubuntu is downloading! :D
[12:15] <ktechmidas> OerHeks - spoke too soon it seems
[12:15] <ktechmidas> http://pastebin.com/wBw91vhM
[12:15] <ktechmidas> China is really screwing with me here :|
[12:23] <thallys> Oiie
[12:25] <NinjaWilsy> Now I just need a disk or a usb drive and I'm back in the world of Ubunut!
[12:28] <Simooon> Are the developers of snap packages or the packages vettet? How do I know that I can trust the telegram package that I can install through snap? (That has not been made availible by telegram, but some random guy)
[12:29] <mcphail> Simooon: no, they are not vetted. Snap confinement means that untrrusted packages have very limited access to your system, but it does not prevent all skullduggery
[12:30] <Simooon> mcphail, Okay, so installing e.g. a communications client through snap is basically a gamble :-/ Damn.
[12:31] <mcphail> Simooon: there are sisks, yes
[12:31] <mcphail> *risks
[12:31] <Simooon> mcphail, but thanks for the answer :-)
[12:31] <mcphail> Simooon: np. Remember the developers of a lot of these snaps are Canonical employees
[12:32] <tehmal> hi any know why i get this problem??? https://postimg.org/image/94ox3tqwb/
[12:33] <Simooon> mcphail, hmm, any easy way of vhecking whether that is the case or not? I'm totally new to snaps, the system seems very nice, I' just don't feel safe installing software provided by someone I have no idea who is.
[12:34] <Simooon> *checking
[12:34] <mcphail> Simooon: looks as if the telegram app is by a Canonical employee, judging by his email address
[12:35] <mcphail> Simooon: and you can always ask in the #snappy channel
[12:36] <Simooon> mcphail, but where do I even find that information, is there a website where I can see all the packages? All I'm using is the "snap find searchword" function, and the information there is (understandably) very sparse.
[12:36] <Simooon> mcphail, oh, didn't realize there was a channel for that, I will go there, thanks :-)
[12:37] <mcphail> Simooon: I think snaps are now listed on the Ubuntu Software centre. You can also search for snaps on uappexplorer
[12:37] <SupaYoshi> http://prntscr.com/cwnpyv what to do here o.o
[12:38] <SupaYoshi> The FACTURS direcotry is unreadable.
[12:39] <Simooon> mcphail, okay, thanks for the help, I will go bother people on #snappy :-P
[12:40] <Tuplad> I have 2 systems: 1 media player (wifi) and 1 desktop (wired). The media player could access my video database until I switched desktop to wifi. How can I fix this ?
[12:40] <mcphail> Simooon: enjoy! I have to say, I like snaps. They are a bit more secure than a random .deb or PPA
[12:41] <Tuplad> Samba config: https://paste.ubuntu.com/23353418/ Network info: https://paste.ubuntu.com/23353410/
[12:43] <younder> The curse and blessing of the non-existence of
[12:45] <alakx> Hello! How do i translate this iptables rule to ubuntu firewall: "-A INPUT -i eth0 -s 10.2.0.51,10.2.0.52 -d 228.0.0.3 -j ACCEPT" ?
[12:45] <Simooon> mcphail, thanks, I really think the snap system has huge potential as well, and it is probably just that I don't understand it well enough yet, perhaps I should look at those man pages again :-P
[12:45] <younder> Simooon, have you checked out ufw?
[12:46] <Simooon> younder, no, what is that?
[12:46] <younder> because iptables  seems a bit havy for that
[12:46] <younder> heavy
[12:47] <younder> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/firewall.html
[12:47] <OerHeks> younder, how do you come up with that knowledge? iptables are fine.
[12:49] <younder> OerHeks, In the kernel is is netfilter. And it is hard to use
[12:50] <Simooon> younder, did you tag me by mistake, I don't see how this firewall stuff relates to my inquiries about snap?
[12:50] <xpl0iter> Hi Can someone please tellme how I can install libgit2?
[12:50] <younder> ?
[12:51] <xpl0iter> In which package does it come?
[12:51] <OerHeks> !find libgit2
[12:51] <k1l_> xpl0iter: on what ubuntu release are you?
[12:51] <younder> sudo apt install libgit2-24 (uunder 16.04)
[12:52] <xpl0iter> k1l_, 16.04
[12:52] <OerHeks> alakx, the only problem i see is that with 16.04/systemd the name eth0 can be changed
[12:52] <k1l_> xpl0iter: install libgit2-24
[12:53] <xpl0iter> k1l_, younder thanks.
[12:53] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:54] <alakx> OerHeks : yes but how do i add it to ufw?
[12:55] <OerHeks> alakx, easy way would be installing gufw, gui for ufw
[12:56] <SupaYoshi> http://prntscr.com/cwnpyv what to do here o.o
[12:56] <jarlath> k1l_: Thanks for doing the heavy lifting yesterday. The last step for me was to force install the 16.10 repowerd-data package so that the 16.10 repowerd package could be uninstalled. apt is working again - cheers :-)
[12:56] <k1l_> jarlath: ah, good it wokred
[12:56] <k1l_> *worked
[13:16] <ktechmidas> ... I tried a do-release-upgrade and it's got stuck
[13:16] <ktechmidas> "Setting up keyboard-configuration"
[13:16] <ktechmidas> what's so difficult about the keyboard-configuration that would bring the entire upgrade to a grinding halt??
[13:16] <ikonia> it may not be that
[13:16] <ikonia> that may be just what's on screen at the time of the problem
[13:17] <ktechmidas> ack :(
[13:17] <SonikkuAmerica> syn?
[13:17] <younder> rst!
[13:18] <MWM> is there any problem with choosing a USB3 pendrive for installation media?  Ive had issues before but am not sure if it was USB#'s fault or somewhere else
[13:18] <sync0pate> Can anyone recommmend me a good dictionary? Preferably cli?
[13:18] <SonikkuAmerica> Ah, someone gets the QoS joke. All right, back on topice. :)
[13:18] <SonikkuAmerica> *topic.
[13:20] <EriC^^> MWM: no usb3 should be fine
[13:20] <ktechmidas> I don't see anything wrong in the logs
[13:21] <MWM> EriC^^ thanks :)
[13:21] <ktechmidas> it seems to have investigatd a few broken things and fixed them
[13:25] <DSee> Hello, how safe is Ubuntu vs other distros? Some snobs say that Ubuntu is for noobs, that it's not as secured etc... Can anyone break this myth?
[13:25] <ChrisWarrick> DSee: A lot of people trust Ubuntu to run their servers.
[13:25] <DSee> ChrisWarrick:  but.. is it because it's easy, or because they trust it the same way as running Debian for example
[13:26] <r3m_> DSee, it is based on debian...
[13:27] <BluesKaj> DSee, you're coorect about linux snobs, but that doesn't mean they're right
[13:27] <BluesKaj> correct even
[13:27] <ChrisWarrick> DSee: Managing a Linux server isn’t *that* different between distributions, especially in systemd days
[13:28] <r3m_> systemd -_-
[13:28] <ChrisWarrick> r3m_: It’s awesome.
[13:28] <r3m_> ChrisWarrick, far from KISS
[13:29] <ChrisWarrick> r3m_: but really close to user-friendly
[13:29] <ChrisWarrick> r3m_: I get process management for my own scripts for free. I don’t have to guess whichever method of updating symlinks $DISTRO prefers.
[13:30] <k1l_> DSee: look at ubuntu.com/usn that is what the ubuntu security team fixes on the daily business. ubuntu is used by real big companies to run desktop, server and cloud. your guys dont have a clue, to be honest.
[13:31] <DSee> k1l_: so you're pretty much telling me that the only people that think Ubuntu is inferior are ignorant Linux snobs, and that the statement is totally wrong... correct?
[13:31] <ChrisWarrick> How do I configure the console framebuffer? Ubuntu 16.04, VirtualBox starts with 80x24 TerminusBold, then goes to something larger with the VGA font, and then may or may not go back to Terminus at that screen size (RANDOMLY!)
[13:31] <V7> How to install Audio Recorder on KDE Neon ?
[13:31] <V7> I can;t install it from repositories ...
[13:31] <femme> How do I install a package from a newer release's ppa and have it update by itself? I know I can install the deb manually but is there a way to tell apt to ignore the release name mismatch?
[13:31] <ChrisWarrick> DSee: To be fair, I’m not an Ubuntu fan for complicating some stuff, and for Unity.
[13:31] <k1l_> DSee: if they could not tell any technical facts, yes.
[13:32] <DSee> k1l_:  ok, thank you for taking the time sr
[13:32] <DSee> I understand now what I have to do.. thank you all
[13:32] <k1l_> V7: ask the kde guys what they changed on kde neon.
[13:33] <ktechmidas> everything I try it gets stuck here: Setting up keyboard-configuration (1.70ubuntu8) ... - no obvious errors in the logs
[13:33] <sync0pate> Can anyone help with dictionaries?
[13:33] <femme> Is there something I have to add to the sources.d line?
[13:33] <ktechmidas> about ready to hose the damn thing
[13:33] <EriC^^> femme: are you sure you won't break the release doing that?
[13:33] <femme> EriC^^: Yes I am sure and I can debug the system if that happens
[13:35] <cerealguy> good morning all.  i'm losing network connectivity on a DHCP network.  looking at /var/log/syslog, my IP lease keeps expiring every 600 seconds, and it'll then grab another one which I this the source of the problem.  i've edited /etc/dhcp/dhcp.conf but am not seeing the settings reflected in /var/lib/dhcp/dhcp.leases.  See this paste for the speci
[13:35] <cerealguy> fics:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/23353669/
[13:35] <mustmodify> I'm trying to add an arbitrary port for SSHing. I edited /etc/ssh/sshd_config to have "Port 22, 12345" and also tried "Port 22 12345" but both times after restarting SSH I can't even get in on 22. What's the correct syntax?
[13:36] <ChrisWarrick> mustmodify: Try one port only
[13:36] <mustmodify> I need two.
[13:36] <mustmodify> 22 and 12345
[13:36] <mustmodify> 22 locally and 12345 comes in from my firewall.
[13:36] <ChrisWarrick> (why?)
[13:36] <EriC^^> femme: i think you just change the release name in the sources.list.d/file.list
[13:36] <mustmodify> I could switch all my utilities locally.
[13:36] <ChrisWarrick> mustmodify: you need two Port options. But IMO you should have 12345 for both sides
[13:37] <mustmodify> I guess I'll do that.
[13:37] <EriC^^> like deb http://.... xenial .... and put the new release name there femme
[13:37] <femme> EriC^^: thank you
[13:37] <ChrisWarrick> mustmodify: I’ve got my servers in ~/.ssh/config with friendly name and port configured
[13:37] <mustmodify> Ah! Got it. It's "Port x\nPort y"
[13:37] <EriC^^> femme: no problem
[13:38] <mustmodify> still, might make sense to use only one port,  just for consistency, even if I am behind a firewall.
[13:38] <mustmodify> I really wanted my firewall to just connect the arbitrary port to 22 on this machine... but it said, "The target port must be >= the incoming port." Which seemed odd.
[13:44] <ZoderUck> : Sequence contains more than one element
[13:50] <ChrisWarrick> Huh, it seems telling Grub to go with a specific mode works
[13:52] <EriC^^> ChrisWarrick: grub?
[13:52] <ChrisWarrick> EriC^^: regarding setting a framebuffer
[13:52] <EriC^^> oh
[13:53] <EriC^^> GRUB_GFX thing?
[13:53] <ChrisWarrick> yes
[13:53] <ChrisWarrick> and one more for GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX
[13:53] <EriC^^> keep?
[13:53] <ZoderUck> creep
[13:54] <ZoderUck> Grub on 16.04 ?
[13:55] <EriC^^> i wondered about that a little, i didn't know much about it to answer though
[13:55] <EriC^^> just know you can use that to set the resolution early in the boot process and keep is used to pass it to the kernel or something
[13:55] <ChrisWarrick> The fact I learned this from Debian wiki is not nice
[13:56] <CosmicNoise> I'm having trouble trying to get an Acer Aspire laptop to see some bootable USB sticks
[13:56] <EriC^^> wait til you see the arch wiki :p
[13:56] <ChrisWarrick> EriC^^: I’m an Archer, actually
[13:56] <CosmicNoise> it has windows 10 on it installed uefi style
[13:56] <EriC^^> ChrisWarrick: ah:D
[13:57] <EriC^^> the arch wiki has a lot of good stuff
[13:57] <kamisama> HIii, How do I change to a channel
[13:57] <EriC^^> kamisama: /join #channel
[13:57] <ChrisWarrick> (You are currently in #ubuntu.)
[13:57] <EriC^^> some channels need ##channel
[13:59] <kamisama> Thanks for the help
[14:03] <OnkelTem> Hi
[14:03] <OnkelTem> How to install a langauge? When I add it in the Locale settings (KDE) it says: You have the language with code 'ru' in your list of languages to use for translation but the localization files for it could not be found. The language has been removed from your configuration. If you want to add it again please install the localization files for it and add the language again.
[14:04] <OnkelTem> 14.04. Since when we have problems with installing langauges?
[14:05] <Random832> OnkelTem: apt install language-pack-kde-ru
[14:05] <Random832> you may also want to add ru_RU.UTF-8 and ru_RU.[any other charsets] to /etc/locale.gen
[14:06] <kamisama> Join #haskell
[14:07] <kamisama> again how to join???
[14:07] <les_> Hi! I was all excited about live kernel patching in Linux 4.0, but my computer still insists on a reboot every time the kernel is updated. Did I misunderstand the feature, or must I activate it somehow?
[14:07] <Random832> kamisama: /join
[14:07] <NoImNotNineVolt> kamisama: /JOIN [-window] [-invite] [-<server tag>] <channels> [<keys>]
[14:09] <les_> HELLO?
[14:09] <MoutainTop> is there something on with TOR?
[14:10] <MoutainTop> wrong roo
[14:10] <MoutainTop> lol
[14:10] <EriC^^> les_: i dont know a lot about it but i think it's not that mature yet or something
[14:10] <EriC^^> les_: if you join ##linux you might get a more detailed explanation
[14:10] <les_> Thanks, Eric.
[14:11] <kamisama> ##linux
[14:11] <EriC^^> les_: no problem
[14:14] <Noble> Ahoy
[14:14] <Noble> Anybody available to give some help?
[14:14] <k1l_> EriC^^: livepatching is in the mainline kernel since 4.0 and ubuntu is capable of it since kernel 4.4 with 16.04. but you still need to make the live-patches. that is what canonical now offers as a service.
[14:14] <EriC^^> k1l_: aha i see, thanks
[14:15] <k1l_> EriC^^: http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2016/10/canonical-livepatch.html some explaining and details
[14:15] <EriC^^> thanks
[14:15] <Noble> E: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/chris-lea/libsodium/ubuntu/dists/xenial/main/binary-i386/Packages  404  Not Found
[14:15] <Noble> How can I fix that error?
[14:16] <k1l_> Noble: dont use PPAs that are outdated. that PPA doesnt have 16.04 pacakges at all
[14:16] <Noble> Oh
[14:16] <Noble> How can I fix that then?
[14:17] <k1l_> Noble: you should be a little more aware what repos you add to your system. its a huge security issue if you blindly put a repo on.
[14:17] <Noble> I have 7 updates that just won't update
[14:17] <Noble> All the others updated though...
[14:18] <k1l_> Noble: you cant. the PPA guy needs to make 16.04 packages.
[14:18] <Noble> Soooo...
[14:19] <BluesKaj> BBL
[14:26] <cerealguy> back
[14:27] <compdoc> thanks for the warning
[14:29] <skinux> Is there a tool for switching between Teacup Java and Sun Java?
[14:30] <skinux> Correction, from OpenJDK to Sun Java
[14:32] <ducasse> Noble: an alternative is to learn how to build packages yourself, otherwise you need to contact the ppa maintainer and ask if he can provide packages for 16.04. that ppa has not been updated in over a year.
[14:32] <pi__> hello
[14:33] <Noble> Ugh
[14:33] <ducasse> Noble: what's wrong with the libsodium in xenial?
[14:33] <pi__> hello,is anyone here
[14:34] <Pici> pi__: yes.
[14:35] <jrgilman> Hey guys, not exactly a support question, but something of a curiosity. I searched a bit online but couldn't find answers. Why exactly does Ubuntu name its LTS releases XX.04 and its experimental releases XX.10? Is there some significance to those numbers?
[14:35] <ducasse> jrgilman: year/month
[14:35] <jrgilman> holy shit
[14:36] <jrgilman> Do they just firmly stick to the april/october release schedule?
[14:36] <ducasse> jrgilman: every six months.
[14:37] <jrgilman> But there would never be a XX.10 LTS version
[14:37] <Pici> jrgilman: also, LTSes are every two years.  not all xx.04 releases are LTSes.
[14:37] <jrgilman> Yes sorry meant to say, that all LTSs seem to be xx.04 releases
[14:37] <jrgilman> not the other way around haha set theory
[14:37] <k1l_> !releases | jrgilman
[14:39] <de-facto> is there any nvidia driver working stable on xenial?
[14:39] <k1l_> de-facto: why not?
[14:40] <jrgilman> now I understand, thanks guys
[14:40] <chudak> help please ! I am seeing these errors "Bootup is not yet finished. Please try again later."  http://paste2.org/yvWP2Ypx not sure how bad it is and how to fix it
[14:42] <fallen_fallen> hm
[14:42] <de-facto> k1l_ because i always had stable system with nvidia and xenial (and previous releases) with my GT215 (240), for some time now i get very nasty freezes and crashes. Actually im not sure if its a) a kernel update b) some other update c) my hw which causes that. currently im at nvidia 340 (because the other ones did not work at all while installing xenial on release date)
[14:43] <k1l_> de-facto: the nvidia drivers do work for others. so it might be a hardware issue or an issue with the combination of some driver and that card.(or kernel)
[14:43] <de-facto> any chance i get it stabilized with a newer driver for the current xenial kernel?
[14:44] <de-facto> 346 or 352 or even 361 maybe?
[14:45] <k1l_> de-facto: i dont know what the exact issue is
[14:45] <de-facto> yeah me neither, i cant get logs because it freezes so hard that no ssh nor ttys work
[14:45] <de-facto> only SysRQ can reboot it
[14:45] <k1l_> ubuntu ships for xenial 340, 352 and 361
[14:45] <donavan01> how do I check to see what repositories I have listed for apt-get?
[14:46] <k1l_> donavan01: grep ^ /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
[14:47] <de-facto> k1l_ yeah i tried 304 at release but Xorg didnt work with that, so i moved to 340 (which seemed to work so far), but now gets those nasty freezes. if i remember correctly i tried newer ones on release date and they werent able to produce a GUI with Xorg at all
[14:47] <de-facto> maybe my card is exotic or something, not sure
[14:48] <donavan01> k1l_ thanks ... too bad that didn't show me what I thought it was going to show ... now I have to figure out why alsa-utils wont install
[14:48] <k1l_> donavan01: sounds like you want to use "apt-cache policy packagename" to see where that package comes from
[14:49] <donavan01> thanks I will try that
[14:49] <de-facto> it happens either right after login or when i use chromium (i already start it with --no-gpu or such now) but that only helped a bit
[14:50] <de-facto> i guess it can be one function that wasnt called before getting the kernel into some kind of blocking state so that it even cant flush to the fs, because i get loads of inode missing errors on SysRQ restart :(
[14:50] <k1l_> de-facto: after a restart you can look at /var/log and see if the old logs (syslog.1, xorg.log.0) still have more details
[14:51] <skinux> How can I make update-alternatives work with Java downloaded from Oracle instead of installed via repos?
[14:52] <de-facto> k1l_ thanks i already looked at those, i think the kernel is not able to write to fs anymore when it happens
[14:52] <de-facto> at least i cant see anything in there
[14:52] <donavan01> k1l_ looks like nothing is installed and there is no candidate version for alsa-utils but I have the current version for alsa-tools ... should I add the alsa repos and try again ?
[14:53] <k1l_> !info alsa-utils | donavan01
[14:53] <k1l_> donavan01: its in main, so something is wrong on your machine
[14:54] <de-facto> is amdgpu more stable on xenial than nvidia?
[14:55] <de-facto> well i think i try some newer nvidia first, but i get the feeling that i have to trash that nvidia card and buy another solution instead :(
[14:57] <k1l_> donavan01: what ubuntu are you on exactly?
[14:59] <donavan01> k1l_ actually im not using ubuntu ... im using kali but this is the most knowledgable linux group on IRC and being that they are both debian based I figured since no one was in kali that was talking I would ask in here
[15:00] <donavan01> Though im starting to think running ubuntu and just adding all the pentesting tools might be easier
[15:00] <k1l_> donavan01: try ##linux if the kali support doesnt help
[15:00] <catbadger> heyo. the version of wine in the repo doesn't work out of the box
[15:00] <catbadger> I just learned that you need to download it
[15:00] <k1l_> (kali is not even based on ubuntu)
[15:00] <catbadger> thought I'd share
[15:01] <k1l_> catbadger: it works. but its possible that your windows program needs another wine version to run.
[15:01] <donavan01> thanks k1l_ for all your help... I know kali is based on Debian not ubuntu but being that ubuntu is based of deb too some thing cross over
[15:03] <jamie_1> okay so this is also a new one... im trying to run a sudo apt-get upgrade.... and im getting a core dump
[15:03] <jamie_1> im getting: Bus error (core dumped
[15:03] <jamie_1> *Bus error (core dumped) 0%
[15:04] <jamie_1> last time i ran into a core dump it didnt end well... so i think it might be a better idea to get some help from the people that know more than i do
[15:07] <jamie_1> i tried to just run it as sudo apt upgrade.... still same thing
[15:07] <jamie_1> screw it im gonna reboot and hope for the best
[15:09] <Anthaas_> Hi guys - I am trying to clone something from GitHub, but am getting a message back saying that it was unable to connect to a proxy. The proxy it is trying to connect to is known to me, however I have set my network settings to not use any proxy. Can someone help me resolve this?
[15:11] <SchrodingersScat> Anthaas_: just curious, what does echo "$http_proxy" say?
[15:11] <student> hello?
[15:11] <Anthaas_> SchrodingersScat: It does return the proxy that it is trying to use.
[15:12] <Anthaas_> However, Im using IntelliJ, and have also set it in its options not to use any proxy.
[15:12] <student>  ok ty
[15:12] <Anthaas_> Every place I can think of to set no proxy is set.
[15:12] <student> very much
[15:12] <SchrodingersScat> Anthaas_: ok, you may want to unset that, maybe check $https_proxy as well.
[15:12] <SchrodingersScat> Anthaas_: presuming that you're correct that you don't need the proxy, etc.
[15:12] <Anthaas_> SchrodingersScat: Is it possible to comment out lines in /etc/environment?
[15:12]  * SchrodingersScat doesn't know about that...
[15:12] <Anthaas_> Using #
[15:12] <Anthaas_> Yeah, thats what Im not sure about either haha
[15:13] <Anthaas_> Not sure if TIAS would be safe here?
[15:13] <SchrodingersScat> I just figured there's a chance that git was reading $http(s)_proxy
[15:14] <Anthaas_> Yeah, it does seem to be, but I ignored that because I had specifically told it to as well
[15:19] <ChrisWarrick> Trying to run `startx` as a regular user leads to a crash wtih xf86EnableIOPorts: failed to set IOPL for I/O (Operation not permitted) and a segfault. How do I fix this? (16.04 on VirtualBox with guest additions)
[15:23] <k1l_> ChrisWarrick: on ubuntu you start the *dm. lightdm for example. if you want to start the gui
[15:23] <ChrisWarrick> k1l_: What if I want to use startx/xinit?
[15:24] <de-facto> hmm this is really sad, it seems xenial will not work for my hw anymore: i tried nvidia-340/346/361, anything over 340 will not even try to use my card (nasty gui flickering loop) and tells me to use the legacy 340.xx branch, which is unstable on xenial now
[15:24] <de-facto> the nouveau driver kinda works with a load of gui glitches
[15:24] <alkisg> ChrisWarrick: I think that /usr/bin/Xorg was setuid in the previous versions, exactly for what you're saying, but now that it's not, only KMS drivers can run as non-root; I think you should ask in #ubuntu-x about that use case, if they want to support it or not anymore
[15:25] <k1l_> de-facto: that video card is still in support by nvidia, right?
[15:25] <alkisg> ChrisWarrick: as an alternative, you can start xorg as root and use something like nodm to login as the user
[15:25] <alkisg> ChrisWarrick: i.e. as simple as apt install nodm and a small config
[15:26] <de-facto> k1l_ dmesg tells me something like "The NVIDIA GeForce GT 240 GPU installed in this system is supported through the NVIDIA 340.xx Legacy drivers"
[15:26] <ChrisWarrick> alkisg: I’m looking for a solution that allows starting X on demand, without root password
[15:26] <k1l_> de-facto: the hardware makers drop support for old cards. then you can only run the legacy drivers or the open source ones
[15:27] <alkisg> ChrisWarrick: it might also be possible to just put the setuid back in /usr/bin/Xorg, try it
[15:27] <deadshot> what is reinforcement learning ?
[15:27] <de-facto> k1l_ yeah i know and i was happy with 340 before until those freezes caused data loss, its a  NVIDIA GT215 (0a3180a2)
[15:27] <mcphail> de-facto: can't you use the 304 driver?
[15:28] <ChrisWarrick> alkisg: doesn’t seem to do it
[15:28] <de-facto> mcphail i dont think so, at least when i tried on xenial release day it wasnt working (not remember exactly but i think Xorg either froze or didnt show up at all)
[15:28] <alkisg> ChrisWarrick: try asking in #ubuntu-x, but do have a lot of patience, even a whole day, for a reply...
[15:28] <ioria> ChrisWarrick, do you have a ~/.xinitrc set  ?
[15:28] <mcphail> de-facto: that's a shame. i think it is still the default for the nvidia-current metapackage
[15:29] <ChrisWarrick> ioria: No, should I?
[15:29] <de-facto> mcphail yes i know thats why i tried it first
[15:29] <ChrisWarrick> ioria: The error seems to happen even before X would start
[15:29] <de-facto> hmm does this mean i have to buy a now GPU now?
[15:29] <ioria> ChrisWarrick,  check with ps if lightdm, or gdm or xorg is ruuning (atm, i mean)
[15:29] <ChrisWarrick> ioria: no
[15:29] <ChrisWarrick> I haven’t installed any display manager
[15:29] <ShayBox> whats ur  problem de-facto ?
[15:30] <mcphail> de-facto: I can try to dig out an old 2xx card and try (I think I have a 210 somewhere), but probably won't be able to get my hands on it until after the weekend. It may help for a bug report...
[15:30] <ChrisWarrick> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xinit/+bug/1562219
[15:30] <ioria> ChrisWarrick,  xinit -- :0 -nolisten tcp vt$XDG_VTNR
[15:30] <de-facto> ShayBox only driver for my  NVIDIA GT215 (0a3180a2) that worked was the nvidia-340, but at some point or kernel update it started to have nasty freezes (only SysRQ could give me back control with missing inodes after reboot)
[15:31] <de-facto> mcphail naa thats too much effort i think but thanks a lot
[15:31] <ChrisWarrick> ioria: Doesn’t work.
[15:31] <ShayBox> de-facto, have you tried starting grub with nomodeset flag? my gpu wont boot w/o 340 aswell and wont boot with 16.04+ because of new kernel unless i use nomodeset
[15:32] <ioria> ChrisWarrick,  what the output ?
[15:32] <deadshot> why my ubuntu 15.04 hangs very much ?
[15:32] <de-facto> mcphail i guess my card is not mainstream enough (even nouveau didnt ever really support it because of GDDR5 or such)
[15:32] <ChrisWarrick> ioria: It crashes the same way as always
[15:32] <ioria> ChrisWarrick,  ls /etx/X11/xorg.conf ?
[15:32] <nacc> deadshot: 15.04 is eol
[15:32] <ioria> ChrisWarrick,  ls /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[15:32] <ChrisWarrick> ioria: You do know this file doesn’t exist for 5 years?
[15:33] <ioria> ChrisWarrick,  yes, but could have created it
[15:33] <ChrisWarrick> I’m on a very clean install.
[15:33] <ioria> ChrisWarrick,  of what exactly ?
[15:33] <ChrisWarrick> ioria: 16.04
[15:33] <ChrisWarrick> server edition, so no graphical crap built in
[15:34] <ioria> ChrisWarrick,  :ç_ç
[15:34] <ShayBox> yea de-facto that sounds like the issue i have, just boot grub with nomodeset and it should work
[15:34] <ioria> ChrisWarrick,  so how can you start X ?
[15:34] <ChrisWarrick> ioria: sudo xinit, sudo startx → works fine
[15:34] <ChrisWarrick> ioria: xinit, startx as non-root → crashes
[15:34] <mcphail> de-facto: No worries. Hope you get a solution
[15:34] <de-facto> ShayBox thanks i will try that, you said you use 340 with nomodeset on xeniam amd64 right?
[15:34] <jamie_1> okay so i got some direct info on my issue and put it in a past bin... https://pastebin.mozilla.org/8920437 seems i might have an issue with my hdd
[15:35] <ShayBox> yes, thats exactly what i use :D
[15:35] <de-facto> kk thx i will try and reboot
[15:35] <ioria> ChrisWarrick,  so you installed xorg and what else ?
[15:35] <ShayBox> i have a GT 630 (fake ebay) so it doesnt work with anything but 340
[15:35] <jamie_1> anyone have any idea on how to possibly solve this error? i could easily pop in a bootable drive and then run smartctl but all that is gonna tell me is what i already know...
[15:35] <ChrisWarrick> ioria: xinit, openbox, virtualbox drivers, none of this matters. I found the cause, it’s a bug in Ubuntu (surprise!)
[15:36] <jamie_1> where is bashing when i need him lol
[15:37] <nacc> ChrisWarrick: why is `sudo startx` not ok for your case? you don't need root password for that
[15:37] <deadshot> nacc, eol means ?
[15:37] <ducasse> !eolupgrade | deadshot
[15:37] <ChrisWarrick> nacc: Who will that run my graphical environment as?
[15:38] <ChrisWarrick> nacc: ROOT, of course! That’s what sudo is for!
[15:38] <deadshot> should i update to 15.10 ?
[15:38] <ChrisWarrick> deadshot: 16.04 at the very least
[15:39] <ShayBox> update to 16.04, 16.10 is a maybe, i wont
[15:39] <nacc> ChrisWarrick: "I’m looking for a solution that allows starting X  on demand, without root password"
[15:39] <nacc> ChrisWarrick: you did not say not as root
[15:39] <nacc> deadshot: 15.10 is also eol, that's why 16.04 would be recommended
[15:39] <jamie_1> just throwing this up here again so i can get it from my mobile https://pastebin.mozilla.org/8920437
[15:40] <jamie_1> gonna reboot in non-gui and run throught there see if i can figure out this core dump issue
[15:40] <deadshot> nacc, ok
[15:40] <deadshot> thanks
[15:40] <de-facto> ShayBox ok rebooted, i had exactly that config without "nomodeset" before, now using it and hoping it will be more stable with "nomodeset"
[15:40] <ioria> ChrisWarrick,  i'm not on a vm, but xinit works on 16.04 server ...
[15:40] <ChrisWarrick> nacc: I would expect you to infer this information, and how things like this work.
[15:40] <ShayBox> lets hope :D
[15:41] <deadshot> command to update ?
[15:41] <nacc> deadshot: follow ubottu's faq from earlier
[15:41] <ShayBox> do-release-upgrade
[15:41] <nacc> ShayBox: won't work for eol releases
[15:41] <nacc> iirc
[15:41] <ShayBox> ah
[15:42] <deadshot> ok
[15:42] <lucy> =
[15:42] <deadshot> nacc, thanks
[15:42] <nacc> deadshot: yw
[15:43] <thallys> Oi
[15:43] <de-facto> so in case i cant stabilize it, which GPU/Card (PCIex16) is the recommended choice for *maximum* stability on Xenial?
[15:43] <de-facto> nvidia, amdgpu?
[15:43] <ShayBox> i use nvidia, i would personally get a nvidia, but just make sure its a newer one, like GTX series
[15:45] <de-facto> ShayBox hmm are the newer ones more stable with binary drivers? or should i rather go for one with open source (nouveau, amdgpu) because then its more tighty fit into the newer kernels?
[15:46] <ShayBox> not really sure, i havent looked into that stuff, i just prefer Nvidia, when i upgrade i'm going to get a GTX 780
[15:46] <de-facto> which would be one which most ppl use? are there any statistics somewhere?
[15:46] <jrgilman> Hey guys, I just had a failed dist-upgrade that was due to the /boot drive being too full
[15:46] <jrgilman> I want to confirm my next actions with you guys
[15:46] <jrgilman> Just to make sure they aren't silly
[15:47] <ShayBox> de-facto, https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3rlvqt/amd_or_nvidia_for_linux_gaming/?st=iuiisrq6&sh=bed31ba2 that seems good
[15:47] <jrgilman> Here is the error message at the end of the dist-upgrade command where it failed: http://vpaste.net/wV6Yp
[15:47] <nacc> jrgilman: my guess is `apt autoremove`, maybe you have old kernels around?
[15:47] <jrgilman> I already cleaned up the old kernels in the boot drive so that there's now enough space, but when I did dist-upgrade again it did not work. I assume that's because there's a partially downloaded xenial kernel
[15:47] <jrgilman> autoremove never works for me in terms of removing old kernels
[15:48] <jrgilman> i always have to go in there and manually delete them every few months
[15:48] <UserUS> jrgilman: are you using EUFI or Legacy
[15:48] <ShayBox> i know seperate /boot partition is smart, but i don't do it because of that
[15:49] <de-facto> ShayBox thanks i will read into that and maybe buy a new card then, id rather trash perfectly fine (i guess) hw than ubuntu itself
[15:49] <jrgilman> Back to what I was saying though, I'm worried that if I do a restart now I will have issues booting since the xenial kernel is partially installed
[15:49] <jrgilman> http://vpaste.net/yy28k
[15:49] <jrgilman> is my goal here to remove the lts-xenial kernel and then try dist-upgrade again?
[15:49] <ducasse> de-facto: there are a lot of people who come in here with nvidia driver issues, you might want to do some more digging. personally, i prefer intel, but they don't do discrete cards, of course.
[15:50] <jrgilman> note, I already removed all those old images
[15:50] <jrgilman> UserUS: no idea, how does one determine that
[15:50] <nacc> jrgilman: use `apt-get -f install`
[15:51] <jrgilman> do you mean apt-get -f dist-upgrade?
[15:51] <nacc> jrgilman: it's not correct that autoremove is not removing your kernels (aiui), so I'm guessing you maybe removed a metapackage
[15:51] <UserUS> jrgilman: go into bios and see if EUFI is enabled or Legacy boot
[15:51] <nacc> jrgilman: no, you need to fix the failed installed
[15:51] <nacc> *installs
[15:51] <de-facto> ducasse yes i know but that would mean i would have to buy a whole new computer and this one is (at least when it concerns performance) still in good shape. If i really need to get a new one i would go for Xeon E3/C236 and maybe plug a card into that. but i guess i also just can buy the card itself now and upgrade the rest later
[15:51] <verticlebert> UserUS: i think he's afriad of rebooting at this point
[15:52] <jrgilman> UserUS: You mean UEFI? I'm using UEFI
[15:52] <nacc> UserUS: that seems completely unrelated
[15:52] <de-facto> ducasse if intel itself is not enough, what would be your next best choice? amdgpu?
[15:52] <jrgilman> what I'm worried about is that I have a broken installed xenial kernel
[15:52] <nacc> jrgilman: yes, use `apt -f install` to fix it
[15:52] <jrgilman> also tried that nacc
[15:52] <verticlebert> Hey guys, I'm looking to replace my window manager on my laptop. I have suspend working but lock screen doesn't come up on resume. Any idea where to poke first?
[15:52] <jrgilman> nada
[15:53] <nacc> jrgilman: please pastebin the output
[15:53] <jrgilman> doing that now
[15:53] <jrgilman> http://vpaste.net/59PYJ
[15:53] <jrgilman> Your standard 0 upgraded 0 installed message
[15:54] <nacc> jrgilman: output of `apt install linux-generic-lts-xenial` ?
[15:54] <jrgilman> "already the newest version"
[15:54] <ducasse> de-facto: i really don't know, my only demands for a gpu is three heads and intel does that just fine. find a model you like, then browse for problem reports or ask here about that specific model.
[15:54] <jrgilman> I'm afraid that it's confused on that matter
[15:54] <jrgilman> is there a way to checksum the kernel file?
[15:54] <nacc> jrgilman: you could see if the initrd is of an appropriate size
[15:55] <jrgilman> is that in /boot?
[15:55] <nacc> jrgilman: yes
[15:55] <jrgilman> Is there somewhere online where it is the appropriate size?
[15:55] <jrgilman> or where i can get that info
[15:55] <nacc> jrgilman: presumably you have more than one kerne isntalled; see if they are at least similar; as your error log earlier was a failure to write the initrd
[15:56] <ezio> is there a specific group a user needs to be in to login to unity
[15:56] <jrgilman> nacc: interesting, I think actually xenial never even unzipped...
[15:56] <ezio> i just installed unity to a server
[15:56] <ezio> and i can't login as my main user
[15:56] <nacc> jrgilman: can you pastebin `ls -ahl /boot` ?
[15:56] <jrgilman> http://vpaste.net/WdsY8
[15:56] <jrgilman> oh I just did a ls -al
[15:56] <nacc> jrgilman: why do you say it never even unzipped?
[15:56] <jrgilman> .gz?
[15:57] <nacc> jrgilman: that's the xen kernel?
[15:57] <ioria> ezio, can you login in console ?
[15:57] <jrgilman> I assume so
[15:57] <nacc> jrgilman: are you using xen?
[15:57] <ezio> ioria, yup
[15:57] <nacc> jrgilman: it's not relevant to this discussion
[15:57] <jrgilman> I'm trying to dist-upgrade to 16.04
[15:57] <ioria> ezio,  ls -al   ~/.Xauthority
[15:57] <lion4407> is anyone running ubuntu 16.10 with virtualbox?
[15:57] <nacc> jrgilman: you can see that initrd.img-4.4.0-45-generic is there
[15:57] <jrgilman> Is that the xenial kernel?
[15:57] <nicomachus> lion4407: no one here is going to help you after your tantrum the other day.
[15:58] <de-facto> ducasse ok thx will come back after some reading i guess
[15:58] <jrgilman> I must've mistook xen for xenial
[15:58] <jrgilman> sorry about that
[15:58] <OerHeks> lion4407, vbox just released a version that works with 4.8 kernel
[15:58] <lion4407> nicomachus, well no one helped me the other day anyway rofl
[15:58] <nacc> jrgilman: i'm *guessing* but probably when you previously removed a kernel manually (i hope still using apt), that enough space was freed and the -45 kernele successfully installed
[15:58] <lion4407> thanks oerheks
[15:58] <nacc> jrgilman: -45 was what failed before
[15:58] <ezio> ioria, no directory
[15:58] <ioria> ezio,   pwd
[15:58] <OerHeks> lion4407, so behave ;-) http://news.softpedia.com/news/virtualbox-5-1-8-out-now-oracle-adds-linux-kernel-4-8-support-in-virtualbox-5-0-509433.shtml
[15:58] <jrgilman> nacc: I did remove them via apt
[15:59] <nacc> jrgilman: ok
[15:59] <ducasse> de-facto: sorry, i have no better suggestions. OerHeks - can you recommend a _stable_ video card + driver combo?
[15:59] <nacc> jrgilman: so apt would have known you still had the -45 packages to finish installing and would have tried each time, iirc
[15:59] <jrgilman> nacc: so ubuntu can do that? rerun the kernel install in the background?
[15:59] <jrgilman> huh
[15:59] <ezio>  /home/james ioria
[15:59] <nacc> jrgilman: it would have said so on the console
[15:59] <jrgilman> interesting let me see
[15:59] <ezio> ioria, do you mane passwd?
[15:59] <ezio> mean
[15:59] <ezio> how did i eff that one up
[16:00] <jrgilman> nacc: so to make sure I understand correctly, apt has a queue of unfinished things somewhere, and whenever i run an apt command it attempts to execute that queue?
[16:00] <ShayBox> jrgilman, smart thing is to make a usb for your distro version so that if it does break you can boot into it and recover
[16:00] <ezio> anyone know the key combination to access the console when in unity?
[16:00] <jrgilman> ShayBox: well worst case scenario I can just choose the -36 kernel via the grub boot menu
[16:00] <ioria> ezio,   nope.... you can paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[16:00] <OerHeks> ducasse, de-facto just read back, what chipset for that Xeon E3/C236  and does it support PCI 2.0?
[16:00] <nacc> jrgilman: i believe that's roughly correct, apt has state
[16:00] <ioria> ezio,   ctrl+alt+f(1) or 2
[16:00] <jrgilman> nacc: TIL thanks
[16:01] <nacc> jrgilman: i would try rebooting and seeing if the kernel boots :)
[16:01] <ezio> ioria, tried that ... damn vmwamre
[16:01] <ezio> vmware
[16:01] <ioria> ezio,   vm ?
[16:01] <ShayBox> vmware?
[16:01] <jrgilman> nacc: alright sorry for bothering you guys about that, I wanted to make sure that I wasn't about to do something idiotic
[16:01] <ezio> ioria, yeah
[16:01] <nacc> jrgilman: np
[16:01] <ShayBox> you mean vmbox? i didnt know vmware was on linux
[16:01] <jrgilman> hopefully I'll be back in a minute haha
[16:01] <ezio> ShayBox, a) it is b) this is a windows host
[16:02] <ShayBox> oh
[16:02] <lion4407> oerheks i upgraded to that latest release and 16.10 still has issues
[16:02] <ioria> ezio,  have you checked /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[16:02] <ShayBox> oh wow it is...
[16:03] <ezio> ioria, checking now
[16:03] <ioria> ezio, what pkg, did you install exactly ubuntu-desktop ?
[16:03] <ezio> apt-get install unity
[16:03] <ezio> ioria, what am i looking for in here
[16:04] <ioria> ezio, oh, i think you need ubuntu-desktop pkg
[16:04] <ioria> ezio, not only unity
[16:04] <ezio> well i'm in unity
[16:04] <ezio> i mean i can get in
[16:04] <de-facto> OerHeks right now im using i7 860 on intel P55 chipset (GA-P55-UD5) which has PCI Express x16 2.0 slots with nvidia GT215 (which is unstable). i might upgrade in future to some Xeon E3 on C236 chipset or so, but i want to buy a stable card now already (and plug it into my i7-860/P55) to use it later on the new setup too
[16:04] <ezio> i think it must be a dependancy
[16:05] <ioria> ezio,  so you can login ?
[16:05] <ezio> there were exactly 11 billion and 3 dependancies
[16:05] <ezio> actually lets see
[16:05] <OerHeks> gt215 is super low, get an gt 6/7 series cheap
[16:05] <de-facto> OerHeks i think the C236 chipset provides PCI-E 3.0 x16 already though
[16:05] <nicomachus> Or a Radeon HD 6000 series for cheap.
[16:06] <de-facto> well im not sure if i want to buy an old card, because then im pretty soon stuck with legacy drivers again i guess
[16:06] <OerHeks> de-facto, with 2.0 you are fine, i am running 1.2 and not all cards work perfectly ( mostly fan issues)
[16:06] <ezio> how do i modprobe my eth0 in maintenance mode
[16:07] <ShayBox> OerHeks, you can enable coolbits to enable fan control
[16:07] <jrgilman> nacc: well, I booted
[16:07] <OerHeks> ShayBox, tried that, i have a fresh 710 in my basket
[16:08] <jrgilman> nacc: but it does not seem that I'm "on 16.04", everything is still reporting as if I'm on ubuntu 14.04
[16:08] <nacc> jrgilman: how did you attempt to upgrade?
[16:08] <jrgilman> uname -r does report that I'm on the -45 kernel though
[16:08] <jrgilman> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[16:08] <ShayBox> personally i have external fan control module becuase my gpu onboard headers fried
[16:08] <nacc> jrgilman: also that package is the *trusty* xenail hwe stack
[16:08] <nacc> jrgilman: that's not typically how you release upgrade
[16:08] <jrgilman> oh really?
[16:08] <nacc> jrgilman: sudo do-release-upgrade
[16:08] <nacc> jrgilman: unless you manually update your /etc/apt/source.list
[16:09] <fiillos> Is there ppa for Pulseaudio compiled with soxr-vhq resampling method and bluetooth headsets works without hassling in 16.04 or HOW to fix this issues easy way please? and thanks! These should works out of the box so every noob could listen music with exellent quality with Ubuntu! this is little thing, but important.
[16:09] <jrgilman> nacc: now I feel silly
[16:09] <Pici> nacc: (which you shouldn't do)
[16:09] <de-facto> OerHeks i guess PCI-E 3.0 x16 cards are downwards compatible with PCI-E 2.0 x16 so if i wanted to buy a new card which is very good supported on xenial and just is _stable_ which GPU/driver combo should i go for?
[16:09] <nacc> Pici: agreed
[16:10] <ducasse> de-facto: you could consider an older amd card and use the radeon driver, in many cases a very stable combo.
[16:10] <nicomachus> ^ this works well for me
[16:10] <nacc> jrgilman: this is why (imo) dist-upgrade is no longer an option to `apt` :)
[16:10] <OerHeks> both GT 6/7 are fine and stable
[16:10] <jrgilman> nacc: This is my first time ever actually upgrading a distribution of ubuntu to another
[16:10] <nacc> jrgilman: ah ok
[16:10] <nicomachus> de-facto: I have a Radeon HD 6450 that I got for $50 and use the radeon driver on. Works perfectly, no hassle at all.
[16:10] <jrgilman> nacc: I've been using 14.04 for about 1 year now as my main operating system so still a newb
[16:10] <nacc> jrgilman: yeah, you want do-release-upgrade
[16:10] <ducasse> de-facto: i have a hd5450 in my server, has been rock solid for years and years.
[16:11] <ShayBox> i've never upgraded, i reinstall, but now i use a rolling release of ubuntu
[16:11] <jrgilman> nacc: yup doing that now, linux in general is a very TIL operating system haha
[16:11] <nacc> jrgilman: i believe this is explicitly documented int he release notes?
[16:12] <nacc> jrgilman: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes
[16:12] <jrgilman> nacc: I'm not gonna lie, I did not read those
[16:12] <ShayBox> who reads LUL
[16:13] <nacc> jrgilman: so where did you read that 'dist-upgrade' would upgrade releases?
[16:13] <ShayBox> i'm just making very smart guesses on what this chat says and what i'm typing
[16:13] <jrgilman> when you first boot the terminal
[16:13] <jrgilman> it complains to you about
[16:13] <jrgilman> a new distribution is available do
[16:13] <ShayBox> it says it on 14.04 to upgrade to 16.04, but eol releases dont do that
[16:13] <jrgilman> dist-upgrade
[16:13] <nacc> jrgilman: interesting, that seems wrong
[16:13] <lion4407> OerHeks, i think i figured it out rofl
[16:14] <nacc> jrgilman: in any case, just follow the steps on the release notes
[16:14] <lion4407> Oerheks when I updgrade to latest release I forgot to set to auto run as administrator
[16:14] <cosmin> NB0-YPPVTÎGOGPJȘLGȚJBHȘLKȚJ
[16:14] <jrgilman> sounds good, thanks for all the help
[16:14] <lion4407> nevermind
[16:14] <Pici> fwiw, on my 14.04 install here it says to use do-release-upgrade on my shell's motd.
[16:14] <lion4407> im getting the error again lol
[16:14] <jrgilman> Pici: I must've just misread somehow
[16:14] <de-facto> nicomachus ducasse thanks i will look if i still find some of those: as i never used any amd, radeon driver means radeonhd or which one did you mean?
[16:14] <jrgilman> Pici: not sure how I came up with that command
[16:15] <ducasse> de-facto: just 'radeon', afaik.
[16:15] <ShayBox> hiding join/leave messages, i just thought about doing that
[16:15] <nacc> jrgilman: yeah, i believe nothing should refer to dist-upgrade for upgrading releases anymore. So ... PEBKAC :) but glad you've got path forward now
[16:16] <nicomachus> de-facto: yea just radeon. it's the open source driver. comparable to the nouveau driver for Nvidia cards, but a bit more stable imo
[16:16] <jrgilman> yup
[16:16] <jrgilman> nacc: 99.9% of the time its PEBKAC haha
[16:16] <de-facto> nicomachus so the newer amdgpu is still too unstable yet?
[16:16] <ShayBox> i dont have many issues with drives, except on windows.... i just need performance
[16:17] <nicomachus> de-facto: haven't tried it, actually.
[16:18] <ducasse> de-facto: not tried, but it only works for certain models, and there is also amdgpu-pro. for stability, i'd go with an older card + radeon.
[16:18] <de-facto> ok thanks
[16:19] <OerHeks> forget the pro, that is just a drm binairy blob on top of the amdGPU
[16:22] <ShayBox> im only here to help people with problems i know how to fix... but nobody is questioning...
[16:23] <dem0> i ran apt full-upgrade and now after reboot when i try to save a text file i get /usr/bin/pkexec has failed..
[16:26] <EriC^^> dem0: did the upgrade run fully?
[16:27] <lol768> Hi there, trying to get a USB->3.5mm audio device to work with my machine running 16.04
[16:28] <lol768> device appears in aplay -L, I'm in the audio group, sound appears to play .. but nothing happens
[16:28] <elias_a> lol768: Does the device work in other setups? Cable tested?
[16:29] <lol768> ho
[16:29] <lol768> * good question
[16:29] <ShayBox> does your computer not have a 3.5mm?
[16:29] <dem0> EriC^^ yes, it seems to be something to do with the specific folder the files lie in because elsewhere they work
[16:29] <lol768> ShayBox: sadly not
[16:29] <dem0> something to do with dropbox probably
[16:29] <lol768> okay, so it works on my Ubuntu 14.04 desktop
[16:29] <EriC^^> aha
[16:29] <lol768> so we know the hardware is fine
[16:29] <jhasse> Hi! I've installed AMDGPU-Pro on Ubuntu 16.04. Is it safe to update to 16.10? Will AMDGPU-Pro still work?
[16:30] <ShayBox> jhasse, probbably, you might have to install drivers, but it will most likely work, try booting a live cd and test
[16:30] <jhasse> ShayBox, actually I want to upgrade my current system (which has amdgpu-pro installed)
[16:31] <ShayBox> can you upgrade LTS to eol? never knew that...
[16:31] <jhasse> ShayBox, yes :) But I'm scared because of the driver ...
[16:31] <ducasse> jhasse: i would wait for amd to release drivers that are tested with 16.10, different kernel/x versions.
[16:32] <jhasse> ducasse, okay, will do. Thanks :)
[16:32] <vacho> how do I make my web server create files with owner ubuntu:www-data instead of www-data:www-data
[16:33] <Virtual_Boy> Guys I see that you are discussing AMD drivers, can you clarify is there a driver for AMD Radeon HD6870 or I have to stick with the Open Source? Ubbuntu 16.04
[16:33] <ShayBox> vacho, why would you want that?
[16:34] <vacho> ShayBox: because I am running some terminal scripts as user "ubuntu" and it tries to write to those files but fails, since it's not an owner
[16:34] <ShayBox> ah
[16:34] <jhasse> Virtual_Boy, you mean a proprietary driver from AMD?
[16:34] <lol768> elias_a: any other ideas? :P
[16:34] <ShayBox> run the scripts as root? thats what i'd do
[16:34] <ShayBox> sudo*
[16:34] <jhasse> vacho, I would rather add "ubuntu" to the www-data group
[16:35] <vacho> jhasse: if that is the best/most secure way, I will
[16:35] <chudak> anybody can help with systemd-analyze troubleshooting ? e.g. "Bootup is not yet finished. Please try again later." error
[16:35] <lol768> ALSA and Pulse are two of my least favourite components of most distros..
[16:36] <tomnick> quit
[16:36] <nacc> chudak: unmodified ubuntu? or do you have a systemd unit youv'e added?
[16:37] <vacho> ShayBox: any ideas..?
[16:37] <Virtual_Boy> jhasse - yes I am referring proprietary driver :)
[16:37] <chudak> nacc  I have no clue how to answer this :)  I guess unmodified
[16:37] <nacc> chudak: ok, probably so :)
[16:38] <ducasse> vacho: do what jhasse suggested
[16:38] <nacc> chudak: is bootup finished? i assume so because you're able to run systemd-analyze
[16:38] <vacho> ducasse: that didn't work..still getting permission error
[16:38] <ducasse> vacho: did you log out and back in?
[16:38] <niytro> hi all, i've done a full disk encryption install of 16.10, generated a 512bit keyfile on a USB key and added it to LUKS keys. I just don't know what to edit now so at boot it looks for and uses this key if anyone could help
[16:38] <ShayBox> vachoo, sudo visudo and add ubuntu to the sudo line? thats what i'd do it
[16:38] <vacho> ducasse, ShayBox: http://pastie.org/10946962
[16:38] <chudak> nacc - yes its done the only issue is  "Bootup is not yet finished. Please try again later." error
[16:38] <jhasse> Virtual_Boy, afaik they are available for the HD6870, yes. Why wouldn't they?
[16:39] <vacho> ducasse: no, let me try.
[16:39] <nacc> vacho: you didn't logout and log back in
[16:39] <nacc> vacho: that's necessary for group changes
[16:39] <vacho> nacc: I tried logging out/in ... still same error as pasted in pastie.org
[16:39] <OerHeks> Virtual_Boy, no, use the open driver, fglrx is over, EOL
[16:40] <vacho> http://pastie.org/10946965
[16:40] <nacc> vacho: can you paste `groups` as the ubuntu user?
[16:40] <shubhnik> guys,what is PPA,i just downloaded new hexchat and they said download PPA like something for latest release
[16:40] <nacc> vacho: are you trying to write to that file?
[16:40] <nacc> vacho: it's read-only for the group
[16:40] <vacho> nacc: I am trying to wite to it, since it's a log file.
[16:40] <Virtual_Boy> OerHeks - yep, I have ended with the same conclusion :( But Steam does not start games with the Open Source driver, the game process is actually started, but no game window is spawned...
[16:41] <vacho> nacc: I just noticed that
[16:41] <nacc> vacho: then the permissions on the file are incorrect for htat purpose
[16:41] <ShayBox> shubhnik, google hexchat, goto there website and click install. they will give you the ppa
[16:41] <OerHeks> shubhnik, with a PPA you are on your own, not supported here, current hexchat is fine.
[16:41] <nacc> vacho: should be a simple chmod and then it should work
[16:41] <vacho> nacc: I rather just set the owner to be ubuntu:www-data ?
[16:41] <Wulf> Hello.
[16:41] <nacc> vacho: i do not think that's what i'd do, but it's up to you
[16:41] <Wulf> Why is there no package for mediawiki?
[16:41] <vacho> nacc: I have been doing a "simple chmod" every morning for months... I want to get this fixed for good. My app created a new log file every day
[16:41] <shubhnik> still can't get what actually a PPA is :(
[16:41] <vacho> nacc: I am new to this, so I will go with that you recommend.
[16:42] <bem13> Hey everyone, I've got an issue after upgrading from 16.04 to 16.10. Can someone please help me?
[16:42] <ducasse> !ppa | shubhnik
[16:42] <nacc> vacho: i'm guessing you're not using the right umask maybe for apache?
[16:42] <nacc> vacho: if you want it to be g+w
[16:42] <OerHeks> !info mediawiki
[16:42] <nacc> Wulf: you mean in 16.04?
[16:42] <shubhnik> ducasse:got it!
[16:42] <Wulf> nacc: yes
[16:42] <ShayBox> vacho, just add ubuntu to the access to sudo or make the script run as root not ubuntu
[16:42] <nacc> Wulf: at the time of release, mediawiki didn't support php7
[16:43] <OerHeks> Wulf, indeed, not in 16.04, but in 16.10 it is available
[16:43] <nacc> Wulf: you can file a bug, if you want, to SRU it back (please subscribe me, as nacc on Launchpad), I can look into it
[16:43] <vacho> nacc: Yes I am not using correct umask, can you help me set it correctly?
[16:43] <nacc> Wulf: no guarantees it will happen,t hough
[16:43] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MediaWiki
[16:44] <kbob> 7quit
[16:44] <nacc> Wulf: for packages where i knew there were upstream efforts to be php7 compliant, we tried to update and SRU fixes back, but some were not yet even started earlier this year (afaicr)
[16:45] <Wulf> nacc: From what I saw so far, SRUs happen not often
[16:45] <nacc> Wulf: absolutely untrue
[16:46] <nacc> Wulf: at least without any context, it's FUD :)
[16:46] <ShayBox> vacho, type "sudo visudo" and do this, https://gyazo.com/7d27907ca3c816e774634380ed245542 not the proper way but it will be alot easier and not give issues with apache not being able to read/write files
[16:47] <Wulf> nacc: I believe I tried to find a way to get new version of msktutil into xenial
[16:47] <vacho> ShayBox: I will do that thank you! what makes it not be the proper way?
[16:47] <Wulf> nacc: okay, I did not check if or how many other packages get an update
[16:48] <nacc> Wulf: new versions are not generally SRU'd
[16:48] <ShayBox> because adding users to the sudo group that way is not proper, your supposed to add the user to the "sudo" group not add it to the file, but this wont make issues
[16:48] <nacc> Wulf: SRUs are for bugfixes, or in a case like this, *possibly*, where a package was removed because it couldnt' have worked at the time
[16:49] <nacc> Wulf: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[16:50] <Wulf> nacc: so, there is a package in xenial (msktutil) which is not very useful in that state. Ubuntu won't update it in LTS until 18.04. So I either have to use my own package or move to yakkety.
[16:51] <nacc> Wulf: what is wrong with it, where's the bug you filed?
[16:51] <Wulf> nacc: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/msktutil/+bug/1568714
[16:51] <nacc> Wulf: it's *not* true that there wont' be updates, you just need to explain it in a bug, typically -- mkstutil is in universe as well, so it's community maintained, maybe not actively
[16:51] <nacc> Wulf: let me look
[16:52] <nacc> Wulf: also, mediawiki was removed from *debian* at the time of 16.04, so it's possible that an SRU won't be accepted
[16:52] <grogoreo> hi
[16:53] <nacc> Wulf: i'll try and provide a PPA build, etc. in the bug -- give me until EOD. If successfully tested, will submit for SRU
[16:53] <nacc> Wulf: i assume that the lateste version (1.0~rc2-1) works?
[16:54] <grogoreo> I've just installed two 4TB HDDs into system, UEFI RAID 1, and trying to install 16.10. Installer sees volume /dev/mapper/... but only as 1.8TB and not 4TB. Any ideas why?
[16:54] <Wulf> nacc: I've got my own build in my own repo
[16:54] <Wulf> nacc: yes, it works
[16:55] <nacc> Wulf: that doesn't help fix the repo, and also no one is saying anyting in the bug about proper testing, etc.
[16:56] <docmur> I'm trying to set the password complixity on a server I have running Ubuntu 16.04, to 16 characters, mix of lower case, upper case, numbers and different characters, I tried this in /etc/pam.d/common_password password        [success=1 default=ignore]      pam_unix.so obscure sha512 try_first_pass retry=3 minlength=16 lcredit=2 ucredit=2 dcredit=2 ocredit=2 difok=4 but I just logged out and loggin in and
[16:56] <docmur> was about to set a 8 character password on my server
[16:56] <Wulf> nacc: now that I reread the case, maybe I gave up too early on it
[16:58] <ShayBox> so, i need some input on how stupid i am, i disabled all sudo passwords so i dont have to type a password and disabled all polkit passwords, so password prompts dont show up... dumb?
[17:01] <ShayBox> guess im not stupid :|
[17:05] <CtrlC> what sever resources do you think is need to have ten virtual systems on it with ubuntu installed that need to run a few programs with little resources needed? Like an apache and something else with 50MB ram needed.
[17:05] <CtrlC> I need to network all this together.
[17:06] <ShayBox> why use VM's? just install them on the same 1 to two machines?
[17:06] <dixson_> Hello, I have a kernel upgrade to 4.4.0-45 in "Ubuntu 14.04" is normal?
[17:06] <elquetal> Happy 12 birthday Ubuntu!
[17:07] <CtrlC> ShayBox, I don't quiet understand your solution.
[17:07] <ShayBox> why install the programs in VM's? just put them straight on the machine
[17:07] <joescript> hey ubuntu, question does anyone feel that ubuntu is getting lockdown?
[17:07] <ioria> dixson_, if you installed the xenial HWE, yes
[17:07] <Wulf> CtrlC: virtualization doesn't have a lot of overhead, so sum up the requirements of each vm and add maybe 20% on top?
[17:08] <CtrlC> ShayBox, I need them to each be ran through a VPN.
[17:08] <ShayBox> ah
[17:08] <dixson_> ioria, I have not installed anything
[17:08] <EriC^^> joescript: locked down?
[17:08] <CtrlC> Wulf, so for example 4 GB of ram should be enough. right?
[17:08] <joescript> ?? i mean they are working MS for the bash impletation
[17:08] <joescript> yea
[17:08] <Wulf> CtrlC: VPN is no valid reason for using VMs.
[17:08] <ioria> dixson_,   dpkg -l linux-image-generic-lts-xenial
[17:08] <ThePhoenix47> joescript: Error: There is no command "i mean they are working ms for the bash impletation".
[17:09] <CtrlC> Wulf, Do you have any idea to fix the problem without VPN?
[17:09] <Wulf> CtrlC: could be. What are you doing on the VMs?
[17:09] <nacc> !ot | joescript
[17:09] <CtrlC> I mean VM.
[17:09] <Wulf> CtrlC: I don't understand your problem
[17:09] <joescript> oh sorry
[17:09] <CtrlC> Wulf, I need to run each instance of the program through a different VPN connection.
[17:09] <ShayBox> what program?
[17:09] <MrSassyPants> so I freshly bought Tabletop Simulator on Steam. Problem is now that many mods don't work because everyone and their dog has disabled sslv3, and I don't know where or what to disable ubuntu / Tabletop Simulator from attempting sslv3 (shouldn't it autonegiotate to sslv2 anyways?)
[17:10] <CtrlC> ShayBox, It's something written by ourselves.
[17:10] <ShayBox> ah
[17:10] <Wulf> CtrlC: what does "run through VPN connection" mean?
[17:10] <joescript> I have a question tho, does this channel support other flavors?
[17:10] <joescript> bc in the mate I am trying to fix my Dpi on my high reslo screen
[17:11] <CtrlC> Wulf, Fire up a VPN, run the program.
[17:11] <Wulf> CtrlC: and the program connects somewhere through your VPN?
[17:11] <ShayBox> well you could use a machine, install unRAID or VMWare Server, setup one instance, then copy that 10 or so times to get 10, then configure each with diffrent VPN cred's but someone else might have a smarter idee xD
[17:11] <k1l> joescript: it supports all official flavors. but the specialists in the flavors channel might now better on details
[17:11] <Wulf> CtrlC: or, you mentioned apache, someone else connects through the VPN to the program?
[17:11] <joescript> the dpi is too small and when I add 180 in the advance option it looks out of place
[17:12] <CtrlC> Wulf, well, when the VPN is on, it'll use it's IP connecting to outside world.
[17:12] <joescript> ok
[17:12] <CtrlC> Wulf, I might need to have a small program on apache to connect to my program using an API.
[17:12] <Wulf> CtrlC: that depends on your routing setup
[17:12] <ShayBox> CtrlC just get a machine with 10 or so IP's
[17:12] <joescript> anyone know where i can get a ubuntu core iso with uefi support?
[17:13] <ShayBox> joescript, ubuntu.com xD
[17:13] <CtrlC> ShayBox, I need them to be VPN ips. And I might change VPNs like each day.
[17:13] <Wulf> CtrlC: it's easy to run 10 VPNs on one machine. And it's possible (yet not as easy) to configure the routing in a way that e.g. certain users on the system always use a specific VPN
[17:13] <niytro> hi all, i've done a full disk encryption install of 16.10, generated a 512bit keyfile on a USB key and added it to LUKS keys. I just don't know what to edit now so at boot it looks for and uses this key if anyone could help
[17:13] <joescript> I will check again them
[17:14] <joescript> then
[17:15] <ShayBox> depending on how illegal this is, you could use like 10 digital ocean droplets or similar service, but thats really up to you, thatd probbably be easier to setup
[17:17] <Wulf> CtrlC: if you want to save on resources, you could install e.g. a single nginx server and 10 backend processes (e.g. php-fpm), each running with a different UID. Setup a separate routing table for each VPN (google "lartc") and use iptables' mangle table to map users to VPNs (also lartc, and check iptables "owner" extension)
[17:17] <Wulf> CtrlC: then perhaps 256 MB ram might be more than enough
[17:17] <nacc> Wulf: working on the backport of the fix now (not trivial since upstream jsut changed versions and it's rather different code now)
[17:18] <Wulf> nacc: I included a patch in the ticket. So I think either patch the xenial version or backport yakkety version (already fixed)
[17:18] <Wulf> nacc: the upstream author changed between the xenial and yakkety versions
[17:18] <Elitechurro> Hey, I am running Ubuntu 16.10 and am trying to install/run Steam. But it isn't working. It won't launch. When I try to launch it, I get this error from the command line: http://dumptext.com/AveyxbRu
[17:18] <nacc> Wulf: that patch is not complete (it doesn't have attribution, or an explanation, afaict)
[17:19] <Elitechurro> Sorry., here it is as the paste.ubuntu http://paste.ubuntu.com/23354730/
[17:19] <Wulf> nacc: attribution means? My name?
[17:20] <nacc> Elitechurro: using the partner ubuntu repo version?
[17:20] <nacc> Wulf: where the fix comes from, upstream author, if possible, etc.
[17:20] <nacc> Wulf: as with any other source patch for a debian or ubuntu pacakge
[17:20] <Elitechurro> nacc: I have tried both. I tried it straight from the steam website and from the ubuntu repo version
[17:20] <nacc> Elitechurro: ok, only the latter is supported here
[17:21] <nacc> Elitechurro: also, I believe there might be issues with going back & forth like that (incompatibility of libs)
[17:21] <nacc> Elitechurro: i would try removing (backing up) your ~/.steam directory and relaunching steam
[17:21] <moongazer> My webcam is not working
[17:21] <moongazer> Help
[17:22] <Elitechurro> nacc: that could be why then. I am going to try to fully remove steam and just reinstall the repo version
[17:22] <CtrlC> Wulf, hmm. Can't two users connect at the same time with no extra config using something a network manager?
[17:23] <Wulf> nacc: wasn't aware of that
[17:23] <nacc> Elitechurro: that would be my best guess right now; note that ~/.steam is not controlled by the pacakge, so i'd suggest still backing it up manually (as removing steam won't do anyting to it)
[17:24] <Wulf> nacc: as for explanation, man ldap_get_option /LDAP_OPT_X_SASL_SSF. "outvalue must be a ber_len_t *". This is 8 byte on my system while sasl_ssf_t has 4 bytes. And I wrote the patch myself
[17:24] <Elitechurro> nacc: I shouldnt need to back it up though if I haven't gotten it running at all, would I? I could just delete it?
[17:25] <nacc> Wulf: did upstream just fully rewrite the code?
[17:25] <nacc> Elitechurro: true, if you dont' care about it, just delete; was mostly a sanity check -- i'd back it up, see if steam works as you want, then delete it :)
[17:25] <Wulf> CtrlC: users? NetworkManager? Are you talking about a server or a desktop system?
[17:26] <CtrlC> Wulf, server. But can't we still use users and something like wicd?
[17:26] <Wulf> nacc: at least the broken code
[17:26] <Wulf> CtrlC: good luck with that
[17:26] <CtrlC> Wulf, why's that so?
[17:26] <Wulf> CtrlC: sure, nothing keeps you from using wicd or nm on a server
[17:26] <Wulf> CtrlC: but I just wouldn't do it
[17:26] <CtrlC> why?
[17:27] <Wulf> CtrlC: because these tools cause trouble
[17:27] <CtrlC> alright. thanks.
[17:27] <Elitechurro> nacc: It was a compatibility issue. I had to purge and autoremove steam and steam-client and steam-launcher, then just install steam. Thanks for the help.
[17:27] <Wulf> CtrlC: which is ok if the user can fix it. But on a server I like a static and simpler setup
[17:27] <nacc> Wulf: https://sourceforge.net/p/msktutil/code/ci/19066f9777a19b6fda8c62e7774b4bb2157eb32a/ why isn't that the fix?
[17:27] <nacc> Elitechurro: np, glad it work
[17:27] <nacc> *worked
[17:27] <CtrlC> Wulf, right. Thank you.
[17:28] <nacc> Wulf: i would always prefer to fix bugs the same way as upstream, if at all possible
[17:29] <Wulf> nacc: I'm sure it also fixes the bug. But I wouldn't call it *the* fix.
[17:29] <Wulf> nacc: it removes a whole feature
[17:30] <nacc> Wulf: i mean, the version in 16.04 has buggy ldaps support (per upstream), so why keep it?
[17:31] <MrSassyPants> I need to configure the SSL options of an SDL-based program that would open an SSL URL
[17:31] <MrSassyPants> How would I do that?
[17:31] <Wulf> nacc: I wouldn't mind having this commit in 16.04, or the package from 16.10. Just not sure what's easier to get into 16.04: a tiny obvious patch for the problem, or a bigger change
[17:31] <vlt> Hello. On a machine with Ubuntu 12.04 LTS (kernel 3.2.0) there’s a USB drive connected (already since booting). It is listed by `lsusb` but doesn’t appear as /dev/sd? device. How can I trigger what happens when I pulled and replugged it now?
[17:31] <nacc> Wulf: yes, it's not immediately obvious to me either; there are *no* issues with just the simple patch you provided and ldaps?
[17:32] <moongazer> Can someone help me with my webcam?
[17:32] <Wulf> nacc: I didn't test it with ldaps, it's not being used here
[17:33] <ioria> vlt, you can check in dmesg | tail
[17:33] <nacc> Wulf: let me talk to some other developers about this, one sec
[17:34] <vlt> ioria: What am I looking for?
[17:34] <ioria> vlt,   the tail ... SCSI attached ... and stuff
[17:35] <Wulf> nacc: the variable ssf is only used within the block in the patch, and all it is used for is printing debug info. So what could possible go wrong?
[17:36] <ioria> vlt,   something like  [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk
[17:36] <nacc> Wulf: i'm seeing if it would be preferred to switch to an actually maintained version
[17:36] <vlt> ioria: If I would plug it in now while the system is already running it would be usable. `blkid` would list its partitions and I could mount the file system(s).
[17:36] <nacc> Wulf: i hadn't looked that closesly at hte patch -- and again, since the patch had *no* description or commentary, I have to go look at source to determine if it's appropriate :)
[17:36] <vlt> ioria: But no: it doesn’t appear as sda or sdb
[17:37] <nacc> Wulf: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Patches
[17:37] <ducasse> !details | moongazer
[17:37] <ioria> vlt,   you can unplug, replug and paste dmesg | tail
[17:38] <moongazer> ducasse, when I use cheese webcam booth, it says no device found
[17:38] <ioria> vlt,   also check your fstab
[17:38] <vlt> ioria: My fstab?!?
[17:38] <ioria> vlt,   /etc/fstab
[17:39] <vlt> ioria: I know I could pull and replug. But I’m not there. That’s why I asked how to trigger the processes that happened if I did it.
[17:39] <vlt> ioria: What do you expect to fond in /etc/fstab? I want to tell the kernel to read that device it lists in lsusb’s output.
[17:39] <vlt> *find
[17:40] <ioria> vlt,    you can do it, if you want, editing fstab
[17:40] <ducasse> moongazer: i would think maybe you need a driver or firmware, but i know *nothing* about webcams. ask again now and then.
[17:41] <moongazer> ducasse, Ok
[17:41] <moongazer> I hope somebody sees it
[17:41] <vlt> ioria: Can you give an example of something you’d put to fstab to tell the kernel to activate a usb drive connected to the usb port? I never heard that fstab does things like that.
[17:42] <vlt> I thought fstab is only for mouting file systems.
[17:42] <vlt> *mounting, even
[17:42] <theShirbiny> moongazer, lsmod | grep uvcvideo
[17:42] <ioria> vlt,    what you mean with 'activate' ?
[17:43] <ducasse> moongazer: if you can pastebin the output from dmesg, i can take a look, though.
[17:44] <theShirbiny> vlt, look up automounts, you can do it using autofs or systemd.automount
[17:48] <moongazer> ducasse, http://pastebin.com/zKmDfbtW
[17:48] <moongazer> theShirbiny, it didn't work
[17:48] <theShirbiny> no output?
[17:48] <moongazer> theShirbiny, nope
[17:48] <theShirbiny> then try modprobe uvcvideo
[17:49] <bleeh1hh> Hello everyone. I have an issue with this line of code.......{ if [[ "$ip" =~ ^[0-9].\.[0-9].\.[0-9].\.[0-9\ ].$ ]]; } Its a regex evaluator for an ip adress. For example 101.192.1.1(there can be spaces after the ip) Can someone tell me if im doing something wrong.It doesnt seem to work.thank you.
[17:49] <moongazer> theShirbiny, modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'uvcvideo': Operation not permitted, should I try with sudo?
[17:49] <moongazer> kamisama?!
[17:49] <moongazer> Lol
[17:50] <theShirbiny> yes
[17:50] <geirha> bleeh1hh: [0-9].\.  matches a digit followed by any character, followed by a .   so that will not match the 101.
[17:50] <nacc> bleeh1hh: in bash?
[17:50] <nacc> bleeh1hh: did you mean to be using + instead of . for several of those regex substrings?
[17:50] <bleeh1hh> Yeah in bas.
[17:50] <kamisama> Yes , moongazer
[17:51] <bleeh1hh> bash*. Oh right "." means 0 or 1 right? And + means 1 or more?
[17:51] <nacc> bleeh1hh: your regex is incorrect as geirha points out, and you might want to ask in #bash (although you should reread whatever guide you used for regexs, as it seems quite wrong right now
[17:51] <nacc> bleeh1hh: '.' means any character
[17:51] <ioria> bleeh1hh, for ip i use [0-9]\{1,3\}\.[0-9]\{1,3\}\.[0-9]\{1,3\}\.[0-9]\{1,3\}
[17:51] <nacc> bleeh1hh: '?' means 0 or 1 (iirc)
[17:51] <theShirbiny> no
[17:52] <bleeh1hh> I should go back and work on reegex. i seem to have gotten it all mixed up.
[17:52] <geirha> just change the \{ \} to { } and that will work in bash
[17:52] <bleeh1hh> Ioria what about spaces after the ip? do we need to include that too in the regex?
[17:52] <moongazer> kamisama, You must be an anime fan
[17:52] <bleeh1hh> Alright.I shall have a look.Thanks a lot everyone.
[17:53] <moongazer> theShirbiny, no output again
[17:53] <geirha> re='^[0-9]{1,3}\.[0-9]{1,3}\.[0-9]{1,3}\.[0-9]{1,3} *$'; if [[ $ip =~ $re ]]; then
[17:53] <ioria> bleeh1hh, the right place is #bash, i think depends from where you're getting the ip ... (a file, command output...)
[17:53] <theShirbiny> moongazer, try launching cheese or webcam app
[17:53] <geirha> that will of course also match hollywood ips
[17:54] <moongazer> theShirbiny, No output
[17:54] <shubhnik>  when i ran jhbuild sanitycheck ,it says that these things are not found :(
[17:54] <shubhnik>  http://pastebin.com/CkLj506R   <----- check this terminal output
[17:54] <bleeh1hh> ok. I think ill take in what you guys have said for now. thanks
[17:55] <naseemr> naseemr
[17:55] <shubhnik> guys please help me in understanding what these missing things asre and what to do to fix it,thanks :)
[17:55] <theShirbiny> moongazer, what do you mean by no output? you're not getting any errors opening cheese?
[17:55] <nacc> shubhnik: what is jhbuild?
[17:56] <nacc> shubhnik: presumably you need to install some dependencies based upon that output
[17:56] <vlt> ioria: I need the stuff to happen that happens when I plug the drive into the running system: a scsi device apears in dmesg and I get a new device /dev/sdb
[17:56] <shubhnik> nacc:have u look that terminal output?
[17:56] <vlt> theShirbiny: No, I don’t need to mount anything. I want the device to appear as /dev/sdb
[17:57] <nacc> shubhnik: yes
[17:57] <shubhnik> what is libtool?
[17:57] <theShirbiny> vlt, why?
[17:57] <ioria> vlt,   maybe better use UUID in fstab
[17:57] <shubhnik> libtool macros...
[17:57] <ioria> vlt,  you can't be sure it will always be sdb
[17:58] <ioria> vlt,  run blkid and make a new fstab line
[17:58] <nacc> !info libtool | shubhnik
[17:58] <moongazer> theShirbiny, no
[17:58] <moongazer> theShirbiny, it says no webcam foudn
[17:58] <moongazer> *found
[17:58] <theShirbiny> can you go to your terminal and type cheese?
[17:59] <shubhnik> nacc:can you please tell me the commands to intall that missing things
[17:59] <nacc> shubhnik: probably `apt install <name>`
[18:02] <PCatinean> Does anyone know why chromium has me login every single time I restart?
[18:03] <shubhnik> nacc: apt install <name> or apt-get install <name>
[18:03] <shubhnik> ?
[18:03] <ZoderUck> what is a good website performance test tool. the download / connect time responsetime
[18:03] <nacc> shubhnik: `apt` is preferred in modern ubuntu
[18:05] <soap_> hey
[18:09] <moongazer> theShirbiny, I did it and it says no device found: http://pastebin.com/NzqYggWw
[18:09] <vlt> ioria: Excuse me? What are you talking about? Before I can do something with file systems I first need a device.
[18:09] <admiralsenn> anyone here use snmp traps on ubuntu? I have a problem getting snmptrapd to run
[18:09] <shubhnik> nacc:what will this command do--> sudo apt update
[18:09] <vlt> theShirbiny: Because I want to use the block device that is connected to the usb port.
[18:10] <itay2> Oerheks here?
[18:10] <vlt> ioria: /dev/sdb doesn’t exist yet.
[18:10] <ducasse> vlt: try this - https://www.debuntu.org/how-to-rescan-a-scsi-bus-without-rebooting/
[18:10] <nnarol> Hi guys! Something incredibly stupid happened to me just now! How is this even possible? I have Zorin OS on my main HDD. I also have an external HDD with Ubuntu. I was playing around with the external one because at first it wasn't recognized.
[18:10] <vlt> ducasse: Thank you!
[18:11] <nnarol> At one point, the pc ignored the external one and booted into my main HDD into Zorin...
[18:12] <nnarol> ... but I heard the Ubuntu startup sound. I was like: meh, surely something went wrong and Zorin has it stored somewhere...
[18:12] <ducasse> vlt: if usb, that will probably be different, i didn't catch that. try 'udevadm trigger'
[18:12] <nnarol> ... but the user interface was a mix between Zorin and Ubuntu!!!
[18:13] <ducasse> moongazer: is this a built-in webcam? if so, which make and model is your pc?
[18:14] <nnarol> http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_from_2016-10-20_20_07_37-lEnclqTa.png
[18:14] <nacc> !manual | shubhnik
[18:14] <itay2> Ok.. so continuing from all my problems yesterday and today, i have this motherboard http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128512 i cant disable rst since there is no such option, what to do?
[18:15] <nnarol> Did it really load the theme from a foreign file system?
[18:16] <itay2> Sorry i meant that i cant install ubuntu or linux mint or debian or fedora
[18:17] <itay2> Im now looking at the bios screen
[18:17] <itay2> What do i need to do next?
[18:19] <nacc> itay2: what occurs when you try to install?
[18:19] <itay2> Anyone brave enough to tackle my problem?
[18:20] <itay2> Nacc in ubuntu and linux mint : login screen and cant login. In debian : cant find hard drive. In fedora : mouse freezing
[18:20] <nacc> itay2: so in all those cases, it *did* install?
[18:21] <nacc> itay2: or do you mean the installer showed all those issues
[18:21] <nacc> itay2: and given the topic, let's just focus on ubuntu
[18:21] <moongazer> ducasse, http://pastebin.com/LhYxWTiE
[18:22] <itay2> Nope i couldnt even install. Although *fedora* did install itself right into the bios in some sort of sleep mode. I almost panicked when i turned off the power and turner back on and still saw fedora
[18:22] <nacc> itay2: so when do you get a login screen? i assumed you were using the live usb?
[18:23] <AlvaraMolino> .... UNIR-JOIN #wikimedia-ayuda ....
[18:24] <itay2> Nacc when i press "install ubuntu" in the black screen with options i get login screen
[18:24] <nacc> itay2: i haven't installed ubuntu in a while, but that doesn't seem right
[18:25] <itay2> Nacc indeed it doesnt. This is a big problem. Im looking for someone expert...
[18:25] <OerHeks> itay2, you were here before, nobody have ever experienced that
[18:25] <nacc> itay2: have you verified your installation media? what version of ubuntu?
[18:25] <OerHeks> so make a photo, or it didn't happen.
[18:26] <itay2> I can upload a youtube video if u want
[18:26] <itay2> Lol
[18:26] <itay2> But its a hussle to do it
[18:27] <itay2> Oerheks this is my motherboard http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128512
[18:27] <nacc> itay2: i don't see any way for the installer to do what you're saying it does from the official media, nor have I ever seen that happen or heard of anyone else saying that happens.
[18:27] <nacc> itay2: i believe your motherboard is supported just fine by some cursory googling
[18:28] <itay2> nacc yes it does proof : http://askubuntu.com/questions/103896/live-cd-asks-for-a-username-and-password/108812
[18:28] <nacc> itay2: 10.04.3 is not at all current
[18:29] <itay2> Nacc look at the bottom
[18:29] <sacarde> hi
[18:30] <nacc> itay2: i don't see any evidence of it happening currently
[18:30] <itay2> Oerheks you advised earlier to boot in uefi mode and to disable intel rst. Turns out there is no such an option
[18:30] <nacc> itay2: the one reporter said that they miswrote the USB the first time, afiact, for 16.04.1
[18:30] <itay2> Nacc must i upload a video?
[18:31] <ducasse> itay2: can you try installing from the server image or the 'alternate' lubuntu image?
[18:31] <elisa87> please have a look http://askubuntu.com/questions/839770/getting-the-desirable-output-with-gawk-awk
[18:31] <vlt> ducasse: hmmm … unfortunately `udevadm trigger` didn’t do anything noticable. Then I echo’d "- - -" to /sys/class/scsi... but that reread only sda which was already present before.
[18:31] <OerHeks> itay2, ' and to disable intel rst.' never mentioned that. you did. now i am certain something is fishy here
[18:31] <nacc> elisa87: there must be a better channel to get awk help :)
[18:31] <itay2> Im really considered fairly good computer user by any standards. And im not making stuff up
[18:31] <ducasse> vlt: does lsusb see the device?
[18:31] <vlt> ducasse: Yes, of course.
[18:32]  * OerHeks facepalms
[18:32] <vlt> ducasse: Any other idea? Something I could modprobe? What happens when I plug in the device?
[18:32] <itay2> Oerheks you gave earlier a link to uefi ubuntu install guide
[18:32] <AlvaraMolino> .... UNIR-JOIN #wikimedia-ayuda ....
[18:32] <nacc> elisa87: e.g., #awk ?
[18:32] <itay2> Oerheks and in the guide it says to disable intel rst
[18:32] <ducasse> vlt: i know there are ways to turn off and on power to a specific usb device, but don't remember the details. try googling 'ubuntu powercycle usb device' or similar.
[18:34] <itay2> Ducasse i only installed the desktop 16.04.1 version
[18:34] <vlt> ducasse: Thanks.
[18:35] <moongazer> ducasse, so
[18:35] <itay2> Must i upload a youtube video???
[18:36] <ducasse> itay2: yes, but i'm suggesting to try one of those images to see if the base install works ok, and then work on getting the gui working.
[18:36] <Piano> Hey, does anybody here have some knowledge about wine? I'm getting an issue when running a .exe file, and I've been trying to find some help. Yes, I know that I should "use the wine channel", but like nobody is active on there for the past two days now.
[18:37] <Piano> http://pastebin.ca/3730824 is the log from terminal, and I'm using ubuntu 12.04.
[18:37] <N3X15> Anyone happen to know if there's a video player for Ubuntu that works with GL acceleration disabled?
[18:37] <nacc> itay2: did you verify your install media?
[18:38] <nicomachus> Piano: if it has to do with Steam/games, I highly suggest using PlayOnLinux to set up the wine prefix. the #playonlinux channel is also much more active.
[18:38] <itay2> Ducasse err.. seems like a project..but i can do it if it helps to diagnose. Ive never imagined it would be so difficult to install linux!!!!!!!
[18:38] <Piano> I've never heard of playonlinux, thanks
[18:38] <Piano> i'll check that out
[18:39] <nacc> itay2: i'll reiterate. I've never heard of anyone having the experience you are. So I am unable to help debug it without more evidence and clearer details (which would come from screen grabs or a video, I guess)
[18:39] <ducasse> moongazer: try this: 'sudo rmmod uvcvideo && sudo modprobe uvcvideo'
[18:39] <ducasse> moongazer: if that goes ok, do 'dmesg | tail | nc termbin.com 9999' and post the link.
[18:40] <itay2> Nacc Ok. I will make youtube video then
[18:41] <itay2> There is another problem.. in my samsung galaxy s5 there is limitation for 5minutes video
[18:41] <itay2> So you guys can say ive faked it
[18:41] <ducasse> nacc: what about installing from a text-mode installer to see if that works ok, and then install ubuntu-desktop?
[18:42] <nacc> itay2: just show the 'click on install goes to a login prompt' bit
[18:42] <nacc> ducasse: also should work, you're right
[18:42] <itay2> Ok nacc
[18:42] <tispokes> hi
[18:42] <mjayk> hay
[18:43] <root__> Hi, fluxbox doesn't want to start any more from user, only from root, These are the  Xorg.0.log file https://paste.ubuntu.com/23355064/, there is also one .old file if you will need it I will upload it also...
[18:44] <Nahiyan> Hey just a quick question, do you think an ubuntu $5 digitalocean VPS can handle a small minecraft server?
[18:44] <Nahiyan> tiny >5 players
[18:44] <tispokes> may you guys can help me. so simple problem with "cut" on console. the auto completion is wrong. i wantto use it like 'cut -d";" --output-delimiter=" " blabla'
[18:44] <tispokes> works fine
[18:45] <tispokes> if i use auto completion cut ... --ou TAB -> it completes it to --ouput-delimiter= W/O the T
[18:45] <nacc> tispokes: what version of ubuntu?
[18:45] <ducasse> itay2: did you try all these installs with the same usb stick?
[18:46] <tispokes> man file its with t, if i use the --help its wront in the text...
[18:46] <nacc> itay2: and you continue to ignore my question of if you verified the media?
[18:46] <nacc> itay2: both the iso you burned/loaded and the usb stick itself
[18:46] <tispokes> nacc no ubuntu, server at school
[18:46] <shubhnik> when i install something using 'apt' than where does that software get instaled?
[18:46] <Nahiyan> meh nvm :/
[18:46] <nacc> tispokes: what? this is the ubuntu support channel...
[18:46] <shubhnik> is that in 'apt' folder?
[18:46] <moongazer> ducasse, The first one gave no ouptut
[18:46] <moongazer> output
[18:46] <kyle__>  I upgraded the kernel on my 14.04lts laptop to the 4.0.4 xenial one, and now I have no wifi.
[18:47] <ducasse> moongazer: it shouldn't.
[18:47] <nacc> kyle__: 4.4.0, you mean?
[18:47] <ducasse> Noriega123: you are not using a dm but startx, i guess?
[18:47] <kyle__> nacc: Yes, thank you :) typos!
[18:47] <nacc> shubhnik: the "software" gets installed on the system
[18:47] <kyle__> lsusb sees my wifi adapters (both internal and usb), but doesn't load the drivers.  I tried loading them on my own, no joy.
[18:47] <sacarde> during minimal installation, I view this question: http://sacarde.altervista.org/np/landscape1.jpg
[18:47] <nacc> shubhnik: it depends on what package it is as to what gets installed (`dpkg -L <pkgname>` or `apt-file list <pkgname>`)
[18:48] <sacarde> is possible repeat this question ?
[18:48] <tispokes> nacc no problem, still linux :D
[18:48] <moongazer> ducasse, http://termbin.com/cm05
[18:48] <nacc> tispokes: right, but sounds like a bug in whatever linux you are using
[18:48] <nacc> tispokes: irrelevant here
[18:48]  * kyle__ thinks opal is a bit upset....
[18:48] <shubhnik> nacc:like i do sudo apt install libtool,than i need to copy that libtool macros in the path /usr/share/aclocal
[18:48] <opal>  👌  oh youre talking about my quit msg  😂
[18:48] <opal>  👌  took me a second  😂
[18:48] <shubhnik> than how do i find libtool,after apt install libtool
[18:48] <tispokes> nacc right, no, the question is, is there a possibility to change the text which appears with --help?
[18:49] <nacc> tispokes: yes, file a bug with the distribution
[18:49] <kyle__> opal: yeah... comes across as a bit angry....
[18:49] <opal>  👌  lol  😂
[18:49] <opal>  👌  its my default  😂
[18:49] <ducasse> moongazer: ok, try cheese now, the driver should be loaded.
[18:49] <nacc> shubhnik: libtool puts them there by default
[18:49] <nacc> shubhnik: you can see that with the commands I *just* sent you (dpkg -L or apt-file list)
[18:50] <shubhnik> nacc:sorry,i didnt understand that dpkg -L or apt-file list commands
[18:50] <shubhnik> what are they and what they do?
[18:50] <nacc> shubhnik: what didn't you understand
[18:50] <moongazer> ducasse, No device found
[18:51] <tispokes> nacc thx
[18:51] <nacc> shubhnik: read `man dpkg` or `man apt-file` ... `dpkg -L <pkg>` lists files from a package; `apt-file list <pkg>` does the same but for the packages from the archive (so doesn't need to be installed)
[18:51] <itay2> Ducasse yes, nacc yes ive verified
[18:52] <nacc> shubhnik: i feel like you may have ignored my prior faq about readin ghte ubuntu manual; you seem to not know about some of the more basic bits of Ubuntu and might want to review the manual for that
[18:52] <itay2> Sorry i did not verify. Only the file. Not the burn
[18:52] <ducasse> moongazer: then we have come to the limit of my knowledge about webcams, i'm afraid. :-( keep asking now and again, you can say that cheese won't find the device even though it looks as if the driver has been loaded. sorry, but i can't help more.
[18:52] <itay2> How can you verify a burn/usb anyways?
[18:52] <nacc> itay2: i believe that's one of the optoins from the installer menu?
[18:53] <verhaag> test!
[18:53] <nacc> sacarde: sorry, what are you asking?
[18:53] <ducasse> verhaag: fail!
[18:53] <FManTropyx> verhaag: success!
[18:53] <itay2> and clearly i think this step is not needed. Its quite evident its not a problem of corruption when i get almost same result in dvd and in usb
[18:53] <kyle__> Anyone?  No wifi after updating to new kernel?
[18:53] <nacc> kyle__: anyting in dmesg?
[18:53] <mjayk> itay2: do they come from the same iso ?
[18:53] <nacc> kyle__: which driver?
[18:54] <nacc> itay2: still waiting on evidence, then :)
[18:54] <itay2> Yep
[18:54] <kyle__> The internal uses a broadcom, the usb a realtek.
[18:54] <mjayk> itay2: so it it could be a bad usb / dvd then, takes 10 secs to check
[18:54] <nacc> kyle__: and both worked with the stock ubuntu kernel you used before? which one was that?
[18:54] <ducasse> itay2: as one of the posts on the link you posted said he got this problem with an incorrectly written image, i think there is a need, yes.
[18:54] <itay2> Nacc.. i think tomorrow. I need to create a youtube accnt
[18:55] <sacarde> nacc , I would like to re-configure this choice: http://sacarde.altervista.org/np/landscape1.jpg
[18:55] <shubhnik> nacc:when i ran dpkg -L flex,than there i a list of paths shown,does that means that fles is present in these paths?
[18:55] <ducasse> itay2: i'm still voting for doing a text-mode install to see if that works ok, and then try installing the desktop to narrow things down.
[18:56] <nacc> shubhnik: yes
[18:56] <itay2> Ok ducasse i will do it and also give evidence to nacc tomorrow
[18:56] <nacc> shubhnik: wait, what?
[18:56] <nacc> shubhnik: that lists the files installed by that package
[18:56] <nacc> shubhnik: installed by / contained in
[18:56] <kyle__> nacc: Yup.  Then I updated the kernel, because it was supposed to be more stable with this hardware (macbook air).
[18:56] <nacc> shubhnik: flex is presumably one of those
[18:57] <itay2> Nacc i will also put your name on the video
[18:57] <itay2> For evidence
[18:58] <nacc> sacarde: `dpkg-reconfigure --priority=low unattended-upgrades` ?
[18:58] <shubhnik> nacc:for eg: this is one of the path printed out '  /usr/share/doc/flex/examples/fastwc/Makefile.gz  ',this means when i sudo apt install flex,than flex intalled examples/fastwc/Makefile.gz?
[18:58] <nacc> shubhnik: yes, it installs /usr/share/doc/flex/examples/fastwc/Makefile.gz
[18:59] <sacarde> with this I have only 2 choices, automatic or not
[18:59] <nacc> itay2: that doesn't seem necessary, but ok
[18:59] <kyle__> dmesg gives me a helpful "new high-speed USB device number 12 using xhci_hcd" message, and identifies what it is, but never attaches a driver to it.
[18:59] <sacarde> nacc, is possible to have the original 3 choices?
[19:00] <nacc> sacarde: you want to use landscape?
[19:00] <ducasse> itay2: if you just try to do a *basic* (nothing extra) install from the server image, then come back here and i'll try to help you get the desktop etc up and running. i'm here tomorrow.
[19:00] <sacarde> do is possible to have the original 3 choices?
[19:01] <itay2> Ok thanks ducasse. First i want to bring evidence to nacc since i dislike not being trusted/believed
[19:02] <kyle__> itay2: I don't believe a word of what you just wrote.
[19:02] <kyle__> I think you __like__ it.
[19:02] <kyle__> :P
[19:02] <itay2> Haha
[19:03] <kyle__> Is there maybe a different set of userland tools or firmware you need when switching from the 3.x to the 4.x kernels?
[19:03] <nacc> sacarde: ah ok, it's not unattended upgrades, but 'pkgsel/update-policy'. trying to figure out which pacakge owns that
[19:03] <sacarde> ah
[19:03] <sacarde> ok!!
[19:03] <nacc> kyle__: it should have been pulled in auotmatically when you switched the kernel packages
[19:03] <nacc> *installed them
[19:03] <nacc> kyle__: can you pastebin the dmesg (dmesg | pastebinit)
[19:04] <ducasse> itay2: you do as you please, i'd rather focus on getting ubuntu installed and then work on any problems :)
[19:04] <sacarde> nacc, thanks a lot
[19:05] <kyle__> nacc: Sure.  You'll see a bunch of random garbage from my attempts though, be warned :)
[19:05] <kyle__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23355211/
[19:06] <nacc> kyle__: if you can, probably the dmesg from the working kernel too would be good
[19:07] <kyle__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23355235/
[19:07] <nacc> kyle__: ok, so it seems like your new kernel at least sees the usb wifi device
[19:07] <kyle__> nacc: I'm not sure if that one has the realtek in it or not.
[19:09] <nacc> kyle__: is it possible you used an out of tree driver for the broadcom card before? e.g. bcmwl-kernel-source ?
[19:11] <nacc> kyle__: is there a reason you want to be on the xenial hwe stack in trusty?
[19:12] <nacc> kyle__: like some hardware didnt' work before?
[19:13] <kyle__> nacc: The power management on this laptop has been abysmal, as has been the onboard wifi.  I was hoping the new kernel would fix one or both of those things.
[19:14] <kyle__> The USB wifi was basically a work-around.
[19:14] <nacc> kyle__: ah ok
[19:14] <nacc> kyle__: then that makes sense :)
[19:14] <kyle__> That, and I had to recently update a few of my 14.04LTS servers to the xenial kernel, and I like to keep my laptop as close as possible :)
[19:15] <nacc> kyle__: i assume you've looked through https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookAir and related?
[19:15] <kyle__> On an unrelated note: this macbook air has dashed the last positive feelings I had about apple hardware.
[19:15] <kyle__> nacc: Yeah.
[19:15] <kyle__> Several times
[19:15] <kyle__> Although not in the past few months... let me re-read
[19:16] <nacc> kyle__: just wondering if there might be 16.04 or xenial-hwe tips
[19:17] <kyle__>  hwe?
[19:18] <nacc> kyle__: hardware enablement stack
[19:18] <nacc> !hwe | kyle__
[19:18] <kyle__> Ahh
[19:18] <moongazer> ducasse, Maybe something with the bios
[19:18] <kyle__> Now this page, I've never read before.
[19:19] <nacc> kyle__: right so it seems like the broadcom chipset was only supported on trusty with the bcmwl-kernel-source pacakge?
[19:19] <nacc> kyle__: i'm not 100% on how that works with the lts kernel, but i think dkms should have rebuilt the driver
[19:21] <nacc> kyle__: you could check which modules get loaded in the working kernel and then see if those are loadable on the new kernel?
[19:22] <kyle__>  nacc I thought that was one of the whole points of the dkms drivers... but since that was so bad anyway... I'm not upset if I can just get one of the wifi adapters to work :)
[19:22] <ducasse> moongazer: i kind of doubt that, but as i said i know next to nothing about webcams. not sure what to try.
[19:23] <kyle__> nacc: I tried that.  The realtek ones def are there and can e loaded, but didn't do anything.  It's strange.
[19:23] <ducasse> kyle__: which realtek driver?
[19:24] <kyle__> ducasse: I don't recall which it was now.  I've been going at this in circles for a while now, and the dmesg I found didn't have it listed in it
[19:24] <nacc> kyle__: should be in `lsmod`
[19:25] <kyle__> nacc: At the moment they all show up in lsmod, because in desperation I modprobed all of them.
[19:25] <nacc> kyle__: hrm,it's werid, the changelog for bcmwl-kernel-source http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/restricted/b/bcmwl/bcmwl_6.30.223.248+bdcom-0ubuntu0.2/changelog only indicates support up to 4.2
[19:25] <kyle__> modprobe, listed my interfaces, in a loop, to see if one took.
[19:25] <nacc> kyle__: but even the xenial one only indicates up to 4.3 (http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/restricted/b/bcmwl/bcmwl_6.30.223.248+bdcom-0ubuntu8/)
[19:25] <elisa87> please have a look http://askubuntu.com/questions/839795/cannot-open-var-log-sysstat-sa20-no-such-file-or-directory
[19:27] <kyle__> elisa87: Be patient, if you just changed it to enabled.
[19:27] <nacc> elisa87: also, did you actually start it?
[19:28] <elisa87> kyle__:  I see, good catch :)
[19:28] <kyle__> sar creates two files a day (one raw, one processed), and rotates.  After 5-10 minutes, you should be able to see something.
[19:28] <elisa87> nacc not sure
[19:30] <kyle__> haha! I got the boradcom back at least.  Had to purge the old bcmwl packages, then reinstall.  Now I have that one.  Also, one of the older usb adapters I have now works, where in the older kenrel it didn't see all of the bands.
[19:30]  * kyle__ shrugs
[19:30] <kyle__> I hate computers somedays.
[19:30] <nacc> kyle__: well that's odd! glad it worked, at least
[19:31] <nacc> kyle__: for better or for worse, i think it's the price to get ubuntu on the macbook airs
[19:32] <kyle__> nacc: Heh.  Trust me, it wasn't mychoice
[19:33] <nacc> kyle__: fair enough :)
[19:40] <linux_noviisi> Good evening, Can someone help with xfce volume adjusting keyboard shortcuts? Alsamixer adjust the volume when i run it from terminal. This helps for the session: killall xfce4-volumed && volumeicon&. Icon and shortcuts are lost after loggin out. How to save those settings?
[19:44] <MWM> I did this http://askubuntu.com/questions/453109/add-fake-display-when-no-monitor-is-plugged-in and it works, but I wonder if Ive hit themax resolution for the driver or something?
[19:45] <MWM> the best I can get is 13??x768 and Im shooting for 1600x900
[19:45] <rtinoco> hey whats up!
[19:53] <edgy> Hi, I am using ubuntu 16.04 image and I set a mysql password but still # mysql -uroot -p allow me to login without a password, what's wrong?
[19:57] <ikonia> edgy: look at the grants
[19:57] <ikonia> you've set a password - there is more than one account/host match
[19:57] <adry> list
[19:59] <adry> wella
[19:59] <adry> !list
[19:59] <edgy> ikonia: https://gist.github.com/c660ffaf2ece0b4ad2c1457fd1fd9be8
[20:01] <ikonia> edgy: right, so look at that grant, root@localhost - no password set there
[20:02] <idoko> was wondering how frequent the ubuntu images on the main website gets updated
[20:02] <edgy> ikonia: yes, there should be an IDENTIFIED BY PASSWORD phrase, right?
[20:03] <ikonia> edgy: right
[20:04] <edgy> ikonia: but if I ues mysql -uroot -p and put the password I set, it works, so where is there password stored
[20:04] <ikonia> edgy: there can be more than one grant
[20:05] <SupaYoshi> Simooon
[20:05] <SupaYoshi> http://prntscr.com/cwnpyv what to do here o.o
[20:05] <ikonia> edgy: also look if there is a .my.cnf for your current use
[20:05] <SupaYoshi> I've lost access to that directory, called FACTURS
[20:05] <ikonia> user
[20:05] <SupaYoshi> FACTUR
[20:06] <edgy> ikonia: I don't have a .my.cnf and I am pretty sure something has changed. I set the root password using mysql_secure_installation which should remove empty password!
[20:07] <ikonia> edgy: it should, but things can go wrong,
[20:07] <mike-zal> ubuntu live behaves strangely, help: ** (appstreamcli:18858): CRITICAL **: Error while moving old database out of the way.
[20:07] <mike-zal> AppStream cache update failed.
[20:07] <mike-zal> in ubuntu live I can't install anything
[20:07] <ikonia> edgy: use -p and enter the wrong password
[20:07] <ikonia> mike-zal: what are you dong to cause that
[20:07] <SonikkuAmerica> !paste | mike-zal
[20:07] <mike-zal> (appstreamcli:18858): CRITICAL **: Error while moving old database out of the way.
[20:07] <mike-zal> during apt update I get: https://thepb.in/p/Elh1wj3pD6Ltm
[20:08] <edgy> ikonia: i tried a wrong password and surprisingly to me it logged me in!
[20:08] <ikonia> edgy: change the user
[20:08] <ikonia> see if that lets you in
[20:08] <ikonia> it may be running with skip-grant-tables (for example)
[20:08] <ikonia> mike-zal: what is updating
[20:09] <mike-zal> ikonia: I just want to try live andinstall few things, but package cannot be found, so I used apt update but it got me this database error
[20:09] <ikonia> mike-zal: lets get the basics
[20:09] <ikonia> mike-zal: what version of ubuntu liveCD is running (EXACTLY what version)
[20:09] <edgy> with -u ikonia it didn't let me in
[20:09] <mike-zal> is there any irc client in live version? using kwi and it's incredibly laggy and I can't use it :(
[20:09] <mike-zal> it freezes every few seconds
[20:10] <mintz> having issues with LUKS encrypted thumb drive created with gnome disk utility, it mounts but the contents can't be viewed on machines other than the machine it the partition was created on
[20:10] <mintz> any ideas?
[20:10] <mike-zal> ikonia: 16.04
[20:10] <ikonia> mintz: what version of ubuntu
[20:10] <kyle__> mintz: check your entropy.
[20:10] <ikonia> mike-zal: what package are you trying to install
[20:10] <kyle__> Make sure it's not exhausted.
[20:10] <mintz> ikonia: 16.04
[20:10] <mintz> kyle__: hm?
[20:10] <ikonia> mintz: sure you're not using mint ?
[20:10] <SonikkuAmerica> mintz: 16.04.0 or 16.04.1?
[20:11] <mintz> ikonia: i am now, but the issue wasn't on mint
[20:11] <mintz> i'm on a live CD now
[20:11] <mintz> of mint
[20:11] <SonikkuAmerica> !mint | mintz
[20:11] <kyle__> cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail
[20:11] <mintz> SonikkuAmerica: read what i just said
[20:11] <mintz> i'm using mint right now, but the issue is on 16.04
[20:11] <SonikkuAmerica> mintz: Read what YOU read: "I'm on a live CD now \ of Mint"
[20:11] <mintz> right, but i'm not asking for support of mint
[20:12] <dr4c4n> SonikkuAmerica: he's asking for support on ubuntu 16.04
[20:12] <mintz> if i were on irc from my phone, would support not be provided?
[20:12] <ikonia> mintz: so, you've encypted a disk, is it a portable or internal disk
[20:12] <mintz> how stupid are you?
[20:12] <idoko> how frequent is the ubuntu images on the main website updated?
[20:12] <kyle__> mintz: Luks, and several other systems, rely on having entropy to work off of...
[20:12] <ikonia> mintz: calm down, easy mistake for someone to make
[20:12] <mintz> ikonia: portable, usb
[20:12] <mike-zal> ikonia, I'm trying to install synaptic or other popular package. it's not possible.
[20:12] <ikonia> mintz: so where is the key being stored
[20:12] <SonikkuAmerica> mintz: Whoa! Watch it! I took that to mean you were on Mint... :(
[20:12] <mintz> it's a passphrase, not a key
[20:12] <mintz> the passphrase is literally "test" right now
[20:13] <ikonia> mintz: there will need to be a key somewhere for the passphrase to match
[20:13] <ikonia> mike-zal: what package exactly are you using
[20:13] <kyle__> If your entropy is exhausted, encryption halts until more is available.  Decryption isn't affected iirc.  So really... cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail
[20:13] <mintz> i would assume the key is on the partition itself, ikonia. although i'm not too familiar with LUKS.
[20:13] <ikonia> mike-zal: the update can't move the database probably because it's a livecd
[20:13] <mike-zal> I get: I get Unable to locate package hexchat
[20:13] <ikonia> mintz: thats the first thing I'd check as if it's on the partition, (it can't be really) as it won't be reable to decypt
[20:14] <ikonia> !info hexchat
[20:14] <mike-zal> ikonia, ok, but so far I was able to do anything on live systems. why can't I do it with ubuntu?
[20:14] <mintz> ikonia: it seems to be a file/directory permission error when the partition is created. because i'm able to gain access to the files with some chown magic.
[20:14] <mintz> ikonia: well no, it mounts fine. i can decrypt the parititon. i just can't view the contents.
[20:14] <mintz> partition*
[20:14] <ikonia> mintz: ahh, so it mounts decrypted, apologies, I thought you where saying it mounted encypted
[20:14] <ikonia> mike-zal: show me the exact command you are using
[20:15] <ikonia> mintz: are you swapping the disks between computers ?
[20:15] <ikonia> or OS's
[20:15] <mike-zal> anyway, ikonia, so doe it mean, the issue will be gone after I install ubuntu? I thought that the idea of live system was to try it out and see if it works well. it doesn't...
[20:15] <mintz> no no, it mounts fine. but nautilus give me a The location could not be displayed." error
[20:15] <mintz> ikonia: yes i am, between computer
[20:15] <mintz> it works fine on the same computer, the issue is when i move the encrypted flash drive between computers
[20:16] <ikonia> mintz: it's possible the UID/GID's don't match, so locking you out
[20:16] <mintz> ikonia: as i said, i was able to view the files with some chown commands... but that's not a permanent solution
[20:16] <edgy> ikonia: I think I figured it out. mysql 5.7 seems to deprecate the set password command in favor of alter user command
[20:16] <mintz> the permissions are getting messed up for the root directory of the encrypted partition somehow
[20:17] <mintz> ikonia: mind if i PM?
[20:17] <ikonia> mintz: I don't think they are getting messed up, I think the UID's GID's are out of sync between computers/OS
[20:17] <ikonia> mintz: exactly what chown command did you run
[20:17] <ikonia> mintz: any reason we can't discuss in the channel ?
[20:18] <mintz> ikonia: i tried like 50 chown commands before i was able to view the file. i forget which one did it. but it did get it working eventually.
[20:18] <mintz> so i'm 99% sure it's a directory permissions error
[20:18] <ikonia> mintz: right, but it's not actually an error most probably
[20:18] <mintz> but the weird thing is that it's only an issue with LUKS partitions, not unencrypted partitions
[20:18] <ikonia> I suspect the UID's are just out of sync
[20:18] <ikonia> mintz: can you pastebin ls -la against the root of that mount point (where the directory is mounted please)
[20:18] <mintz> ikonia: out of sync how? i get the same error even on live CDs.
[20:19] <mintz> i just tired to view the contents of the partition on a live CD of linux mint, same error
[20:19] <ikonia> mintz: right, don't change anything - show me the ls -la output please
[20:19] <mintz> for the directory of the flash drive, right ikonia?
[20:19] <mintz> sec
[20:20] <ikonia> mintz: thats right
[20:20] <mintz> ikonia: ls: cannot open directory '/media/mint/TRUMP2016/': Permission denied
[20:20] <mintz> permission denied
[20:20] <nicomachus> ....
[20:20] <ikonia> mintz: that's not what I asked for
[20:20] <ikonia> ls -la
[20:21] <mintz> ikonia: in what directory?
[20:21] <ikonia> mintz: the root of the flash drive
[20:21] <mintz> i can't even cd to it, ikonia
[20:21] <ikonia> you don't CD to it
[20:22] <ikonia> I'm asking you to list the permissions of the root of the flash drive filesystem
[20:22] <mintz> ikonia: drwx------  3 1000 1000 4096 Oct 20 15:10 TRUMP2016
[20:22] <ikonia> mintz: right - 1000:1000
[20:22] <ikonia> so the uid's are screwed
[20:22] <ikonia> mintz: now type "id"
[20:22] <ikonia> what is your uid/gid
[20:22] <mintz> uid=999(mint) gid=999(mint) groups=999(mint),4(adm),24(cdrom),27(sudo),30(dip),46(plugdev),113(lpadmin),130(sambashare)
[20:22] <ikonia> right, so you are 999
[20:23] <ikonia> so thats why
[20:23] <mintz> ...but why is that happening?
[20:23] <ikonia> mintz: why is what happening ?
[20:23] <mintz> i created the partition using gnome disk editor. why are the GIDs getting fucked when i switch the flash drive between machines?
[20:23] <ikonia> mintz: please don't swear
[20:23] <ikonia> the uid's are "fine"
[20:24] <ikonia> the problem is you're swapping it between machines that are setup using different uid's
[20:24] <dr4c4n> in ubuntu 16.10 kernel 4.8 I can't connect to a vlan because it says my device name is too long, how do I connect to the vlan, i've installed the vlan package and enabled the module
[20:24] <mintz> ikonia: so what's the solution?
[20:24] <ikonia> mintz: set the permissions more open, or sync the UID/GID's on your users
[20:24] <mintz> i can move unencrypted flash drives between machines. i want to do the same with LUKS encrypted drives without having to chown every time.
[20:26] <mintz> i swear, file/directory permissions are the most annoying thing about *NIX
[20:26] <ikonia> not really
[20:26] <mintz> they seem to break literally everything
[20:26] <ikonia> works fine for most people
[20:26] <mintz> they're a pita with web servers too
[20:26] <ikonia> not at all
[20:27] <mintz> ikonia: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=146876
[20:28] <mintz> this seems to confirm
[20:28] <mintz> for some reason i don't have the same issue with fedora though, that's the weird thing
[20:28] <mintz> so i suspect fedora has more "sane" permissions when it creates a LUKS partition
[20:28] <ikonia> it's not a problem
[20:28] <mintz> it is a problem, it's not working as intended
[20:28] <ikonia> you've just not kept your users in sync across your installs so they have different id's
[20:28] <ikonia> it's working exactly as designed
[20:29] <mintz> the file permissions given to the root directory of the partition prevent the flash drive from being read on other machines unless chown is used
[20:29] <mintz> that means it's not working
[20:29] <nacc> mintz: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/38309/different-uid-gid-when-using-an-ext4-formatted-usb-drive-with-another-computer/38323#38323
[20:29] <mintz> the entire purpose of a flash drive is portability
[20:29] <ikonia> mintz: that means you've not managed your system properly
[20:29] <nacc> yes, the but the entire purpose of a *filesystem* is something else
[20:29] <mintz> ikonia: i used gnome disk utility
[20:29] <ikonia> and the encyption will make userspace mounting (how non-ecrypted mounts) work
[20:29] <ikonia> mintz: gnome-disk untility dosn't manage/control users
[20:30] <nacc> mintz: you may want to look at bindfs etc
[20:30] <mintz> it does when it first creates a partition
[20:30] <ikonia> mintz: no it doesn't
[20:30] <ikonia> mintz: it does not manage users
[20:30] <mintz> when a partition is first created, disk utility assigns permissions
[20:30] <mintz> for the root directory of the partition
[20:30] <ikonia> mintz: right, for the system its created on
[20:30] <mintz> right?
[20:30] <ikonia> mintz: you've mived it to a different system with a different user id
[20:30] <nacc> mintz: using UIDs, not usernames
[20:31] <mintz> yeah, i under what you're saying
[20:31] <ikonia> that is nothing to do with the disk/filesystem
[20:31] <mintz> still seems like there's a better way of handling flash drives. macOS and Windows don't have this issue.
[20:31] <ikonia> mintz: they do
[20:31] <nacc> mintz: you wouldn't have this issue if you used FAT, possibly
[20:31] <mintz> i have never had an issue when moving a flash drive between mac or windows machines
[20:32] <mintz> ever
[20:32] <mintz> nacc: true
[20:32] <nacc> mintz: it's dependent on the filesyste you chose
[20:32] <nacc> mintz: if you don't care about user permissions, don't use ext*
[20:32] <ikonia> mintz: right, because your users are probably in sync
[20:32] <mintz> so yes, it's ext4 specific
[20:32] <ikonia> it's not ext4 specific
[20:32] <nacc> mintz: if you read the link i pasted it has a much more thorough explanation
[20:33] <mintz> so there's not a more sane way to handle flash drives partitioned with ext4? i refuse to believe that.
[20:33] <ikonia> yes
[20:33] <ikonia> keep the users in sync
[20:33] <nacc> mintz: either use the same uid everywhere, or use bindfs (afaict)
[20:33] <mintz> how? what if you're using somebody elses computer?
[20:33] <ikonia> you just keep repeating the same thing like it's a "problem" it's not
[20:33] <mintz> you can't keep every machine you use in sync
[20:33] <mintz> especially if they belong to others
[20:33] <ikonia> mintz: then make the permissions more open
[20:33] <mintz> critter: looking at bindfs
[20:34] <mintz> ikonia: right, which is why i'm saying the permissions for flash drives should be more "open" to begin with. let power users lock them down more, but the default should be that they work.
[20:34] <ikonia> mintz: err no
[20:34] <nacc> mintz: by default you want to allow any user to write to your flash drive?
[20:34] <ikonia> mintz: you're encypting something because it's a secret, making it open by default is over kill
[20:34] <talpio> Happy 12th birthday, Ubuntu!
[20:34] <nacc> mintz: that would be insane, and would mean they can format it too afaict
[20:34] <mintz> nacc: any user of the local system ,sure
[20:34] <nacc> well, wipe it, at least
[20:35] <nacc> mintz: that's never going to happen
[20:35] <nacc> huge security hole
[20:35] <stan_man_can> Kinda strange. When I reboot my computer, sometimes my cursor stays hidden for a while
[20:35] <stan_man_can> I can move it shake it click on stuff, but i can't see the cursor itself
[20:35] <stan_man_can> then it magically appears after a while
[20:35] <stan_man_can> any ideas?
[20:38] <mintz> nacc: so perhaps ext4 shouldn't use uid/gid to verify permissions for portable storage like flash drives
[20:38] <mintz> would that make sense?
[20:38] <ikonia> no
[20:38] <ikonia> what would make sense is to use tools that meet your requirement
[20:39] <nacc> mintz: that would require changing the filesystem definition, which would break backwards-compatibilty, aiui
[20:39] <nacc> mintz: if you don't want uid/gid permissions, don't use a fs with them (afaict) -- i don't think you can disable that for ext4
[20:40] <talpio> nacc: any question?
[20:40] <mintz> okay, thanks nacc. you've been more helpful than ikonia.
[20:40] <mintz> appreciate it.
[20:40] <nacc> mintz: that is also why there is root_owner option to mkfs.ext4, afaict; then you could forcibly make the uid the same verywhere on the FS, at least
[20:40] <nacc> talpio: sorry?
[20:40] <ikonia> mintz: yeah, I only explained the problem and how to fix it/manage it
[20:41] <mintz> ikonia: yes, but you didn't explain why it's an issue
[20:41] <ikonia> mintz: pretty sure I explained 3 - 4 times
[20:41] <dr4c4n> hi there, does anyone know about long device names for usb ethernet dongles, like how to change the device name in udev?
[20:44] <mintz> ikonia: worth noting that i don't have this problem with before, if i create a LUKS-encrypted flash drive with fedora it works on every *nix machine i put it in.
[20:44] <mintz> without any issues
[20:44] <mintz> so obviously there is a more sane way of handling flash drives
[20:44] <mintz> and fedora does it
[20:44] <mintz> er, fedora, not before
[20:46] <speaker1234> I'm having some problems with Samba. I'm trying to enable sharing home directories for all users. I've taken a stock configuration file uncommented the section for [home] and every time I go to \\host\fred\ it tells me access is denied. Where do I start looking for log information on what I have to change for access control?
[20:48] <CrtxReavr> Is it an ubuntu default for my .bash_history file to be owned by root?
[20:50] <dr4c4n> CrtxReavr: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1098129
[20:52] <nacc> mintz: still using ext4?
[20:52] <CrtxReavr> dr4c4n, I don't need help fixing it. . . just wondering WTF is was like that.
[20:52] <mintz> nacc: yep
[20:53] <dr4c4n> CrtxReavr: on 16.10 mine is set to my username:username for permissions
[20:53] <mintz> on fedora i have zero issues. i use gnome disk utility on fedora 24 and the partition has proper permissions on every *nix system i use
[20:53] <dr4c4n> and I haven't modified the permissions on it, after fresh install
[20:53] <nacc> mintz: would be interesting to see how it's mounted and how/if the uids match up
[20:54] <kyle__> CrtxReavr: No.  That's not normal.  Did you have your own skel files?
[20:54] <CrtxReavr> Theory is that if the first command you run is sudo. . .
[20:55] <kyle__> Humm.
[20:55] <mintz> nacc: i'll boot into it in a bit
[20:55] <mintz> and share
[20:57] <CrtxReavr> Not buying that theory. . . but oh well.
[20:57] <nacc> mintz: cool, would be good to know
[20:58] <nacc> CrtxReavr: you mean new user, first thing they did in the shell upon logging in was `sudo ...` and that's what's in .bash_history?
[20:58] <CrtxReavr> I see I also have a .viminfo that's owned by root. .
[20:58] <CrtxReavr> Kooky.
[20:59] <Seveas> CrtxReavr: you probably did 'sudo vim' at some point :)
[21:00] <Seveas> CrtxReavr: when sudoing, always sudo -i so $HOME gets reset and root doesn't end up owning your files
[21:01] <Seveas> (or if you want to do things like sudo vim, use sudo -H vim)
[21:01] <CrtxReavr> Seems it's only an issue on .viminfo creation - not subsequent 'sudo vim' runs.
[21:02] <Seveas> yeah
[21:02] <Seveas> subsequent runs just overwrite
[21:02] <CrtxReavr> Later, lusers!
[21:03] <Seveas> attitude--
[21:05] <JAWC> How do I get screenshots (gnome-screenshot, Kazam, etc.) to start working properly again in Unity? Works in GNOME. Ubuntu 16.04.1, XPS 13 9350. Current behaviour: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSKVRy2ms_Q
[21:12] <note1989> join /java
[21:21] <cripcate> hey guys, i lost overview on which flashplayer plugins i have installed and if any need updating or removal
[21:22] <cripcate> any fast way to sort this out? like uninstall everyone and reinstall only the newest for my usual browser?
[21:22] <cripcate> ubuntu 16.04 btw brave browser
[21:27] <niytro> hi all, I installed 16.10 full disk encryption, generated a 256bit keyfile on a usb stick and added it to LUKS, how can I have the system check for this keyfile on boot so I dont have to enter a passphrase?
[21:28] <NorthernHorse_> QUESTION: using the following command: ls /g'  returns a "> " prompt, yet if i do a ls i cannot see a 'g' folder. Does anyone know what this is ?
[21:29] <akik> NorthernHorse_: the problem comes from the '
[21:29] <Seveas> NorthernHorse_: ls "/g'"
[21:30] <NorthernHorse_> akik: what does this mean
[21:32] <NorthernHorse_> Seveas: I am issuing that command, yet am unsure why a ">" is being presented?
[21:32] <ppf> NorthernHorse_: because the ' starts a new string
[21:37] <NorthernHorse_> ah! ppf after including a additional "'" which as you implied closes the string it is corrected
[21:37] <NorthernHorse_> she she
[21:38] <NorthernHorse_> [xiexie]
[21:38] <NorthernHorse_> :)
[21:49] <adal> asa dude
[21:54] <neminis> Hello, in 16.04, does unattended-upgrades actually remove old kernels by default? is it supposed to? because it is said so in some docs, but it is not happening on my system
[21:55] <danm> If I have a laptop with two graphics cards, and I'm currently using the one from Intel, is the nVidia card shut down?
[21:55] <danm> With no power consumption at all?
[21:55] <ppf> neminis: if you want it to
[21:57] <alvin_> Greetings from Colombia
[21:58] <alvin_> begin to use ubuntu
[21:59] <alvin_> is cool
[21:59] <neminis> ppf: okay so I still have to configure it, it is available now
[21:59] <neminis> that's not by default
[22:00] <neminis> alvin_: nice, what do you use otherwise?
[22:01] <alvin_> used windows 10
[22:02] <alvin_> but now ubuntu and is easy of user y software frer excelent
[22:05] <hello> yeah even kali linux too easy for user interface
[22:12] <lion4407> how come the network manager does not have the openvpn option even when I have the gnome installed
[22:12] <hello> Lion4407 ???
[22:13] <lion4407> you can log into a vpn with the ubuntu network manager
[22:13] <lion4407> i dont see the option to add a config file or openvpn
[22:13] <hello> yes
[22:13] <hello> ok lets test this
[22:14] <hello> go to duckduckgo search engine and look for vpnbook.com
[22:15] <lion4407> whats your point?
[22:15] <hello>  we can try through terminal first  using free openvpn from this site..
[22:16] <lion4407> i dont understand
[22:16] <hello> first look for vpnbook.com website to get free vpn
[22:16] <lion4407> i really don't what your talking about
[22:17] <lion4407> i have vpnbook on windows but im asking about network manager on ubuntu
[22:17] <ppf> lion4407: did you restart nm
[22:17] <lion4407> for the openvpn option
[22:17] <hello> i misread that
[22:17] <lion4407> ppf i dont think so
[22:17] <lion4407> what is the command for that
[22:17] <hello> look under network adapter
[22:17] <lion4407> there is a restart option?
[22:18] <hello> did do install this ?
[22:18] <hello>  sudo apt-get install network-manager-openvpn
[22:18] <lion4407> yes its there
[22:18] <ppf> lion4407: systemctl restart network
[22:19] <tomreyn> dpkg -l network-manager\*
[22:19] <hello> ok now you go to edit settings under you network adapter
[22:19] <hello> follow this link
[22:19] <hello> https://torguard.net/knowledgebase.php?action=displayarticle&id=53
[22:19] <lion4407> yea there is no openvpn option
[22:19] <lion4407> not sure why
[22:20] <tomreyn> you need both network-manager-openvpn and network-manager-openvpn-gnome installed
[22:20] <lion4407> the option is not there I think i read that article already
[22:20] <lion4407> yes i know
[22:20] <lion4407> both are installed
[22:20] <hello> can you check both installed correct ?
[22:20] <lion4407> yes i checked
[22:20] <tomreyn> how?
[22:21] <lion4407> well i checked that they are installed
[22:21] <Sik> Is it even possible to install both Allegro 4 and 5 at the same time? They're completely different libraries but it seems apt-get won't let me install both at the same time? Do they have the same filename or what? :/
[22:21] <tomreyn> lion4407: how did you check that they are installed?
[22:21] <hello> r u able to connect to your vpn ?
[22:21] <ppf> hello: you're not helping
[22:21] <lion4407> tomreyn by trying to install them and it saying they are already installed and also looking at synaptic manager
[22:22] <tomreyn> lion4407: okay, thanks. have you tried to restart network manager as ppf suggested?
[22:22] <ppf> lion4407: for the record, which ubuntu is this?
[22:22] <lion4407> 16.10
[22:23] <ppf> restart networking
[22:23] <lion4407> well I may try to boot up ubuntu again im not on it now....i have it on a usb...
[22:23] <lion4407> i can try that thanks
[22:23] <ppf> i just tried this on xenial
 lion4407: systemctl restart network
[22:24] <ppf> networking
[22:24] <lion4407> i saw that thanks
[22:24] <Sik> Wait just noticed there's an #allegro channel (·· ) *goes ask there*
[22:27] <hello> this should stupid question to ask how can i install ubuntu on iphone 4 ? or on windows phone with phone dial and messenger send settings.
[22:28] <debkad> hello: depend on the device
[22:29] <hello> ok iphone 4 and nokia lumia 1320 .. just need to install ubuntu
[22:29] <k1l> hello: you cant, because the devices have locked bootloaders most times and you are missing the drivers for the hardware. there is #ubuntu-touch to put it on android devices
[22:29] <k1l> hello: its a bootloader and driver issue. its not like putting ubuntu onto a windows pc.
[22:30] <tomreyn>  /join #ubuntu-phone
[22:30] <tomreyn> i mean /join #ubuntu-touch
[22:30] <k1l> tomreyn: the first redirects to the second one :)
[22:30] <hello> I did use bochs software to try but i got error 407 something which is issue with software .
[22:30] <tomreyn> :)
[22:42] <xock_stream> hi
[22:42] <xock_stream> Can anyone help me? I am trying to install hopper disassembler and seems it can't install it
[22:44] <Wulf> nacc: thanks for earlier!
[22:44] <nacc> Wulf: np! while your fix is 'obviously correct', i think it's technically safer to follow upstream and just disable the feature altogether (as anyone trying to use tls will end up hitting different issues) and incidentally shoudl fix that stack stomping :)
[22:45] <xock_stream> Pls
[22:45] <hello> wat is your error hopper disassembler
[22:45] <xock_stream> Can't even install it
[22:46] <nacc> xock_stream: is that an ubuntu package?
[22:46] <xock_stream> no..
[22:46] <hello> na mac package i think
[22:46] <xock_stream> no
[22:46] <xock_stream> they also have ubuntu version
[22:46] <xock_stream> I can't install it
[22:46] <k1l> xock_stream: its not in the ubuntu repos. see their website
[22:46] <xock_stream> I did...
[22:46] <xock_stream> It's not even working
[22:46] <hello> he might need to that website repo first
[22:46] <nacc> xock_stream: that's a problem for their software then?
[22:47] <nacc> xock_stream: not really an ubuntu support question, i mean
[22:47] <xock_stream> I just want to get an help
[22:47] <xock_stream> Literally get someone to assist me.. Maybe I am doing something wrong
[22:47] <nacc> https://www.hopperapp.com/contact.html I guess
[22:48] <nacc> xock_stream: it looks like they distribute a .deb file
[22:48] <nacc> xock_stream: did you try installing that?
[22:48] <xock_stream> yes
[22:48] <xock_stream> with dpkg -i hopper
[22:48] <xock_stream> and it can't install it
[22:48] <nacc> xock_stream: dpkg -i <hopper....deb> I assume?
[22:49] <xock_stream> Yes
[22:49] <nacc> xock_stream: what does it say (use a pastebin)
[22:49] <nacc> xock_stream: also what version of ubuntu are you on?
[22:50] <xock_stream> Ubuntu 16.04.1 LTS
[22:51] <nacc> xock_stream: they clearly say it's only supported under 14.04 ...
[22:51] <nacc> well, only tested
[22:51] <nacc> xock_stream: i highly recommend you talk to the hopper folks directly
[22:52] <xocket> The error: Errors were encountered while processing:
[22:52] <xocket>  
[22:52] <xocket> I got disconnected. (wifi problems)
[22:53] <nacc> xocket: that's not all the errors, please paste full output in a pastebin (as I just said)
[22:53] <nacc> xocket: you may want to use gdebi if you only have .deb, or the software center (or whatever it's called) so it resolves dependencies
[22:53] <hello> ok so tell if i buy nexus 5 d8220 can i install ubuntu on it with using normal phone ?
[22:54] <nacc> hello: not ontopic for this channel, afaict
[22:54] <hello> nacc first ask him to do force install too
[22:54] <hello> can u suggest me chnl
[22:54] <nacc> !alis | hello
[22:56] <k1l> hello: you are alrady in the right channel for the #ubuntu-touch
[22:56] <nacc> hello: but i believe that was what tomreyn tried to tell you earlier (maybe)? #ubuntu-touch
[22:56] <k1l> *already
[22:56] <hello> hmm ok
[22:57] <xocket> nacc: here http://pastebin.com/raw/Tbga7R6d
[22:58] <nacc> xocket: yes, try with gdebi or the gui software center, as i said
[22:58] <nacc> xocket: or you might be able to make it work with `apt-get -f install` now
[22:58] <xocket> it does not work -f option.
[22:59] <nacc> xocket: provide the output in a pastebin...
[22:59] <k1l> those dependencies are in universe repo.
[22:59] <nacc> !components | xocket
[22:59] <k1l> so that should work, if that is a ubuntu
[23:03] <xocket> i will install ubuntu again ...
[23:03] <nacc> xocket: you're not on ubuntu now?
[23:03] <xocket> i am
[23:03] <xocket> it's buggy
[23:03] <k1l> xocket: is universe enabled?
[23:03] <k1l> xocket: what desktop version is it?
[23:04] <xocket> Universal is enabled.
[23:04] <nacc> xocket: it's not buggy for ubuntu to not install arbitrary 3rd party packages perfectly
[23:05] <k1l> xocket: so run "sudo apt-get install -f". please put all the output into a pastebin
[23:05] <xocket> nacc: the shell crashed
[23:05] <xocket> Now I have something red on the desktop
[23:06] <xocket> I will reinstall again.
[23:06] <xocket> I am on VMware.
[23:09] <xocket> Should I try to understand why it breaks or to install Ubuntu again?
[23:10] <k1l> xocket: well, it should work. with more details we could see what is going on
[23:10] <xocket> It's okay... I am going to install ubuntu again
[23:10] <xocket> If it will failed I look at other distro
[23:13] <muffinmonstah> hey, do you know how can i get a invite on java channel? Thanks, Ana
[23:14] <k1l> !register | muffinmonstah
[23:20] <gry> muffinmonstah: working now? :-)
[23:20] <malkauns> please gimme some files (100+mb) on ubuntu server that i can safely delete
[23:21] <gry> malkauns: do you have enough space to install a tiny little program called 'ncdu' which shows you where your space is used most
[23:21] <gry> a disk usage analyser
[23:21] <tomreyn> malkauns: on a default installation, there shouldn't be any
[23:21] <malkauns> gry, nope can't install anything
[23:21] <malkauns> totally out of space
[23:22] <tomreyn> malkauns: so this system has been running for a while?
[23:22] <malkauns> yea
[23:22] <malkauns> but then i tried to install something and it failed
[23:22] <k1l> malkauns: old kernels installed?
[23:22] <malkauns> cos it ran out of space
[23:22] <gry> malkauns: can you remove something from your home directory? you could also try 'apt-get clean' as a temporary workaround
[23:22] <gry> thanks k1l
[23:22] <malkauns> gry, there's nothing in my home dir lol
[23:23] <gry> how big is your partition
[23:23] <k1l> malkauns: "dpkg -l | grep ii | grep linux-image | nc termbin.com 9999"
[23:23] <malkauns> apt-clean doesn't remove anything
[23:23] <gry> ok
[23:23] <malkauns> gry, yea that's the problem, main drive is 3.2GB
[23:23] <k1l> malkauns: that will show the installed kernel pacakges in a url, please show that url here
[23:23] <malkauns> didnt realize till now
[23:24] <malkauns> http://termbin.com/pc8a
[23:24] <k1l> there you go.
[23:24] <malkauns> ok
[23:24] <malkauns> what and how can i remove?
[23:25] <tomreyn> uname -a
[23:25] <k1l> malkauns: "sudo apt purge linux-image-4.4.0-31-generic linux-image-4.4.0-34-generic linux-image-4.4.0-36-generic"
[23:25] <malkauns> ok
[23:25] <kernello> hello everyone, in chromium does it delete existing bookmarks to import new ones (as it does in firefox) ?
[23:26] <malkauns> now the problem is its asking me to do apt-get -f install
[23:26] <malkauns> cos it half-installed something
[23:26] <kernello> tried and seen, it doesn't
[23:26] <malkauns> but i dont have space for the to even complete lol
[23:27] <tomreyn> kernello: i would not have known, you could ask such questions in #chromium
[23:27] <malkauns> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/Q3mFj6rA/
[23:27] <k1l> malkauns: "ls -al /boot | nc termbin.com 9999"
[23:28] <malkauns> http://termbin.com/3c3f
[23:28] <k1l> malkauns: and to be sure its not a own partition "df -h | nc termbin.com 9999"
[23:28] <kernello> ubuntu has chromium users, too, tomreyn
[23:28] <tomreyn> kernello: yes, i am one of them
[23:29] <k1l> kernello: iirc it puts them into a own subfolder. but i dont know if that is still the same.
[23:29] <malkauns> http://termbin.com/mpt6
[23:30] <k1l> malkauns: "sudo rm -rf /boot/initrd.img-4.4.0-31-generic"
[23:30] <tomreyn> or just rearrange you partition sizes
[23:30] <malkauns> hmm only 35mb
[23:30] <k1l> malkauns: that should give you some space. after that run my command to remove the packages of the kernels that will free more space
[23:30] <malkauns> tomreyn, cant really take the machine down
[23:31] <malkauns> k1l, ok will try that
[23:31] <tomreyn> malkauns: okay that's a pity.
[23:31] <kernello> k1l, yes, it looks bizarre indeed. it didnt heed to folders, didn't import some of them, and imported only part of the bookmarks
[23:32] <malkauns> damn, still no free space
[23:32] <malkauns> from apt-get -f install :(
[23:32] <k1l> malkauns: the thing in deleting with rm is just to get enough space to get apt running again
[23:32] <k1l> malkauns: can you show the output?
[23:33] <malkauns> http://termbin.com/moql
[23:33] <malkauns> then it says: E: You don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives/
[23:34] <k1l> "sudo rm -rf /boot/initrd.img-4.4.0-34-generic"
[23:35] <malkauns> same :(
[23:36] <k1l> what says df -h now?
[23:36] <tomreyn> those are qt widgets. if this is supposed to be a headless server then you seem to have installed unneccessary packages.
[23:36] <malkauns> k1l, same 0 space available
[23:36] <tomreyn> 'those' -> packages pending installation / upgrade
[23:36] <malkauns> on /dev/sda1
[23:37] <k1l> what is "uname -r"?
[23:37] <malkauns> 4.4.0-38-generic
[23:37] <k1l> you still can remove initrd.img-4.4.0-36-generic from /boot to get another 35mb.
[23:38] <malkauns> yay
[23:38] <malkauns> apt-get -f install now works :)
[23:38] <malkauns> thx
[23:39] <k1l> "sudo apt purge linux-image-4.4.0-31-generic linux-image-4.4.0-34-generic linux-image-4.4.0-36-generic"
[23:39] <malkauns> yea
[23:39] <th0r> malkauns, have you tried apt-get clean?
[23:39] <malkauns> 653mb jeez
[23:39] <malkauns> thx
[23:39] <malkauns> th0r yea, first thing i tried, didnt move much
[23:40] <malkauns> ok great got 683mb spare now
[23:40] <malkauns> thx guys! :)
[23:40] <k1l> malkauns: wait
[23:40] <malkauns> ?
[23:40] <k1l> you still can remove old header packages
[23:40] <kernello> thank you for your help!
[23:40] <kernello> have a good day
[23:40] <malkauns> k, how?
[23:40] <k1l> "dpkg -l | grep ii | grep linux-header| nc termbin.com 9999"
[23:41] <malkauns> http://termbin.com/01s7
[23:41] <k1l> sudo apt purge linux-headers-4.4.0-31* linux-headers-4.4.0-34* linux-headers-4.4.0-36*
[23:41] <malkauns> ok
[23:42] <k1l> deleting headers is important to get some inodes back :)
[23:42] <malkauns> nice, another 238mb :)
[23:42] <effectne-> hello in here
[23:43] <malkauns> thx a lot :)
[23:43] <malkauns> cya
[23:43] <effectne-> i keep losing the resolution settings on my second monitor
[23:56] <melina> hi