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[00:14] <acheronuk> mparillo: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/stable-phone-overlay/+packages?field.name_filter=calibre&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=
[00:14] <acheronuk> ^^^ calibre compiled against Qt 5.6 :)
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[00:26] <acheronuk> valorie: assuming that calibe works, we just copy across to our ppa.
[00:32] <acheronuk> valorie: I missed that from slangasek, and not sure how those merges work in practice to be honest. I shall find out
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[01:52] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: what's up with MoM?
[01:52] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: you tell me. I haven't dealt with it before
[01:54] <acheronuk> [06:21] <slangasek> acheronuk: there are now a number of Kubuntu packages listed on https://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html that I'm TIL on; is there a better plan for getting these up-to-date wrt Debian unstable than for me to merge them via MoM?
[01:55] <acheronuk> TIL?
[02:01] <acheronuk> yofe clivejo : do you have plans or usual plans for dealing with such a list of kubuntu stuff on MoM?
[02:01] <acheronuk> yofel I meant
[02:07] <valorie> acheronuk: at this point, http://calibre-ebook.com/download_linux still says: 
[02:07] <valorie> The latest release of calibre is 2.70.0. What's new.
[02:07] <valorie> Please do not use your distribution provided calibre package, as those are often buggy/outdated. Instead use the Binary install described below.
[02:07] <valorie> Binary install
[02:07] <valorie> calibre has a binary install that includes private versions of all its dependencies. It runs on 32-bit and 64-bit Intel compatible machines. 
[02:08] <acheronuk> valorie: I know, and that is what I do here.
[02:08] <acheronuk> Or I actually compile from source :P
[02:09] <valorie> I mean, we could get sources and compile and test....
[02:10] <acheronuk> calibre is a bit of a pain to compile sometimes, and worse to package by all accounts
[02:11] <acheronuk> the version in the overlay ppa is old, but matches the archive one for XX and presumably works.
[02:12] <acheronuk> and calibre gets version updates so frequently that not sure it's worth trying to keep up to date with in our ppas
[02:13] <acheronuk> especially as you point out there is an easy binary install script on th calibre site
[02:15] <valorie> I just install it each time I start reading stuff on my kindle again
[02:16] <acheronuk> I update it every so often, at least on machines I may read ebooks on
[02:18] <valorie> eh, I hate reading on the computer
[02:19] <valorie> kindle is better for books
[02:22] <acheronuk> yes, I should probably give in and get one
[02:26] <valorie> mine is old, and better than the new ones I think
[02:26] <valorie> not even touch screen
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[06:47] <soee> dirty COW :)
[06:47] <soee> o/
[08:03] <jimarvan> goooood morning kubuntians! :D
[08:22] <acheronuk> jimarvan: morning
[08:23] <acheronuk> clivejo: confirmed ktexteditor is fixed in zesty :)
[08:23] <jimarvan> :D
[08:25] <acheronuk> santa_: looks like you have been busy on those FW rebuilds for xenial backports. just armhf dep waits left by the looks of it
[08:44] <yofel> acheronuk: no, I don't really have a plan. 
[08:45] <yofel> I usually just fail at it because I try to do it overly perfect and end up taking way too much time
[08:48] <acheronuk> yofel: yes, when you have the number of packages we do, the amount of work to do a proper merge looks daunting!
[08:50] <acheronuk> another item to discuss when we manage to get most people together on BBB in the not too distant future then
[09:04] <acheronuk> ok. if we do want to merge stuff, I am prepared to invest some time in that. with help. if that is what we need to do that is.
[11:22] <soee> ahoneybun: Deus Ex: Mankind Divided Shipping For Linux In Two Weeks !!
[11:43] <santa_> acheronuk: yes, I think the kubuntu-retry-builds needs a bit of reworking
[11:44] <santa_> it takes too many options (you can find out the ppaname from the release type)
[11:44] <santa_> amrhf is skipped in a hardcoded fashion
[11:45] <kfunk> hmm, what's the state re. packaging Qt5WebEngine for 16.10? 
[11:45] <kfunk> google is being unhelpful
[11:46] <santa_> I also have the impression that you don't need the build logs to retry the builds, and that part of the code is just a legacy of very old times
[11:46] <santa_> and the --force and --forcedepwait behave in a weird fashion
[11:46] <santa_> they don't do what the help does they do
[11:47] <santa_> * they don't do what the help says they do
[11:47] <santa_> kfunk: it's being worked on
[12:20] <acheronuk> kfunk: QtWebEngine won't be in 16.10 apart from maybe in a backport ppa, as it's not even upstream in debian yet
[12:22] <acheronuk> santa_: I hadn't considered how that would behave on the enabled arches. makes sense what you say though
[12:22] <kfunk> ok, ty
[12:50] <yofel> you might as well rewrite that script from scratch, that was originally written to emulate the depwait auto-retry while that was disabled in LP for technical reasons, but then evolved into ... something
[14:50] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: QtWebEngine in Decembee/January for sure
[14:50] <tsimonq2> *December
[15:28] <jimarvan> see ya later boys :D
[16:30] <yofel> wtf of the day - lp 1635510
[16:30] <yofel> would be funny if it wasn't accurate
[16:40] <sgclark> lol
[16:40] <sgclark> sorry had to do ti
[17:16] <clivejo> anyone seen crogers about?
[18:37]  * acheronuk sets up a sid VM to look at debian's plasma 5.8
 how does Debian have 5.8? they don't have the kirigami libs for Discover
 they made that a hard dep
[18:52] <clivejo> https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/kde-extras/kirigami.git/
 last I heard debian did not have it
 Nice!
[18:54] <clivejo> http://kci.pangea.pub/job/merger_kirigami/
[18:55] <clivejo> we are building it in KCI too
[18:59]  * clivejo wonders can I upload that as a new package to zesty
[19:10] <acheronuk> https://ftp-master.debian.org/new/kirigami_1.1.0-1.html
[19:28] <clivejo> oh Launchpad.... where did you put my package!
[19:31] <clivejo> hummm rejected it!
[19:31] <clivejo> lovely
[19:32] <clivejo> santa_: why would the gbp-archive not be including the source?
[19:32] <blaze> my package is over the ocean, my package is over the sea, LP bring back, bring back my package to me
[19:32] <clivejo> Rejected:
[19:32] <clivejo> Unable to find kirigami_1.1.0.orig.tar.xz in upload or distribution.
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[19:39] <santa_> clivejo: if the package was alredy uploaded to the target it shouldn't include the source, can you give me the link to the git repo where you are tying to build please?
[19:39] <soee> zz will use Qt 5.7 ?
 Yes soee
[19:40] <acheronuk> soee: Qt 5.7 probably won't land until Jan/Feb
[19:40] <soee> :|
 Well I've been talking to Timo
 I'll be helping out with that
 And no, not February, it won't go that long
[19:41] <blaze> that's the time Qt5.8 already will be released
 When 5.7.1 gets released, we'll stage it, then we have to make sure everything builds
 Then test installability and such
 Then we move it into the archive
[19:43] <acheronuk> blaze: yep. sadly so
 soee, blaze: We don't put .0 releases into the archive. So 5.8 will wait until 5.8.1 comes out.
 Why, do you guys need something specific backported?
[19:47] <blaze> qtwebengine is too old, even with 5.7 being landed
 For Qt?
 I mean, for KDE?
[19:51] <blaze> qtwebengine 5.7 is based on chromium 49, and lacks some important features that already were implemented for 5.8
[19:52] <acheronuk> qupzilla?
[19:54] <blaze> yes, qupzilla's progress is suffering bacause of this stuff
 We're sorta SOL then unless you have specifics
 Well we'll get 5.8 eventually.
 It's not like it'll never happen
[19:56] <valorie> !info qupzilla
 Lubuntu would ship with it
[19:57] <valorie> blaze: what is the up-to-date version?
 It's not the version of Qupzilla that matters, it's Qt, valorie.
[19:59] <blaze> valorie: 2.0 is latest stable but it's not as good as 1.8.9
[19:59] <santa_> clivejo: nevermind, fixed in master, thanks for reporting that
 How so?
[19:59] <valorie> I know that we all want a more up-to-date Qt
[20:00] <valorie> because of Plasma if nothing else
 But I hear a lot of things break with .0
 So it's good to wait
[20:02] <valorie> agreed, @tsimonq2
[20:13] <blaze> sometimes I think that it would be better to work on some toolkit-agnostic interface to WebKit
[20:15] <blaze> but instead we have qtwebengine, qtwebkit-ng, qtwebkit (discontinued) only for Qt
[20:18] <blaze> also forgot to mention khtml which is suspended
[20:18] <blaze> that's a mess, not happy with it indeed :\
 Huh?
[20:19] <valorie> it all starts with optimization, and just continues
[20:39] <santa_> acheronuk: about the staging ppas I'm going to edit its dependencies; this way we won't have to copy frameworks to the plasma staging ppa and such
[20:39] <acheronuk> clivejo: ^^^
[20:40] <santa_> also we can enable or disable the dependencies depending on what we want to do
[20:44] <acheronuk> I assumed there was some reason that was not already done as a matter of course, but it does make sense as long as you remember to check and make a note of what the dependency setting are each time you stage somthing
[20:45] <acheronuk> ahh. Friday :)
[20:45]  * acheronuk opens a beer
[20:56] <santa_> same here
[20:56] <santa_> good nigh o/
[20:56] <santa_> * night
[20:56] <valorie> niters santa_
[20:56] <valorie> sweet dreams
[20:59] <santa_> not going to sleep actually :|
[20:59] <santa_> but thanks valorie :)
[21:00] <valorie> have a nice evening then
[21:00] <valorie> :-)
[21:32] <mparillo> One problem with Qupzilla in the Ubuntu Repos is that spelling does not seem to work: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qupzilla/+bug/1440743
[21:34] <mparillo> And now in Manjaro stable (Application version 2.0.1; QtWebEngine version 5.7.0) it is broken again.
[21:35] <mparillo> Apparently it is waiting on Qt 5.8 that provides Spellchecking with Hunspell
 Yeah I was alway told not to enable the other PPAs
 And to kopy the packages needed
 I can see the logic in that, as it keeps everything built/dependant on each other together.  Easier to keep track of, and when eventually ready to copy over to landing etc you don't have to assemble a bits from several sources. A bit brute force method, but less susceptible to mistakes.
[22:14] <clivejo> also helps understand the three components by keeping them separate
[22:15] <clivejo> like a cascading workflow 
 pros and cons on both
 mm odd: https://alpha.wallhaven.cc/tag/52290
 not sure if that is legal
[22:55] <valorie> interesting, ahoneybun
[22:55] <valorie> you might want to twig the VDG onto that site so they can check it out
[22:57] <ahoneybun> yea