[03:29] <dudz1> HI!, I'm trying to install Lubuntu 16.10 using full disk encryption, however my attempts at doing this through the installer have failed because of swap space detection which is picking up the swap created by the installer its self, not anything on my physical media devices.
[03:30] <lynorian> dudz1, are you using a desktop image?
[03:30] <dudz1> I have tried running in the live mode but this presents another problem, this time with LVM, lvm2 is not installed, so i apt install lvm2 but this doesn't help.
[03:30] <dudz1> i am yes.
[03:31] <lynorian> dudz1, have you tried unmounting the zram swap devices
[03:31] <dudz1> swapoff -a ?
[03:31] <dudz1> never heard of zram until you typed it just now
[03:31] <lynorian> dudz, it is a kernel module to help the live system work on lower end systems
[03:32] <dudz1> excellent
[03:32] <dudz1> no i have not touched that one, but when i use the installer i have no shell anyway
[03:33] <lynorian> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zram
[03:33] <dudz1> yep i'm at that link now.
[03:33] <dudz1> but my problem i'm seeking advice with is howto unmount during the installer, not through the live cd instance.
[03:34] <dudz1> can we include this fix in the next revision of lubuntu
[03:34] <lynorian> ok this may sound strange but go with me open firefox from right clicking not on the installer
[03:35] <lynorian> then type file:///home and right click save link as on a file in there
[03:35] <dudz1> this is something to try from the installer or from the livecd?
[03:36] <lynorian> from the installer
[03:36] <lynorian> or you could install from live instance
[03:36] <dudz1> ok so i'm not in the installer right now as i have not got a 2nd computer to use at the moment
[03:36] <lynorian> from live cd just open a terminal
[03:37] <lynorian> and unmount the swap device after installing from there
[03:37] <dudz1> i can't install, before that step the installer exits with an error about swap
[03:38] <lynorian> or unmount swap then hit the install lubuntu part
[03:39] <dudz1> there are also very limited file system options available with the installer, i'm trying to match the requirements but so far for anyone who is installing lubuntu for the first time, and trying out encryption, they don't have this option.
[03:40] <dudz1> because the installer comes with a swap space, and the encryption has a built in check to detect unencrypted swap space and exit when exists
[03:40] <dudz1> the option is there as a checkbox tick box, but any user trying to use the tickbox aproach to installing will be unable to choose this option.
[03:41] <lynorian> dudz or you can try the alternate installer
[03:41] <dudz1> so as far as usabilty is concerned, that option is not there it is only visable on the screen for some reason other than to be used.
[03:41] <dudz1> yes i have not tried the alternative installer yet
[03:41] <lynorian> think full disk works there
[03:42] <dudz1> wonderful, thanks i'll try that one.
[03:42] <lynorian> or it comes with an unmount message
[03:43] <dudz1> downloading the alternative iso version now.
[03:46] <dudz1> i am trying to migrate from ubuntu 16.04 -> lubuntu 16.10 because i have been strugling to justify all the open background processess that come with ubuntu
[03:47] <dudz1> i can handle the extra use, my computer is a Intel NUC5i7RYH but i don't like my cpu fan spinning up each time an update comes out.
[03:48] <dudz1> this is not ubuntu's fault, i think this is more intels fault with putting a small fan on an i7 chip
[03:49] <dudz1> just got 40minutes to kill while i wait for the iso to download, the typical idea here is for me to go get a coffee right?
[03:49] <dudz1> but then once i get one, i need to t ype large volumes of text somewhere, hope its alright that i do that here.
[03:55] <dudz1> ok so i've got a coffee now lynorian
[03:57] <dudz1> so actually, say i wanted to skip the installer, can i install with a method like debootstrap ?
[03:59] <dudz1> the default /boot partition size is 500mb right?
[04:00] <dudz1> I had a small boot partition with my last ubuntu install, that was another contributing factor to make the move, but this is standard it seams
[04:02] <dudz1> I have 16GB ram though and this is a desktop machine that i don't use for gaming or databases, so i shouldn't really need swap at all imo
[04:03] <dudz1> having swap would create un-neccessary ssd i/o
[04:08] <lynorian> dudz1, I don't know about debootstrap so can't help you with that
[04:08] <lynorian> dudz yeah you will not swap much with 16 GB of ram
[04:08] <lynorian> unless you run like lubuntu in itself 4 or 5 times or an obscene number of browser tabs
[04:09] <dudz1> yep i might in the future like to run virtual machines,
[04:09] <dudz1> for now i have no need for it
[04:10] <lynorian> I honestly don't like seperate /boot as it can get full and leave maybe seperate / and maybe /home
[04:10] <dudz1> thats the issue i was having with ubuntu, i had a 500mb /boot and it got full after a few months of kernel updates
[04:10] <Jbmorris289> Hello.
[04:10] <dudz1> i think its needed to have a seperate /boot when your using full disk encryption.
[04:11] <Jbmorris289> I have a slight problem with power management... The screen isn't able to stay blank
[04:13] <dudz1> your monitor will turn its self off after a period of time it considers inactive ?
[04:14] <Jbmorris289> "xset dpms force off" Turns off the screen, but it turns right back on for some reason.
[04:14] <Jbmorris289> I'm not sure why this happens, but when it tuns on, the notification for the brightness level shows right after. I already have this problem posted on the launchpad.
[04:14] <Jbmorris289> dudz1: not sure
[04:14] <Jbmorris289> I think so?
[04:14] <dudz1> what are you trying to do Jbmorris289 ?,
[04:16] <Jbmorris289> dudz1: Well, recently I've noticed something. When my screen is turned off by the power manager (power saving settings), it turns on. I'm trying to find out what's causing this
[04:16] <Jbmorris289> tuns back on*
[04:17] <Jbmorris289> ... ^ Not correcting
[04:25] <dudz1> 2minutes for me then i try alternative isp
[04:25] <dudz1> *iso
[04:36] <dudz1> hi BWMerlin nice hostname
[04:36] <dudz1> <-- Australian
[04:36] <dudz1> English Australian, not indian Australian.
[04:37] <dudz1> we friends now BWMerlin ?
[04:38] <dudz1> ok i'll brb, going to try this alternative iso
[05:35] <Jbmorris289> Hm... Well I also have WinXP on this netbook(still), and it has a program which allows me to manually turn off the screen, and it works no problem, so it definitely isn't my Screen
[05:36] <dudz1> right!, Hello
[05:36] <dudz1> I would like to report my success using the Alternative ISO method of installing lubuntu 16.10 with full disk encryption.
[05:36] <dudz1> the filesystem manager provided with the alternative install contains much more options than the graphical installer
[05:37] <dudz1> also the ability to spawn a shell during the installer, rather than opening a terminal emulator from the live cd is much nicer.
[05:38] <dudz1> Thank you for all your help during my installation <person who i've forgotten your nickname>
[05:39] <dudz1> everything in the world is great, it's a nice place to live again, thanks lubuntu team!
[05:40] <dudz1> Next problem!: Somone else experiencing connection problems for the au.archive.ubuntu.com ?
[05:40] <dudz1> Err:77 http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu yakkety-backports/main amd64 Packages   403  Forbidden [IP: 202.158.214.106 80]
[05:42] <pleia2> has yakkety-backports been enabled yet? it just came out
[05:43] <dudz1> that was the last of several errors i was recieving, though that might explain why yakkety-backports is failing, i have connection problems with main and all the others from my source.list
[06:50] <dudz1> au.archive.ubuntu.com has returned
[09:18] <laumag> I NEED HELP
[09:19] <laumag> i have some problems installing lubuntu...
[15:13] <xsmltx> Hi, I use this command 'echo 0 > /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness' to set the lowest brightness, tell me please is there any way to force even more to go lower with the brightness please? Thank you.
[16:04] <xsmltx> http://askubuntu.com/questions/839931/gnome-terminal-doesnt-start-any-more-after-auto-login-to-x or http://askubuntu.com/questions/838781/right-click-for-synaptics-and-for-the-touch-screen-doesnt-work
[18:54] <Ahmuck> was the printer subsystem / dameon changed n 16.10 ?
[19:11] <xsmltx> Hi, anyone can help me with these two topics please? http://askubuntu.com/questions/839931/gnome-terminal-doesnt-start-any-more-after-auto-login-to-x or http://askubuntu.com/questions/838781/right-click-for-synaptics-and-for-the-touch-screen-doesnt-work Thank you.
[19:19] <Ahmuck> the printer is working via cups, hplip and hplip-gui.  however the printer configuration icon and systray in 16.04 seems to have disappeared in 16.10.
[19:20] <Ahmuck> i happened to be here today at my parent's home after the upgrade
[22:10] <Jbmorris289> I'm back
[22:10] <Jbmorris289> Still with that screen problem
[22:10] <Jbmorris289> Any solutions to attempt?