[00:24] <anon-desktop> Hi everyone
[00:24] <ouroumov__> hi anon-desktop
[00:26] <anon-desktop> It's my third day with ubuntu mate
[00:26] <ouroumov__> anon-desktop, how do you like it so far?
[00:33] <anon-desktop> Just used windows10 for my job
[00:33] <anon-desktop> photoshop does not run properly on linux even using wine
[00:33] <anon-desktop> same for illustrator... etc
[00:33] <anon-desktop> now i have one project on mind and started with ubuntu mate in my laptop
[00:33] <anon-desktop> already set p tor daemon, firefox going through tor net, the same for IRC...
[00:33] <anon-desktop> adn still looking for more security xD
[00:36] <anon-desktop> First time on IRC, how do you talked to me, wich command did you use? please
[01:06] <ouroumov_> anon-desktop, I didn't use any command
[01:06] <ouroumov_> anon-desktop, I'm using the default IRC client that comes with Ubuntu MATE: hexchat
[01:06] <anon-desktop> yes
[01:06] <anon-desktop> i mean to use my name in your massage referring to me
[01:06] <anon-desktop> just writing my name or any command
[01:08] <ouroumov_> I'm just writing your name :)
[01:09] <ouroumov_> And the message goes to everyone connected on the channel, not only you
[01:16] <jughead> how to turn off overscan rpi3?
[01:24] <anon-desktop> thanks for the info
[05:24] <concubicycle> soup
[07:02] <mate|44556> installing right now :D
[07:02] <mate|44556> Triple booting MATE Windows(slackware lol) and Mac OS X
[07:04] <mate|44556> Does GRUB support Mac OS X or will I have to install CLOVER
[07:08] <mate|44556> :( guess no ones on
[07:12] <mate|44556> hi
[07:37] <mate|56007> how do i install the latest version of flash?
[07:38] <alkisg> mate|56007: which version do you have now?
[07:38] <mate|56007> the standard on desktop here. it is a web site compalining about not having te latest version
[07:39] <mate|56007> i tried to install last time and it gave me a error, package does not exist
[07:39] <mate|56007> can try again today
[07:39] <alkisg> Firefox has flash 11, chromium has the latest one
[07:39] <alkisg> In the near future, firefox will also get the latest one in Linux, because adobe recently published it
[07:40] <mate|56007> just tried chrome; the web site gave me same message. please install latest version of flash
[07:40] <alkisg> Go to about flash and check your version
[07:40] <mate|56007> i cannot downloadn and install, can I?
[07:40] <alkisg> http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/
[07:41] <alkisg> Go there with chromium
[07:41] <alkisg> Which version does that say there?
[07:41] <alkisg> http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/
[07:42] <alkisg> For me, it says: You have version 23,0,0,185 installed
[07:42] <alkisg> That's the very latest one
[07:43] <mate|56007> it does not say the version. just we only work on latest version and the same message appears both on chrome and firefox
[07:43] <alkisg> If it doesn't say the version, then you don't have flash installed
[07:44] <alkisg> What's the output of this? dpkg -l '*flash*' | grep ^ii
[07:46] <mate|56007> i dont see the same message. how do i install it?
[07:46] <alkisg> Open a terminal and copy/paste the command that I gave you, and then paste its output here.
[07:57] <mate|56007> sorry mate, i am struggling to copy and paste your command. i am on a mac
[07:58] <alkisg> Select the command and then go to the terminal and press middle mouse click, or both left+right click if you don't have a wheel
[07:58] <alkisg> Or go to the paste menu. Or just type it. :)
[08:00] <mate|56007> ii  flashplugin-installer  11.2.202.637ubuntu0.16.04.1 amd64        Adobe Flash Player plugin installer
[08:00] <alkisg> That's the wrong one, and that's why you don't have flash in chromium-browser
[08:00] <alkisg> You need to enable the partner repository, and install adobe-flashplugin
[08:01] <mate|56007> how do i fix this i just installed it from the ubuntu software centre
[08:02] <alkisg> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Chromium/Getting-Partner-Flash
[08:19] <mate|69167> i tried all links you have sent,could not install flash
[08:20] <alkisg> mate|69167: what was the error message?
[08:21] <mate|69167> any help in installing  flash plugin for chrome
[08:21] <alkisg> Did you try to follow the wiki page with the instructions?
[08:21] <alkisg> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Chromium/Getting-Partner-Flash
[08:21] <mate|69167> yes did
[08:21] <alkisg> And which step was not successful?
[08:21] <mate|69167> does it make a difference that i am on the free aws
[08:22] <alkisg> I have no idea what aws does, ask them
[08:22] <mate|69167> i could click onthe partner software and from there onwards nothing worked
[08:22] <alkisg> Which step of the wiki page had a problem?
[08:22] <mate|69167> the search did not even returnadobe-flash in it
[08:23] <mate|69167> can you please send me link again
[08:23] <alkisg> I just did, see 10 lines above
[08:23] <mate|69167> all my wndows crashed and had to log out (oh sorry)
[08:27] <ouroumov_> I wasn't aware there was a flash plugin for chrome
[08:27] <ouroumov_> Isn't chrome shipping with its own version of flash?
[08:28] <alkisg> ouroumov_, in chrome it's shipped by the package, while in chromium it's separate
[08:28] <alkisg> It's the same pepper-flash-plugin.so file in both cases
[08:28] <alkisg> And nowadays both the npapi and ppapi version are in the same adobe-flashplugin.deb from the partner repository
[08:29] <alkisg> the npapi is in version 11, while the ppapi one in version 23
[08:29] <alkisg> In the near future, adobe will publish the 23 version for the npapi plugin as well
[08:29] <alkisg> So, long story short, the correct instructions for flash are in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Chromium/Getting-Partner-Flash
[08:30] <alkisg> (because there are many old pages out there suggesting the wrong flashplugin-installer)
[08:58] <mate|69167> fail at 1d(2) (sorry had to go away)
[09:02] <mate|69167> for some reason i am getting authentication errors at this time, although i have logged into my session twice with same password
[09:07] <ouroumov_> mate|69167, check you're using the correct keyboard layout
[09:07] <ouroumov_> You should have a language switch thingie somewhere on the lightdm screen
[09:28] <DagDaWildDog> W: The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/kernel-ppa/ppa/ubuntu yakkety Release' does not have a Release file.
[09:28] <DagDaWildDog> is that bad?
[09:28] <DagDaWildDog> I'm on ubuntu-mate 16.10
[09:29] <DagDaWildDog> it also causes E: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/kernel-ppa/ppa/ubuntu/dists/yakkety/main/binary-amd64/Packages  404  Not Found
[09:33] <dumpchama> hi... i have this problem where after about 10min or so the MATE environment becomes unresponsive to mouse clicks / keyboard etc, and I have to do ctrl+alt+f1 to fix it
[09:33] <dumpchama> how can I find the cause of the problem?
[09:40] <ouroumov_> DagDaWildDog, sup
[09:40] <ouroumov_> DagDaWildDog, try and run the "Fixes" from the software boutique
[09:41] <DagDaWildDog> on it
[09:41] <ouroumov_> dumpchama, hi
[09:41] <DagDaWildDog> thanks!
[09:41] <dumpchama> hi
[09:42] <ouroumov_> dumpchama, are you using Compiz? And what version of UM?
[09:42] <DagDaWildDog> ah, it also says it in fixes. "E:The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/kernel-ppa/ppa/ubuntu yakkety Release' does not have a Release file."
[09:42] <dumpchama> i have compiz installed but i'm not sure if it's "active"
[09:42] <dumpchama> also using 16.04 of UM
[09:42] <ouroumov_> DagDaWildDog, weird
[09:47] <ouroumov_> DagDaWildDog, maybe report it on the forum
[09:47] <DagDaWildDog> ok, will do
[09:47] <ouroumov_> I'm sorry I don't have the time to dig deep, I'm supposed to be listening to a conference
[09:50] <DagDaWildDog> it is okay, it doesn't seem to be causing problems!
[09:51] <DagDaWildDog> it's just weird
[09:51] <alkisg> DagDaWildDog: what are the contents of that file? /etc/apt/sources.list.d/your-ppa.list
[09:52] <alkisg> or, what are the results of this command: grep -r kernel-ppa /etc/apt/sources.list*
[09:53] <alkisg> dumpchama: when that happens, switch to alt+ctrl+f1, and check the output of `dmesg`, and the contents of /var/log/Xorg.*.log
[09:54] <DagDaWildDog> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23373724/
[09:54] <dumpchama> alkisg: ok
[09:54] <dumpchama> I will remember that in case it happens again
[09:54] <alkisg> DagDaWildDog: this repository doesn't publish anything for yakkety yet: http://ppa.launchpad.net/kernel-ppa/ppa/ubuntu/dists/
[09:54] <DagDaWildDog> oops, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23373728/
[09:54] <alkisg> How did you add it?
[09:54] <alkisg> Or, why?
[09:55] <DagDaWildDog> because 4.8.0.22 works and 4.8.0.26 doesn't, so I downloaded 4.8.1 generic
[09:55] <alkisg> DagDaWildDog: so you added it trying to find the kernel there, but it wasn't there, and you downloaded the kernel from elsewhere?
[09:55] <DagDaWildDog> spent a few hours yesterday tryong to make .26 work and gave up
[09:56] <DagDaWildDog> oh, maybe so
[09:56] <DagDaWildDog> no need for that ppa then I guess?
[09:56] <DagDaWildDog> I tried a lot ;f things
[09:56] <alkisg> In any case, that repository has nothing at all for yaketty
[09:56] <alkisg> So nothing for you there, delete it
[09:56] <DagDaWildDog> okay, thanks
[09:56] <alkisg> np
[09:57] <DagDaWildDog> when mate reaches 4.8.1 will mine get updated to the ubuntu mate version? or will I remain on generic?
[09:57] <DagDaWildDog> it's working fine, just curious
[09:57] <alkisg> It depends on what you did to install the previous version
[09:58] <alkisg> What's the output of this? dpkg -l '*linux*' | grep ^ii
[09:58] <DagDaWildDog> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23373738/
[09:58] <alkisg> These are the available kernels for yakkety: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=yakkety&keywords=linux-image-generic
[09:58] <alkisg> OK so now you have 3 kernels, and you say that only one of them works, the 4.8.1 one?
[09:59] <DagDaWildDog> .22 works as well, but it won't auto-boot to .22 because .26 is newer
[09:59] <DagDaWildDog> that's why I got .1
[09:59] <alkisg> You can change the grub menu easily
[09:59] <alkisg> And default to .22
[09:59] <alkisg> Or, you can remove the .26 and keep the stock one
[10:00] <alkisg> When a kernel > 4.8.1 is installed by ubuntu, then it will default to that one
[10:01] <DagDaWildDog> hm, at this point I think it's probably good to let that happen when it happens then (based on vague idea of 4.8.1 probably being better than 4.8.0.22 in some way)
[10:01] <DagDaWildDog> how can I remove .26 just in case?
[10:01] <alkisg> It's best to have a maintained kernel, from some repository that gets security updates
[10:01] <DagDaWildDog> ah, so you would use 0.22 and delete both 0.26 and .1.0?
[10:02] <alkisg> If you apt-get purge the .26 one, it will also remove the linux-image-generic metapackage, and you won't get newer kernels, and will keep the .22 one
[10:02] <alkisg> Personally I would change the grub menu
[10:02] <alkisg> So that I would default to .22, and then when some newer one is out, I would manually test via grub the newer one, and if it's ok, then I would delete the .22
[10:03] <alkisg> One very easy hack for you: sudo rm /boot/vmlinuz-26; sudo update-grub :)
[10:03] <DagDaWildDog> how would you notice the newer one came out?
[10:03] <alkisg> Automatic updates
[10:03] <alkisg> It would automatically appear on grub menu
[10:03] <DagDaWildDog> ah, ok
[10:04] <alkisg> Actually the rm hack is better because when a new kernel is out, you will default to that one immediately and see if the issue is fixed
[10:04] <alkisg> So yup I suggest that you apt-get purge the 4.8.1, you rm /boot/vmlinuz-26, and then update-grub
[10:04] <DagDaWildDog> okay, cool, will do!
[10:05] <alkisg> np
[10:06] <DagDaWildDog> how about cp /boot/*26* /home/kernelbak/ and then rm those
[10:06] <alkisg> No need, you can just apt-get install --reinstall
[10:06] <alkisg> Don't remove everything there; just the vmlinuz-26 file
[10:06] <DagDaWildDog> ah, ok
[10:06] <alkisg> Then it will disappear from the grub menu
[10:06] <alkisg> (after update-grub)
[10:07] <alkisg> sudo rm /boot/vmlinuz-4.8.0-26-generic; sudo update-grub
[10:07] <alkisg> Something like that
[10:07] <alkisg> (after purging the 4.8.1 package)
[10:07] <DagDaWildDog> I regret making /boot/ only 200 mb , oh well :)
[10:07]  * alkisg hates separate boot partitions :D
[10:08] <DagDaWildDog> I did it using the Gentoo guide because I hate how auto partition usually puts /home/ on the fast part of the disk
[10:08] <DagDaWildDog> and / and swap go later
[10:09] <alkisg> It does?!
[10:09] <alkisg> Generally, /home should be on the fast part of the disk
[10:09] <alkisg> But I don't think Ubuntu does a separate /home by default
[10:09] <alkisg> It just creates a / and a swap
[10:09] <DagDaWildDog> well if you choose separate home
[10:09] <DagDaWildDog> maybe actually ubuntu doesn't
[10:09] <DagDaWildDog> I tried Debian first
[10:09] <alkisg>  / is mostly read-only so it's cached so it doesn't need to be fast
[10:09] <alkisg> and swap should not be used at all by default, so it doesn't need to be fast
[10:10] <DagDaWildDog> nothing worked in debian, so here we are in ubuntu
[10:10] <alkisg> So /home is the partition that needs to be the faster one
[10:10] <DagDaWildDog> interesting, okay
[10:10] <alkisg> Debian/Ubuntu is basically the same, just the painting is different...
[10:10] <DagDaWildDog> I think of /home as storage and / as where programs launch from so I want it fast
[10:11] <DagDaWildDog> well in Debian even with contrib nonfree, drivers were a disaster
[10:11] <DagDaWildDog> spent a few hours tryong to get wifi
[10:11] <DagDaWildDog> using an ethernet cable of course, not disks
[10:11] <DagDaWildDog> pop in ubuntu CD, bang everything works
[10:11] <alkisg> Yeah it does have some packages that are not installed by default and you need to look for them
[10:12] <DagDaWildDog> I think video driver was also minor trouble, but I got that sorted
[10:12] <alkisg> it's nothing hard, just an apt-get install away, but it can be very frustrating for users that don't know which ones they are
[10:12] <alkisg> Mostly proprietary firmware files
[10:13] <DagDaWildDog> yeah, i installed so many drivers
[10:14] <DagDaWildDog> it's Killer Wireless on alienware 15, I debated maybe copying the drivers from this install, over to debian, but why leave a system that's working mostly fine
[10:15] <alkisg> lspci --nn -k | grep -A2 Wireless => shows you the driver in use
[10:15] <alkisg> And then in the debian package search, you search for that firmware
[10:15] <alkisg> You almost never need to copy drivers, you just need to install them from the debian/ubuntu repositories
[10:17] <DagDaWildDog> ah, yes
[10:17] <DagDaWildDog> ath10k
[10:17] <DagDaWildDog> I totally downloaded that!
[10:18] <DagDaWildDog> I must have installed it wrong
[10:18] <DagDaWildDog> who knows
[10:18] <DagDaWildDog> it wasn't in the repository though afaik
[10:18] <DagDaWildDog> just ath9something
[10:18] <dumpchama> alkisg: i have xorg.0: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23373843/ and xorg.1: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23373845/
[10:19] <dumpchama> also I tried dmesg but i'm not sure what to be looking for in that either?
[10:22] <DagDaWildDog> dumpchama, you are usually looking for lines with (EE) in them
[10:31] <dumpchama> that's strange, I used search function for EE and there are no results...
[10:31] <dumpchama> other than the start which says that EE is for error
[10:33] <DagDaWildDog> ah, dang. I had that once. ended up the error was in an unexpected file... but maybe you're not having a true full strength Error that gets an EE in the log. I hope more experienced persons have ideas for you
[10:34] <DagDaWildDog> in my case, I did have an (EE) it just was in a different file than the two I was looking in
[10:35] <DagDaWildDog> (brb, restarting to older kernel... say a prayer for me :)
[11:35] <manjaro> alkisg, bad idea to purge 4.8.1
[11:35] <manjaro> now I have to get it back, without a gui :P
[11:35] <manjaro> .22 can't start lightdm or x or something now either haha
[13:28] <linuxtux> hola
[15:24] <Jakey3> how do i remove programs in ubuntu mate 16.04 in the gui?
[15:27] <Jakey3> I can see software boutique but I cant see how to unistall software
[15:27] <nomic> use synaptic
[15:27] <nomic> tool .. you right click on a package & select "remove , remove all files"
[15:28] <nomic> synaptic (to install) = sudo apt-get install synaptic
[15:28] <nomic> synaptic = simple, overall package management index
[15:28] <nomic> search for the package in search bar, click to install, remove
[15:28] <Jakey3> nomic,  so there is nothing to remove applications that comes with ubuntu mate
[15:28] <Jakey3> i.e. software boutique
[15:28] <nomic> that is what i use, what I am aware of -- I have no idea what software boutique is
[15:28] <nomic> sorry
[15:29] <nomic> ask either in #ubuntu (more populous), or on the forum -- the forum is extremely busy
[15:29] <nomic> = ubuntu forums, mate forums
[15:29] <Jakey3> ok thanks
[15:30] <nomic> people tend ot use a subset (older users) -- I am unaware of any "features" , really,  -- I use the simple, most basic facilities, fundamental -- of which "synaptic" is one.  Always there, always works
[15:31] <nomic> bells n whistles do not interest me .. why I like mate/xubuntu -- the OS is not an issue, it is unfussy
[15:31] <nomic> none of this periodic upheaval (as with windows)
[15:35] <Jakey3> nomic, im using lubuntu previously they had the software center
[15:35] <Jakey3> made it easy to unistall programs
[15:35] <Jakey3> i was wondering if there is an equivalent
[15:35] <Jakey3> on mate
[16:17] <jaythelinuxguy> Jakey3, as nomic mentioned, Synaptic is your best bet for what you're seeking.
[16:40] <josemi85> hola
[16:40] <Jakey3> jaythelinuxguy, ok
[18:28] <vkadam> Hell
[18:28] <vkadam> Hello Everyone
[18:40] <jaythelinuxguy> Hi vkadam