[00:58] <Acou_Bass> ook, im not sure if im doing something dumb here... xD trying to get the owncloud accounts in ubuntu touch to work, but all it does is tell me my password is incorrect (99.9% sure it isnt...)
[02:10] <hello> Hi there
[02:15] <hello> xamarin iOS Simulator for ubuntu
[02:54] <hello> ??
[03:16] <hello> hi
[07:22] <SWAT> I'm curious about the update policy of ubuntu touch. Currently (with Android) I'm often confronted with no updates from a vendor after a device has aged approximately 1.5 years. Custom ROMs will need to be built to spec and also often stop being updated after a short while. How's that with ubuntu touch? Is there a generic codebase, which is updated, and in turn will cause even older devices to receive p
[07:22] <SWAT> roper updates? This would be great ;-)
[07:26] <krowv> ubuntu touch needs android as a host
[07:27] <krowv> The ubuntu part of ubuntu phone runs in lxc container on top of android
[07:32] <r0kk3rz> this means kernel updates become tricky, which influences other things
[07:33] <SWAT> krowv, r0kk3rz: thanks, that's what I wanted to know :)
[08:26] <m0n5t3r> dunno about this, on my phone android is put away in a container and ubuntu is the main system :P
[10:22] <Acou_Bass> SWAT: not sure if this helps answer your question, but im running a nexus 4 (if i remember correctly, it was one of the first device to have ubuntu touch ported to it) and i still get OTA updates without a hitch - ubuntu's components are seperate enough from all the android stuff that i guess updates dont break stuff as readily xD
[12:35] <dobey> krowv: you got that backward. android is the bit in the container, inside ubuntu. :)
[14:13] <jgdx> seb128, hey, who worked on the Display part of unity control center? Or, who's the main contact for that panel?
[14:14] <dobey> jgdx: mostly it's just the upstream gnome code i think
[14:17] <dobey> popey: hey. do you own the terminal app? or know who does?
[14:19] <popey> dobey: wassup?
[14:19] <dobey> popey: just wondering who to prod to see about bumping some bug priorities there
[14:20] <popey> the problem is we just don't have anyone working on it
[14:20] <dobey> oh :(
[14:20] <popey> might have to speak nicely to bfiller to see if he has someone who can help
[14:23] <dobey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-terminal-app/+bug/1627485 is especially annoying for us developers
[14:23] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1627485 in Ubuntu Terminal App "Keyboard shortcuts starting from Ctrl is missed in Terminal App" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[14:24] <popey> dobey: tbh I think we need a geeky keyboard layout, Elleo may be able to help there
[14:25] <popey> which omits the bar above the keyboard, but just has everything in it that's missing like esc, ctrl, tab etc
[14:25] <dobey> popey: this is with a hardware keyboard. i don't care as much about the toolbar things (prefer to hide all that if possible)
[14:26] <Elleo> popey: yeah, I had a chat with jouni about that a while back, once we finally get the move to skeyer finished I think we can potentially add some API to allow apps to define custom keyboards (since they'll effectively just be JSON layouts then)
[14:26] <dobey> hmm, might need to file a "no way to remap caps lock to ctrl" bug for mir too
[14:27] <dobey> Elleo, popey: custom per-app layouts is all fine and dandy, but doesn't help with hardware integration :)
[14:27] <Elleo> dobey: ah, right
[14:28] <dobey> this bug is specifically about hw keyboards usage
[14:29] <popey> ah
[14:29] <jgdx> dobey, okay, thanks!
[14:29] <dobey> jgdx: np. i think our forked version just adds a couple unity-specific things like the launcher placement and sticky edges
[14:35] <Jakey3> is it possible to run android apps on ubuntu phone?
[14:35] <rap_hael> I don't think so
[14:36] <Jakey3> im sure it would help with user adoption
[14:36] <Jakey3> for example my banking app i can use on android and iphone
[14:36] <Jakey3> would be nice if i could have that on ubuntu touch
[14:37] <brunch875> Guys, have you seen this? https://developers.google.com/web/progressive-web-apps/
[14:39] <mcphail> Jakey3: not possible, I'm afraid
[14:40] <brunch875> does utouch have any eyes on this 'progressive web app' thing?
[14:41] <brunch875> hopefully it becomes a new standard and "android apps" disappear altogether
[14:43] <mcphail> brunch875: I've seen aquarius mention it, but I don't think he is online just now
[14:43] <pmcgowan> seems like it should "just work"
[14:43] <dobey> pmcgowan: ?
[14:43] <brunch875> it looks very promising
[14:44] <dobey> eh, web apps leave way too much to be desired; even progressive ones
[16:03] <patarr> Hello. Is there an Ubuntu-touch development channel?
[16:04] <ogra_> you are in it
[16:04] <patarr> Ah, the Ubuntu Wiki stated it as a support channel.
[16:05] <mcphail> patarr: there's also #ubuntu-app-devel
[16:05] <patarr> I wanted to pop in and ask some of the devs to see if something like Ubuntu Touch's Android LXC container was possible on a stock Ubuntu 14.04 LTS system
[16:06] <patarr> To be more specific, docker instead of LXC
[16:06] <popey> on a desktop? for what purpose?
[16:06] <patarr> popey: to essentially repurpose an X86 small form factor machine into an Android machine, without having to install something like Android-x86 on it
[16:08] <mcphail> patarr: I think the only android bits are the drivers, which you'd have on a normal install anyway
[16:08] <patarr> Out of curiosity, why does Ubuntu touch run android containerized? I know Sailfish OS does it so you can run APKs on their system. Is this also the intended purpose? Parusing the Ubuntu-touch website, I can't find any references to this kind of functionality
[16:08] <ogra_> sailfish doesnt do that
[16:09] <ogra_> the run aliendalvik *additionally*
[16:09] <ogra_> ubuntu could do that too
[16:09] <ogra_> that has nothing to do with the driver layer
[16:09] <ogra_> s/the run/they run/
[16:10] <ogra_> the lxc container is solely to run hardware bits ... and lxc was picked because you need to have communication on a very low level between the container content and the host OS to actually make proper use of the drivers
[16:10] <ogra_> i dont think that would be possible with docker
[16:11] <ogra_> we could have gone the sailfish way to mix-mash the two OSes but that ends up in a maintenance nightmare
[16:12] <ogra_> (and you will not have any more security than a plain android has with that approach, since all your android daemons and drivers run natively ion the host)
[16:18] <patarr> ogra_: you're using Android for the drivers? I thought that you were booting Ubuntu's initrd? So how does that work?
[16:20] <ogra_> patarr, you boot to a headless ubuntu ... then spawn the container that initializes all the blob drivers, sets up shared sockets etc
[16:20] <ogra_> on a higher level you talk to the container via libhybris then
[16:21] <ogra_> that way you can use all android blobs, codecs and whatever but keep them safely in a sandbox, separate from your host ...
[16:23] <ogra_> that makes stuff like stagefright a lot less scary ;)
[16:24] <ogra_> indeed it comes with a small penalty, your boot gets slowed down by bringing up the minimal android
[16:25] <ogra_> that adds a few seconds
[16:38] <patarr> ogra_: so it's starting to sound like my use-case will be quite difficult to implement.
[16:39] <patarr> Probably much more complicated than just installing the android-x86 project on the hardware...
[20:20] <Thomas_> hello guys
[20:20] <Guest20439> i search a sources of ubuntu touch for import on Blackberry Leap
[20:21] <Guest20439> can you link me an url ?
[20:22] <dobey> there is no port for that device; see the Porting guide in the topic if you want to start porting
[20:23] <Guest20439> ok thanks dobey
[22:16] <Mark__> Hello does Ubuntu Touch work on an HTC Desire 510?
[23:00] <aiyion> well
[23:00] <aiyion> that was fast.