[08:01] <diplo> Morning all
[08:08] <BigRedS> gooood morning!
[08:19] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:21] <popey> morning
[08:22] <knightwi1e> hey popey
[08:31] <brobosti1on> morning boys and girls.
[09:04] <Gargoyle> mornin
[10:11] <diddledan> evening
[10:25]  * zmoylan-pi hugs mug of tea and contemplates turning on the ligths as it's so gloomy...
[11:42] <diddledan> it's cold, too
[11:42]  * diddledan hugs zmoylan-pi's mug of tea, too
[11:45]  * zmoylan-pi pushes the pack of generic penguins towards diddledan to go with mug of tea
[11:45] <diddledan> puffins ftw
[11:46] <zmoylan-pi> aldi seal bars...
[11:46] <diddledan> \o/
[11:46]  * davmor2 watches the pack of penguins knock diddledan's tea off the table cause penguins are evil
[11:46]  * zmoylan-pi wishes there were puffins around the east cost of ireland... one of the few sea birds i haven't seen
[12:20] <daftykins> afternoon all
[12:20] <daftykins> wowzer, i listed 3 smartphones for sale yesterday and the first one is out of my hands already :D
[12:20] <diddledan> \o/
[12:21] <zmoylan-pi> daftykins eats tonight \o/
[12:22] <daftykins> haha
[12:22] <daftykins> only £35 for a Samsung Galaxy S3
[12:22] <zmoylan-pi> noodles it is...
[12:23] <daftykins> aww yis
[12:23] <daftykins> i'm on a diet since the US trip so no more curry ;)
[12:23] <zmoylan-pi> noodles for using your noodle
[12:23] <zmoylan-pi> no spicebag for daftykins then...
[12:24] <daftykins> was that that funny Irish chipper thing?
[12:25] <zmoylan-pi> yeah
[12:25] <zmoylan-pi> seems one of our d&d gaming group had one recently
[12:26] <zmoylan-pi> is now a fan
[12:26] <Azelphur> Hey folks, OpenVPN driving me a little nuts. I have a virtual machine running Ubuntu Server, OpenVPN and a web server. Shutting down the VPN allows me access to the webserver, as soon as I fire up OpenVPN - no access to the webserver. Any ideas?
[12:26] <daftykins> :>
[12:26] <daftykins> Azelphur: pastebin of "netstat -tuln" before and after?
[12:29] <Azelphur> daftykins: https://dpaste.de/wZao
[12:29] <Azelphur> the web bit is listening on 58846 for reference
[12:30] <daftykins> thank tux for that 'raw' button XD
[12:30] <Azelphur> hehe
[12:30] <daftykins> so is that you trying to run it on UDP 50302?
[12:30] <daftykins> it being OpenVPN
[12:31] <Azelphur> daftykins: I guess, the OpenVPN part works fine, it connects and I can route traffic through the VPN
[12:32] <daftykins> from what point are you trying to hit the site? your desktop on the same home network?
[12:32] <Azelphur> correct
[12:32] <diddledan> Azelphur: are you routing ALL traffic through the VPN? if so then the web server will only be accessible through the VPN
[12:32] <Azelphur> diddledan: yup, that's the problem.
[12:32] <daftykins> mmm gotta change your OpenVPN config
[12:33] <daftykins> if your chosen web server were listening on all interfaces you'd hit it on the VPN host IP :D possibly 10.8.0.1 on a default config
[12:33] <Azelphur> question is what to :)
[12:37] <diddledan> you could try messing with iptables...
[12:38] <Azelphur> yea, I think that's what I'm gonna have to do, sounds painful >.<
[12:38] <diddledan> basically routing ALL traffic through the VPN means that replies on your public IP to the web server are trying to go through the VPN which has a different public IP
[12:41] <diddledan> random aside: I love the theme music for Westworld
[12:41] <Azelphur> indeed, seems like what I want is traffic splitting, or split tunnelling
[12:41] <diddledan> the whole intro is epic
[12:41] <daftykin1> err not sure if my last messages got through there before Wilhelm killed me
[12:41] <diddledan> aww, poor daftykin1
[12:41] <daftykin1> Azelphur: did you see the digitalocean guide? that has some handy tips
[12:41] <daftykin1> ikr :(
[12:41] <Azelphur> daftykin1: I did not, link?
[12:41] <daftykin1> diddledan: i lost mein Wilhelm </Archer>
[12:42] <zmoylan-pi> daftykins last message pre split was 'if your chosen web server...'
[12:42] <daftykin1> zmoylan-pi: ty sir
[12:42] <daftykin1> 13:35 < daftykins> it has a couple of routing changes that i'd bet will come in handy, i didn't ask which release you've got on there either
[12:43] <daftykin1> oh they've done a new one for xenial - https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-set-up-an-openvpn-server-on-ubuntu-16-04
[12:43] <daftykin1> i've always followed the trusty one, personally
[12:43] <Azelphur> daftykin1: yea, I don't need to set up a server, I already have one rented :)
[12:44] <daftykin1> Azelphur: no look at the config, the guide is about the OS - not their service
[12:44] <daftykin1> focus, people
[12:44] <Azelphur> I see
[12:45] <daftykin1> check out step 7
[12:48] <daftykins> if those edits don't work, whatever your VPS is using must have modified packages
[12:50] <daftykins> physical trusty server i have at a clients failed to come back after rebooting it for a new kernel again, it only ever happens if i'm not there... if i am on-site to reboot it, it's always fine
[12:52] <zmoylan-pi> dancing frog problem http://www.retrologic.com/jargon/D/dancing-frog.html 'hello my baby, hello my honey, hello my rag time gal...' ♫
[12:53] <Azelphur> daftykins: https://dpaste.de/S9Sw woo, I'm batman
[12:53] <Azelphur> VPN provider told me that was impossible
[12:55] <zmoylan-pi> looks like patrick stewarts twitter has been hacked
[12:56] <daftykins> "VPN provider" o0
[12:56] <daftykins> i thought you were hosting it :P
[12:56] <Azelphur> lol
[12:56] <daftykins> so it's also debian and you asked here
[12:56] <Azelphur> daftykins: nope, not hosting
[12:57] <Azelphur> daftykins: also nope, not debian, Deluged package for Ubuntu creates the user debian-deluged and runs it under that.
[12:57] <daftykins> oh i thought you were saying you'd fixed it but i don't follow the relevance of the paste
[12:58] <Azelphur> daftykins: I have fixed it, I can now select which traffic goes through the VPN and which doesn't
[12:58] <daftykins> yeah my guide link had relevant params to that methinks
[12:59] <Azelphur> I see :)
[12:59] <daftykins> per user or per process could be fun though
[12:59] <Azelphur> well I'm happy anyway, been stabbing at this one for days
[12:59] <daftykins> seriously?
[12:59] <daftykins> ouch :P
[12:59] <Azelphur> yea
[12:59] <Azelphur> I can do per-user, per process, whatever really now
[12:59] <Azelphur> just iptables mark it
[13:00] <daftykins> here's a funny one i had a bit ago, my OpenVPN setup on a DO VPS died, couldn't understand why it wasn't working - turned out i'd accidentally booted a 32-bit kernel on a 64-bit host a while back, so it was unable to load the kernel modules to have the routing rules in \o/
[13:00] <Azelphur> haha
[13:00] <daftykins> they've since realised they can't keep up with kernel updates though and have just implemented a GRUB loader to load the default you have installed on the virtual disk
[15:14] <Brebblella> Hi, I've installed ubuntu, changed to XFCE, but the nm-applet is missing from the indicator panel. nm-applet appears to be loaded, and a notification pops up saying there are wifi networks to connect to, but it's not in the indicator area. Any ideas?
[15:21] <Brebblella> Nada? Google is no help :(
[16:27] <daftykins> they always wait so long
[16:28] <diddledan> so so long
[17:15] <daftykins> diddledan: played with yonder Nexus 5x HDR - http://imgur.com/a/KhmYP
[17:17] <diddledan> :-)
[18:18] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/swiftonsecurity/status/774312067297718272
[20:17] <daftykins> so who had their Asda online shopping cancelled today? :O
[20:21] <diddledan> were they having problems?
[20:22] <daftykins> apparently a glitch cancelled 15% of weekend orders!
[20:23] <diddledan> oops
[20:26] <brobostigon> https://open.spotify.com/track/1pHVfiNHMMZYquR35fTZdM :)
[20:28] <brobostigon> for my fiance, https://open.spotify.com/track/5js1JJOAkR5KwlifBpvHMN
[20:31]  * daftykins doesn't use streaming services
[20:32]  * brobostigon is reluactant, but does.
[20:36] <daftykins> reason i mention is last time i clicked a link i don't think it even told me what the track was
[20:37] <brobostigon> for a very good reason that song, :'(
[20:37] <daftykins> oh it does, good ol' Queen
[20:37] <daftykins> oh, how's she doing?
[20:37] <brobostigon> days of our lives, queen
[20:39]  * brobostigon will no longer be a father, <= 4 weeks ago.
[20:39] <daftykins> :( sorry to hear
[20:40] <brobostigon> i am sorry too, :'(
[20:41] <brobostigon> i have played loads of piano and drums and written music.
[20:42] <daftykins> ah neat
[20:42] <daftykins> hope it helps!
[20:42] <brobostigon> we will see.
[20:44] <brobostigon> it would help if i could write in piano notation, and not just precussion notation.
[20:45] <brobostigon> percussion*
[20:49] <daftykins> alien world to me, that one
[20:50] <brobostigon> its still alien to me, and i have played the drums for ten years plus.
[21:09] <brobostigon> how could i emulate a synthasiser on a normal computer?
[21:16] <daftykins> hmm
[21:17] <daftykins> http://linuxsynths.com/ o0
[21:18] <daftykins> https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/natty/zynaddsubfx/ haha natty
[21:18] <daftykins> that was ~11.04?
[21:21] <brobostigon> was what i just found too. :)
[21:22] <daftykins> is it still current? i almost ran !info against it
[21:23] <brobostigon> no idea.
[21:25] <brobostigon> something that i could map synth keys to my keyboard keys would be good.
[21:25] <rainbowwarrior> hello
[21:29] <daftykins> hi
[21:29] <daftykins> how's it going, rainbowwarrior?
[21:32] <rainbowwarrior> hi daffykins ok ty and you ?
[21:32] <rainbowwarrior> oops typo
[21:33] <daftykins> yep all good ta :) relaxing evening here
[21:40] <m0nkey_> wait. what?
[21:40] <m0nkey_> I don't need rEFInd anymore to boot Ubuntu as a solo OS on a Mac?
[21:43] <diddledan> m0nkey_: haven't needed it for years
[21:43] <diddledan> m0nkey_: just bless the refi loader
[21:43] <diddledan> refi*
[21:43] <m0nkey_> I didn't even bless the loader
[21:43] <diddledan> efi* damn autocorrect
[21:43] <daftykins> crikey.
[21:44] <diddledan> yeah I think the installer can do the bless itself now, too
[21:44] <daftykins> m0nkey_: it's still a mac though, can't help with that ;D
[21:44] <m0nkey_> Rather have Ubuntu than macos on it
[21:44] <daftykins> oh agreed, but rather any hardware than that, i mean ;)
[21:44] <daftykins> talk of the devil, they're releasing more on Thursday
[21:44] <m0nkey_> it's a laptop from 2012, i'm not replacing it until it dies
[21:45] <diddledan> m0nkey_: mine is a late 2012 mbp
[21:45]  * diddledan finds the model number
[21:45] <m0nkey_> mine is a 2012 i5 air
[21:45] <diddledan> oh, early 2013
[21:45] <diddledan> MacBookPro10,2
[21:46] <daftykins> diddledan: have you reclaimed your little soldier yet?
[21:46] <diddledan> yup
[21:46] <diddledan> I'm on it now
[21:46]  * daftykins instantly regrets that phrasing
[21:46] <diddledan> lol
[21:46] <daftykins> don't you have a vastly superior spec desktop?
[21:46] <diddledan> yes
[21:46] <diddledan> :-p
[22:02] <brmbrmcar> i don't like apple
[22:03] <brmbrmcar> osx<windows<linux
[22:05] <daftykins> nah see that's a daft claim
[22:05] <daftykins> the only real answer is they all suck, but we pick the ones we either get paid to deal with, or the ones we mind picking up after the least
[22:10] <zmoylan-pi> even if i am paid to deal with it i have no respect or admiration for windows
[22:11] <zmoylan-pi> it's just a constant battle of wills with a big pile of poo...
[22:12] <zmoylan-pi> i've had mac, i've given up on mac... linux is all that remains
[22:13] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: we should make a card game about IT support situations
[22:13] <zmoylan-pi> i think i've seen some...
[22:13] <daftykins> i could put "compiling a compatible wifi driver module" on one, then you respond with a Windows quip
[22:13] <daftykins> and we keep going 'til we're out of ideas :>
[22:14] <zmoylan-pi> a drive 200miles to disover muppet didn't plug in pc, lose 3 turns...
[22:15] <daftykins> XD
[22:15] <zmoylan-pi> discover customers new pc is just a monitor, transfer them to sales, get cut of commission 20 shekels
[22:17] <zmoylan-pi> discover that customer can't connect to wifi as they have no wifi and have been using neighbours for 5 years till they changed password.  lose 1 turn explaining to them that they have to sign up with an isp and wait for installation
[22:18] <zmoylan-pi> it would really be just a list of some of my weirder problems... :-)
[22:18] <popey> there really is a game in this
[22:21] <zmoylan-pi> so i'd see it as a card game with players been developers/admins/managers each with abilities taking turns...
[22:21] <zmoylan-pi> a manager would hold all the cards but could only play 1 due to short attention span... :-)
[22:22] <daftykins> :D
[22:23] <daftykins> although he or she could also defuse an employee with management phrases
[22:23] <zmoylan-pi> management would also have less turns as they were tied up in meetings all the time...
[22:24] <zmoylan-pi> so it would have goals for money, life, career.  developers obviously score badly when trying to get a life or money...
[22:25] <zmoylan-pi> and every time a chance card turns up a new language/platform they'd lose money time having to invest time/money investigating it... :-)
[22:25] <daftykins> you should put romance in, then you can do the Star Trek thing of love always losing out to career
[22:26] <daftykins> "well i love you, but i just got promoted to this far off station in the ass-end of nowhere"
[22:26] <daftykins> *credits roll*
[22:27] <zmoylan-pi> get a job were you can telecommute, win the game... :-) goals for developers
[22:27] <daftykins> ooh that sounds like what we should call it
[22:27] <zmoylan-pi> get a job were you are allowed use a cattle prod on users goals for admins
[22:28] <zmoylan-pi> get a job were you can get drunk as a skunk at lunch, goals for managers
[22:30]  * zmoylan-pi will have a sniff around gaelcon this weekend and have a look at the card games and see if anything seems like a platform for this...
[22:32] <daftykins> \o/
[22:32] <daftykins> fame is within reach
[22:33] <zmoylan-pi> a card reading. a nutter named daftykins on irc helps you fix managers desktop in record time, get a backhander bonus 10 shekels and draw another 2 cards
[22:48] <m0nkey_> hmm
[22:48] <m0nkey_> networkmanager doesn't always show the correct wifi status after sleep
[22:48] <diddledan> my desktop has an issue with network manager - it loses it's ip4 address shortly after boot up but ip6 stays active
[22:49] <diddledan> it does it in both 16.04 and 16.10
[22:49] <m0nkey_> network for me comes up
[22:49] <m0nkey_> just shows the network is offline
[23:03] <daftykins> is it not trying to get a lease again?
[23:03] <diddledan> seems not