[00:00] <DFarmerTX> Get another hard drive, maybe USB3 and use CloneZilla or just GParted to backup partitions, then rebuild however you want.
[00:00] <rocket__> whats better in ubuntu compared to windows btw?
[00:01] <rocket__> im just interested in your arguments
[00:01] <DFarmerTX> Or dd the partitions to files on the other hard drive and reverse to restore.
[00:02] <bumbumzumzum> Why has Ubuntu abandoned Wubi anyway?
[00:02] <Ben64> it was always terrible
[00:05] <kinggabou> hi
[00:06] <kinggabou> adrien
[00:06] <rocket__> anyway thanks for the support
[00:07] <bumbumzumzum> My ultimate question is, do any options exist which don't require me to delete existing partitions?
[00:08] <bumbumzumzum> Or swap hard disks every time I reboot?
[00:08] <gry> no
[00:08] <gry> you can boot from a usb drive, but usb drives are not reliable, especially if you write to them often
[00:09] <gry> you could put two hard drives into your computer maybe
[00:09] <bumbumzumzum> gry:  Yes, I've already discovered how amazingly short the life of a flash drive can be.
[00:10] <gry> you could also install ubuntu in a virtual machine
[00:12] <bumbumzumzum> gry:  I plan to spend most of my time in ubuntu, so running it in a VM under Windows isn't going to be happy for me.
[00:12] <Jordan_U> bumbumzumzum: IMHO the most conservative/reasonable solution is to make a Windows recovery USB then delete the recovery partition.
[00:14] <Jordan_U> bumbumzumzum: You coukd also convert some of the primary partitions to logical partitions, but you might then need to convert them back if you ever wanted ro actually boot from them.
[00:14] <gry> bumbumzumzum: then wipe windows, install ubuntu and run windows in a vm :)
[00:15] <gry> unfortunately I can't think of solutions other than juggling things around and using a vm for extra slots, unless you're willing to merge two windows partitions into one (for example C: and D:) and use the extra available partition table slot for ubuntu itself if there's enough disk space
[00:17] <bumbumzumzum> If it were possible to add a second internal SATA HD, could I install and boot Ubuntu on the second HD?
[00:17] <thenwkg> Anyone used Rofi with Ubuntu ?
[00:18] <thenwkg> For some reason it's using a sand color bg for it even trough i used -bg paramter to set a custom color.
[00:20] <Jordan_U> bumbumzumzum: Yes.
[00:21] <bumbumzumzum> Jordan_U: Would the Ubuntu installer modify the Windows boot menu, or would I need to rely on my BIOS "Select boot device" menu?
[00:22] <Ben64> you could boot the windows drive from the ubuntu drive
[00:23] <Jordan_U> bumbumzumzum: If you don't explicitly choose otherwise and you're using a BIOS based machine (which you appear to be), Ubuntu's installer will install grub's boot sector to the MBR of what seems like the "first" drive, even if that's not the drive that contains the rest of Ubuntu.
[00:25] <wafflej0ck> could always pull the old HDD put in the fresh one and install then just reconfigure grub after putting back the old HDD, have done it before without much trouble, also not with UEFI though
[00:25] <bumbumzumzum> Jordan_U: I'm not sure if the thing I'm calling BIOS is actually that (as opposed to UEFI or whatever the new stuff is), but in that case would grub know to start ubuntu from the secondary hdd?
[00:26] <need-HHHHEEEELLL> I did a new install on my usb external HDD, and it refused to boot, there was only a flashing cursor in the upper left hand corner of the screen. I unplugged the usb external hard drive to boot back into my normal hard drive, but it wouldn’t boot either!
[00:26] <need-HHHHEEEELLL> I then unplugged the usb external hard drive, and it wouldn’t boot either! The error was as follows:
[00:26] <need-HHHHEEEELLL> error: no such device: 1aa477db-4af2-839a-fe4b-3dca930c
[00:26] <need-HHHHEEEELLL> grub rescue>
[00:26] <need-HHHHEEEELLL> I did an ls command, and received the following….  (hd0) (hd0.msdos1)
[00:26] <need-HHHHEEEELLL> I think the grub got wiped out, and it just needs to have grub reset, so it will rebuild the missing/corrupted grub. Does anyone know what the command is to restart grub from my live cd?
[00:27] <porcupine97> thats bad
[00:27] <Ben64> !boot-repair | need-HHHHEEEELLL
[00:28] <need-HHHHEEEELLL> I hope someone can help me get up and running again.
[00:28] <Ben64> : /
[00:28] <Jordan_U> bumbumzumzum: Windows is currently configured for BIOS based boot, so if it came that way from the OEM it's probably not a very new machine and uses BIOS rather than UEFI.
[00:28] <bumbumzumzum> Jordan_U: HP G72-B60US
[00:28] <Ben64> need-HHHHEEEELLL: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[00:29] <need-HHHHEEEELLL> ok, I'l have a look. Thanks Ben64!
[00:29] <need-HHHHEEEELLL> I cant do it quickly because I am only running on the live cd!
[00:32] <`{^v^}> you can install boot-repair on that live system
[00:32] <Jordan_U> bumbumzumzum: If your computer is configured to boot from the drive that has grub's boot sector installed to it (or if you just install grub to both drive's MBRs, which I recommend) then grub will load. The grub menu will have entries for Ubuntu and Windows.
[00:32] <wafflej0ck> need-HHHHEEEELLL, http://howtoubuntu.org/how-to-repair-restore-reinstall-grub-2-with-a-ubuntu-live-cd  also can see restoration details and other steps here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing can also use grub-repair if you install it
[00:32] <wafflej0ck> sorry "boot-repair" not grub-repair
[00:35] <need-HHHHEEEELLL> ty waffle!!!
[00:35] <wafflej0ck> need-HHHHEEEELLL, yup no prob
[00:53] <bumbumzumzum> It's unclear from the spec sheet whether there is a provision for a secondary HD. The good news is, I can double the memory to 8GB.
[01:00] <Jordan_U> bumbumzumzum: Any reason not to create a Windows recovery USB and nuke the recovery partition? https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/17423/windows-7-create-system-repair-disc
[01:04] <protn> which ubuntu server is most stable? 14.04?
[01:04] <protn> or
[01:05] <protn> kshshshs
[01:05] <protn> flies
[01:05] <protn> go to sleep
[01:05] <protn> iddles
[01:05] <wafflej0ck_> protn, ? 16.04 is the latest LTS
[01:06] <protn> but some say its buggy
[01:06] <protn> 16.04
[01:07] <wafflej0ck_> protn, haven't seen anything about that have links? I've had some small issues with 16.04 desktop edition and server is still on 14.04 myself but haven't heard of issues or seen any server related problems on my desktop
[01:07] <protn> https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/4h58mj/ubuntu_1604_is_just_so_unstable/
[01:08] <protn> i rather stick with 14.04
[01:08] <protn> new often bad
[01:08] <protn> :D
[01:08] <wafflej0ck_> protn, well that's for a desktop linux with X not server linux but also seems the comments say they should use 16.04.1
[01:08] <protn> sometimes good
[01:08] <protn> yes
[01:08] <nurupo> what's is the policy for Ubuntu release to be moved from the main pacakge repository into the archive one?
[01:08] <wafflej0ck_> protn, your call 14.04 has 5 years support so should be good
[01:08] <protn> LTS ought to be stable on its first release.   :P
[01:08] <wafflej0ck_> but I haven't had problems with nginx or apache or php stuff on my 16.04 desktop
[01:08] <protn> hmm
[01:09] <wafflej0ck_> protn, I sort of agree but I don't do releases :)
[01:09] <protn> but 14.04 also works with nxing
[01:09] <protn> whats the 16,04 advantages
[01:10] <wafflej0ck_> protn, depends on what you consider an advantage for me the major apparent changes seem mostly around systemd which has been good in my experience so far can see release notes here though https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes
[01:11] <protn> hmmm
[01:11] <protn> hmmmmm
[01:11] <protn> hmmmmmmmmmm
[01:12] <bin2> hh
[01:12] <protn> hhh
[01:12] <protn> they dont list bugs
[01:12] <protn> only pluses
[01:13] <protn> so many complains on reddit about 16,04
[01:13] <protn> anyone else tried it?
[01:13] <wafflej0ck_> protn, well I don't think bugs are part of the planning of the release, really only problem I have is something with an HDMI output that is acting strange but none of the other issues in that reddit are a problem for me
[01:13] <bin2> what the difference between xchat and hexchat
[01:13] <bin2> please explain noob
[01:14] <protn> wafflejjo fck 16
[01:14] <protn> they should release clean
[01:14] <protn> or dont
[01:14] <protn> its does not inspire trust
[01:14] <protn> :D
[01:15] <wafflej0ck_> protn, I hear you but also lots of hardware configurations that just can't be tested until things are released and things fail and are reported and can be looked at and fixed, watch the language in here though keep it family friendly and all
[01:16] <Bashing-om> !xchat | bin2
[01:16] <Jordan_U> bin2: xchat is no longer maintained. hexchat is a fork of xchat, and it is maintained.
[01:19] <bumbumzumzum> Jordan_U: Only my own reluctance to modify the machine's factory configuration. I can see where that option is worth consideration though.
[01:20] <bumbumzumzum> ATM I am in the mode of gathering ideas from outside my own head. Thanks to everyone for offering ideas.
[01:23] <bin2> Thanks to everyone for answering. I just installed hexchat cuz there is null xchat's repository. So I bit messed up here. :S
[01:23] <bandit-led> lols
[01:24] <bandit-led> ok dual booting windows and 16.10 every time i boot into windows then back out to 16.10 i am getting bad superblocks on 2 of my ext4 partitions
[01:24] <bandit-led> have to load live fsck reboot :\
[01:43] <bandit-led> hmm looks like i installed in legacy and then installed efi oh well
[01:43] <need-HHEEELLLPPP> from gparted and the file generated by boot-repair....
[01:44] <bumbumzumzum> What's an "unofficial derivative"? Just curious...
[01:45] <bandit-led> mint
[01:45] <bandit-led> kali/
[01:46] <need-HHEEELLLPPP> boot-repair didnt work, same problem. I am going to post a screen capture from gparted and the file generated by boot-repair.... BRB. I also didn't mention both the hard drive and the the portable USB drive are encrypted home folders....is this a problem?
[01:47] <need-HHEEELLLPPP> wafflej0ck and Ben64     Boot-repair didnt work, same problem. I am going to post a screen capture from gparted and the file generated by boot-repair.... BRB. I also didn't mention both the hard drive and the the portable USB drive are encrypted home folders....is this a problem?
[01:49] <wafflejock> need-HHEEELLLPPP, haven't used boot-repair myself in a while but I have done the procedure of booting a live usb/cd and mounting things to then chroot and run the grub reconfiguration from there... regarding the encrypted home I don't have experience with it but shouldn't be a problem
[01:50] <wafflejock> need-HHEEELLLPPP, the boot images and rest of the system is outside your home so if just that's encrypted it shouldn't give us problems with having grub itself working, after trying to login it could cause problems since preferences and such are in your home but should be okay I think
[01:50] <RonWhoCares> Is there a way I could search for a string within a file to find out the file name & path *without* modifying any file
[01:51] <wafflejock> RonWhoCares, grep
[01:51] <wafflejock> RonWhoCares, er did I miss something grep doesn't do?
[01:51] <RonWhoCares> I don't know the command I should be using
[01:52] <wafflejock> RonWhoCares, ah yeah grep should do it, will search files for a string match and with the right flags will just print the filename and line number
[01:52] <wafflejock> RonWhoCares, https://linux.die.net/man/1/grep
[01:53] <wafflejock> RonWhoCares, grep somethingtofind -R /some/folder/to/search/recursively, but you'll want to look up other flags for just showing file name and other info you need
[01:53] <need-HHEEELLLPPP> wafflejock and Ben64  http://pastebin.com/JMYubqWW
[01:53] <R13ose> How do I install kde plasma 5.8 on Ubuntu 16.10?
[01:57] <need-HHEEELLLPPP> wafflejock and Ben64 I couldn't post the screen capture of gparted at pastebin because it is not a text file.
[02:00] <need-HHEEELLLPPP> Hi all, can't boot into my primary Xubuntu drive after doing a routine install on a portable USB drive. I posted the output of boot repair at http://pastebin.com/JMYubqWW  Any comments appreciated.
[02:01] <wafflejock> need-HHEEELLLPPP, so currently back in the same situation you have just your internal HDD no external hooked up and when you boot you just get a cursor in the corner but no activity after that?
[02:01] <k_sze[work]> I don't quite understand the version numbers in apt.
[02:02] <k_sze[work]> e.g. there is a packaged called libstdc++-4.8-dev, in Ubuntu 14.04
[02:02] <k_sze[work]> I presume the 4.8 refers to the GCC version.
[02:02] <need-HHEEELLLPPP> wafflejock and Ben64 Yes, that boot repair was done with ONLY the HDD in the laptop connected, nothing else hooked up to any part of the laptop.
[02:03] <wafflejock> need-HHEEELLLPPP, yeah looks like from the output there that I scanned through so far that everything went okay with finding the existing partitions and setting things up, and from your initial description it gets to grub correct?
[02:03] <k_sze[work]> But does libstdc++ itself have its own version number? Apparently there is libstdc++ version 6.0.17
[02:03] <k_sze[work]> Is that always tied to the GCC version?
[02:04] <k_sze[work]> In fact, I see the file /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6.0.19
[02:05] <need-HHEEELLLPPP> wafflejock and Ben64 No, it never reaches grup. It sits there with the grub recovery> on screen.
[02:05] <k_sze[work]> So I suppose I *do* have libstdc++ version 6.0.19 after all.
[02:06] <k_sze[work]> But there is no mention of the version 6 anywhere in `apt-cache show libstdc++-4.8-dev` or `apt-cache show libstdc++6`
[02:06] <need-HHEEELLLPPP> wafflejock and Ben64 The error was as follows:
[02:06] <need-HHEEELLLPPP> error: no such device: 1aa477db-4af2-839a-fe4b-3dca930c
[02:06] <need-HHEEELLLPPP> grub rescue>
[02:06] <need-HHEEELLLPPP> I did an ls command, and received the following….  (hd0) (hd0.msdos1)
[02:07] <need-HHEEELLLPPP> Right now, the install I did on the usb drive won't boot either, but that's not important at the moment>>:
[02:07] <Jordan_U> need-HHEEELLLPPP: https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#GRUB-only-offers-a-rescue-shell
[02:11] <hello> hi there
[02:11] <wafflejock> need-HHEEELLLPPP, yeah would use the link from Jordan_U there from what I can gather seems grub itself possibly needs to be reinstalled rather than just reconfigured
[02:13] <Bashing-om> need-HHEEELLLPPP: wafflejock What is the signicicance that grub wants to boot with UUID 017fc8af-0655-4fad-b37c-e2bae7af473e .. instead of sda1's 0dffc786-7513-4574-877e-75251eb91d8e ?? where comes that UUID ??
[02:14] <need-HHEEELLLPPP> wafflejock Ben64 Jordan_U I don't understand the link given by Jordan
[02:15] <hello> how to install
[02:15] <hello> xamarin iOS Simulator for linux
[02:15] <hello> i mean on ubuntu
[02:16] <wafflejock> !apt-file | k_sze[work]
[02:17] <need-HHEEELLLPPP> I'm glad I have the passphrase from the encrypted primary drive!!! Seems like I need to be looking at how to recover data from the primary drive!
[02:19] <louiemat> my applications in the categories of elementaryos says 'waiting for queue when I try to install
[02:19] <louiemat> they will not load just sit there
[02:19] <need-HHEEELLLPPP> I remember there was a command to totally reinstall grub, so it would point to the live cd AND my primary hard drive...not a problem if there is no live cd inserted after grub reinstalls.
[02:20] <louiemat> can anyone help  me
[02:20] <wafflejock> need-HHEEELLLPPP, http://howtoubuntu.org/how-to-repair-restore-reinstall-grub-2-with-a-ubuntu-live-cd <-- this is basically the steps for mounting everything from the live cd then running grub-install from there
[02:21] <Ben64> !elementary | louiemat
[02:22] <k_sze[work]> wafflejock: I could also search http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[02:22] <k_sze[work]> But that's still beside the point.
[02:23] <k_sze[work]> The point is that apparently libstdc++ has its own versioning.
[02:23] <need-HHEEELLLPPP> wafflejock Ben64 Jordan_U That sounds familiar waffle! I guess I'll look there before trying to recover data from the encrypted home directory!
[02:23] <k_sze[work]> but it's not clearly reflected in `apt-cache show`
[02:24] <wafflejock> k_sze[work], not sure I follow on the last part, I would expect the compiler and libraries to have different versions even if it's a standard library but what's the issue with apt-cache show?
[02:24] <need-HHEEELLLPPP> louiemat, I wish I could help you!!! I can't even figure out how to make my install boot....so it might be best that I couldn't 'help'!! GL with your issue!
[02:25] <wafflejock> k_sze[work], when I search with apt-file for that file it shows up in the libstdc++6 package, which makes sense to me
[02:25] <k_sze[work]> wafflejock: apt-cache show doesn't say libstdc++ is version 4.8.2-19ubuntu1
[02:25] <k_sze[work]> libstdc++6, even.
[02:26] <Ben64> what does it say
[02:26] <k_sze[work]> (sure, that's the "6" in the name of the package, but it's confusing that the "Version" field in the output of `apt-cache show libstdc++6` says 4.8.2-19ubuntu1
[02:26] <need-HHEEELLLPPP> wafflejock Ben64 Jordan_U Thanks all for the assistance, I'm going to try a grub install from scratch!! GL to you all!!!
[02:27] <k_sze[work]> sorry, I mean `apt-cache show 4.8.2-19ubuntu1` *says* "Version: 4.8.2-19ubuntu1"
[02:27] <wafflejock> k_sze[work], I see what you mean now
[02:27] <Ben64> k_sze[work]: what
[02:27] <k_sze[work]> wt ff....
[02:27] <k_sze[work]> I think I have a fever
[02:27] <k_sze[work]> `apt-cache show libstdc++6` (damnit)
[02:28] <Ben64> and the problem is................................?
[02:28] <wafflejock> for libstdc++6 it shows Version: 5.3.1-14ubuntu2 for me on 16.04 and 5.3.1-14 is the compiler package version it says it depends on, think it's just a bit confusing
[02:29] <wafflejock> Ben64, think the question is why does it show a version number that corresponds to the compiler it depends on rather than having the package version match the library version
[02:29] <k_sze[work]> And the Description is even worse
[02:29] <k_sze[work]> the Description goes on to talk about libstdc++-v3
[02:30] <k_sze[work]> wafflejock: yes, that's pretty much my question.
[02:39] <wafflejock> k_sze[work], my guess is it's related to this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6904373/is-the-c-standard-library-replaceable not sure about the terrible old description though :)
[02:40] <Guestie> Is there such thing as installing AMD (as in the AMD FX CPU processor) drivers on Ubuntu?
[02:54] <hello> any one can help
[02:56] <Guestie> hello, what are you trying to say here?
[02:57] <hello> installing ios emulator
[02:59] <hello> how can i install xpandian or ios emulator in ubuntu
[02:59]  * jeffl35 attempts to hold back the urge to scream in all caps
[02:59] <netsecnoob>  Hi guys could someone help me understand why it is important to change my home modem-router's default admin password? The admin interface is accessible only from the LAN side, so why then?
[03:00] <hello> if your modem/ router is give wifi
[03:00] <wafflejock> netsecnoob, doesn't hurt to change it to stop anyone who does get on the LAN
[03:00] <hello> its not good
[03:00] <bumbumzumzum> netsecnoob: How do you prove without doubt that it is only accessible from LAN?
[03:00] <jeffl35> netsecnoob: you wouldn't exactly want you friends who asked for your wifi password to be able to change your wifi password, right...?
[03:00] <wafflejock> netsecnoob, lots of wireless security has been circumvented in the past and like other say better safe than sorry
[03:02] <wafflejock> k_sze[work], this page seems to have more details about the versions that may partially explain why the description talks about v2-v3 changes https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/libstdc++/manual/abi.html#abi.versioning can't digest it all now though
[03:03] <hello> I need help to install ios emulator in ubuntu
[03:03] <jeffl35> hello: which ios emulator
[03:03] <netsecnoob> So I am not really concerned about friends  -  let's assume I grant access only to trusted parties. If I have a WPA2 encrypted wifi with a non-trivial password set, how am I at risk?
[03:03] <spal_> Noob question, where can i get a list of supported commands. Are the commands the same for all IRC clients?
[03:04] <jeffl35> spal_: no, and /help usually works
[03:04] <hello> if they do 192.168.0.1 they can check your logs and able to access your admin admin
[03:04] <spal_> thanks
[03:04] <jeffl35> yw
[03:04] <k_sze[work]> wafflejock: wow, yes, that's a lot to digest.
[03:04] <k_sze[work]> Thanks for the hints.
[03:04] <spal_> the /help command isnt doing anything
[03:04] <netsecnoob> hello: that only works from the LAN side
[03:04] <jeffl35> spal_: see the server tab?
[03:05] <spal_> no...
[03:05] <jeffl35> spal_: what client are you using?
[03:05] <netsecnoob> So I did a portscan from an external IP and found no damaging ports open
[03:05] <hello> that what is said netsec:
[03:05] <spal_> irssi on terminal
[03:05] <bumbumzumzum> spal_:  Each client has it's own commands, but there are many which work on most clients/networks. http://www.irchelp.org/
[03:05] <wafflejock> netsecnoob, say you accidentally download and run something locally, your router is the ideal location to install some malware that gets everything from your network
[03:05] <netsecnoob> as in no telnet / ssh etc open from the WAN side
[03:05] <wafflejock> netsecnoob, if you disable UPnP and other things you can prevent ports from being opened but hard to be sure
[03:06] <hello> anyone can pass me idevice channel ?
[03:06] <netsecnoob> yes UPnP is disabled
[03:06] <wafflejock> netsecnoob, it's more true for places that are allowing the public but doesn't hurt to change the password especially if you plan to have IoT devices talking out
[03:07] <hello> ??
[03:07] <netsecnoob> does my modem-router have a persistent writable file system?
[03:07] <jeffl35> hello: what?
[03:08] <Felipey> hi all
[03:08] <jeffl35> Felipey: hello
[03:08] <Guestie> netsecnoob, the question is: do you really care? If you really don't care if someone has the possibility of taking advantage of your network for a period of time (until you fix it), then I wouldn't bother worrying about changing the password.
[03:09] <Felipey> I have a problem with watching videos.  I have to admit, that my laptop is indeed not the fastest around,  but however,  youtube or simple html 5 videos should really work without freezing.
[03:09] <Felipey> How can I find out what the problem could be?
[03:09] <hello> grr
[03:09] <jeffl35> Felipey: check your cpu utilization
[03:09] <jeffl35> hello: WHAT
[03:09] <Felipey> the videos behave as if there would not be enough buffer
[03:09] <Felipey> but, as a matter of fact, they are buffered very well
[03:10]  * LightningSpike 'testing'
[03:10] <Felipey> jeffl35, top ?
[03:10] <wafflejock> Felipey, yeah
[03:10]  * LightningSpike does something
[03:10] <jeffl35> yeah
[03:10] <jeffl35> or htop
[03:10]  * LightningSpike is surprised
[03:10] <netsecnoob> so what I am worried about is stuff like mirai, where someone faraway can do nasty things. I am not worried about say a neighbor attempting to steal internet
[03:10]  * jeffl35 pokes LightningSpike 
[03:10] <hello> iOS ?
[03:10] <wafflejock> netsecnoob, I don't understand the rationale for keeping defaults?
[03:10] <Felipey> top shows me 6,9% of CPU usage and 2% memory usage caused by google-chrome - all the other apps don't need much resources
[03:11] <Felipey> interesting!
[03:11] <jeffl35> netsecnoob: what if you accidentally download a piece of malware that promptly logs on to your router and changes your wifi password
[03:11] <jeffl35> effectively locking you out of your own wifi network
[03:11] <wafflejock> netsecnoob, it's really offtopic here but I forgot that once we started chatting should probably try a network security channel for this question honestly
[03:11] <jeffl35> ^
[03:11] <netsecnoob> so I tried joining ##security but I have no voice there
[03:11] <Felipey> when I resume the video while "top" is still running, I see that the CPU load climbing up to 80%
[03:11] <Guestie> netsecnoob, "far away"? What?
[03:12] <Felipey> that could be the reason why an HTML5 video causes so much cpu load
[03:12] <Felipey> when the video is paused, the load is around 5% again
[03:12] <hello> ??
[03:12] <jeffl35> hello: what is the name of the ios emulator
[03:12] <netsecnoob> Do you have any recommendations for any network security channel?
[03:13] <jeffl35> netsecnoob: you don't need voice to talk in ##security?
[03:14] <netsecnoob> it says  == Cannot send to channel: ##security
[03:14] <netsecnoob> I could see your message jeffl35
[03:14] <hello> ios simulator for linux
[03:15] <jeffl35> netsecnoob: it might be because you're using a gateway (webchat)
[03:15] <netsecnoob> oh okay I'll try a real client
[03:15] <netsecnoob> thanks
[03:17] <olalonde> i am writing a script that needs to wait for postgresql to completely shutdown before continuing
[03:18] <olalonde> it seems `sudo service postgresql shutdown` returns before postgres is shutdown is that correct?
[03:18] <jeffl35> yes
[03:18] <olalonde> is there any way to block until the port is available? (5432)
[03:18] <Mojtaba> Hello, lsblk does not show my usb disk, but when I run tail -f /var/log/{kernel,dmesg,syslog} and insert my usb disk, it shows it has detected it.
[03:18] <Mojtaba> Do you know how can I fix it?
[03:18] <wafflejock> olalonde, you didn't say what kind of script you mean bash?
[03:19] <Mojtaba> It was plugged in, and without ejecting it, was removed.
[03:19] <Mojtaba> I want to use ddrescue to fix it.
[03:19] <olalonde> wafflejock: Yeah, bash I think (circle.yml file commands)
[03:19] <hello> look in disks
[03:19] <netsecnoob> olalonde: it's probably sudo service postgresql stop
[03:20] <jeffl35> olalonde: try sudo systemctl stop postgresql
[03:20] <olalonde> oops, yeah I'm using  "sudo service postgresql stop" actually
[03:20] <olalonde> but it seems that the command returns before the port is available again
[03:21] <olalonde> which breaks my next step
[03:21] <netsecnoob> put a sleep
[03:21] <jeffl35> olalonde: try sudo systemctl stop postgresql
[03:21] <netsecnoob> in your script
[03:21] <jeffl35> it might block, i'm not sure
[03:21] <hello> ??
[03:22] <olalonde> sleep is not so reliable though
[03:22] <wafflejock> Mojtaba, see anything in dmesg when you plug in the device
[03:23] <Mojtaba> wafflejock: The drive keeps failing on me. Any ideas as to why it would disconnect? If I unplug the usb and then plug it back it, it will pop up, but it keeps disappearing. It doesnt even show up in the disk utility until I unplug and replug it back in.
[03:23] <netsecnoob> as you are running with sudo and not as root, have you added the entry in the sudo file to prevent sudo from asking for a password when you run that command?
[03:23] <wafflejock> olalonde, could sleep in a loop till the port is available but haven't used circle.yml files
[03:24] <netsecnoob> or else it won't work non-interactively
[03:24] <hello> please direct me to Idevice server
[03:24] <olalonde> right
[03:24] <olalonde> is there a simple command that will return true if port X is available?
[03:25] <olalonde> while check-port; do sleep 1;
[03:26] <wafflejock> olalonde, nmap maybe? or netstat -tulnp | grep 5432
[03:26] <wafflejock> I don't know a more direct way to check the process for a given port or if a port is open
[03:28] <wafflejock> Mojtaba, what version of Ubuntu I didn't catch that if you said it, typically dmesg will show some error info for input devices if something goes wrong
[03:28] <olalonde> Cool
[03:28] <Mojtaba> wafflejock: 16.04LTS
[03:29] <olalonde> I guess I could just put the command that's failing in a loop
[03:30] <Mojtaba> wafflejock: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23372854/
[03:31] <Mojtaba> wafflejock: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23372855/
[03:34] <wafflejock> Mojtaba, this looks related to the errors in dmesg https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2194155
[03:34] <wafflejock> Mojtaba, do you by chance have USB 2.0 ports you could try the drive on?
[03:34] <Mojtaba> wafflejock: I am not sure, I have 3 ports. I have tried all.
[03:35] <wafflejock> Mojtaba, in that thread the user ends up changing a BIOS setting for "XHCI" but I'm not familiar with the issue
[03:36] <Mojtaba> wafflejock: Is there any other approach?
[03:36] <wafflejock> Mojtaba, seems it basically disables the 3.0 capabilties but works around the problem sorry someone else may be able to dig further, look into journalctl for getting other log info from the system
[03:37] <Mojtaba> wafflejock: thanks for your time
[03:37] <giovoni> what issue are you having Mojtaba
[03:37] <Mojtaba> giovoni: he drive keeps failing on me. Any ideas as to why it would disconnect? If I unplug the usb and then plug it back it, it will pop up, but it keeps disappearing. It doesnt even show up in the disk utility until I unplug and replug it back in.
[03:37] <Mojtaba> The*
[03:37] <netsecnoob> what does dmesg show?
[03:37] <Mojtaba> netsecnoob: giovoni: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23372855/
[03:38] <giovoni> a usb flash drive or something?
[03:38] <Mojtaba> giovoni: 128G usb flash.
[03:39] <giovoni> when you "df -h" do you see it
[03:39] <Mojtaba> giovoni: no
[03:39] <giovoni> that command will show your mounted partitions
[03:39] <giovoni> ok
[03:39] <giovoni> what about "fdisk -l"
[03:40] <Mojtaba> giovoni: no
[03:40] <wafflejock> giovoni, Mojtaba had tried lsblk and mentioned it initially
[03:40] <netsecnoob> this might be useful if it's a USB3 issue: http://ask.systutorials.com/1908/how-to-force-a-usb-3-0-port-to-work-in-usb-2-0-mode-in-linux
[03:40] <wafflejock> netsecnoob, I just brought up usb 3 because of the error in dmesg
[03:41] <_28_ria> hello, recently, I've started to get a whole bunch of errors during install. No matter, what I install. here is the install log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23372876/
[03:41] <wafflejock> googling that brought up pages about power saving modes basically causing it to shut off
[03:41] <wafflejock> Mojtaba, did the drive ever work on this computer or this is the first time trying on this machine?
[03:42] <Mojtaba> wafflejock: Yes, it was working fine.
[03:46] <olalonde> wafflejock: trying while lsof -Pi :5432 -sTCP:LISTEN -t; do sleep 1; done
[03:46] <olalonde> fingers crossed
[03:46] <giovoni>  what's that command do
[03:47] <wafflejock> olalonde, ah yeah I wouldln't have thought of lsof don't use that one enough :)
[03:48] <giovoni> i though lsof just listed open files
[03:48] <giovoni> thought*
[03:48] <olalonde> giovoni: blocks until no process is listening to port 5432
[03:48] <olalonde> or well, that's what I'm hoping
[03:48] <giovoni> ah
[03:54] <giovoni> any luck Mojtaba
[03:56] <Mojtaba> giovoni: no
[03:56] <wafflejock> Mojtaba, this may seem silly but reboot could fix it if it's related to this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1413440
[03:56] <giovoni> have you tried other flash drives on that same port?
[03:57] <wafflejock> Mojtaba, most of the things I've found are related to disabling xhci though and sacrificing some features/speed but strange given it worked before, could have been kernel or kernel module upgrades though
[04:02] <Mojtaba> wafflejock: thanks. I will try
[04:02] <bumbumzumzum> I think I'm going to delete the restore partition and resize the windows partition, as suggested by Jordan_U
[04:03] <bumbumzumzum> Gotta reboot to windows and defrag first. Should be able to get it done in less than a day ... maybe.
[04:04] <netsecnoob> also Mojtaba any chance of trying other kernels?
[04:16] <bumbumzumzum> bye
[04:17] <suru_> u
[04:20] <_28_ria> hello, recently, I've started to get a whole bunch of errors during install. No matter, what I install. here is the install log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23372876/
[04:32] <FatSpitfire> mornin guys
[04:34] <xsmltx> Hi, any ideas in here please ? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/40210702/gnome-terminal-doesnt-start-any-more-after-auto-login-to-x Thank you.
[04:35] <FatSpitfire> wait a sec
[04:37] <gry> xsmltx: after logging in you have to start dbus first. this is usually the job of the login manager. iirc the command is `dbus-launch'
[04:37] <FatSpitfire> xsmltx , try this one : sudo dpkg-reconfigure gnome-terminal
[04:37] <gry> mhmm
[04:38] <FatSpitfire> or sudo apt-get install -reinstall gnome-terminal
[04:41] <xsmltx> FatSpitfire, trying them now.. maybe is better to do them from xterm...
[04:41] <FatSpitfire> xsmltx , sure
[04:41] <xsmltx> gry, I am a beginner, tell me please in which file config should I add `dbus-launch' ?
[04:42] <xsmltx> xinitrc, fluxbox/start, rr.local ? why other can do that please ?
[04:42] <netsecnoob> can you run xterm?
[04:43] <xsmltx> yes...
[04:43] <netsecnoob> start xterm and do this:
[04:43] <xsmltx> it seams that is a problem with dbus, that's why I can't lunch gnome-terminal
[04:43] <netsecnoob> export ($dbus-launch) && gnome-terminal
[04:43] <xsmltx> ANd xterm yes...
[04:43] <netsecnoob> does that start gnome-terminal
[04:45] <k200> hi
[04:45] <k200> how to disable Guest login from Login Screen but keep it under my options after I login on top right menu?
[04:46] <netsecnoob> xsmltx, did it work?
[04:46] <xsmltx> netsecnoob, now gnome terminal can be lunched, because I have already done those steps from the thread to can use it...
[04:46] <xsmltx> I should restart and try that command to see if it will work
[04:46] <xsmltx> xinitrc, fluxbox/start, rr.local ? why other can do that please ?
[04:47] <xsmltx> gry xinitrc, fluxbox/start, rr.local ? why other can do that please ?
[04:47] <xsmltx> netsecnoob, it seams that there are more than 50% chances to be because of dbus, that's why xterm works and gnome-terminal not
[04:49] <netsecnoob> so something like
[04:49] <netsecnoob> exec ck-launch-session dbus-launch --sh-syntax --exit-with-session openbox-session
[04:50] <netsecnoob> in ~/.xinitrc
[04:50] <xsmltx> It seams that because I am not using a desktop environment and the window manager is not starting the dbus session
[04:50] <netsecnoob> yes
[04:50] <netsecnoob> so I used awesome wm for a while
[04:50] <netsecnoob> and had such lines in its startup config
[04:51] <FatSpitfire> type in youtube : Nanomake - Mist , enjoy ! :P
[04:52] <xsmltx> Super netsecnoob
[04:52] <xsmltx> Trying it now
[04:53] <xsmltx> https://paste.ubuntu.com/23373071/
[04:53] <xsmltx> Should it be ok please?
[04:54] <FatSpitfire> damn this shit looks complicated guys :D
[04:59] <netsecnoob> xsmltx, shouldn't you change the --exit-with-session part?
[05:00] <netsecnoob> so
[05:00] <netsecnoob> I think what you want is
[05:01] <netsecnoob> exec ck-launch-session dbus-launch --sh-syntax --exit-with-session fluxbox-session
[05:01] <xsmltx> dbus-launch --sh-syntax --exit-with-session && /usr/bin/startfluxbox ?
[05:01] <netsecnoob> change fluxbox session to whatever the session is called
[05:04] <Bashing-om> xsmltx: Only one exec statement will execte . All after the 1st exec will be igbored . See: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xinit it has the case where you may choose an exec .
[05:05] <Bashing-om> ignored*
[05:07] <xsmltx> Sorry netsecnoob the command was in the file complete, but when I selected from the terminal it wasn't selected all by the mouse selection
[05:09] <xsmltx> dbus-launch --exit-with-session fluxbox
[05:10] <netsecnoob> exec ck-launch-session dbus-launch --sh-syntax --exit-with-session startfluxbox
[05:10] <netsecnoob> just that line
[05:11] <xsmltx> Ok, just that line in ~/.xinitrc right ?
[05:12] <netsecnoob> after the sleep and onboard stuff
[05:12] <xsmltx> Great
[05:12] <netsecnoob> remove exec /usr/bin/fluxbox
[05:12] <ChrisNoob> Hey room. Can I use a USB bridge cable to trick my SmartTv into thinking it's had a USB flashdrive inserted when it's really connected to my Ubuntu 14 desktop?
[05:13] <xsmltx> But in this situation will fluxbox start any more auto login ? :) netsecnoob
[05:13] <ChrisNoob> Create a virtual USB drive and a bridge LAN?
[05:13] <netsecnoob> yes the ck-launch thing is starting fluxbox
[05:13] <netsecnoob> hence the startfluxbox part at the end
[05:14] <xsmltx> ls /run/systemd/system/
[05:14] <xsmltx> No result
[05:15] <xsmltx> no consolekit
[05:15] <notaeon> ChrisNoob: yes/no
[05:15] <xsmltx> booted to systemd
[05:16] <notaeon> ChrisNoob: depends how it's recognised, though are you sure your smart tv can't access a network attached storage anyway?
[05:17] <netsecnoob> which version of ubuntu?
[05:17] <ChrisNoob> Notaeon: I've got no dedicated internet feed to the tv; it does have DNLA capability, but the rate over wifi sucks.
[05:17] <notaeon> no ethernet, only usb?
[05:17] <netsecnoob> raspberry pi
[05:17] <netsecnoob> connected to TV
[05:18] <ChrisNoob> it's got an ethernet port; should I just get an adaptor for the usb bridge cable and run in into the ethernet port?
[05:18] <notaeon> or you could just go eth -> router then run a server
[05:19] <ChrisNoob> router's 40 feet and 4 rooms away
[05:19] <ChrisNoob> oh, you mean little tiny dedicated router
[05:19] <notaeon> is the pc you're attaching also the storage medium for media?
[05:19] <xsmltx> netsecnoob, http://askubuntu.com/questions/838781/right-click-on-the-touch-screen-doesnt-work
[05:19] <xsmltx> Did you ask me what ubuntu ?
[05:20] <ChrisNoob> yeah... sounds like a lot of work... how good are powercable adaptors? Yeah, media storage.
[05:20] <notaeon> if you're attaching a pc to it anyway run ethernet because it's faster
[05:21] <ChrisNoob> Can I hook my desktop to the 2nd router with a simple USB to ethernet cable?
[05:21] <ChrisNoob> or do some routers come with USB ports?
[05:22] <kk4ewt> depends on the routor
[05:22] <notaeon> why usb anything?
[05:22] <ChrisNoob> don't need another router :P
[05:22] <kk4ewt> but usb will be way slower
[05:22] <ChrisNoob> I've never streamed video over usb. Is it functionally useless?
[05:23] <netsecnoob> my setup is external hard disk to raspberry pi, raspberry pi to wired LAN. Another Raspberry pi to TV and Wired lan
[05:23] <netsecnoob> media on external hard disk, of course
[05:23]  * ChrisNoob googles Raspberry pi
[05:23] <wafflejock> ChrisNoob, not sure hwat you mean
[05:23] <notaeon> ChrisNoob: i'm not sure about the spec for usb3, but usb was burst transmission and not the most ideal
[05:23] <wafflejock> ChrisNoob, plenty of USB cams out there
[05:23] <notaeon> *usb 2
[05:24] <wafflejock> 180mbps on usb 2 I'm pretty sure with burst to 480mbps
[05:24] <ChrisNoob> holy shit raspberry pi is aweome
[05:24] <wafflejock> should be plenty for any video to go through I would think
[05:24] <kk4ewt> wafflejock,  but he is talking about movies music etc
[05:24] <wafflejock> oh yah for transfers it's not gonna be as good as gig ethernet
[05:24] <kk4ewt> ethernet is way better
[05:24] <netsecnoob> advantage is TV doesn't get direct internet
[05:24] <netsecnoob> so security / privacy better
[05:25] <ChrisNoob> anyone had good results with powercable ethernet adaptor?
[05:25] <ChrisNoob> would solve all my problems
[05:25] <mwd> no, ethernet always wins
[05:25] <netsecnoob> raspberry pi can run proper debian linux, so updates etc.
[05:25] <kk4ewt> ChrisNoob, link
[05:25] <ChrisNoob> link?
[05:25] <kk4ewt> yes link to what you are asking about
[05:26] <kk4ewt> weblink url
[05:26] <mwd> powercable ethernet adaptor? like this one? http://www.fiftythree.org/etherkiller/img/etherkiller.jpg
[05:27] <ChrisNoob> powerline adaptor
[05:27] <ChrisNoob> https://www.cnet.com/topics/networking/best-networking-devices/power-line-adapters/
[05:27] <mwd> he probably means the thing that uses your home wiring to carry signals
[05:27] <ChrisNoob> yeah
[05:28] <ChrisNoob> etherkiller.jpg bwhahahha
[05:28] <mwd> ;)
[05:28] <wafflejock> ChrisB92, have heard good things about them but if you're going for max speed then dedicated ethernet wired connection will win unless you go fiber :)
[05:28] <mwd> can the powerline thing work between circuits or does it have to be on the same ciruit?
[05:29] <mwd> it surely can't jump a transformer..
[05:29] <kk4ewt> ethernet over your power lines can be good, but you will end up with a lot of RF interferance
[05:29] <ChrisNoob> It would be ideal if it works half as well as some say, but I've never used one or heard in person reviews
[05:29] <kk4ewt> have to be on the same circuit from my understanding
[05:29] <mwd> yes they are noisy as fuck as well
[05:29] <mwd> (in a rf sese)
[05:30] <ChrisNoob> noisy?
[05:30] <ChrisNoob> bwhaha makes sense
[05:30] <notaeon> signal noise
[05:30] <mwd> your house wiring is mostly unshielded
[05:30]  * kk4ewt is an Amateur Radio OP
[05:30] <mwd> so it radiates a lot of crap
[05:30] <mwd> kk, likewise
[05:30] <mwd> not active these days though
[05:30]  * ChrisNoob tunes in to kk4ewtWKRP
[05:31] <mwd> run ethernet if you can, it's reliable...
[05:31] <kk4ewt> ChrisNoob,  thats broadcasting, i dont braodcast i transmit
[05:31] <ChrisNoob> bwhaha
[05:32] <ChrisNoob> Thanks for all the help, folks
[05:32] <kk4ewt> as i tell the scouts broadcasting is one way communications
[05:32] <ChrisNoob> I'll try out a couple
[05:37] <_28_ria> hello, recently, I've started to get a whole bunch of errors during install. No matter, what I install. here is the install log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23373166/
[05:41] <Bashing-om> _28_ria: " 37 not fully installed or removed. " have you done ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ' ? That might take care of some of the issues .
[05:42] <_28_ria> Bashing-om: might have been, my system autoupdates
[05:43] <_28_ria> Bashing-om: Or do you mean, I should try it now?
[05:45] <kk4ewt> _28 what are you using to install with
[05:46] <_28_ria> kk4ewt: no matter what, apt, apt-get, synaptic
[05:46] <kk4ewt> and when you say install do you mean the operating system or installing something after install
[05:47] <_28_ria> kk4ewt: install some software packages (if you mean after install, such as apt-get install or apt install, than, yes).
[05:49] <Bashing-om> _28_ria: Yeah, I wouldl run ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ' now as the palce to start .
[05:54] <xsmltx> netsecnoob, with exec ck-launch-session dbus-launch --sh-syntax --exit-with-session startfluxbox add to ~/.xinitrc fluxbox couldn't start at all until the command hasn't been deleted
[05:55] <netsecnoob> oh
[05:55] <xsmltx> netsecnoob, I use Ubuntu 16.10 installed like https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD  +  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LowMemorySystems
[05:55] <Bray90820> Can someone help me I am her eon ubuntu  16.10 on a non pro surface 3 and any browser seems to crash my system to the point I need to hard restart
[05:56] <netsecnoob> if you just run that in x term what do you see
[05:56] <netsecnoob> that exact line
[05:56] <netsecnoob> ck-launch-session....
[05:59] <xsmltx> netsecnoob, tell me please should I run it now, when gnome-terminal is already working, or boot again an type it before, when gnome-terminal can't be lunched
[06:01] <netsecnoob> ummm reboot would be better
[06:29] <sarek> Is there maybe a web interface i cal install that would allow me to see information(maybe detaailed) on processes that are running on ubuntu?
[06:33] <hateball> sarek: there's a whole bunch of programs, it's a preference thing
[06:33] <hateball> !info monit
[06:40] <sarek> nice. has a web interface?
[06:42] <hateball> sarek: Yes
[06:42] <sarek> nice
[06:42] <sarek> thanks
[06:42] <hateball> sarek: If you are looking to monitor more than one server, you'll likely want to use something like nagios/icinga
[06:44] <keu4> ahh it's a wonderful day
[06:52] <srikanth> Hi
[06:53] <Guest20720> Is this a place to discuss about Ubuntu Mirror
[06:53] <Guest20720> I have created a local ubuntu mirror for Trusty distribution I have some issues can anybody help on that!
[06:57] <sarek> ok cool hateball
[07:32] <yellabs-r2> hello there
[07:33] <yellabs-r2> is there a way that i can delay the startup ( at boot ) of network-manager ?
[07:35] <FatSpitfire> yellabs-r2 , there is but I have to google it to find wat it was ... wait a sec
[07:36] <yellabs-r2> ok
[07:38] <LondonAppDev> Does anyone know why some windows are affected by the scale factor and others are not?
[07:38] <LondonAppDev> Like in this screenshot: http://askubuntu.com/questions/841110/scale-issues-some-windows-are-too-big-after-setting-scaling-back
[07:38] <FatSpitfire> yellabs-r2 , it must be somewhere in this config file sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces
[07:39] <yellabs-r2> ok i will take a look
[07:39] <kicksled> LondonAppDev: I think some Java-applications has problems with scaling from what Ive experienced and read.
[07:39] <LondonAppDev> kicksled: The apps I have issues with are mostly Ubuntu system apps.
[07:40] <LondonAppDev> Like the System Settings
[07:40] <kicksled> hmm, strange
[07:40] <LondonAppDev> I feel like there is a font size or something somewhere that I just need to change...
[07:40] <LondonAppDev> Even like the WiFi from the top right
[07:40] <kicksled> LondonAppDev: check out http://askubuntu.com/questions/472262/adapt-ubuntu-to-a-high-dpi-resolution-screen
[07:41] <yellabs-r2> no cant set it there, but i will take a deeper digg into it later , maybe write a shell script to just restart sevice
[07:41] <yellabs-r2> service *
[07:41] <LondonAppDev> kicksled: Already tried that one... None of the options listed seemed to work.
[07:41] <LondonAppDev> Which is why I made a new Ask Ubuntu question :D
[07:41] <yellabs-r2> its strange,because of ssd , it boots to fast... ;)
[07:41] <elodinn> LondonAppDev: you have tried restarting right?
[07:41] <yellabs-r2> then wireless hickups
[07:42] <elodinn> just checking
[07:42] <LondonAppDev> elodinn: Yes multiple times.
[07:42] <LondonAppDev> So I installed Ubuntu on my laptop which has a HiDPI display right
[07:42] <LondonAppDev> Scale Factor 2
[07:42] <LondonAppDev> Now I want to connect it to a monitor which has a regular resolution that works with scale factor 1
[07:42] <risky> hello guys
[07:42] <risky> can you help me
[07:43] <risky> i cant update my backbox
[07:43] <ducasse> !backbox | risky
[07:43] <risky> E:Encountered a section with no Package: header, E:Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/kambing.ui.ac.id_ubuntu_dists_precise-updates_universe_binary-i386_Packages, E:The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.'
[07:43] <risky> ubottu : error to reconnect irc.autistici.org
[07:43] <ducasse> LondonAppDev: there's a good page on hidpi on the arch wiki, look at that
[07:44] <risky> guy hello
[07:44] <FatSpitfire> yellabs-r2 , no that`s not it , sorry
[07:44] <risky> help me please
[07:44] <ducasse> risky: not our problem, check their website
[07:44] <FatSpitfire> yellabs-r2 , I`ll try a new one
[07:44] <yellabs-r2> if you like , fine, if not, were are still friends .. :)
[07:45] <risky> ducasse : ok ducasse , i think i can talk in this chat
[07:46] <risky> cant recon to irc.autistici.org
[07:46] <ducasse> risky: we only support ubuntu, not backbox. you need to try their support, or ##linux.
[07:47] <risky> ducasse : sry
[07:47] <risky> ducasse : are you bot?
[07:48] <ducasse> risky: no.
[07:48] <risky> i think hehe
[07:48] <risky> ducasse , ok thanks ducasse , i will check on forum backbox
[07:54] <FatSpitfire> yellabs-r2 , it says that you should leave only these two : 1. auto lo
[07:54] <FatSpitfire> 2. iface lo inet loopback
[07:55] <FatSpitfire> yellabs-r2 , and delete everything else , but I suggest making a backup before changing anything in that file
[07:55] <ducasse> FatSpitfire: /etc/network/interfaces has nothing to do with network manager
[07:57] <FatSpitfire> yellabs-r2 , you can make a copy of a file in terminal my using : sudo cp /etc/network/interfaces /etc/network/interfaces.old
[07:57] <FatSpitfire> by*
[07:58] <FatSpitfire> it says in a forum that that`s the only way to a fast bootup
[07:59] <FatSpitfire> if you see anything else in that file , that means that you get your IP from the dhcp server of your router , and that`s why you are waiting
[08:00] <ducasse> FatSpitfire: he's gone, and that file is not relevant anyway.
[08:00] <FatSpitfire> maybe if you set your IP manualy , bootup time may go lower
[08:00] <th0r> ducasse, actually it is. If there are any changes to /etc/network/interfaces then network manager ceases to function
[08:00] <FatSpitfire> oh , ok :) sorry
[08:01] <ducasse> th0r: no, it ceases to manage interfaces managed in /e/n/i, it will still manage others
[08:01] <LondonAppDev> Figured out my scale issue :)
[08:01] <kicksled> what was it LondonAppDev ?
[08:02] <FatSpitfire> ducasse , sounds logic to me :D
[08:02] <LondonAppDev> kicksled: Basically I had only changed the Menu/Title Bar and Font scaling.
[08:02] <LondonAppDev> There are actually three places to change scaling...
[08:02] <kicksled> ah, I see
[08:02] <LondonAppDev> I put them all in the answer to my Ask Ubuntu question: http://askubuntu.com/questions/841110/scale-issues-some-windows-are-too-big-after-setting-scaling-back/841121#841121
[08:03] <LondonAppDev> Although the extra pixels look nice, for the hassle I've had with my hi-dpi display (on both Windows and Linux) I don't think it's worth it.
[08:21] <FatSpitfire> guys , how can I create a channel here ?
[08:22] <Rarrikins> FatSpitfire: Join it, then register it with ChanServ.
[08:24] <Sebo> Hi! I would like to set a hook that would `dd` my /boot partition each time soething might have changed there. Where might be the best place to put this in?
[08:25] <ducasse> Sebo: look at the inotify-* packages
[08:26] <Sebo> ps: I am at Ubuntu 16.04 LTE.
[08:26] <FatSpitfire> Rarrikins - thanks bro :)
[08:27] <Rarrikins> FatSpitfire: No problem.
[08:29] <Sebo> ducasse: I know inotify-* but I thought it is rather not the case for this ones. What I would like to do is to keep a mirror of my /boot partition. And this one changes rather in a known scenarios (most of the cases is caused by the upgrade of the kernel package or etc). I thought of somethink like a hook at after `update-grub`.
[08:30] <EriC^^> Sebo: you could add a file in /etc/grub.d/ maybe?
[08:31] <ducasse> Sebo: or /etc/kernel/postinst.d/
[08:31] <EriC^^> do those change according to new package installations though? ^
[08:31] <EriC^^> oh, /etc/kernel
[08:31] <EriC^^> was thinking /var/lib/dpkg
[08:32] <EriC^^> do they change for /var/lib?
[08:32] <EriC^^> (curious)
[08:32] <ducasse> EriC^^: you would probably need to rename zz-update-grub, though, so it runs after that. don't know about /var/lib/dpkg.
[08:33] <Sebo> ducasse: ...and the actual job would (1) `umount /boot` (2) `dd if=/boot of=/bootBackup` (of course with the /dev paths here) (3) `mount /boot`
[08:33] <Felishia> how do I rotate a video in ubuntu?
[08:33] <Felishia> is there seriously only the terminal option?
[08:33] <Felishia> >:c
[08:33] <Nilez_> hey
[08:33] <ducasse> Felishia: what's wrong with the terminal?
[08:34] <Sebo> EriC^^: /etc/grub.d won't fit since the config have to be written to /boot after this
[08:34] <Nilez_> #lol
[08:34] <Felishia> ducasse, I tried 90 it didn't work, then I tried 180 and it didn't work
[08:34] <EriC^^> Sebo: nah it would just run the command i think
[08:34] <EriC^^> like a bash script
[08:35] <Sebo> ducasse: ...i do suspect /etc/kernel/postinst.d might be a good try
[08:35] <Nilez_> join root-Me
[08:35] <EriC^^> but yeah /etc/kernel looks good
[08:35] <ducasse> Sebo: yes, but see what i wrote to EriC^^ above regarding zz-update-grub
[08:38] <Sebo> ducasse: ...or try to fink out the name that fits after fits after ./zz-*
[08:38] <ducasse> Sebo: try zzz-* ?
[08:38] <Sebo> s/fink/think/
[08:38] <EriC^^> zz-zsomething
[08:39] <Sebo> ducasse, EriC^^: thx :)
[08:40] <barq> How can I see what is clogging up space in my /home dir?
[08:40] <ouroumov_> du -hs dir, dir2, etc
[08:40] <Ben64> "ncdu" and or "ls -hoSr"
[08:40] <EriC^^> barq: ncdu is ^
[08:40] <netsecnoob> +1 for ncdu
[08:41] <EriC^^> ubuntu also has a gui thats nice
[08:41] <EriC^^> disk usage analyzer
[08:41] <ouroumov_> Didn't know ncdu, I'm gonna check it out
[08:41] <EriC^^> pretty colors and everything
[08:41] <Ben64> bah, gui
[08:41] <barq> Wasn't there another gui tool?
[08:41] <netsecnoob> ncdu also shows hardlink info - real space vs. apparent space
[08:42] <ducasse> barq: baobab or something like that, i think
[08:42] <netsecnoob> disk usage analyzer == baobab
[08:42] <Ben64> ncdu is the best
[08:42] <barq> yeah baobab
[08:54] <Felishia> I just want to rotate a video it can't be that hard
[08:54] <EriC^^> Felishia: ffmpeg should be able to do it
[08:54] <Felishia> how's that the guide to rotate a video interactively in ubuntu tells me to download a c compiler
[08:55] <Ben64> rotate how
[08:55] <Felishia> I dunno... the video acts weird... in some viewers it shows 180 and in others 90
[08:55] <Felishia> and it takes ages for me to be waiting... >:c
[08:55] <Felishia> to see if it's the right rotation
[08:56] <Ben64> can you explain what you mean by "rotate a video"
[08:56] <EriC^^> Felishia: do you mean you want it rotated counterclockwise by 90?
[08:56] <Felishia> yes yes\
[08:56] <Felishia> or 180
[08:57] <Ben64> those are not the same thing
[08:57] <Felishia> I just want that it works propery in different browsers
[08:57] <Felishia> well the same video looks rotated in different viewers
[08:57] <Ben64> ok so you want to re-encode a video
[08:57] <Felishia> in different degrees
[08:57] <Felishia> none of which are right
[08:57] <EriC^^> ffmpeg -i input -vf "transpose=2" output
[08:57] <Felishia> ffmpeg is long ded
[08:58] <Ben64> nope.mkv
[08:58] <EriC^^> :D
[08:58] <Felishia> :<
[09:00] <Felishia> this is why ubuntu doesn't gain so much traction... sometimes you just want to do something quick and dirty with an app, but no you gotta use the console and learn some new fancy commands...
[09:00] <EriC^^> the cli is way more powerful anyways
[09:00] <Felishia> I know it is
[09:01] <Felishia> but I just want to send a video to my mother
[09:01] <Felishia> no time to be learning avconv, mencoder or ffmpeg
[09:01] <Ben64> learning? EriC^^ gave you what to type
[09:01] <Ben64> should have recorded the video in the proper orientation to start with
[09:01] <EriC^^> think of it like an investment you learn it and next time it saves you time + you have more control over what you want
[09:03] <netsecnoob> I think we need a brain interface
[09:03] <EriC^^> .. and it's more fun
[09:03] <EriC^^> :D
[09:03] <netsecnoob> whatever the user thinks
[09:03] <netsecnoob> ubuntu automatically does it
[09:03] <EriC^^> maybe a typing interface
[09:04] <netsecnoob> oh that would be cool
[09:04] <EriC^^> you think and it types, pc for the lazy
[09:04] <netsecnoob> with you know
[09:04] <netsecnoob> auto-complete
[09:04] <netsecnoob> let's assign a key for that
[09:04] <netsecnoob> like say Tab
[09:04] <EriC^^> you assign a thought
[09:04] <EriC^^> xmodmap pyjama's = tab
[09:05] <EriC^^> something you rarely think about
[09:05] <netsecnoob> lol
[09:07] <netsecnoob> I for one have gone back to ffmpeg from avconv
[09:08] <EriC^^> i've recently learned a little ffmpeg
[09:08] <EriC^^> had to encode some.. special videos
[09:08] <EriC^^> it's pretty intimidating at first, then it gets pretty understandable
[09:09] <EriC^^> (for the basic stuff)
[09:09] <EriC^^> i barely know how to use it at this point but it's a godsend
[09:10] <ducasse> EriC^^: got a link to a decent guide?
[09:10] <MrSuru> olla
[09:11] <EriC^^> ducasse: not really i was using the ubuntuask threads to learn stuff
[09:12] <ducasse> EriC^^: ah, ok. i assume there's a -doc package, will look at that.
[09:14] <netsecnoob> man ffmpeg works just fine :)
[09:14] <Clichee> you motherfuckers
[09:15] <codfection> lol
[09:15] <codfection> Clichee: whatsup?
[09:16] <Clichee> nothing
[09:18] <codfection> !kernel
[09:18] <codfection> !Mainline kernel
[09:27] <Felishia> FUUUUUUU
[09:27] <Felishia> >:c
[09:27] <Felishia> can't rotate a goddamn video
[09:28] <th0r> and the ignore list continues to grow
[09:28] <migueld> lol
[09:29] <Ben64> Felishia: Instead of complaining, explain EXACTLY what you want. Listen to others, and don't just disappear after people give you a suggestion.
[09:29] <Clichee> hallo leute
[09:29] <Felishia> Ben64, I want to rotate a video 90 or 180 degrees
[09:29] <Ben64> pick one
[09:30] <Felishia> I play the video on parole media player and it needs 180 rotation, I play it on vlc and it needs 90
[09:30] <Ben64> play it in mplayer2, pastebin the output
[09:32] <jhenke> Hi, did anybody notice that libssl (OpenSSL) in xenial lacks TLSv1 and TLSv1.1 support? 1636124
[09:32] <jhenke> Hi, did anybody notice that libssl (OpenSSL) in xenial lacks TLSv1 and TLSv1.1 support? Bug 1636124
[09:32] <Felishia> Ben64, https://gist.github.com/onzag/4e50b383726a6c00ffdbea0260292df5
[09:33] <Ben64> Felishia: and which way does it need to be rotated
[09:33] <Felishia> according to mplayer 180deg
[09:33] <Felishia> same as parole
[09:33] <Felishia> but vlc shows 90
[09:35] <EriC^^> Felishia: are you sure it's 180 or it needs to be flipped?
[09:35] <EriC^^> 180 means the bottom right stuff will be in the top left after rotating
[09:35] <Felishia> I'm pretty sure is 180
[09:35] <EriC^^> flipping means the bottom right will be on the top right
[09:36] <Ben64> ffmpeg -i input -vf "transpose=2,transpose=2" output
[09:36] <Felishia> in those viewers... in other viewers it shows it needs 90
[09:36] <EriC^^> it probably needs 180
[09:36] <Ben64> next time don't hold your phone upside down : /
[09:37] <Felishia> I had shit in my hands...
[09:37] <Felishia> and I hope I didn't mean it literally
[09:39] <Felishia> Ben64, didn't work
[09:39] <Ben64> it does work
[09:40] <EriC^^> Felishia: what do you mean by "didn't work" ?
[09:41] <Felishia> EriC^^, https://gist.github.com/onzag/df66be0b167975098a44bccccb63c3d3
[09:41] <Felishia> it created an empty file
[09:41] <olalonde> what does the \ do in \curl -sSL https://get.rvm.io  ?
[09:41] <EriC^^> Felishia: what command did you use?
[09:42] <Felishia> ffmpeg -i 20161023_155141.mp4 -vf "transpose=2,transpose=2" output.mp4
[09:42] <Ben64> olalonde: nothing probably
[09:42]  * Felishia shurgs
[09:43] <Ben64> Felishia: put '-acodec copy' in there
[09:43] <Felishia> dear mum, before watching this video please put your monitor upside down :3
[09:43] <EriC^^> Ben64: would it keep the metadata in the output?
[09:43] <fishcooker> i tried to remove old kernel when /boot 100% hit but i've got https://bpaste.net/show/a957a4d9e824
[09:44] <Ben64> EriC^^: oh the rotate stuff? probably
[09:44] <Felishia> Unable to find a suitable output format for 'copy'
[09:44] <Felishia> copy: Invalid argument
[09:44] <EriC^^> Ben64: oh
[09:44] <Ben64> Felishia: what exactly did you type
[09:44] <EriC^^> Felishia: try to erase the rotate metadata stuff so the player doesn't try to rotate it
[09:44] <Felishia> wait I changed the order of the args and it seems to be doing somethings
[09:45] <Ben64> should be like "avconv -i input -acodec copy -metadata:s:v rotate=0 output"
[09:45] <Felishia> I hope it's not a black -.- result...
[09:45] <Ben64> whoops, forgot the transpose
[09:45] <olalonde> so... starting a command with \ does nothing in bash?
[09:45] <olalonde> I'd assume they put that there for a reason
[09:45] <EriC^^> olalonde: it doesn't take aliases into consideration
[09:45] <EriC^^> + it doesn't add it to the history of commands, and other stuff probably
[09:46] <olalonde> EriC^^: ah ok thanks
[09:46] <EriC^^> oh nevermind, it does add it to the history, i was thinking " command"
[09:47] <Arrghus> So I'm on 16.04, and I used xmodmap to give myself a Hyper key (left control button, if it's relevant), and then I used the keyboard settings to make shortcuts for hopping between workspaces (e.g. "Switch to workspace 2" -> "Hyper+W") and those work fine until I restart the computer, at which point they all cease functioning until I go back into the settings, change the shortcut away from the Hyper-based combination, and then change it
[09:47] <Arrghus> back. Does anyone know from where this problem arises, or, failing that, how to solve it?
[09:47] <codfection> ubuntu bash and filesystem under windows 10 is coool.
[09:47] <codfection> thanks ubuntu
[09:47] <codfection> now I dont ever need to run linux as main OS :P
[09:48] <EriC^^> Arrghus: xmodmap isn't permanent you have to add it to the startup apps
[09:48] <BobbyJr2> codfection, no instead you need to run Windows... which is infinitely for painful :P
[09:49] <BobbyJr2> more*
[09:49] <Arrghus> EriC^^: Yeah, I do that. And sometimes I have to activate it manually anyway. That's a simple script, not much of an issue. Do you think it's related to my shortcut problem?
[09:49] <codfection> no it isn't. it has no wifi problems, supports games
[09:50] <ubuntu767> I cant able to install ubuntu 16.04 in dell vostro 3250 system
[09:50] <Felishia> codfection, it all depends on what you want to do
[09:50] <ubuntu767> While installing I got an error lik,"Ubi-partman crashed"
[09:50] <Felishia> play games... ok windows...
[09:51] <BobbyJr2> codfection: Agreed on the games side. But everything else I'd definitely rather stick with Linux. No wifi issues here, both my usb dongle and PCIe wifi cards work without issue.
[09:51] <Felishia> but if you are going to code for real, windows is no halp\
[09:51] <codfection> visual studio? Felishia
[09:52] <Felishia> codfection, haha...
[09:52] <Felishia> codfection, good luck with VM's in the cloud
[09:52] <EriC^^> Arrghus: no it might be that you need to add it to ~/.profile
[09:52] <EriC^^> i've found that some x related stuff don't work well when adding to the startup apps
[09:53] <codfection> Felishia: why cloud?
[09:53] <Felishia> codfection, Windows servers are awful
[09:53] <EriC^^> Arrghus: try /etc/X11/Xsession.d i think that is the proper place, never tried it though
[09:54] <Arrghus> EriC^^: Good ideas. Will look into it.
[09:57] <Arrghus> Oh wow /etc/X11/Xsession.d is full of files I have no idea how to interpret.
[09:57] <dreamscape> hi all, i've just upgraded my Optiplex FX160 to 4gb RAM from 1GB ram but ubuntu is showing only 2.94gb? it is 64 bit version so i'm not sure why this is happening? BIOS shows correct values... any idea's anyone?
[09:58] <EriC^^> dreamscape: pastebin the output of "free -m"
[09:59] <dreamscape> EriC^^, http://pastebin.com/3PXuWS67
[10:00] <BobbyJr2> dreamscape: I'd have a look through the kernel logs from boot to see if theres any issues reported. It will at the very least let you know how much ram the kernel actually sees.
[10:01] <dreamscape> how do i do that?
[10:02] <EriC^^> dreamscape: do you have any memory remapping or hoisting settings in the bios?
[10:03] <dreamscape> EriC^^, not that I'm aware of no, it's all on default too
[10:03] <EriC^^> dreamscape: these seems it might explain it http://serverfault.com/questions/640611/why-does-the-free-command-and-dmidecode-show-different-values-for-ram
[10:03] <ufw-noob> Hello. I'm using 14.04 LTS and trying to configure ufw for port 443. nginx server is configured for 443 and I can see that it is listening to port 443. However, port checker systems show that port 443 is closed and I get connection timeout when I try to connect to https version of the website. Not experienced with iptables so I thought maybe I can find some help here.
[10:03] <EriC^^> dreamscape: nevermind, you said 64bit
[10:04] <dreamscape> EriC^^, yes, Linux Server 4.4.0-45-generic #66-Ubuntu SMP Wed Oct 19 14:12:37 UTC 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[10:05] <EriC^^> dreamscape: pastebin /var/log/kern.log as Ben64 suggested
[10:05] <check-mate> where can I find Yakkety-Yak Daily-Build iso?? thanks
[10:06] <EriC^^> check-mate: it's been official released
[10:06] <popey> check-mate: yakkety is 16.10 and is now released
[10:06] <EriC^^> *officially
[10:07] <dreamscape> EriC^^, http://pastebin.com/pgcMJiSG
[10:07] <check-mate>  <EriC^^> so no more daily-build with updates??
[10:08] <popey> check-mate: we don't do daily builds of released software
[10:08] <EriC^^> check-mate: it's released, you can download it and update using sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
??? daily-build for Xenial >> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/xenial/daily-live/current/
[10:11] <popey> check-mate: xenial is LTS, and we create new images for point releases of LTS
[10:11] <popey> check-mate: e.g. 16.04.1, and so on. We don't do that for non-LTS
 ok, so daily for LTS only, thanks
[10:14] <EriC^^> check-mate: not daily, every year a point release comes out like 16.04.1 which has all the updates, then 16.04.2 ...til .5
[10:14] <popey> the image *is* built daily, but we don't generally reccommend its use check-mate
[10:14] <EriC^^> aha
 daily is build with all security patches and updates
[10:18] <Rarrikins> EriC^^: I think it's every new release until the next LTS. 14.04.5 is already out even though it's not five years later.
[10:18] <EriC^^> Rarrikins: aha
[10:19] <marcofe> hello everybofy
[10:20] <check-mate> a zsync with a previous iso image ensures you have a compleate hash-checked image downloaded if you need to install
[10:24] <dreamscape> EriC^^, have pm'ed regarding issue, thought it might be easier
[10:34] <thermoman_> http://pastebin.com/raw/grEdMNSx <-- hy is apt-get keeping 5 old kernels although /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01autoremove-kernels only protects 2 kernels? -- Any hints?
[10:40] <adac> How to completely disable the keyring?
[10:41] <adac> it keeps asking me for it
[10:41] <adac> but for my special installation I don't need it
[10:55] <ppf> adac: disable the agents
[10:56] <adac> ppf, hmm what exaclty are the "agents" if I may ask?
[10:56] <zotherstupidguy> is there a linux utility to do somthing similar to  https://www.tools4noobs.com/ for decoding .torrent files information?
[10:57] <ppf> all the things gnome-keyring-daemon provides
[10:57] <ppf> such as the ssh-agent
[10:57] <ppf> (i don't actually know if unity ships an alternative to that)
[10:58] <weedbox> ...
[11:00] <nisargjhaveri> Hello!
[11:00] <weedbox> waa
[11:00] <yavandir> Hi
[11:00] <nisargjhaveri> Could anyone please help me with setting up wake-on-lan on my desktop running Ubuntu 16.04
[11:01] <nisargjhaveri> I tried various things I found everywhere.
[11:01] <nisargjhaveri> But can't make it work.
[11:02] <nisargjhaveri> I asked a question on unix.SE, here is the link. https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/318137/wake-on-lan-not-working-on-ubuntu-16-04
[11:02] <nisargjhaveri> Any ideas?
[11:03] <yavandir> I dont'know
[11:03] <hateball> nisargjhaveri: are the machines in the same subnet?
[11:03] <nisargjhaveri> Yes.
[11:03] <Jakdaw> Why doesn't "do-release-upgrade -d" find yakkety on my xenial boxes?
[11:03] <nisargjhaveri> I tried capturing packets with tcpdump, it shows packets when the computer is on.
[11:04] <hateball> Jakdaw: Because you're probably configured to only show LTS releases
[11:04] <Jakdaw> hateball, isn't that what "-d" is for?
[11:05] <Jakdaw> hateball, ah /me finds /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades and we're away...
[11:06] <hateball> Jakdaw: :)
[11:07] <nisargjhaveri> hateball, anything else I could look for?
[11:07] <hateball> nisargjhaveri: you could try pointing to your gateway instead of using the default broadcast
[11:08] <hateball> which is what you want if you had different subnets
[11:08] <hateball> who knows
[11:09] <nisargjhaveri> hateball, yes, I tried that. In wither case, tcpdump shows that it receives packets..
[11:20] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:22] <benkz> r
[11:25] <Haris> hello all
[11:26] <Haris> when I'm rsync'ing data from one 14.04 LTS to another, its not copying over date/time for file/dir ?
[11:26] <ilSt> Hi :) all e lui ha
[11:29] <Rarrikins> Haris: `man rsync` has a bunch of related options. Just go to the options summary section and look for preserve.
[11:29] <Haris> I ran the command rsync -avz --progress . destination
[11:29] <Haris> hmm
[11:29] <Rarrikins> Haris: For modification time in particular, it looks like -t
[11:30] <Rarrikins> Haris: I'm not sure if that handles creation time, though.
[11:30] <Haris> never had to use it specifically before today
[11:37] <check-mate> anyone know the url for the daily-build machine-farm build-status page???
[11:43] <cristina__> bonjour
[11:44] <ppf> can i test if an iso is uefi bootable?
[11:45] <ikevin> ppf, yep, try to boot on :)
[11:45] <ppf> ikevin: without booting obviously
[11:53]  * bin2 jumps
[11:54] <Felishia> EriC^^, after 1 hour loading... the video is still in the same position... :/
[11:54] <Felishia> it's in the wrong position
[11:59] <Ben64> Felishia: what command did you use? and you know you can test it immediately after starting
[11:59] <Felishia> Ben64, :(
[12:00] <Felishia> Ben64, ffmpeg -i 20161023_155141.mp4 -acodec copy -vf "transpose=2,transpose=2" output.mp4
[12:00] <Ben64> yep that's mostly what i said
[12:00] <Ben64> that'll flip the video upside down
[12:01] <Felishia> well it did rotate it 270 degrees it seems
[12:01] <Ben64> because you skipped the other part i said
[12:01] <Ben64> also it'll be fine in most players
[12:02] <AndChat425684> A family friend installed Ubuntu. I do not want it anymore, how can I revert back to windows?
[12:03] <Felishia> Ben64, which part?
[12:03] <Ben64> AndChat425684: install windows, or overwrite grub with windows bootloader, then delete the ubuntu partitions. ##windows can help you with both
[12:03] <ikevin> AndChat425684, use a windows usb/disk
[12:03] <Ben64> Felishia: -metadata:s:v rotate=0
[12:03] <HiredGoon> Hi
[12:03] <Ben64> Felishia: but really, not many players pay attention to that
[12:04] <HiredGoon> I don't use a single piece of free software except for qwebirc, am I a bad person?
[12:04] <Ben64> HiredGoon: you probably use more and don't realize it, but it's not really on topic here
[12:07] <Felishia> damn it
[12:07] <Felishia> Ben64, so what do I do... I run that on what? the original?
[12:07] <HiredGoon> Ah yes, I guess there is free software not on my computer or phone that I am using too...
[12:08] <HiredGoon> Such as on servers or internet routers I am using to communicate with on the internet
[12:08] <Ben64> ignore it... nalmost no players care
[12:10] <EriC^^> Felishia: you can do ffmpeg -i inputfile -map_metadata -1 -c:v copy -c:a copy output
[12:11] <EriC^^> on the file you got from earlier it's instantaneous
[12:11] <ppf> for anyone wondering about my question earlier
[12:11] <ppf> you can just fdisk -l the iso
[12:12] <shambat> I want to download a text file using wget with the -O option, but it is being saved gzipped (probably due to headers). How can I force wget to save it as ascii? I don't want to pipe it to an unzipper, since this is a script to be used for several cases
[12:13] <Ben64> if wget is saving it gzipped, chances are it's gzipped
[12:13] <Felishia> epic_, https://gist.github.com/onzag/2092d1a6f3ada03dda3a14507fc047bb
[12:14] <Felishia> wat
[12:14] <shambat> Ben64: if I visit the page in my browser, I get a text file
[12:14] <ppf> shambat: the browser unzips it
[12:14] <Felishia> EriC^^, https://gist.github.com/onzag/2092d1a6f3ada03dda3a14507fc047bb
[12:14] <Ben64> Felishia: how come you never paste the full thing
[12:15] <Felishia> >:c
[12:15] <shambat> ppf: sure, but is that because of request headers?
[12:16] <ppf> webservers can transmit compressed websites
[12:16] <ppf> saves bandwidth
[12:16] <Olanzapin> Anyone having trouble installing Steam om 64 bit? I'm getting errors when trying to install.
[12:17] <ppf> Olanzapin: more details please?
[12:17] <Olanzapin> ok wait a second
[12:19] <bin2> Olanzapin: Well, I'm fine with 64 bit steam :S
[12:24] <shambat> ppf: a pretty strange thing that happens, is, if the destination file already exists as a text file, it works as I want it to, but if it doesn't exist, wget saves it gzipped!
[12:24] <shambat> um, never mind that is not necessarily true...
[12:24] <shambat> I don't understand why it sometimes works
[12:24] <Ben64> it doesn't
[12:33] <bumbumzumzum> Jordan_U:  As you advised, removed the RECOVERY partition and resized the Windows partition.
[12:33] <bumbumzumzum> Ran into a bug in the installer though.
[12:34] <speaker1234> samba Q: set up 16.04 samba with stock config and uncommented the [home] section.  could not log in.  much hair tearing later, I discovered that none of my users accounts had corresponding samba users/passwords.  wtf?   I thought they had fixed that problem years ago.  any ideas on what I may be missing?
[12:38] <ppf> shambat: most editors unzip gzipped textfiles on the flie
[12:38] <hackal> Hi, how can I change all file permisions in a directory from -rwxr-xr-x to -rwxr-xr--?
[12:39] <hackal> Basically what happend is that someone on a different git branch changed all the permissions
[12:39] <ppf> on the fly
[12:41] <lordcirth_> hackal, are you sure you want everything to be executable?  You can use chmod, possibly with -R.  But be careful!
[12:44] <ppf> hackal: chmod -c o-x ${files}
[12:45] <pietrosmusi> hello im pietrosmusi
[12:45] <SN0WF0X> Hi everybody
[13:06] <anon-desktop> hi everybody
[13:16] <theShirbiny> Hi anon-desktop
[13:16] <anon-desktop> Hi theShirbiny
[13:16] <theShirbiny> Hi anon-desktop
[13:16] <anon-desktop> xD
[13:17] <anon-desktop> Do you use protonmail?
[13:19] <anon-desktop> I have an issue to login, the login page still loading to infinite... maybe something with firefox config. I allowed cookies but stil not working.
[13:25] <Sebo> Hi! How can I make the standard kernel installations not to depend on disk drive UUID?
[13:26] <Sebo> ...or partition UUID
[13:27] <anon-desktop> Sebo Really don't know
[13:27] <anon-desktop> It seems to be empty right now
[13:29] <Sebo> I mean, I would like to be able to boot the same OS when the UUID of root partition got changed (but did not changed dhe /dev/sda2 path)
[13:29] <renn0xtk9> I am on ubuntu 14.04, trying to compile a program however it seems like gcc is not findinc any include files located in /usr/lib/libreoffice/*  while he seems to finde those in /usr/lib/*       What should I do ?
[13:33] <Sebo> ...it seems somewhere inside the /initramfs I do have hardcodded /dev/disk/by-uuid/ path to the root partition and what I would prefer keep the /dev/sda2 path there
[13:33] <Serrie> renn0xtk9: try adding -I/usr/lib/libreoffice/ to the compile command ( https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Directory-Options.html )
[13:35] <felher> Hey folks. I'm a little confused about how to do package management from the shell in ubuntu. Mainly because there are quite a few different possibilites. Is there a prefered way to manage (search/install/remove/list) packages from the shell.
[13:35] <felher> As far as I can see, there are at least a) apt <list/search/install/...>, b) apt-get/apt-cache/... c) aptitude d) dpkg.
[13:35] <felher> Are any of those deprecated? Are there clear advantages of using one over the other?
[13:35] <theShirbiny> anon-desktop, sorry no
[13:36] <anon-desktop> thanks
[13:37] <theShirbiny> Sebo, check /dev/disk/by-<tab>
[13:37] <Serrie> Sebo: You tried using /dev/sda1 instead of UUID=<stuff> in both /ets/fstab and your grub config? In etc/default/grub you can set GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_UUID=true for example.
[13:37] <renn0xtk9> Serrie, that  doe snot change :S
[13:39] <Sebo> Serrie: seems to be a good way to try - I did not changed /etc/default/grub - just did not thought it might depend on UUID by default.
[13:40] <Serrie> its UUID by default, but you can change that with that option AFAIK.. an update-grub is warranted after changing /etc/default/grub of course.
[13:40] <Sebo> theShirbiny: I am trying to set up the host so that it would have a mirrored drive onto the other hdd... therefore I need to be able to launch the OS from the other drive (of course with diffrent UUID) as well
[13:41] <theShirbiny> use labels
[13:44] <Anticom> Hey guys, I was thinking about writing some manifests to manage my personal Desktop configuration similar to versioning dotfiles. Does anybody do this already and if so what tools are you using? I was thinking about Puppet, Chef, etc. but I haven't made a decision yet
[13:44] <Sebo> theShirbiny: not sure if labbels woud fit better in this case... at least if /dev/sda1 is missing the partition that was previously seen as /dev/sdb1 is automatically assigned to /dev/sda1.
[13:44] <Anticom> I mean i could just write a little shell script to set up a ubuntu machine but that doesn't feel very portable
[13:45] <Sebo> theShirbiny: ...and I guess I cannot have two partitions with same labbel at a single machine.
[13:49] <theShirbiny> Sebo, you can have the same label on different disks, the machine doesn't care. just select which disk you want to boot from and it'll use the label in grub.cfg as the root device
[13:49] <theShirbiny> what exactly are you trying to do?
[13:55] <Sebo> theShirbiny: I have set a Ubuntu16.04 at the Machine with two identical HDDs... each one have same partition table (/boot + RAID1 + swap). At the mirrored RAID1, I have created the encrypted volume and created /etc/kernel/post*.d/zzz-mirror-boot script that mirrors `dd` the /boot partitions. Now I am trying to test if it would launch, with just a single HDD.
[13:56] <Sebo> ...but It hangs after bootloadder with the error message telling me that the disk /dev/disk/by-uuid/.... is missing.
[13:56] <Sebo> ...of course - it is missing, cause I have deattached this :p
[13:57] <Sebo> ...but I woud like it just to report the issue but continue to boot.
[13:57] <aointaotbin> hey, so, i have an ubuntu box at work... got in today and it's nonresponsive. displays are dark, keyboard leds won't toggle. but i'm ssh'd in right now, ircing from it.
[13:58] <ikonia> dd's the boot partition ?
[13:58] <aointaotbin> any ideas on how to troubleshoot?
[13:58] <ikonia> shouldn't that just be covered by the software raid
[13:58] <aointaotbin> top doesn't show anything weird.
[13:58] <thedungeon> hey
[13:59] <Sebo> ikonia: no - you cannot have RAID at boot partition. You can have everywhere else.
[13:59] <aointaotbin> plenty of free memory, free storage, cpu capacity...
[13:59] <thedungeon> for those who say the media isn't behind all the false info the community has
[13:59] <thedungeon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Qj8p-PEwbI
[13:59] <Sebo> ...and I am making the mirror of everything in before the RAID1 area.
[13:59] <ikonia> Sebo: raid is on my boot partitions
[14:00] <ikonia>  /dev/md0                    642M  148M  448M  25% /boot
[14:00] <Sebo> ikonia: and is it software raid?
[14:00] <ikonia> yup
[14:01] <aointaotbin> or am i going to just have to accept that i need to reboot this thing now?
[14:01] <Sebo> I was following the article that told: boot have to be at nonencrypted regurar partition.
[14:01] <ikonia> boot has to be non-encypted, but that is differen to raid
[14:03] <Sebo> ikonia: if this wrks for you I would have to try the other setup: (RAID1 for boot + RAID1 for crypt + encrypted SWAP)
[14:03] <ikonia> do that then
[14:05] <Sebo> ikonia: so let me reconfigure this once again :p
[14:05] <Sebo> ikonia: thx
[14:06] <rsv> I am unable to install chrome on ubuntu 16.04 64 bit machine. has anyone faced this issue
[14:07] <rsv> i get the error: http://pastebin.ca/3732354
[14:13] <kentung> i install ubuntu 14.04 alongside 12.04,it was fine after installing. but when start my laptop,there's no grub and immedietlly boot ubuntu 12.04. i need your help guys to fix my problem,please
[14:16] <R13ose> How come flash in Chrome will not load when I upgraded to 16.10?
[14:17] <FatSpitfire> kentung , make a Puppy live usb and install Grub4dos from it
[14:17] <brandor5> Hello everyone: Can someone tell me if there is a channel specifically for autopilot for openstack?
[14:19] <brandor5> nevermind :) I've found it... #ubuntu-autopilot
[14:20] <kentung> thanks mr FatSpitfire for your help,i'll try...
[14:22] <FatSpitfire> kentung , np - pls let me know when you boot up puppy , I`ll tell you how to install grub4dos  on your hdd - works everytime for me
[14:26] <kentung> do you have tutorial for installing it guys in ebook or something else?
[14:27] <R13ose> any thoughts on my question?
[14:28] <FatSpitfire> kentung , installing what ?
[14:28] <FatSpitfire> R13ose , post it again :)
[14:28] <R13ose> How come flash in Chrome will not load when I upgraded to 16.10?
[14:30] <FatSpitfire> R13ose , you upgrade from 16.04 ?
[14:30] <R13ose> FatSpitfire: yes
[14:30] <FatSpitfire> R13ose , I really donno dude , I`m still on 12.04 haha :D try reinstalling flash
[14:31] <R13ose> :P
[14:31] <Southern_Gentlem> reinstall chrome
[14:32] <rsv> R13ose: how did you install chrome on 16.04. i am seeing issues with that
[14:33] <R13ose> rsv: I thought Chrome came with Ubuntu if not, through one of the software applications
[14:33] <rsv> R13ose: it does not
[14:33] <R13ose> well through a software application
[14:34] <rsv> R13ose: http://pastebin.ca/3732354
[14:35] <R13ose> rsv: what do you want me to do with that?
[14:35] <FatSpitfire> R13ose , sudo apt-get remove chrome
[14:35] <FatSpitfire> R13ose , sudo apt-get install chrome
[14:35] <R13ose> I am using Chrome now
[14:36] <rsv> R13ose: i am just telling you that i am having trouble installing chrome. if you know how to fix it. let me know. if not, thats okay
[14:36] <FatSpitfire> rsv , on yours it sais that there is a wrong data.tar.xz file - I think it must be a tar.gz , maybe that`s what`s wrong
[14:37] <R13ose> rev: read this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/87344/google-chrome-stable-current-amd64-deb-file-could-not-be-opened
[14:37] <R13ose> FatSpitfire: I can't uninstall this if I am using this now.
[14:38] <thenwkg> Hello, is it possible when i type, let's say "cd code" for it to cd to a long file path, like /media/name/partition/bla/bla/bla ?
[14:38] <FatSpitfire> don`t install it from a .deb but use a command - it was something like sudo apt-get install chrome-unstable or smth
[14:38] <rsv> R13ose: i have seen that - that does not help
[14:38] <EriC^^> thenwkg: yeah
[14:38] <thenwkg> EriC^^: i have seen it somewhere, but i don't remember how. Can you please tell me ?
[14:38] <EriC^^> thenwkg: you can make an alias cdcode='cd /blablabla'
[14:38] <R13ose> rsv: what about this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/476423/google-chrome-installation-error
[14:39] <EriC^^> thenwkg: try "alias cdcode='cd /blablabla'"
[14:39] <FatSpitfire> R13ose , do it from the Ubuntu software center than
[14:39] <R13ose> FatSpitfire: uninstall first?
[14:40] <FatSpitfire> rsv , basically it sais that you use a bad .deb package - so use the sudo code for the unstable version - I always use it
[14:40] <FatSpitfire> R13ose , yes
[14:41] <R13ose> FatSpitfire: will all my tabs be lost?
[14:41] <rsv> FatSpitfire: i used a sudo
[14:41] <FatSpitfire> R13ose , after that write in terminal : sudo apt-get autoclean  , before installing it again
[14:41] <FatSpitfire> R13ose , yep
[14:42] <R13ose> I don't want that
[14:42] <R13ose> there must be a way to solve this without uninstalling
[14:42] <FatSpitfire> hm ... ok , let`s think a bit than
[14:43] <DustyNuts> Yo yo
[14:43] <FatSpitfire> rsv , did it work ? sudo apt-get install chrome-unstable
[14:44] <FatSpitfire> R13ose , sudo dpkg-reconfigure chrome ;)
[14:46] <DustyNuts> What problems are you guys having?
[14:47] <R13ose> FatSpitfire: trying
[14:50] <R13ose> FatSpitfire: didn't seem to work
[14:51] <kentung> i mean grub4dos
[14:52] <Murii> How can I install libudev ?
[14:56] <Murii> How can I install libudev ?
[14:57] <Pici> Murii: sudo apt install libudev1
[14:58] <Murii> i already got that
[14:58] <Pici> Murii: so, whats the problem then?
[14:58] <Murii> Pici: I got to have libudev.so
[14:59] <Murii> for Popcorn Time
[14:59] <Pici> Murii: It sounds like you might actually want libudev-dev
[15:00] <Murii> same error
[15:08] <some> how can i give user2 read-access to user1/sub/folder/* but not the directories below it (user/sub/* and user/*)?
[15:09] <EriC^^> some: he needs +x to user1 and user1/sub
[15:09] <EriC^^> if he as +x to other dirs and he guesses the name he can access them, so -rwx the other dirs in it
[15:11] <ubuntu-mate> hello
[15:11] <ubuntu-mate> i need help fixing grub from live usb
[15:11] <ubuntu-mate> i have dual boot debian/xenial
[15:11] <some> EriC^^: Isnt x executable? I only want user2 only read the files from that folder and not being able do access the folders below it at all (except maybe the tree going to that folder it is allowed to)
[15:11] <ubuntu-mate> grub went bananas
[15:11] <ubuntu-mate> i am trying to fix it but no dice
[15:12] <ubuntu-mate> any help?
[15:12] <EriC^^> ubuntu-mate: type sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999 and paste the link
[15:12] <ubuntu-mate> EriC^^, http://termbin.com/dnil
[15:13] <EriC^^> some: give him +x to the dirs before it and rx on the dir that has the file
[15:13] <ubuntu-mate> by grub lies here: Model: ATA FASTDISK 32G (scsi)
[15:15] <ubuntu-mate> FASTDISK is mounted at /mnt
[15:15] <ubuntu-mate> and i have chroot to it
[15:15] <ubuntu-mate> EriC^^, help...
[15:16] <ubuntu-mate>  sudo grub-install /dev/sdf1
[15:16] <EriC^^> ubuntu-mate: that's the root partition?
[15:16] <marcel> hi
[15:16] <ubuntu-mate> grub-install: error: failed to get canonical path of `/cow'.
[15:16] <EriC^^> ubuntu-mate: which one has the root partition?
[15:16] <Brebblella> Hi, I've installed ubuntu, changed to XFCE, but the nm-applet is missing from the indicator panel. nm-applet appears to be loaded, and a notification pops up saying there are wifi networks to connect to, but it's not in the indicator area. Any ideas?
[15:16] <ubuntu-mate> this /dev/sdf
[15:17] <ubuntu-mate>  sudo grub-install -d /media/ubuntu-mate/4dee794a-e8cc-45e6-82a0-f92fa70e71b0/boot/grub /dev/sdf
[15:17] <EriC^^> ubuntu-mate: easy with the commands for a sec :D
[15:17] <EriC^^> ubuntu-mate: type ls /mnt tell me what you see
[15:17] <ppf> ubuntu-mate: grub-install expects a device, not a partition
[15:17] <ubuntu-mate> EriC^^, i see folders
[15:18] <EriC^^> ubuntu-mate: /boot /etc ?
[15:18] <ubuntu-mate> aha
[15:18] <ubuntu-mate> all
[15:18] <EriC^^> ok
[15:18] <EriC^^> type the following line
[15:18] <EriC^^> for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt$i; done
[15:19] <DJromuno> hello world
[15:19] <ubuntu-mate> note that my current grub is from debian jessie
[15:19] <ubuntu-mate> i did write that line nothing happened
[15:19] <EriC^^> ubuntu-mate: ok, type sudo chroot /mnt
[15:19] <ubuntu-mate> went to next line
[15:19] <DJromuno> what is the purpose of this chat?
[15:20] <EriC^^> DJromuno: ubuntu support channel
[15:20] <ppf> DJromuno: help people with their ubuntu issues
[15:20] <ppf> or ask people about your ubuntu problems
[15:20] <Bashing-om> DJromuno: This channel is ubuntu support .
[15:20] <ppf> depending on whether you're a helper or a helpee
[15:21] <EriC^^> ubuntu-mate: done?
[15:21] <ubuntu-mate> yes
[15:21] <EriC^^> ubuntu-mate: type "mount -a"
[15:22] <ubuntu-mate> mount: only root can use "--all" option
[15:22] <EriC^^> ubuntu-mate: did you type sudo chroot /mnt ?
[15:22] <EriC^^> you should get a root shell after that
[15:22] <ubuntu-mate> oh you need me to be in chroot enviroment?
[15:22] <EriC^^> yeah
[15:22] <ubuntu-mate> ok wait
[15:23] <Brebblella> Anyone?
[15:23] <ubuntu-mate> ok i am now
[15:23] <ubuntu-mate> same line again?
[15:23] <EriC^^> Brebblella: maybe it crashed for some reason
[15:23] <bindi> why does it take 1 second to complete alttab when im playing video in my browser?
[15:23] <EriC^^> Brebblella: try nm-applet & exit
[15:24] <anon-desktop> tip: "sudo su" root privileges in all new lines in the terminal
[15:24] <bindi> or rather why does the video pause..
[15:24] <ubuntu-mate> mount: mount point /var/log/apt does not exist
[15:25] <EriC^^> ubuntu-mate: you did mount -a in the chroot ?
[15:25] <ubuntu-mate> yes it doesnt work
[15:25] <Brebblella> EriC^^: nm-applet is still loaded, it's in ps ax
[15:25] <Jakey3> how do i remove programs in ubuntu mate 16.04 in the gui?
[15:25] <EriC^^> ubuntu-mate: type cat /etc/fstab | nc termbin.com 9999 in the chroot
[15:25] <EriC^^> Jakey3: software center
[15:25] <Brebblella> EriC^^: thanks for trying though
[15:26] <ubuntu-mate> http://termbin.com/jpzc
[15:26] <Jakey3> EriC^^, is that software boutique in ubuntu mate?
[15:26] <ppf> Brebblella: pkill nm-applet && nm-applet&
[15:27] <Brebblella> ppf: No luck. I also tried restarting network-manager, and changing nm-applet so it launches as the user instead of root, all dead ends
[15:27] <anon-desktop> Hi Jakey3
[15:27] <EriC^^> Jakey3: i think so
[15:28] <anon-desktop> I use ubuntu mate
[15:28] <EriC^^> Brebblella: does dmesg | grep nm-applet show anything?
[15:28] <anon-desktop> how can i help you
[15:28] <Brebblella> EriC^^: unfortunately not, any idea where else I might find logs to do with nm-applet?
[15:28] <EriC^^> ubuntu-mate: grub-install --recheck /dev/sdf
[15:29] <Jakey3> anon-desktop,  how do i remove programs in ubuntu mate 16.04 in the gui?
[15:29] <ubuntu-mate> EriC^^, in chroot?
[15:29] <EriC^^> Brebblella: ~/.xsession-errors maybe?
[15:29] <EriC^^> Brebblella: does starting it from the terminal show anything at all?
[15:29] <Brebblella> EriC^^: nice, I'll try
[15:29] <EriC^^> ubuntu-mate: yeah
[15:29] <Brebblella> EriC^^: nope
[15:29] <ubuntu-mate> i run your command in chroot
[15:29] <ubuntu-mate> EriC^^, grub-install: error: will not proceed with blocklists.
[15:30] <EriC^^> ubuntu-mate: ah
[15:30] <Brebblella> EriC^^: nope nothing
[15:30] <EriC^^> it's cause you dont have a partition i think
[15:30] <EriC^^> ubuntu-mate: can you install grub to another disk?
[15:30] <ubuntu-mate> yes
[15:30] <ubuntu-mate> sec
[15:30] <Brebblella> Pff..
[15:31] <ubuntu-mate> EriC^^, sdg1
[15:31] <anon-desktop> sudo apt-get --purge remove <programname>
[15:31] <ubuntu-mate> have to remove grub from sdf though first right?
[15:31] <ppf> ubuntu-mate: that's a partition not a device
[15:31] <ubuntu-mate> EriC^^, ?
[15:32] <ppf> and no need to remove grub
[15:32] <EriC^^> ubuntu-mate: no it's ok but you have to point your bios to sdg
[15:32] <EriC^^> ubuntu-mate: you have an install in sdg right?
[15:32] <ppf> ubuntu-mate: can you paste blkid please?
[15:32] <anon-desktop> and if you want to see the package names you want to uninstall : dpkg --list
[15:33] <ubuntu-mate> EriC^^, in sdg is my xenial
[15:33] <Brebblella> EriC^^, ppf: the weird thing is, the nm-applet was visible on a previous reboot. I can't isolate what changed since, but something has screwed it up... :/
[15:35] <EriC^^> ubuntu-mate: ok let's chroot into it then and install grub from there?
[15:35] <EriC^^> ubuntu-mate: it will control grub though so you'd have to do maintenance stuff from there
[15:36] <ubuntu-mate> ok tel me what to do from here
[15:36] <ubuntu-mate> unmount /mnt
[15:36] <ubuntu-mate> ?
[15:37] <EriC^^> ubuntu-mate: yeah
[15:37] <EriC^^> umount /mnt
[15:37] <ubuntu-mate> umount: /mnt: umount failed: Operation not permitted
[15:37] <EriC^^> i think it has a recursive function for the dev stuff in case it whines
[15:37] <ubuntu-mate> either sudo works
[15:37] <ubuntu-mate> :)
[15:37] <EriC^^> ubuntu-mate: type exit first, then try sudo umount /mnt
[15:38] <EriC^^> awesome it does
[15:38] <EriC^^> try sudo umount -R /mnt
[15:38] <ubuntu-mate> i did type exit from chroot
[15:38] <EriC^^> god bless whoever wrote that program
[15:38] <EriC^^> :p
[15:38] <ubuntu-mate> umount: /mnt: target is busy
[15:38] <EriC^^> try sudo umount -R /mnt
[15:38] <|VAH|-BlueTu> lolololol
[15:38] <ubuntu-mate> and doesnt mount
[15:38] <EriC^^> make sure you're not cd'd into it anywhere
[15:39] <ubuntu-mate> ok worked
[15:39] <ubuntu-mate> EriC^^, next
[15:39] <EriC^^> ok type sudo mount /dev/sdg1 /mnt
[15:40] <ubuntu-mate> done
[15:40] <EriC^^> for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt$i; done
[15:40] <EriC^^> type the for line ^
[15:41] <ubuntu-mate> want me to chroot to /mount?
[15:41] <ubuntu-mate> want me to chroot to /mnt?
[15:41] <EriC^^> yeah
[15:41] <EriC^^> (/mnt)
[15:41] <EriC^^> yeah
[15:42] <ubuntu-mate> ok am in root@ubuntu-mate:/#
[15:42] <ubuntu-mate> now ?
[15:42] <EriC^^> try mount -a
[15:43] <ubuntu-mate> worked
[15:43] <ubuntu-mate> now?
[15:43] <EriC^^> grub-install --recheck /dev/sdg
[15:43] <EriC^^> then update-grub
[15:43] <ubuntu-mate> no go
[15:43] <ubuntu-mate> grub-install: error: cannot find a device for /boot/grub (is /dev mounted?).
[15:44] <visvk> sudo su
[15:44] <EriC^^> ubuntu-mate: did you run the for line?
[15:44] <ubuntu-mate> nope
[15:44] <EriC^^> open another terminal and run it
[15:45] <EriC^^> then back to chroot
[15:46] <ubuntu-mate> EriC^^, type: for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt$i; done not in chroot? but in a new terminal?
[15:46] <EriC^^> yeah
[15:47] <ubuntu-mate> grub-install: warning: Sector 32 is already in use by the program `FlexNet'; avoiding it.  This software may cause boot or other problems in future.  Please ask its authors not to store data in the boot track.
[15:47] <ubuntu-mate> Installation finished. No error reported.
[15:47] <EriC^^> that's ok
[15:47] <ubuntu-mate> oh ok
[15:47] <EriC^^> now update-grub
[15:47] <ubuntu-mate> ok sec
[15:47] <ubuntu-mate> hmm
[15:48] <ubuntu-mate> doesnt see my debian installation on sdf
[15:48] <EriC^^> ?
[15:48] <EriC^^> hmm
[15:48] <EriC^^> does it see other linux installs you have?
[15:49] <ubuntu-mate> EriC^^, https://paste.ubuntu.com/23374896/
[15:49] <EriC^^> odd
[15:49] <ubuntu-mate> i prob cant boot into my debian jessie right now
[15:50] <EriC^^> yeah
[15:51] <ubuntu-mate> and?
[15:51] <EriC^^> ubuntu-mate: i guess use the debian install to install in sdg
[15:51] <ubuntu-mate> any fix i can try
[15:51] <ubuntu-mate> u mean reinstall debian?
[15:51] <EriC^^> i think grub doesn't find it cause its using the whole disk
[15:51] <EriC^^> no partition
[15:51] <EriC^^> no, just chroot from debian again and do grub-install --recheck /dev/sdg
[15:52] <ubuntu-mate> yeah i noticed it doesnt have sdf-1
[15:52] <EriC^^> type exit, then sudo umount -R /mnt
[15:52] <EriC^^> then sudo mount /dev/sdf /mnt
[15:52] <EriC^^> and run the for line again
[15:52] <EriC^^> for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt$i; done
[15:53] <genii> If you did something like mkfs /dev/sdz instead of mkfs /dev/sdz1 then the only way to make it boot from that is put a chainload entry into grub
[15:53] <ubuntu-mate> done
[15:53] <ubuntu-mate> next?
[15:53] <EriC^^> genii: can he tell os-prober to look for OS's in disks?
[15:53] <EriC^^> ubuntu-mate: you ran the for line?
[15:53] <ubuntu-mate> yes
[15:54] <genii> EriC^^: As far as i know, not on a raw device, only partitions
[15:54] <EriC^^> ok sudo chroot /mnt
[15:54] <ubuntu-mate> am in
[15:54] <EriC^^> then grub-install --recheck /dev/sdg and let's see what happens
[15:55] <ubuntu-mate> now it works
[15:55] <ubuntu-mate> weird
[15:55] <ubuntu-mate> Installing for i386-pc platform.
[15:55] <ubuntu-mate> grub-install: warning: Sector 32 is already in use by the program `FlexNet'; avoiding it.  This software may cause boot or other problems in future.  Please ask its authors not to store data in the boot track.
[15:55] <ubuntu-mate> Installation finished. No error reported.
[15:55] <EriC^^> i wonder how it will tell grub about the disk
[15:55] <ubuntu-mate> now?
[15:55] <EriC^^> if not using the UUID, or it uses something else?
[15:55] <EriC^^> ubuntu-mate: ok, update-grub
[15:55] <EriC^^> then run cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg | nc termbin.com 9999 for our curiosity satisfaction
[15:55] <EriC^^> :D
[15:56] <ubuntu-mate> EriC^^, https://paste.ubuntu.com/23374922/
[15:57] <EriC^^> ok found the sdg one and windows
[15:57] <ubuntu-mate> http://termbin.com/y0xy
[15:57] <ubuntu-mate> is this ok? mount: /dev/sdh1 is already mounted or /mnt/h1 busy
[15:58] <genii> Just supplemental... That Flexnet warning is Adobe's copy protection scheme where hey put a key into the MBR for products like Photoshop
[15:58] <EriC^^> ubuntu-mate: yeah
[15:58] <EriC^^> ubuntu-mate: it looks good
[15:58] <ubuntu-mate> so now what?
[15:58] <ubuntu-mate> i now have 2 grub
[15:59] <EriC^^> ubuntu-mate: now set the bios to boot sdg
[15:59] <ubuntu-mate> but my current sdg grub doesnt see the debian sdf
[15:59] <EriC^^> genii: aha i thought it was some mbr protection software
[15:59] <ubuntu-mate> EriC^^, :)
[15:59] <EriC^^> that an antivirus installs
[16:00] <EriC^^> ubuntu-mate: it does, it picked itself up
[16:00] <EriC^^> found linux 3.1.....
[16:00] <ubuntu-mate> leave both grubs on the 2 hdd as they are?
[16:01] <EriC^^> ubuntu-mate: yeah it should boot
[16:01] <ubuntu-mate> ok thanks
[16:01] <ubuntu-mate> lets try it
[16:01] <ubuntu-mate> :)
[16:01] <ubuntu-mate> thank you for your time
[16:01] <EriC^^> but if you ever remove the debian install it'll fall flat on its face
[16:02] <EriC^^> no problem :D
[16:02] <ubuntu-mate> lol
[16:02] <ubuntu-mate> wont sdg1 take over?
[16:02] <steveire> Hello. I have created a liveusb disk. I need to add a command line to the kernel load line in grub before booting. However, when I boot the computer from the liveusb, I do not get a grub menu. Is there a shortcut I need to press?
[16:02] <ubuntu-mate> if i remove sdf debian?
[16:02] <ubuntu-mate> EriC^^, ...?
[16:02] <EriC^^> ubuntu-mate: nope, it will search for sdf cause it needs /boot
[16:02] <EriC^^> then you get grub rescue>
[16:03] <ubuntu-mate> i have boot in sdg1 too
[16:03] <ubuntu-mate> sdg1 is bootable
[16:03] <EriC^^> yeah but it doesn't know about it
[16:03] <ubuntu-mate> i see
[16:03] <ubuntu-mate> i"ll be back one day then :)
[16:03] <EriC^^> lol
[16:03] <EriC^^> :D
[16:04] <ubuntu-mate> see u
[16:04] <EriC^^> steveire: hold shift
[16:05] <Bashing-om> steveire: As soon as the bios screen clears press a shift key -> language screen; escape key to accpet the default -> grub boot menu -> F6 key for options .
[16:05] <EriC^^> steveire: also you might need to disable fastboot
[16:05] <steveire> EriC^^: Ok, thanks.
[16:05] <rocket__> hi
[16:05] <rocket__> skype is running even after i closed the app
[16:05] <rocket__> the process still sends data
[16:05] <steveire> I was trying it today on a computer in a shop (need to know it works before buying). I can try again tomorrow or maybe later.
[16:05] <later> hi
[16:05] <steveire> :)
[16:06] <steveire> I'll try the shift trick on this computer too meanwhile.
[16:06] <rocket__> can i stop that?
[16:06] <steveire> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1986975 says to press f6 though?
[16:06] <EriC^^> steveire: it depends if you boot it in uefi mode or legacy
[16:07] <EriC^^> in uefi you get a black and white grub menu, in legacy you get a menu with lots of stuff
[16:07] <steveire> I was able to boot the shop computer in legacy mode. That makes things easier, right?
[16:07] <Bashing-om> steveire: Yeah my ups ^ .. F6 key at the boot menu .
[16:07] <steveire> Bashing-om: do you mean the grub boot menu? I don't get that at all.
[16:08] <EriC^^> steveire: f6 in the legacy menu
[16:08] <steveire> From the bios I select boot from usb, then I get a failed attempt to boot from the usb (I think I need to add nomodeset to the kernel load line)
[16:08] <EriC^^> in the uefi menu you need to press e and manually edit the line then press ctrl+x
[16:08] <Bashing-om> steveire: And you will not untill you get grub's attention that you want to see that menu . Now maybe if a EFI system it is the escape key that grub will look for .
[16:09] <steveire> EriC^^: If you talk about 'the uefi menu' you are talking about something provided from grub? I don't see any such menu at all. I actually did try pressing 'e' on boot, but from my memory, that's something that I should press when I am looking at a grub menu
[16:09] <EriC^^> steveire: maybe it's a secureboot issue
[16:10] <steveire> EriC^^: I have actually never seen a grub menu when booting from a usb disk.
[16:10] <steveire> Do I explicitly need to install grub on the disk first?
[16:10] <EriC^^> steveire: nope, if you boot in uefi mode you get a grub menu
[16:11] <steveire> EriC^^: Hmm, I don't know - I did boot in uefi mode but I don't recall seeing a grub menu.
[16:12] <EriC^^> you got can't boot from usb immediately?
[16:13] <steveire> EriC^^: Can you rephrase? I don't know what that sentence should mean.
[16:13] <EriC^^> steveire: i mean when you booted in uefi mode, you just got an error saying "can't boot from usb" ?
[16:13] <uddane> hello, has anyone ever gotten HBOgo to work using an IE emulator or Wine?
[16:14] <steveire> Nope. It attempted to boot ubuntu, but the splash screen froze and it did not boot
[16:14] <EriC^^> oh
[16:14] <steveire> So - I want to edit the kernel load line.
[16:15] <EriC^^> try holding shift when the pc boots
[16:16] <steveire> Right, I'll try that.
[16:22] <network_fu> Totally off topic, but does anyone know of actual hiring practices of cononical? Like will they hire convicted felons or will they not even consider them?
[16:24] <abc__> ping
[17:01] <MIKUBUNTU> two questions. is it possible to (ssh?) remotely into a live session (usb?), and, if yes would there be a volunteer knowlegeable in the technique to engage me in open channel (so that we can comment and others can learn from the experience) in an remote diagnostic help session to see what is wrong with my laptop that went black screen of death immediately after a software update (lubuntu) several mos ago? i don't mind opening my 
[17:02] <MIKUBUNTU> it's an hp laptop, and i just ran diagnostic memory test = passed
[17:03] <debkad> MIKUBUNTU: live session is just same as any other system, it is just from memory side, so ssh into it is the same imho
[17:04] <Bashing-om> !nomodeset | MIKUBUNTU Try and advise:
[17:05] <MIKUBUNTU> debkad: cool. so first i have to go to cuz house to burn a stick.
[17:05] <debkad> yeah :)
[17:05] <MIKUBUNTU> Bashing-om: i wonder if it is nomodeset issue. i can vaguely remember having some issue on some box that was.
[17:06] <MIKUBUNTU> just ran quick diag on hard drive and result is smartcheck passed, short dst passed
[17:07] <Bashing-om> MIKUBUNTU: A likely thing is that the update broke the proprietary graphics'd driver . boot 'nomodeset' and see what the graphic's situation is .
[17:07] <MIKUBUNTU> Bashing-om: that's above my paygrade, r u available to help me thru it?
[17:09] <MIKUBUNTU> i just tried to boot it again and i get screen: boot device not found please install an OS on u hdd. hd 3f0
[17:09] <Bashing-om> MIKUBUNTU: Is no big deal .. read the bot's link . THEN if ya have troubles we discuss from common ground .
[17:09] <EriC^^> MIKUBUNTU: hp?
[17:09] <MIKUBUNTU> EriC^^: yes hp
[17:10] <EriC^^> i had that happen to me on another hp laptop
[17:10] <EriC^^> it started saying that, it's a motherboard bug
[17:10] <EriC^^> converting to legacy works, so i converted the install
[17:10] <MIKUBUNTU> Bashing-om: problem is the machine i'm on has a failing hardrive (that's why the urgency to get other box working) and one issue is that it's not rendering a lot of webpages
[17:10] <EriC^^> try choosing legacy in the bios and see if it will boot fine
[17:11] <MIKUBUNTU> EriC^^: let me see if it has that option
[17:12] <MIKUBUNTU> the webpage about nomodeset saying this site can't be reached
[17:13] <Bashing-om> MIKUBUNTU: Nope the page is there for me .. what results ' ping -c3 ubuntu.com ' ?
[17:13] <acerubuntu> hi
[17:14] <acerubuntu> i am very new to ubuntu
[17:14] <kaddouri> how are you
[17:14] <acerubuntu> i installed 16.04
[17:14] <acerubuntu> hi kaddouri
[17:14] <Bashing-om> !manual | acerubuntu
[17:14] <acerubuntu> i am fine thank you.
[17:14] <acerubuntu> and you?
[17:14] <gnome_> hello, i am new on irc
[17:14] <`{^v^}> hello
[17:14] <kaddouri> I think you have to learn so hard acerubuntu
[17:15] <acerubuntu> yes. i think so too..haha
[17:15] <acerubuntu> actually i have a question..
[17:15] <kaddouri> I spent more than 5 years for knowing ubuntu
[17:16] <kaddouri> but in fact I knew a few
[17:16] <acerubuntu> your making my heart sink
[17:16] <acerubuntu> haha
[17:16] <kaddouri> it is based on command shells
[17:17] <acerubuntu> that i don't understand..will look it up later
[17:17] <acerubuntu> there is 1 thing i am struggling now
[17:17] <kaddouri> and in fact every free software in Unix platform has the same version on windows
[17:17] <acerubuntu> installing java plugin for firefox
[17:18] <acerubuntu> i am sure you have done it before
[17:18] <MIKUBUNTU> EriC^^: so to be clear, you wanted me to enable 'legacy support' and then try to boot in normally?
[17:19] <kaddouri> the good thing in Lunix platform that your system is protected from pirates and spies
[17:19] <EriC^^> MIKUBUNTU: the live usb, yes
[17:19] <kaddouri> acerubuntu
[17:20] <acerubuntu> @Kaddouri
[17:20] <kaddouri> if you want to go to the hole of rabit you have to follow me
[17:21] <holmser> running into an interesting issue:  when I ssh into a new server it isn't defaulting to bash.  It's giving me the sh prompt
[17:21] <depredador> hi, my friends
[17:21] <holmser> but when I log in via a physical keyboard bash works
[17:21] <kaddouri> I suggest that you use at least the Ubuntu 12.04
[17:22] <james1138> Hello all! Question about the software "Cheese". I install it without problem but when I try to run the application - it says "missing GStreamer - camerabin"!! Anyone has ideas on how to fix... or if not possible - how to add extra video filters (effects) to Guvcview??
[17:22] <kaddouri> acer ubuntu you want to learn
[17:25] <MIKUBUNTU> EriC^^: so NOT into the OS on the box? after i enabled legacy support i ended up back at an ubuntu recovery page, and when i selected ubuntu i came to a page of output that ends with "end kernel panic - not syncing; vfs, unable to mount root fs on unknown block 0,0
[17:26] <ioria> holmser, have you tried    ssh -t user@ipserver "bash -l"   ?
[17:26] <EriC^^> MIKUBUNTU: does f9 show you a uefi menu with stuff in it?
[17:26] <EriC^^> when mine went bad the efi list got deleted
[17:26] <EriC^^> when uefi was selected
[17:26] <MIKUBUNTU> EriC^^: lemme see
[17:30] <MIKUBUNTU> EriC^^: i (somehow) got to a grub page with a whole of apparently earlier versions from 4.2.0-38 (current?) back to 3.13.0-51 -- should i select one of those
[17:31] <MIKUBUNTU> looks like about 11 versions including upstart and recovery
[17:33] <speaker1234> I'm running into problems with Samba on 16.04. Using the stock configuration and on commenting the [home] section, I'm unable to login and access the share unless I also add user entry with smbpasswd. Obviously something changed from the last release but I can't find any solutions on the forums or the web at large. Suggestions?
[17:34] <acerubuntu> guys i get this while installing the java plugin for firefox
[17:34] <acerubuntu> ln: failed to create symbolic link './libnpjp2.so': Permission denied
[17:35] <acerubuntu> can anyone please tell me what to do?
[17:35] <speaker1234> acerubuntu, are you installing at root?
[17:35] <acerubuntu> i do not know root?
[17:35] <acerubuntu> how do i go there?
[17:35] <bindi> how can i disable mouse 1 + mouse 2 doing mouse 3?
[17:36] <speaker1234> acerubuntu, are you using sudo?
[17:36] <acerubuntu> no
[17:36] <speaker1234> acerubuntu installing via cli or gui
[17:36] <acerubuntu> i just used this ln -s /usr/lib/jvm/java-8-oracle/jre/lib/amd64/libnpjp2.so
[17:37] <speaker1234> That looks like an incomplete command
[17:37] <speaker1234> In any case, you want to start with sudo so you can elevate privileges to root level
[17:37] <acerubuntu> you mean sudo ln -s /usr/lib/jvm/java-8-oracle/jre/lib/amd64/libnpjp2.so?
[17:37] <ppf> yes
[17:38] <acerubuntu> ok let me try that..
[17:38] <speaker1234> acerubuntu, yes
[17:39] <acerubuntu> how do i know it worked?
[17:39] <acerubuntu> nothing happened
[17:39] <MIKUBUNTU> EriC^^: just wanted to know before i power down to try the f9 thing
[17:39] <ioria> ls -s   source    destination
[17:39] <ppf> acerubuntu: ls -alh libnpjp2.so
[17:39] <ioria> sorry, ln -s   source    destination
[17:39] <bindi> how can I disable emulate3button? shouldn't it be disabled automatically when I have a mouse with multiple buttons..?
[17:39] <ppf> ioria: destination is optional
[17:40] <MIKUBUNTU> EriC^^: or should i power down and check uefi first
[17:40] <ioria> oh, right
[17:40] <acerubuntu> i am already inside the usr/lib/firefox-addons/plugins
[17:41] <ioria> acerubuntu, do you want to make a symbolic link ?
[17:41] <acerubuntu> then i typed the sudo ln -s /usr/lib/jvm/java-8-oracle/jre/lib/amd64/libnpjp2.so
[17:41] <acerubuntu> yes ioria!
[17:41] <ioria> acerubuntu,  from what to what ?
[17:41] <bindi> found it, xinput..
[17:42] <ppf> acerubuntu: you created the link already
[17:42] <ppf> run my command and it will tell you so
[17:42] <ppf> and that's it
[17:42] <FatSpitfire> h,f;ulelr/
[17:42] <acerubuntu> of ppf. 1 minute
[17:42] <FatSpitfire> tyxz
[17:43] <FatSpitfire> '\]-=097652123456gdlgjwkehl
[17:43] <acerubuntu> ppf, ioria, speaker..here is what i got...lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 52 Oct 25 01:38 libnpjp2.so -> /usr/lib/jvm/java-8-oracle/jre/lib/amd64/libnpjp2.so
[17:44] <acerubuntu> what does it mean?
[17:44] <ioria> looks ok
[17:44] <ppf> acerubuntu: means you're done
[17:44] <ppf> (with your original question)
[17:44] <acerubuntu> awesome! haha
[17:45] <acerubuntu> thank you guys!
[17:45] <acerubuntu> let me test this now..
[17:49] <MIKUBUNTU> i selected an upstart of lub 15.10, but i guess i've forgotten my password. it went to the login screen and i tried to login to guest session but it wont start the session, just keeps coming back to the login dialog box
[17:49] <MIKUBUNTU> i never could get anything from f9
[17:49] <ioria> well, 15.10 is dead anyway
[17:50] <MIKUBUNTU>  i really really really would like to recover tis system for my data. guess i will go burn a usb and see if i can possible boot into it and somehow copy my stuff out
[17:51] <ioria> MIKUBUNTU, open a console, plug in a usb, and copy over
[17:51] <Bashing-om> MIKUBUNTU: A liveUSB sounds like a good plan to me .
[17:51] <ioria> MIKUBUNTU,  ctrl+alt+F1 (or F2)
[17:53] <MIKUBUNTU> ioria: dang wish i would have seen your solution 2 seconds earlier, tryinng to boot up and see if i can get a console
[17:55] <Bray90820> Can someone help me I am her eon ubuntu  16.10 on a non pro surface 3 and any browser seems to crash my system to the point I need to hard restart
[17:55] <MIKUBUNTU> ioria: can i do that from grub page?
[17:56] <ioria> MIKUBUNTU, there is recovery -> root shell if you want, but you can boot, reach the login screen and open a console
[17:57] <mikeymop> does anyone recall the library added to ubuntu unity that allowed search terms to complete regardless of typos
[17:57] <mikeymop> it's not zeitgeist is it?
[17:57] <MIKUBUNTU> ioria: are you talking about selecting 'c' on the grub page for a shell?
[17:58] <mikeymop> i think it was added in 13.04?
[17:58] <ioria> MIKUBUNTU, no .. Advanced Options -> recovery mode
[17:58] <DavidFromBE> hi, could anyone install AMDGPU-Pro Driver on Ubuntu 16.10 ?
[17:59] <Bashing-om> DavidFromBE: No, that driver is in the kernel for the supported card .
[17:59] <MIKUBUNTU> ioria: so the page of output tht ends in "end kernel panic, etc .. " is that a shell/terminal?
[18:00] <MIKUBUNTU> ioria: has a blinking cursor
[18:01] <ioria> MIKUBUNTU, i guess not
[18:01] <DavidFromBE> Bashing-om: where can I find more information about this ? I have a RX480 gpu that I can't use
[18:01] <mikeymop> it was added in raring
[18:01] <Karl123> Hello. I sort of messed up my install of gadmin-proftpd. I then sudo apt-get remove gadmin-proftpd - unfortunately I think some leftover files remained, when I tried installing a second time, it didn't go thru the usual fresh install config, instead jumping right into the software, which was poorly configured.
[18:02] <Karl123> Can someone teach me how to completely uninstall the software and any of its settings/preference files/any leftover files from it?
[18:02] <MIKUBUNTU> ioria: so i'm trying to get back to a login page
[18:02] <peioe> anyone know a few nice games (tetris, columns etc) for an older person ? nothing like an FPS or more complex games
[18:03] <peioe> available on ubuntu (hence asking here obviously :p)
[18:03] <Bashing-om> DavidFromBE: the RX 480 does indeed take the amdGPU driver . and it should be un the kernel . My goto source: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Amdgpu .
[18:03] <MonkeyDust> peioe  neverput, a brainkiller, a nice timewaster
[18:03] <peioe> thanks
[18:04] <MonkeyDust> !info neverputt
[18:04] <peioe> thanks :)
[18:04] <MIKUBUNTU> ioria: is it a recovery mode bootup i want (from a previous version in the advanced options section?)
[18:04] <Pici> peioe: lbreakout2
[18:05] <peioe> :)
[18:05] <Pici> peioe: also fillets-ng
[18:08] <Bray90820> Where would I find the logs for this channel
[18:09] <Pici> !1984 | Bray90820
[18:10] <lshaw> I'm am looking for a way to enable low graphics mode for unity (16.10), can anyone help?
[18:10] <Bray90820> Pici: Thanks
[18:11] <mikeymop> it's libcolumbus, thanks guys
[18:12] <ducasse> Karl123: use 'apt purge' instead of 'apt remove', that will delete config as well.
[18:13] <ppf> lshaw: what's low graphics mode?
[18:14] <RikuKawai> I have an issue with 13.04, but it's a problem that could happen on supported versions too, is that valid?
[18:14] <ppf> RikuKawai: elaborate?
[18:15] <RikuKawai> I need to install packages from the repo and replace any installed packages that don't match the repo versions, even if the installed versions are newer
[18:16] <ppf> just install them, apt will take care of it
[18:16] <ppf> however!
[18:16] <lshaw>  ppf: exactly what it says on the tin. It's a way of running unity that doesn't kill graphics memory. I need to find it so I can try and get it working over x2go, which it can't currently
[18:17] <RikuKawai> it just says the package/all packages is/are already up to date
[18:17] <ppf> your system is so old, this can be difficult
[18:17] <RikuKawai> it's running on a 2012 nexus 7, so it's the latest supported version
[18:18] <Bashing-om> RikuKawai: Be aware 13.04's software repo no longer exists .
[18:18] <RikuKawai> I already changed it to old-releases.ubuntu.com
[18:18] <ppf> maybe there's a way to getthis to work with appropriate apt policies and package pinning?
[18:18] <RikuKawai> the problem stems from me being an idiot a year ago, so some of my packages are from debian stable
[18:19] <ppf> lshaw: https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/09/19/low-graphics-mode-in-unity-7/
[18:19] <ppf> this suggest you need to run initctl set-env -g UNITY_LOW_GFX_MODE=1
[18:19] <ppf> but that's upstart
[18:19] <ppf> what ubuntu are you on?
[18:20] <lshaw> ppf: Been there. That's for 16.04, different system in 16.10 for triggering it apparently, but can't find anymore info
[18:20] <Karl123> ducasse: I tried apt-purge and it didn't work unfortunately. Something is still being saved somewhere.
[18:21] <ducasse> Karl123: then it is probably under ~/.config/
[18:21] <Karl123> Ok, I will look. Also trying to restart the system. Thank you ducasse - I'm a Linux noob. :)
[18:23] <ppf> lshaw: maybe you're able to put that into /etc/systemd/user.conf
[18:23] <ducasse> Karl123: you can also do 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure gadmin-proftpd' to go through config again.
[18:24] <lshaw> ppf: Ok, will look into that, thanks.
[18:24] <ducasse> RikuKawai: are these base packages or application stuff?
[18:25] <sponge> hello
[18:25] <ppf> lshaw: there's a DefaultEnvironment, which applies to all user sessions
[18:26] <ppf> lshaw: you can also put that into the private user.conf
[18:26] <lshaw> ppf: yes, I am looking at it now
[18:26] <ppf> in ~/.config/systemd
[18:26] <RikuKawai> they're essential packages like libc6
[18:26] <sponge> Is there a difference between a ubuntu lts and a regular release? (except for the long term security updates). Is the LTS being designed specifically for enterprises? or just like a regular release but with longer support?
[18:27] <RikuKawai> I could reflash it if I could find the images for it anywhere
[18:27] <ppf> sponge: not officially, no
[18:27] <lshaw> ppf: That's great, i shall look into that. Thanks again
[18:28] <ducasse> RikuKawai: if we're talking about libc i would rather reflash. ask in #ubuntu-arm, someone might have a copy.
[18:28] <RikuKawai> ok
[18:28] <ppf> lshaw: man systemd-user.conf
[18:28] <ppf> :)
[18:28] <ppf> (for more details))
[18:29] <sponge> ppf, Is there an equivalent for RHEL/centOS and fedora in the ubuntu sphere? Like a special release built to be supported for a long run + bug fixes throughout this time?
[18:29] <ppf> sponge: debian?
[18:30] <BluesKaj> !LTS | sponge
[18:31] <sponge> BluesKaj, but supported means security fixes and probably not bug fixes, right?
[18:31] <ppf> sponge: no
[18:31] <ducasse> sponge: bug fixes too
[18:31] <ppf> supported means security, bugs and features (to some extent)
[18:32] <sponge> for the whole 5 years??
[18:32] <ppf> yes
[18:32] <ppf> that's the point
[18:32] <sponge> amazing.
[18:32] <BluesKaj> yes security upgrades plus fixes
[18:33] <sponge> I'm asking because I read few articles complaining about regressions between 14.04 and 16.04, and I was wondering if those are planned to be fixed / how are enterprises meant to coup with those regressions.
[18:33] <BluesKaj> sponge, I'm still running Kubuntu Trusty 14.04.4 and I still prefer it to the newer releases
[18:33] <ppf> sponge: they will be fixed
[18:34] <ppf> (what regressions are you on about, though?)
[18:34] <hackel> Anyone know what process would be creating hundreds of 0 byte /tmp/STP* files? (and not cleaning them up!)
[18:34] <BluesKaj> kubuntu means ubuntu with the kde/plasma desktop environment. sponge
[18:35] <logikos> setup basic lamp server and I can run php -r "phpinfo();" from the cli and it works .. and if i go to localhost/foo.txt i see the file i expect to see and if i go to localhost/foo.php (which simply does <?php var_dump(__FILE__); ) it works fine .. but if i go to localhost/phpinfo.php ( which does <?php phpinfo(); ) .. i get a 500 error
[18:35] <logikos> any ideas?
[18:36] <alevipri> hello everyone, why there are both ubuntu 14.04.4 and .5 in this page? → http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/
[18:36] <chernandez> HELLO
[18:36] <alevipri> Is it a bug or is it intentional?
[18:37] <chernandez> mexico hELLO
[18:37] <carly> hey there is anyone in here
[18:37] <Pici> !es | chernandez
[18:37] <alevipri> furthermore, ubuntu 14.04.4 is described as Ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS (Trusty Tahr) D:
[18:38] <niranjan> Hi, on 16.04, trying to figure out where definition of eth0 is coming from. /etc/network/interfaces just shows "lo" interface, but not eth0
[18:38] <sponge> BluesKaj, Why do you still prefer 14.04.4 to 16.04?
[18:38] <chernandez> mexico hELLO
[18:38] <carly> I need some help, if anyone can help me I am trying to install lubuntu on my sony vaio that i recently installed ubuntu onto
[18:38] <ducasse> niranjan: network manager, probably
[18:38] <niranjan> ducasse: How do I access it from command line? Don't have GUI access to the box
[18:39] <sponge> And do you backport plasma 5.7 or add repos for apps to be able to get updated (like wine/vlc/libreoffice/etc)?
[18:39] <carly> i'm new to all of this - just need some info is there anyone that knows about this?
[18:39] <ducasse> carly: why not just install lxde on top of ubuntu?
[18:39] <ducasse> niranjan: nmcli
[18:39] <niranjan> Thank you. Let me try it
[18:40] <otre> que onda
[18:40] <chernandez> WOLA
[18:40] <chernandez> JEJEJE
[18:40] <carly> ducasse: well the sony vaio has only 2gb ram and it's running real slow with ubuntu - i'm not familiar with any of this stuff but I basically couldn't even start my computer, the windows vista and non updated drives weren't working at all
[18:40] <chernandez> QUE PEDO
[18:40] <chernandez> WERCO
[18:40] <foo> Eh, must be something I'm missing here... I created dsa key, set it up to identify in ssh_config, added the .pub version to .ssh/authorized_keys on remote host... still asks me for a password. Did I miss something?
[18:40] <nicomachus> so... netflix works with Chrome but not Chromium? what's up with that?
[18:41] <BluesKaj> sponge, it's mainly a KDE/Plasma thing, some of my favourite features were dropped from 15.04 onward when KDE/Plasma5 was introduced
[18:41] <carly>  == ducasse so I am really not sure of how to do it but i'm creating a new bootable usb wit lubuntu
[18:41] <carly> wondering if i should just wipe the vaio again and reboot it?
[18:41] <jatt> foo: did you use ssh-copy-id?
[18:41] <ducasse> carly: just install the package lubuntu-desktop and you will have lubuntu
[18:41] <jaythelinuxguy> Netflix allegedly is supposed to work with Firefox with the latest version], but it doesn't.
[18:42] <carly> ducasse: so I just download it on the ubuntu desktop and replace it somehow?
[18:42] <foo> jatt: I generated the key on macbook air, ... no. But I do see that command , just installed via brew, I can try that. (Although it should still work with copy/paste...)
[18:42] <aleksey> ау
[18:42] <aleksey> у кого жестак не весь размкерпоказывает
[18:42] <ppf> carly: you can have both
[18:42] <nicomachus> !ru | aleksey
[18:42] <aleksey> там одни дебилы
[18:43] <ducasse> carly: just install it using a graphical package manager or the command line: 'sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop'
[18:43] <ppf> niranjan: is it still called eth0 for you?
[18:43] <BluesKaj> sponge, no doubt some fedora kde spin users feel the same as I do
[18:43] <aleksey> used gnome
[18:43] <carly> okay but ubuntu is running horrifyingly bad on the computer
[18:43] <aleksey> ok
[18:43] <carly> i mean it literally can't run anything for 1 minute without failing miserably
[18:43] <carly> so i figured lubuntu would be easier on it?
[18:43] <ppf> maybe
[18:43] <ppf> unity is kind of heavy
[18:43] <aleksey> plasma secret
[18:43] <ppf> give lxde a try then
[18:44] <foo> jatt: I tried with that, still doesn't work. I can ssh when I ssh from my macbook air with -vvv it does pass the private key of appropriate identity file...
[18:44] <foo> jatt: does ubuntu need anything else? Any special security? This is a fresh install
[18:44] <carly> ducasse is there a way to message one on one on this? I have no idea how i even got here
[18:44] <ppf> niranjan: the interfaces have different namestoday
[18:44] <ppf> carly: just discuss it in the channel
[18:44] <ppf> that's what this thing is for :)
[18:45] <ducasse> carly: there is, but we try to keep it in the channels so others can weigh in, and you don't get bad advice
[18:45] <carly> okay got ya
[18:46] <carly> So i did what the suggestions were out there, ran some terminal commands and changed the 60 to 10 to lower the pressure on ram
[18:46] <carly> but that didn't help, and then i installed preload..still works horribly
[18:46] <jatt> foo: can you pastebin the output of ssh -vvv that fails?
[18:46] <carly> so you think I should wipe clean and then use the USB boot to install lubuntu?
[18:46] <ppf> carly: sounds ominous
[18:46] <ducasse> carly: what fails, exactly?
[18:47] <ppf> carly: sudo apt install lubuntu-desktop
[18:47] <carly> that's all i'd have to do? Because it seems ubuntu is just too much for the hard drive or I installed it incorrectly. I mean basically when you think of it ducasse think of a computer we used in the 90s with dial up
[18:47] <jatt> foo: recent ssh versions disable some algorithms by default
[18:47] <carly> that's how slow everything is running and I have barely anything downloaded
[18:47] <ppf> yes it's all you need to do
[18:48] <jatt> foo: for instance I've in my .ssh/config things like
[18:48] <jatt> HostkeyAlgorithms ssh-dss
[18:48] <ppf> plus select an lxde session at login
[18:48] <aleksey> help url download plasma full
[18:48] <carly> ok and that will replace ubuntu with lu?
[18:48] <ppf> no, put it side by side
[18:48] <ducasse> carly: not replace, you choose at login
[18:48] <foo> jatt: to be clear, it fails but requires password. https://bpaste.net/show/861623efd3d3 ... hm, I have never needed that in the past, but I can try to add that
[18:49] <carly> wow...okay...I thought i'd have to remove since it's working so slowly
[18:49] <foo> jatt: and from that pastebin, jazz-key is the one I set up.
[18:49] <aleksey> foo  teamwiewr  loser
[18:50] <carly> now, if i have both side by side - will they both use the hard drive? I have the 64bit installed onto my 2gb RAM - just want to make sure
[18:50] <carly> thats the ubuntu i mean
[18:50] <ducasse> carly: the heavy stuff is started after login, lxde/lubuntu is a much lighter desktop
[18:50] <carly> okay perfect and then ubuntu will just sit there not really using much while i'm using lxde?
[18:51] <ppf> carly: yes they'll be installed side by side, so it'll cost you an extra half gig of diskspace or so
[18:51] <ducasse> carly: right.
[18:51] <ppf> carly: 'ubuntu' is the operating system and the eco system
[18:51] <ppf> on top of that runs the user session and the desktop environment
[18:51] <carly> Ok and lubuntu is the type of session got it
[18:52] <ppf> the latter is unity in a stock ubuntu (and unity is what's so heavy)
[18:52] <carly> so, any ideas on what I may have done wrong to make the ubuntu so slow
[18:52] <ducasse> carly: the base of both is the same.
[18:52] <ppf> lxde is the de that's part of the lubuntu setup
[18:52] <ppf> and unity v. lxde is the only difference between the to
[18:52] <ppf> two
[18:53] <ppf> carly: you didn't do anything wrong, your system is just a bit weak
[18:53] <carly> it's all so beautifully confusing i'm very new to this obviously....okay so they sort of have to go together...and if I install and use lubuntu it should work more smoothly?
[18:53] <ppf> 'lubuntu' is just the name of the bundle
[18:53] <ppf> right now you're installing LXDE
[18:53] <ppf> the L is for Lightweight, so yes
[18:53] <ducasse> carly: they are both the same operating system, just different graphical shells. unity is heavy, lxde is not.
[18:54] <carly> okay, so can we recap? Sorry i am so slow at this stuff...I should go onto the computer with ubuntu installed and run what should I do open terminal and run?
[18:54] <BlessJah> will linux-image-generic-lts-vivid (from trusty) receive patch for dirtycow?
[18:54] <ducasse> carly: 'sudo apt install lubuntu-desktop'
[18:54] <carly> okay and then give it a reboot afterwards?
[18:54] <ppf> no
[18:54] <ppf> just log out and back in
[18:54] <carly> awesome
[18:54] <ppf> and pick the LXDE session in the login screen
[18:55] <Bashing-om> BlessJah: That kernel is EOL .. you should be on xenial's kernel at this point .
[18:55] <ducasse> carly: but choose lubuntu instead of unity at login
[18:55] <carly> yes! This is amazing, no more having to wait 60 hours for the unetbootin to make a new bootable usb hah
[18:55] <ppf> there is a round thing that you can click on to pick the session, next to your username or top right of the screen
[18:55] <carly> okay got it
[18:55] <BlessJah> Bashing-om: assuming that I have reason to stay on 3.19, is it definitely EOL or will receive some updates? (some shitty drivers or sth, due to which I've stayed on 3.19)
[18:56] <carly> anything else I should do or should I be smooth sailing? I'll definitely pop back on here and give an update in case anyone else has the same issue that I did
[18:56] <Bashing-om> BlessJah: Nope .. no more support for that kernel .
[18:56] <pelayo> owlkflffkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
[18:56] <pelayo> hola
[18:56] <ppf> carly: no idea, fix one issue at a time :)
[18:56] <carly> okie dokie i'll be back guys!
[18:56] <carly> thank you so much!
[18:57] <ducasse> carly: come back and tell us if it isn't better, so we can figure something out :)
[18:57] <carly> i'll definitely be back...if I save this chanel link i'll be able to access again yes?
[18:57] <pelayo> que  idiomas  habais  todos   yo  español
[18:57] <ppf> !es | pelayo
[18:57] <ghost_> Quick question - Is there a way to setup IRC chats to completely erase everything after a certain time lapse? Similar to snapchat, but not as dumb? lol
[18:57] <Bashing-om> BlessJah: You can either update to xential's kernel OR revert back to trusty's kernel .
[18:57] <ducasse> carly: yes, i'd think so.
[18:58] <carly> got it! Be back very shortly guys thanks
[18:58] <ppf> ghost_: if you run your own server or channel, sure
[18:59] <ppf> ghost_: but that doesn't cover the clients
[19:01] <BlessJah> Bashing-om: it seems that I'm stuck halfway between 4.4.0-45 kernel and lts-vivid xserver drivers
[19:02] <Bashing-om> !info linux-image-generic xenial
[19:02] <BlessJah> Bashing-om: I have xenial kernel but xserver drivers are from vivid which caused gfx driver hung
[19:03] <sponge> BluesKaj, But regarding kde, how do you get updates for the kde environment? Who fixes the bugs for kde in kubuntu 14.04 these days?
[19:03] <ioria> BlessJah, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[19:03] <Bashing-om> BlessJah: Proprietary graphic's driver ? .. understandable that the driver breaks as it is built on the then installed kernel .
[19:03] <ioria> BlessJah, it will automatically, iirm, remove the lts-vivid
[19:03] <ppf> sponge: the kde people
[19:04] <BlessJah> it's intel, and apt install linux-image-generic-lts-xenial didn't replace *-lts-vivid packages
[19:04] <BluesKaj> sponge,  the Kubuntu devs,  check #kubuntu-devel  for answers
[19:04] <Bashing-om> BlessJah: OH ! .. there is no FGLRX support for the xenial kernel . AMD has gone full bore with open source .
[19:05] <BlessJah> it's intel
[19:05] <BlessJah> still i9xx from vivid with xenial kernel seems not to cooperate nicely
[19:05] <sponge> BluesKaj, And they still "care" for bugs in the old kde even though the kde version of kubuntu 14.04 probably wasn't an lts?
[19:06] <ioria> BlessJah, are you on trusty, right ?
[19:06] <BlessJah> ioria: actually it's mint 17.3, but yes, trusty
[19:06] <ppf> the ubuntu maintainers of the kde packages backport fixes
[19:06] <MonkeyDust> BlessJah  what's the output of    cat /etc/issue
[19:06] <MonkeyDust> ouch
[19:06] <ioria> BlessJah, on ubuntu you follow the link i posted, and it's ok (i got the same setup)
[19:06] <BluesKaj> 14.04 is LTS , so it's well supported, sponge
[19:07] <BlessJah> ioria: from what I see it will work on mint as well
[19:07] <BlessJah> my mistake was to install just linux-image-xenial and not all packages listed in your link
[19:07] <sponge> BluesKaj, Cool! very cool! And how do you handle old release of the other apps? like vlc/libreoffice if you wish to upgrade them? add ppas?
[19:08] <ioria> BlessJah, yep
[19:09] <BluesKaj> sponge, the packages are upgraded as well thru the backports when they are ready and stable
[19:10] <sponge> BluesKaj, You have to enable that somehow?
[19:11] <BlessJah> ioria: is --install-recommends really necessary here? I tend to install everything with opposite option
[19:11] <ioria> BlessJah,  all i can say is that i i used that command :þ
[19:11] <BlessJah> so be it
[19:12] <BluesKaj> sponge, yes in your sources.list or package manager
[19:13] <BlessJah> ioria: btw, does it uninstall appropriate vivid packages?
[19:13] <ioria> BlessJah,  yep
[19:13] <BlessJah> (idk since I had them removed earlier)
[19:13] <sponge> BluesKaj, For each app separately? or for all of them at once? I remember ubuntu 10.04 and don't recall such an option.
[19:14] <erle-> MonkeyDust, I figured out my firefox problem
[19:15] <erle-> kernel module intel_powerclamp is the problem
[19:15] <erle-> when removed, everything is fast and cpu load is low
[19:15] <valkyrie_> Hallo
[19:15] <carly> @ducasse and @ppf still here?
[19:15] <Cheesecake> heelo
[19:15] <ducasse> carly: i am :)
[19:15] <MonkeyDust> erle-  glad i could help
[19:16] <carly> am I tagging your name correctly? When you IM me it says carly: and then the message how do I do that
[19:16] <BluesKaj> sponge, whatever kde/plasma apps needed upgrading, usually as large group of interdependent packages
[19:16] <ducasse> carly: type the first few characters and press tab.
[19:16] <carly> ducasse: hey its working!
[19:16] <MonkeyDust> erle-  great, i'm glad you find, going to try it muself, too
[19:16] <carly> hahah cool. The terminal is running like the madman that it is so we will see how this goes
[19:17] <MonkeyDust> found it*
[19:17] <erle-> MonkeyDust, everything feels ten times faster immediately
[19:17] <ducasse> carly: are you still installing lubuntu?
[19:17] <sponge> BluesKaj, maybe I'll move this conversation to #kubuntu-devel
[19:17] <carly> yes, progress is at 26&
[19:17] <carly> %**
[19:18] <carly> ducasse: 26% sorry
[19:18] <Wulf> Hello
[19:18] <BluesKaj> sponge, well I'm there
[19:18] <valkyrie_> Wulf : hello
[19:18] <Wulf> I've got severel apt repos configured. How can I see which repo a specific package version would be downloaded from?
[19:19] <ducasse> carly: you might be low on memory if you only have 2g, i'm guessing that is part of what is slowing things down. lubuntu should be a lot better.
[19:19] <BluesKaj> sponge, but the real devs can help ypu further
[19:19] <sponge> BluesKaj, thanks
[19:19] <CountryfiedLinux> howdy
[19:19] <CountryfiedLinux> Is Ubuntu 4K ready?
[19:19] <bekks> CountryfiedLinux: Is your display 4K ready?
[19:20] <CountryfiedLinux> beaver My TV is.
[19:20] <bekks> So Ubuntu is, too.
[19:20] <carly> ducasse: it said it was going to take a specific amount more of memory and I just went with it anyway
[19:20] <ducasse> carly: not memory, disk space.
[19:21] <CountryfiedLinux> bekks My TV is.
[19:21] <bekks> CountryfiedLinux: So Ubuntu is, too.
[19:21] <CountryfiedLinux> sorry wrong nickname reply beaver
[19:21] <carly> ducasse:  oh, yes that's right and that doesn't matter because thats the 64bit situation right?
[19:22] <ducasse> carly: it doesn't matter at all, because disk space and memory are two different things, and you are low on memory.
[19:22] <ppf> and 64bit refers to something different :)
[19:23] <carly> ppf: i figured that hah! I am very interested in this stuff but it is a lot to learn. I learn quickly with it, should've definitely went into tech in college instead of where I went...it's way more interesting!
[19:24] <mabus_> oh god
[19:24] <carly> ducasse: . i'm seeing a lot of "will be retrofied at next boot" - should I give it a reboot after just to be sure everything is gtg? Also any way I can increase memory? Like by adding a usb or memory card?
[19:24] <mabus_> i accidentally copied a file to /etc/passwd, what should i do for restoring
[19:24] <FManTropyx> lol
[19:24] <ducasse> carly: what kind of machine is this? laptop?
[19:24] <CountryfiedLinux> There's a lot of popular Linux YouTubers that don't know the difference between gigabit and gigabyte.
[19:25] <carly> yep, sony vaio VGN-NR180E
[19:25] <ducasse> carly: on laptops you often need to swap out the memory modules with new, bigger ones. a repair shop can help you.
[19:25] <ioria> mabus_, do you have a /etc/passwd-   ?
[19:25] <FManTropyx> mabus_: do you have /etc/passwd-?
[19:25] <FManTropyx> lol
[19:25] <CountryfiedLinux> Talking about their systems having 4 "gigabytes" of RAM, and an ISO download that's "1.2 gigabytes" 1 gigabyte = 8 gigabits.
[19:25] <FManTropyx> it should be a backup
[19:26] <mabus_> ioria: should i by default?
[19:26] <ioria> mabus_, look
[19:26] <ppf> mabus_: ya
[19:26] <carly> ducasse: yeah but I have no $ for all that, have to try to rig it the best way I can....I wasn't sure if I kept a memory card in the slot permenantly if that could somehow help
[19:26] <BlessJah> ioria: everything seems to work fine except for virtualbox
[19:26] <FManTropyx> I do, so cp that file as passwd
[19:26] <carly> ppf: 99% ducasse: 99%
[19:26] <carly> !
[19:26] <ioria> BlessJah,  damn
[19:26] <mabus_> ok, hm
[19:27] <ppf> mabus_: and, for the future, install etckeeper
[19:27] <younder> ppf: wery good advice!
[19:27] <ducasse> carly: we're not talking about usb memory sticks, but specific types of memory modules. can cost a little. but lubuntu should help.
[19:27] <BlessJah> ioria: however there seems to be virtualbox in both mint (rosa) and ubuntu (trusty) repo, I'll try to switch to ubuntu
[19:27] <carly> ducasse: it's done
[19:28] <ioria> mabus_, /var/backups/passwd.bak
[19:28] <bekks> BlessJah: And there is the official vbox repo.
[19:28] <carly> when i log back in will i need a separate account or shuld everything stay the same
[19:28] <ppf> carly: same account
[19:28] <ioria> BlessJah,  good luck .... i'm not very versed in vbox
[19:28] <ducasse> carly: ok, log out and select 'lubuntu session'.
[19:28] <younder> how does anyone make sense of this chaos?
[19:29] <carly> kk i'll be back guys. thanks so much! younder: people like ducasse and ppf that's how ;-)
[19:29] <ppf> younder: multi-colored nicks is all the rage
[19:29] <younder> Too much is going on at once.
[19:29] <mabus_> ioria: how do you recommend i get a shell?
[19:29] <mabus_> to do this on
[19:29] <ioria> mabus_,  meaning ?
[19:29] <mabus_> no etc passwd
[19:29] <mabus_> cannot login
[19:30] <FManTropyx> did you destroy it and then log out?
[19:30] <ioria> mabus_,  where are you now ?
[19:30] <mabus_> my session stopped working pretty much immediately
[19:30] <th0r> mabus_, boot into single mode
[19:30] <ioria> mabus_,  recovery
[19:30] <mabus_> how
[19:30] <FManTropyx> restore latest backup?
[19:30] <ppf> mabus_: during boot you can select recovery
[19:30] <ppf> in grub
[19:31] <ioria> mabus_,  grub -> Advanced -> root shell
[19:31] <mabus_> i have a recovery option under advanced, not root shell
[19:31] <ppf> that's it
[19:31] <ioria> mabus_,  yep
[19:32] <mabus_> getting a lot of core dumps, hopefully it comes up fine...
[19:32] <younder> You all have the opetion of a root-shell but it won't work unless you have a root password
[19:32] <ppf> no it will directly drop you into the shell
[19:32] <younder> and ubuntu doesnt't have one by default
[19:32] <ppf> you don't log in in recovery mode
[19:33] <mabus_> friendly-recovery--stopped error message on screen along with all the core dumps :/
[19:33] <younder> I could say something like su su; chpasswd <passwd>;  su <prev user>; but that seems to be unpoppular
[19:33] <FManTropyx> is recovery single user mode?
[19:34] <younder> I could say something like sudo su; chpasswd <passwd>;  su <prev user>; but that seems to be unpoppular
[19:34] <ppf> FManTropyx: yes
[19:34] <younder> ;)
[19:34] <ppf> younder: that's beside the point
[19:34] <mabus_> yeah looks like its not booting into recovery
[19:34] <ioria> mabus_,  if recovery fails, try with a livecd
[19:34] <mabus> yeah figured, i'll try to hunt down an optical drive or usb key
[19:35] <younder> Point IS, IN boot recovery you NEED a root passwod
[19:35] <ppf> you sure you only killed your /etc/password?
[19:35] <carly> ducasse: Wow this is much faster
[19:35] <elichai2> hey
[19:35] <carly> ppf: i think it worked!
[19:35] <ppf> *passwd
[19:35] <ppf> carly: great!
[19:35] <elichai2> i'm having a problem with Qtcreator, anyone can help?
[19:35] <ducasse> carly: that's good :)
[19:35] <elichai2> https://askubuntu.com/questions/841379/qtcreator-freezes-after-few-minutes-of-use
[19:35] <ppf> younder: no
[19:35] <younder> ppf, YES
[19:36] <ioria> mabus_,  http://askubuntu.com/questions/411514/how-to-recover-a-deleted-etc-passwd-file
[19:36] <empedokles78> should I leave secure boot enabled in my netbook?
[19:36] <Chr|s> I think im coming back to ubuntu, tried some other distrubutions, but I have fond memories of ubuntu
[19:36] <carly> okay so, when i clicked the circle it gave me the option for LXDE, or lubuntu (which I did lubuntu) - and it also gave me the option to go into others....is there anything else I can do now that I'm on lubuntu to help the memory out?
[19:36] <carly> any pointers
[19:36] <carly> ducasse: guys this is so much faster holy cow
[19:36] <ppf> carly: is performance still bad?
[19:36] <carly> thanks again 10 a million
[19:36] <carly> no it's great
[19:36] <ducasse> carly: shouldn't really be necessary, but you might want to try a lightweight browser like midori.
[19:37] <carly> just wondering if i should do anything else...
[19:37] <ioria> younder, what you mean 'IN boot recovery you NEED a root passwod' ?
[19:37] <carly> okay sounds good!
[19:37] <younder> Seriosly I love the way you have prented people from shootin their own ffot by preventing people from loging in as root.
[19:37] <ioria> younder, i can boot recovery without root password set
[19:37] <FManTropyx> the first thing I always do after boot is open terminal and do sudo -i
[19:38] <younder> But during recovery, and by and expert, YOU NEED ROOT ACCESS
[19:38] <ducasse> carly: i've got to go, but good luck!
[19:38] <carly> thanks so much! I appreciate all of your help! I'll keep this open and hopefully someday I can answer someones question lol..thanks a ton!
[19:38] <carly> ducasse: couldn't have done it without you
[19:38] <Ben64> younder: that doesn't mean you need a root password
[19:38] <carly> ppf: or you!
[19:38] <carly> thanks again!
[19:38] <ppf> younder: no, you're wrong
[19:38] <ppf> as we keep telling you
[19:38] <younder> ppf:explain hen
[19:39] <ppf> recovery mode will boot into a shell
[19:39] <ppf> there is no login involved
[19:39] <younder> ppf :since what version. Because that is NOT as I remeber it
[19:39] <ppf> since always
[19:39] <Ben64> younder: since always
[19:40] <ioria> if we want to say something about recovery , we can say that is a security issue...
[19:40] <empedokles78> Is secure boot recommended in the bios?
[19:40] <younder> I get a login probpt user:<> passwd <>
[19:40] <ppf> ioria: well if you've got physical access to the machine security is out the window
[19:40] <ioria> ppf,  i was saying that
[19:40] <younder> ppf,  agreed
[19:41] <ioria> ppf,  you can grab the disk :þ
[19:41] <ppf> ya
[19:41] <younder> ppf,  Though a bios boot passwd might slow hem down
[19:41] <Ben64> nope
[19:41] <ioria> maybe a 'grun pasword'
[19:41] <ioria> *grub
[19:41] <mabus> fwiw windows requires you ahve a password for the recovery menu
[19:42] <mabus> younder: no, you can clear that out by removing the cmos battery
[19:42] <younder> ppf,  Anyhow teiefs hate desktop machines. The want laptops. A HINT
[19:42] <ioria> there was a backdoor in win, Administartor
[19:42] <younder> mabus, I know, but is a hassle. And thiefs are mostly lazy
[19:43] <ppf> if someone has physical access, there is no security
[19:43] <Southern_Gentlem> ioria, thank gawd the newer versions you can disable it
[19:43] <ioria> Southern_Gentlem, oh, really ?
[19:43] <ppf> younder: how do you access recovery mode, if i may ask?
[19:44] <younder> mabus, I'm just saying desktop macheines get left behing, they are ostly unsellable. Laptops get stolen. This is data I have gotten from studying police records
[19:44] <younder> take it or leave it
[19:45] <ppf> right :)
[19:45] <ioria> wel, encryption left
[19:45] <ppf> empedokles78: it's neither recommended nor dissaproved
[19:45] <younder> encryption is the only thing you have left it it is stolen
[19:46] <ppf> hm he left alread
[19:46] <ppf> i'm too slow :)
[19:47] <younder> ppf: I would just clone cloe the disk after booting in Knopfix linux
[19:47] <younder> But there are other solutions
[19:48] <younder> If the disk is encrypted then simply 'ignoring' security does't work
[19:49] <ppf> mabus: any luck with recovery?
[19:49] <ioria> i guess not
[19:50] <noob_on_rails> hey everyone! any ideas on this one ? -> http://askubuntu.com/questions/841390/amd-system-fresh-install-only-usb-3-working-iommu
[19:53] <ppf> hm, suspicious
[19:53] <younder> noob_on_rails, nop, That USP failure is completely unknown to me
[19:53] <menace> hi is there a program or script with which i can list the "origin repository" for every installed package, or certain installed packages?
[19:53] <menace> like apt-cache poliy
[19:53] <younder> noob_on_rails, nop, Ti is PROBABLY to the issue ther, just a symtom
[19:54] <menace> but with the output in one line, like <packagename> <version> <repositoryurl>
[19:54] <menace> i do not see the possibility to change the format of apt-cache
[19:54] <noob_on_rails> younder:  sorry i didnt quite get what you typed :S
[19:54] <younder> menace, apt-search
[19:54] <ppf> menace: you'll have to script that together
[19:55] <ppf> younder: you're giving bad advice
[19:55] <ppf> please stop
[19:55] <menace> oh, apt-cache madison works.. i should rtfm more o_O
[19:56] <younder> ppf:;)
[19:56] <ppf> menace: yes it does, i assumed that's what you were talking about, sorry about that
[19:57] <menace>  dpkg --get-selections  | awk '{ print $1 }' | cut -d: -f1 | xargs -IX apt-cache madison X | grep -i <certainurl> :)
[19:57] <noob_on_rails> younder: problem is all my USB2 ports are not working :S
[19:58] <younder> noob-on-rails: and everything else does?
[19:59] <younder> noob-on-rails: in http://askubuntu.com/questions/609909/usb-ports-not-working: sudo modprobe -r floppy
[19:59] <noob_on_rails> younder: usb3.0 work! , yes everything else works (i had to install r8168 realtek drivers)
[19:59] <noob_on_rails> but everything works!
[20:00] <noob_on_rails> except USB2.0 , many people say that's an IOMMU problem
[20:00] <younder> noob-on-rails: thank god. I thought you would have us in for a long session
[20:00] <noob_on_rails> lol
[20:00] <noob_on_rails> i hope im not :D
[20:01] <noob_on_rails> well , i turned on IOMMU from BIOS , but then USB3 ports stopped working! restarted went back to the initial setup , so i can have KB & Mouse
[20:01] <noob_on_rails> any ideas?
[20:02] <younder> noob-on-rails: attack the computer with a slege hammer and your problems should be over ;)
[20:02] <pandaadb> hey - i updates my ubuntu 16.04 today (apt get upgrade) and now the hdmi input is not working anymore, neither does the laptop shut down (need to hold the power button)
[20:02] <noob_on_rails> i really try to understand if im trolled or actually you are trying to help :D thanks anyways tho! :S
[20:02] <pandaadb> is there anyone who experiences something similar?
[20:03] <pandaadb> xrandr shows my hdmi as disconnected
[20:03] <nicomachus> pandaadb: you just did upgrade, not dist-upgrade?
[20:03] <pandaadb> no just upgrade
[20:03] <younder> noob-on-rails: just joking
[20:03] <ppf> noob_on_rails: he's a troll
[20:03] <pandaadb> my monday routine, update then upgrade
[20:03] <insy> hmm spent last hour breaking my head on prolly something simple but i cant figure it out
[20:03] <pandaadb> (apt-get update, apt-get upgrade)
[20:04] <noob_on_rails> luckily there's not a sledgehammer in my room :p
[20:04] <MonkeyDust> insy  let's hear it, in one line
[20:04] <insy> how come my server isnt showing the page that i want but only the default apache pge
[20:04] <pandaadb> i read the nvidia drivers might be at fault, however i have a prime setup and i am in power safe mode (because of vsync tearing) and use intel only
[20:05] <younder> pandaadb,  Do you have a UEFI setup?
[20:05] <pandaadb> younder, i believe so. I might be wrong though.
[20:05] <pandaadb> is there a command i can run to check?
[20:06] <younder> pandaadb,  That DOES cause problems with NVIDIA
[20:06] <pandaadb> i think its the one where you have to disable a thing (cant remember the name) so that the driver can load
[20:06] <pandaadb> something with regards to security? I believe it causes a login loop when you forget to disable it
[20:07] <younder> pandaadb,  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[20:07] <pandaadb> but as i said, i have set the nvidia settings to use intel only, and i can see in the indicator that it is intel only
[20:07] <younder> pandaadb,  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI#SecureBoot
[20:08] <pandaadb> yes that's the one. it has caused a bit of a problem when i first installed the nvidia drivers, but that has not caused any issue after i turned off secure boot
[20:09] <pandaadb> it worked fine yesterday and today. i did the upgrade, however not restarted. I went home, turned on the laptop and hdmi is not being recognised anymoe
[20:09] <younder> pandaadb,  the problem happens afte the nvidia divers update. There is a kernal parts that compiles. And t because the sha code fails the driver isn't loaded so X boot fails
[20:10] <pandaadb> oh okay. would it help if i switched to the open source drivers?
[20:10] <ppf> pandaadb: did you reboot?
[20:10] <ppf> for good measure, run sudo apt full-upgrade
[20:10] <ppf> what ubuntu version are you on?
[20:10] <pandaadb> ppf yes multiple times, but the laptop doesnt even turn off now
[20:10] <younder> The security bit is a sha 256 code hat all kernel modules need to pass
[20:10] <ppf> younder: please stop
[20:10] <pandaadb> ppf 16.04
[20:10] <ppf> alright
[20:10] <pandaadb> I also dont believe the nvidia drivers where updated this morning when i ran upgradae
[20:11] <ppf> run a full upgrade
[20:11] <pandaadb> on it
[20:11] <ppf> just to be safe
[20:11] <ppf> and then paste the output of journalctl -b -1
[20:11] <ppf> to see why the shutdown isn't happenening
[20:12] <pandaadb> ppf Specifying boot ID has no effect, no persistent journal was found
[20:12] <pandaadb> is the output of above command
[20:12] <ppf> right, you have to enable that
[20:12] <pandaadb> full upgrade only upgraded the java8 installer for oracle
[20:13] <ppf> in /etc/systemd/journald.conf
[20:13] <ppf> can you paste the dmesg output then?
[20:13] <pandaadb> yes i can (assuming you mean the command?)
[20:13] <pandaadb> it is quite a bit, let me copy
[20:14] <pandaadb> ppf, http://pastebin.com/5L3YFNds
[20:15] <BlessJah> bekks: just in case, switching form 5.0.4 from mint repo to 4.3.36 from ubuntu repo fixed the issue
[20:15] <pandaadb> in the journald.conf, which one should i uncomment? All of them?
[20:15] <Bray90820> Every time I run a browser in ubuntu 16.10 my surface 3 freezes and I get this error
[20:15] <Bray90820> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/33402675/IMAG0104.jpg
[20:17] <nicomachus> Bray90820: still working on that? :/
[20:17] <bekks> BlessJah: which issue in particular?
[20:17] <Bray90820> nicomachus: Yep
[20:17] <bekks> BlessJah: 5.0.x < 5.0.1x wasnt a very stable release. I'd go with 5.1.18 for all the regressions fixed.
[20:18] <ppf> pandaadb: Storage=persistent
[20:18] <pandaadb> ppf, i dont know if that makes a difference but i did the dmesg when the monitor was unplugged
[20:18] <BlessJah> bekks: * No suitable module for running kernel found, Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 4.4.0-45-generic (x86_64)
[20:18] <ppf> pandaadb: don't think it matters
[20:18] <BlessJah> bekks: compilation error for dkms module
[20:19] <ppf> the acpi warnings are suspicious, but not fatal i think
[20:19] <pandaadb> i added storage=persistent but i am getting the same output for journalctl
[20:19] <pandaadb> i belive i saw some errors in the kern.log before when the laptop didnt quit
[20:20] <younder> pandaadb, YES. disclose
[20:20] <bekks> BlessJah: Then I'd go for 5.1.18 for sure.
[20:20] <pandaadb> will do - ppf they are all also ACPI
[20:20] <ppf> pandaadb: you need to reboot for it to take effect
[20:20] <ppf> (persistant storage means the journal is written to disk for every boot)
[20:21] <pandaadb> http://pastebin.com/LZrFbZNg
[20:21] <pandaadb> that is the kernel log
[20:21] <pandaadb> a part of it at least, it is quite big. i can try and grep more of it
[20:22] <ppf> dmesg and kern.log are the same
[20:22] <BlessJah> bekks: any particular reason/improvement?
[20:22] <pandaadb> ohh okay
[20:22] <pandaadb> didn't know that
[20:22] <ppf> pandaadb: can you check the apt logs for recent driver and kernel upgrades?
[20:23] <ppf> (technically they aren't the same, dmesg prints the kern.log tail, effectively)
[20:23] <bekks> BlessJah: As I said, a lot of regression fixes, e.g. fixing snapshot corruptions in 5.x version prior 5.1.18, etc.
[20:23] <BlessJah> never had any issue with snapshot
[20:24] <pandaadb> ppf, http://pastebin.com/ZfRvYBKJ
[20:24] <pandaadb> micronode seems to have been updated today
[20:24] <pandaadb> i think that is the intel driver (or part of it) effectivley?
[20:24] <pandaadb> that is weirdly though at a time where i did not do an update
[20:25] <BlessJah> bekks: actually it's more likely I will dump mint 17.3 in favour of either ubuntu 16.04 or debian
[20:25] <pandaadb> 20:56 ...
[20:25] <bekks> BlessJah: Use 5.x < 5.1.18, create two snapshots, and try to delete one. It will result in a corruption of the vm.
[20:25] <pandaadb> actually that may have been me changing the driver in the additional drivers from "do not use this device" to the micronode driver
[20:25] <pandaadb> (both didn't work with the hdmi output)
[20:26] <BlessJah> bekks: oh this kind of issue, I've seen this one, just learnt not to delete middle snapshots
[20:26] <ppf> but that's from an hour ago, you said the issue is older?
[20:26] <bekks> BlessJah: thats a regression fixed in 5.1.18
[20:26] <zacky83> Hi everybody, how can I upgrade easily from ubuntu 14.04 LTS to 16.04 with command line ?
[20:26] <pandaadb> ppf, i noticed it when i turned the computer on roughly 20:50 today
[20:27] <jatt> !upgrade | zacky83
[20:27] <ppf> the microcode upgrade was after that
[20:27] <BlessJah> bekks: vbox 4.3.36 at the moment, it seems that xenial ships 5.0.18 but yeah, whatever
[20:27] <pandaadb> i did the update this morning at 9 but haven't rebooted after it so maybe the update only took effect after reboot?
[20:27] <nicomachus> zacky83: sudo do-release-upgrade
[20:27] <zacky83> jatt , I am on ubuntu server
[20:28] <younder> zacky83, yes Run 'do-release-upgrade' to upgrade to it.
[20:28] <pandaadb> ppf, yes could that be caused by me trying a different driver in the additional-drivers dialouge?
[20:28] <ppf> pandaadb: could be?
[20:28] <ppf> it also removed the nvidia 370
[20:28] <zacky83> younder , nicomachus , will I be obliged tor eboot ?
[20:28] <bekks> BlessJah: Dont mix up 5.0.18 and 5.0.18.
[20:28] <bekks> BlessJah: Everything < 5.1.18 contains that regression.
[20:28] <younder> zacky83, yes
[20:28] <bekks> BlessJah: 5.0.18 vs. 5.1.18
[20:28] <younder> E:)gaBBØ
[20:29] <pandaadb> i think that would be that then. I tried 2 things: first change the intel driver since i dont use nvidia as per the prime settings, then i chose the open source driver for nvidia to see if that may fix something - but havent rebooted since doing that change
[20:29] <BlessJah> yep I know, since so far I have lived with that, it's not that huge issue to me
[20:29] <pandaadb> all other updates are from last friday in the  apt/history.log
[20:29] <jatt> zacky83: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YakketyYak/ReleaseNotes#Upgrading_from_Ubuntu_16.04_LTS
[20:30] <zacky83> jatt  I am upgrading from ubuntu 14.04
[20:30] <jatt> same procedure
[20:31] <pandaadb> i can undo those changes, however it didn't work before either
[20:31] <younder> zacky83, Are you wware that the upgrade can cause isseues, 14.04 uses upstart and 16.04 systemd
[20:32] <zacky83> younder , what is the difference ?
[20:32] <jatt> wrong
[20:32] <jatt> the 14.04 -> 16.04 upgrade is supported
[20:33] <ppf> pandaadb: give it a try
[20:33] <ppf> younder: please stop trying to give advice when you've got zero idea what you're talking about
[20:33] <pandaadb> ok, i'll try and reboot with nouveou and see if that makes a difference (maybe the nvidia driver did mess up somewhat)
[20:33] <younder> zacky83, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemdForUpstartUsers
[20:35] <younder> ppf: would you stop claming that! It is insulting
[20:35] <ppf> i'm off your back the second you stop giving unsound advice
[20:35] <jatt> ignore the guy and that's it
[20:36] <ppf> jatt: i can ignore him, but people asking for help don't
[20:36] <younder> Yeah 30 years on unix and linux experience are worth nought.
[20:36] <pandaadb> ppf, hi again. it shut down this time, however the hdmi is still not working. it is running a different intel driver now though
[20:37] <pandaadb> the journalcnf gives me: Data from the specified boot (-1) is not available: No such boot ID in journal
[20:37] <jatt> 😸
[20:37] <ppf> yeah, it'll backlog the current boot now
[20:37] <snkcld> how can i take the requirements inside a "debian/control" file and install them? is there some command e.g. "install-requirements ./debian/control"
[20:37] <zacky83> younder , will the upgrade will change my asterisk version too ?
[20:38] <Coolslammer> Hell new linux user here, I have just installed unbuntu 16.04.1 LTS in dual boot. When I try to to boot the grub menu is sopouse to run, but it does not and goes straight to windows. I have tried the boot repair but when I try to boot live, the screen goes black. Any help would be awesome thanks.
[20:38] <pandaadb> same acli errors in the kernel log
[20:38] <younder> zacky83, Don't know
[20:38] <pandaadb> i could try switching to nvidia and then seeing what that does?
[20:39] <MonkeyDust> !nomodeset | Coolslammer
[20:39] <younder> zacky83, My server (the astriks machine) still runs 14.04
[20:39] <Coolslammer> Thanks guys ill check it out and see if it works!
[20:40] <ppf> pandaadb: always worth a try, but i doubt that's causing that
[20:40] <pandaadb> i really don't know. nothing i did seems to be able to cause this.
[20:40] <pandaadb> i had graphics issues with the prime setup for a while, but using just intel fixed that for me
[20:41] <younder> ppf: I t took me a week to figure out what was wrong with the NVIDIA setup. good luck
[20:41] <ppf> snkcld: not like that
[20:41] <ppf> gdebi can inspect the .deb package though, if you've got that control file in a package
[20:41] <pandaadb> ok, /me reboots into nvidia
[20:43] <zacky83> younder ,can I upgrade to ubuntu 14.04.5 ? I am now under 14.04.1
[20:43] <ppf> zacky83: sure you can
[20:43] <geez[m]> Test (sorry)
[20:44] <ppf> why shouldn't you
[20:44] <zacky83> ppf how can I do it ?
[20:44] <younder> zacky83,  you can upgrade but not distribution upgrade
[20:45] <zacky83> younder , how ?
[20:45] <younder> zacky83,  sudo att updare; sudo apt upgrade
[20:45] <pandaadb> hi - back again :) nvidia booted fine with 370 however still no second screenn
[20:45] <younder> update
[20:45] <pandaadb> i read that reinstalling xorg might do something?
[20:45] <xangua> zacky83: unless you ignore security updates, you're probably already using the fifth point release
[20:45] <ppf> if you connect the hdmi, what's xrandr show?
[20:46] <ppf> zacky83: run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:46] <ppf> it'll take you to the latest point release
[20:46] <pandaadb> one sec -also ppf jounralcntl is now not empty anymore if you are still interested in the contents?
[20:46] <younder> xaungua : I  was assumin he was
[20:46] <ppf> pandaadb: if there's still an issue with rebooting, sure
[20:47] <pandaadb> ppf no it appears that it now like rebooting again ... i don't know why
[20:47] <pandaadb> all i did was switch around the drivers a bit
[20:47] <pandaadb> ppf, xrandr output http://pastebin.com/3Kv57e1u
[20:47] <pandaadb> with the monitor plugged in
[20:48] <pandaadb> i can also tell that the monitor knows it is plugged in. It stops doing the no-input window that floats around and just goes black
[20:48] <ppf> pandaadb: which one is the connected hdmi?
[20:48] <mabus> so i managed to get a livecd booted and copied over my old /etc/passwd
[20:48] <mabus> but now when i boot im just getting errors
[20:48] <mabus> "assertion failed in _nih_error_raise_system"
[20:48] <pandaadb> ppf interstingly enough, i only have 1 hdmi port
[20:48] <_28_ria> Bashing-om, hello, I've tried, didn't help
[20:48] <zacky83> younder , I did apt-get update and apt-get upgrade , do I need to reboot now ?
[20:49] <ppf> mabus: yeah, what i said, you not getting into recovery mode said that /etc/passwd wasn't the problem
[20:49] <ppf> zacky83: no
[20:49] <_28_ria> Bashing-om, if you remember me from yesterday, about bunch of errors during installing anything with anything
[20:49] <pandaadb> i have one hdmi and one USB C port that i put an adapter in for the display port (second screen). However i don't have that here so i don;t know if thta one still works
[20:49] <zacky83> ppf I now have ubuntu 14.04.2
[20:49] <ppf> zacky83: upgrade also doesn't upgrade the point version
[20:49] <ppf> you need sudo apt-get dist-upgrade for that
[20:50] <ppf> pandaadb: alright
[20:50] <zacky83> ppf but I will get ubuntu 16 with that no ?
[20:50] <ppf> pandaadb: for fun, try this:
[20:50] <xangua> zacky83: no
[20:50] <mabus> oh some of the messages before it are related to my zfs instance
[20:50] <mabus> maybe i should shut it down and see if it comes up
[20:50] <xangua> !upgrade | zacky83
[20:50] <mabus> but how?
[20:50] <ppf> xrandr --addmode HDMI-1 1920x1050 && xrandr --output HDMI-1 1920x1050
[20:51] <pandaadb> ppf while plugged in?
[20:51] <zacky83> xangua , what version will I have ?
[20:51] <ppf> pandaadb: yes
[20:51] <ppf> zacky83: 14.04.5
[20:51] <ppf> to upgrade to a later release, use do-release-upgrade
[20:51] <ppf> (no apt in there)
[20:52] <zacky83> 0 to upgrade, 0 to newly install, 0 to remove and 0 not to upgrade
[20:52] <pandaadb> ppf, i get: xrandr: cannot find mode "1920x1050"
[20:52] <pandaadb>  do i need to quote the arguments
[20:52] <zacky83> with apt-get dist_upgrade
[20:52] <pandaadb> or maybe it needs to be 1080 instead
[20:52] <ppf> pandaadb: yeah, that was a typo, sorry
[20:52] <_28_ria> hello, recently, I've started to get a whole bunch of errors during install. No matter, what I install. here is the install log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23373166/
[20:52] <zacky83> ppf
[20:52] <Coolslammer> Hey, I had a question a bit earlier about booting to black screen, and you guys told me to enable nomodeset.
[20:53] <pandaadb> ppf, now i get: unrecognized option '1920x1080
[20:53] <_28_ria> apt update; apt upgrade tried. It went through, but didn't help
[20:53] <younder> ppf: a part of the driver kernel is compiled with the kernel. Not loaded with modprobe
[20:53] <_28_ria> also tried apt -f install
[20:53] <_28_ria> same thing
[20:53] <Coolslammer> But when it boots live, it doesn't show purple splash screen with keyboard at bottom
[20:53] <ppf> younder: wat
[20:54] <zacky83> ppf lsb_release -a  gives me 14.04.5 but when logging in my server I still get 14.04.2
[20:54] <ppf> pandaadb: did you type that right?
[20:54] <younder> ppf:  I seem to forget the name of that standard, but belive me, it does
[20:54] <pandaadb> ppf i executed:
[20:54] <pandaadb> xrandr --addmode HDMI-1 1920x1080 && xrandr --output HDMI-1 1920x1080
[20:54] <ppf> ah my bad
[20:54] <ppf> it's --mode 1920x1080 on the second command
[20:55] <pandaadb> okay
[20:55]  * pandaadb tries
[20:55] <mabus> ppf: how can i disable things like zfs (the ppa version) from starting up on boot?
[20:55] <pandaadb> ppf so --output --mode 1920x1080 without the HDMI i think?
[20:55] <ppf> zacky83: did you run these commands on your server?
[20:55] <ppf> pandaadb: no
[20:55] <ppf> with HDMI-1
[20:56] <ppf> xrandr --output HDMI-1 --mode 1920x1080
[20:56] <pandaadb> oh okay, i had the --mode after the output directly
[20:56] <zacky83> ppf yes
[20:56] <ppf> then i don't get the logging in part
[20:57] <pandaadb> ok intersting. my screen went black, then popped back up and said: xrandr: Configure crtc 1 failed
[20:57] <zacky83> ppf   Welcome to Ubuntu 14.04.2 LTS (GNU/Linux 3.16.0-77-generic x86_64)
[20:57] <ppf> how do you 'get 14.04.2' when logging in
[20:57] <ppf> zacky83: cat /etc/*-release
[20:57] <ppf> zacky83: also, what's the ultimate goal? i think i missed that
[20:57] <Coolslammer> Hey, I had a question a bit earlier about booting to black screen, and you guys told me to enable nomodeset. But when it boots live, it doesn't show purple splash screen with keyboard at bottom.
[20:57] <zacky83> DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS
[20:58] <zacky83> ppf , I have a bug with Selector.select in java which is due to kernel and ubuntu version , I try to upgrade to get ird of that bug
[20:58] <pandaadb> ppf, i added verbose for more output and got: http://pastebin.com/6G7cqf8S
[20:58] <ppf> zacky83: what kernel and ubuntu version do you need?
[20:59] <xangua> zacky83: what bug would be that?
[20:59] <ppf> keep in mind you need to reboot for the new kernel to kick in
[20:59] <zacky83> here is the bug       https://github.com/netty/netty/issues/2616
[21:00] <ppf> pandaadb: you can try the other outputs as well
[21:00] <ppf> !info linux-image-generic trusty
[21:01] <ppf> zacky83: which kernel are you going for?
[21:01] <pandaadb> hdmi 2 has the same output
[21:01] <pandaadb> mhm let me boot it back into intel since the tearing is driving me nuts and nvidia does not seem to want to do any other display either
[21:02] <zacky83> ppf , I have a server with ubuntu 16.04 and kernel 3.16 and it works fine .   on ubuntu 14.04.1 with kernel 3.16 it bugs ......... I can not understand
[21:02] <ppf> sure, go ahead
[21:02] <c0d5x> is there an issue with DNS today ?, `apt -y update` fails resolving `us.archive.ubuntu.com` !
[21:02] <ppf> zacky83: where do these kernels come from zacky83 ?
[21:02] <c0d5x> is there a reason why `apt` updates are failing for trusty ?
[21:02] <ppf> trusty ships 3.13
[21:02] <mabus> ok so i discovered a problem, the overwritten /etc/passwd is what as backed up to /etc/passwd-
[21:02] <ppf> !info linux-image-generic xenial
[21:02] <zacky83> ppf , I updated kernel with a command line
[21:03] <ppf> and that's xenial
[21:03] <mabus> i need a stock /etc/passwd
[21:03] <ppf> mabus: tried /var/backups/passwd.bak?
[21:03] <zacky83> ppf apt-get install linux-generic-lts-utopic
[21:04] <mabus> ok i swear, the folder was empty last i looked
[21:04] <_28_ria> mabus: boot with a livedvd and copy this file from the booted up session.
[21:04] <ppf> !info linux-generic-lts-utopic
[21:04] <mabus> but now i have a proper backup, thanks ppf
[21:04] <ppf> !info linux-generic-lts-utopic trusty
[21:04] <pandaadb> ppf, ok - back on intel. A new output appearedm caled VIRTUAL1
[21:04] <pandaadb> I executed your command and it was succesful on that one. display shows a second screen, however nothing is shown on the screen
[21:06] <zacky83> ppf can I get kernel 4.xxx on ubuntu 14.04 ?
[21:06] <bubbunduerror> Why the hell I get errors trying to uninstall libxau6? http://pastebin.com/8k9UdzGC
[21:07] <mabus> woot, we're booted. thanks for the assistance ppf et al.
[21:07] <pandaadb> okay ... soooo this is dumb and stupid and i don't know what the swearing rules are on here, so i shall stop now. ppf as it turns out, the cabel at the back of the monitor was slightly loose ... :( :( :(
[21:07] <ppf> zacky83: maybe from mainline
[21:07] <ppf> why not upgrade to xenial?
[21:07] <xangua> zacky83: in a couple of months, yes
[21:07] <mabus> so interestingly, ppf, a broken /etc/passwd was enough to prevent me from booting recovery
[21:07] <pandaadb> i sencirely apologise for wasting your time and thank you greatly for trying to help me overcoming my own stupidity :D
[21:07] <sponge> will snap/snappy solve make the ppa-backports obsolete and all versions of ubuntu will enjoy newer versions of apps?
[21:08] <ppf> mabus: i wouldn't have imagined
[21:08] <bekks> sponge: No?
[21:08] <ppf> pandaadb: lol
[21:08] <ppf> but happy to help!
[21:08] <pandaadb> ha yeah .. i loled as well, well that was one of the things i just yelled :D
[21:09] <sponge> bekks, So what will snap be used for?
[21:09] <pandaadb> funny enough i read of issues where the laptop port is shaky and you have to press it in really hard. i almost cracked the laptop open trying to get the cable in :D never thought of checking the other end
[21:09] <ppf> bubbunduerror: sudo apt -f install
[21:09] <bekks> sponge: For deploying applications with all dependencies needed.
[21:10] <bekks> sponge: And just having a new snap avail doesnt mean "oh, thats fully tested, etc. and will be available in a LTS fashion".
[21:10] <mabus> what does the community recommend for update schedule? automatically applying updates in some fashion? just read about one of the latest scary root vulns and found my system was vuln
[21:10] <sponge> bekks, bakporting is also able to deploy dependencies from what I understood. no?
[21:10] <ppf> i'm running full nightly upgrades
[21:10] <pandaadb> okay :) a good night everybody - i have had enough laptop shananigans for a day :D
[21:10] <bekks> sponge: No.
[21:11] <bubbunduerror> ppf still an error
[21:12] <cisstrd> ubuntu 16.04 lts, can I make a script which automatically runs before suspend and one which runs directly after?
[21:12] <sponge> bekks, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports states at the bottom: Option 2: install both the package and its dependencies from Backports. To do that specify -t trusty-backports option, for example:  apt-get install -t trusty-backports amarok . What am I missing here?
[21:12] <bekks> sponge: backports are one way to make applications from upstream available to "older" releases. Applications which contain bugfixes, etc. which are vital, and where deploying a backport is more easy than fixing the old version of the application.
[21:12] <ppf> bubbunduerror: i can't really read the error, sorry
[21:12] <bubbunduerror> ppf: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23376085/
[21:12] <bekks> sponge: you ALWAYS install all dependencies as well as the application.
[21:13] <ppf> !it | bubbunduerror
[21:13] <bubbunduerror> Seriously ?
[21:13] <bubbunduerror> Do I have to translate? Ok then.
[21:13] <ppf> bubbunduerror: yeah, i'm sorry :)
[21:14] <bekks> sponge: The question is, how dependencies are handled. Using snappy, and app A, you install dependencies A.1, A.2, while installing app B needs A.3 and A.4, and things will still work correctly.
[21:15] <bubbunduerror> ppf: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23376097/
[21:15] <sponge> bekks, Can backporting upgrade application such as libreoffice from LO 5.1 to 5.2? or does this require a special backport for libreoffice?
[21:16] <bekks> sponge: backports and snappy are exclusive approaches.
[21:16] <ppf> bubbunduerror: what it says: sudo apt install --reinstall libxau6:i386
[21:17] <bekks> sponge: using snappy, you can install LO 5.1 and LO 5.2 without having dependency issues, since both snappy apps provide their own dependencies.
[21:17] <bekks> sponge: and even ship them.
[21:17] <bubbunduerror> ppf: still can't uninstall after reinstalling.
[21:17] <ppf> what's the error you're getting there?
[21:17] <bubbunduerror> ppf: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23376107/
[21:18] <ppf> hm
[21:18] <ppf> install the packages it complains about?
[21:19] <mabus> hey so i have plex media server installed via dpkg since a long while ago, but i would like to instead switch to using the ubuntu repository for it. how can i switch what source a package is using without clobbering my local configuration
[21:19] <bubbunduerror> Why should I Install them if I want to remove it c.c
[21:19] <ppf> mabus: no
[21:19] <ppf> bubbunduerror: what do you want to remove?
[21:19] <bubbunduerror> libxau6
[21:20] <ppf> right, i meant the libmesa dependencies
[21:20] <mabus> no what?
[21:20] <bubbunduerror> So I have to install the mesa dipendencies in order to uninstall libxau6??
[21:20] <bubbunduerror> .-.
[21:20] <ppf> no you can't switch the source
[21:21] <ppf> bubbunduerror: not sure, that was a guess
[21:21] <bubbunduerror> WTF! If that works it doesn't make sens.
[21:21] <bubbunduerror> *sense
[21:21] <ppf> well they transitively depend on libxau6
[21:21] <ppf> i've overlooked that, sorry
[21:21] <bubbunduerror> Install to uninstall .-.
[21:21] <ppf> (it's late)
[21:22] <ppf> so what you're doing is remove a dependency of some other package without removing that package
[21:22] <ppf> it looks like that, if you want to remove libxau6, you also need to remove libegl1-mesa and friends
[21:23] <ppf> (that's what the latest error says)
[21:23] <bubbunduerror> ppf
[21:23] <bubbunduerror> if i remove
[21:23] <bubbunduerror> libmesa
[21:23] <bubbunduerror> xorg server messes up too.
[21:23] <bubbunduerror> This can't be a solution.
[21:23] <user|69002> quick question for the resident experts or advanced users out there. I'm about to make the switch back to linux (yet again) from windows and I'm considering two options. Install Kubuntu as is, or install Ubuntu and install plasma desktop KDE 5.8.2. Does anyone know which is the better choice considering the current state of both distributions and t
[21:23] <user|69002> he difference betyween 5.5 / 5.7?
[21:24] <ppf> bubbunduerror: so if libxau6 is a central component in the xorg dependecy tree, why do you want to remove it?
[21:24] <terrible> hey it is possible to change the splash screen in ubuntu 16 xenial???
[21:25] <ppf> user|69002: that's the same distribution
[21:25] <ppf> but if you want KDE and only KDE, just go with kubuntu
[21:26] <ppf> !pm > user|69002
[21:28] <user|69002> would i miss out on anything cool in kde 5.5 versus 5.8?
[21:28] <user|69002> or has it all been updates and bug hunting since?
[21:29] <ppf> user|69002: it's the same distribution. anything you get on one flavour you get on the other
[21:29] <terrible> hey it is possible to change the splash screen in ubuntu 16 xenial???
[21:29] <rainbowwarrior> hello can someone please point me to a how to on getting msi ge60 2qd apache steel series keyboard to light up please?
[21:30] <user|69002> ty ppf
[21:31] <mabus> ppf how can i force myself to get a new passwd binary?
[21:32] <ppf> mabus: why do you want a new passwd binary?
[21:32] <mabus> because i tried out the latest local exploit which overwrites suid files
[21:33] <mabus> and it was in my stupidity that i copied over the backup /usr/bin/passwd to /etc/passwd
[21:33] <ppf> and that surprisingly severly messed with your system? :D
[21:33] <mabus> lost my session, and when i rebooted of course, /tmp/passwd.bak gone
[21:33] <bekks> mabus: get a live cd and fix it.
[21:34] <mabus> anyhow im all booted and stuff, but i want to get a passwd binary
[21:34] <ppf> you can reinstall !passwd
[21:34] <ppf> !info passwd
[21:34] <mabus> how
[21:34] <ppf> sudo apt install --reinstall passwd
[21:34] <mabus> alright
[21:34] <mabus> here goes
[21:34] <mabus> Reinstallation of passwd is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.
[21:35] <ppf> sudo apt -f install
[21:36] <ppf> and if that fails, paste the output of it please
[21:36] <mabus> $ sudo apt -f install --reinstall passwd
[21:37] <mabus> couple lines of the usual and: Reinstallation of passwd is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.
[21:37] <ppf> just sudo apt -f install
[21:38] <mabus> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[21:39] <ppf> paste the entire output of install --reinstall passwd?
[21:39] <MIKUBUNTU> damnit. got a 1604 stick to boot up on my target hp laptop, but the network will not connect after putting in the pwd -- it is detecting the signal, but not connecting
[21:39] <dracula_> hi
[21:39] <mabus> i mean, ive pasted the only line that isnt in every output
[21:40] <mabus> ppf: http://pastebin.com/UshqwcLg
[21:41] <MIKUBUNTU> for the backstory -- curl https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/10/23/%23ubuntu.txt > ciccio && grep MIKUBUNTU ciccio
[21:42] <ppf> are you still sure passwd is the only thing you killed?
[21:42] <elisa87> how should I fix this? Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module"
[21:42] <ppf> maybe you're better of with a clean install
[21:42] <ppf> (or reinstall a new ubuntu over your current one)
[21:42] <terrible> hey it is possible to change the splash screen in ubuntu 16 xenial???
[21:43] <mabus> ppf: yes. im in a fully functioning system
[21:43] <mabus> i have applied updates to other things, things are working fine
[21:43] <ppf> except that apt is somehow broken
[21:45] <mabus> are you able to reinstall passwd from your system?
[21:45] <ppf> yes
[21:46] <mabus> im on 14.04
[21:46] <mabus> incidentally i tried on a 12.04 system and it doesn't even have 'apt'
[21:46] <mabus> (just apt-get)
[21:46] <mabus> what release are you on?
[21:47] <ppf> oh, somehow i thought you were on xenial
[21:47] <xfceone> compiz burn effect not working on 14.04 ,was removed?
[21:47] <ppf> then sudo apt-get install --reinstall passwd ?
[21:49] <mabus> no i tried with apt-get too, same result
[21:49] <mabus> is there a way i can manually get the package and just copy the binary?
[21:49] <ppf> you can manually download it, sure
[21:49] <ppf> !info passwd trusty
[21:50] <mabus> 1:4.1.5.1-1ubuntu9.1
[21:50] <mabus> is my isntalled versino
[21:50] <mabus> i dont know where to manually look for packages or how the binary is contained in it though
[21:51] <ppf> ttp://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/passwd
[21:54] <mabus> ppf: can you tell me what the expected permissions are on /etc/passwd
[21:54] <mabus> errr
[21:54] <Bashing-om> mabus: http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/passwd . ppf's leading h did not make the paste .
[21:54] <mabus> /usr/bin/passwd (really should stop messing those up now)
[21:54] <ppf> mabus: the package will contain that too
[21:55] <mabus> ppf: yeah, but in the right permissions already?
[21:55] <ppf> in the future, make an FS snapshot or run crazy things in a vm
[21:55] <ppf> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2380 Okt 21 00:17 /etc/passwd
[21:55] <mabus> not suid?
[21:56] <mabus> oh
[21:56] <mabus> yeah the binary, /usr/bin/passwd not the text file /etc/passwd
[21:56] <mabus> -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 47032 Oct 24 17:54 /usr/bin/passwd
[21:56] <ppf> that's -rwsr-xr-x
[21:57] <ppf> for me too
[21:57] <mabus> ok
[21:57] <mabus> thanks for your help again
[21:58] <bumblefuzz> so, I have a few programs set to launch when I log in... how do I set those apps to start up on a particular workspace?
[22:02] <bumblefuzz> so, I have a few programs set to launch when I log in... how do I set those apps to start up on a particular workspace?
[22:05] <_28_ria> hello, recently, I've started to get a whole bunch of errors during install. No matter, what I install. here is the install log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23373166/
[22:05] <MIKUBUNTU> can anyone help me try to recover my files from this target laptop running on 16-04 live session, and then secondarily get the wifi working? for the backstory -- curl https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/10/23/%23ubuntu.txt > ciccio && grep MIKUBUNTU ciccio
[22:07] <bekks> MIKUBUNTU: thats a chatlog, not a backstory.
[22:07] <Bashing-om> _28_ria: I am back .. reading .
[22:07] <_28_ria> and I've tried: "apt update; apt upgrade" and apt -f install, but nothing helped
[22:10] <bumblefuzz> so, I have a few programs set to launch when I log in... how do I set those apps to start up on a particular workspace?
[22:10] <MIKUBUNTU> heya bekks figured it would be helpful to put everything together instead of repeating over and over, seems like a good tool huh?
[22:11] <bekks> MIKUBUNTU: pretty much useless to force people reading an entire backlog instead of repharsing your actual issue in one line.
[22:13] <Bashing-om> _28_ria: As a gentle poke .. what results ' sudo apt install --reinstall showfsck ' ?
[22:13] <bekks> MIKUBUNTU: rephrasing even.
[22:14] <MIKUBUNTU> bekks i dunno someone gave me that code here yesterday just experimenting to see if it's useful. clearly not going over big with you .. lol. anyways, have a target hp laptop here thats been dark for couple months at least since it crashed immediately after an update. now this unit i'm typing on is getting into stages of harddrive failure so i really need to rescue the other box (and it's files)
[22:15] <bekks> MIKUBUNTU: And whats the actual ubuntu related issue on that?
[22:16] <MIKUBUNTU> the original os on the box is lubuntu 1404 or so, and the stick is lubuntu 1604
[22:17] <MIKUBUNTU> all my issues are always ubuntu, i don't use anything else (except my cousins mac today to burn the usb)
[22:17] <bekks> MIKUBUNTU: And what is the actual issue at that point?
[22:19] <MIKUBUNTU> bekks well i got the box booted up, but it won't connect to wireless, even tho it's detecting the wifi, and i've put in the correct security pwd. that would help me immensely through the help session if i could do everything on the one box. what i want to do is rescue the files off it, and then proceed with a fresh install.
[22:20] <_28_ria> Bashing-om: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23376361/
[22:20] <bekks> MIKUBUNTU: And besides all that irrelevant parts. What is the actual ubuntu releated issue regarding to recover your files?
[22:21] <bekks> MIKUBUNTU: what about: insert a live cd, mount your stuff, copy your files?
[22:21] <MIKUBUNTU> bekks well i'd appreciate help determining how to use the ubuntu (lubuntu) tools to accomplish the task
[22:21] <_28_ria> Bashing-om: oops, I've forgot to add the --reinstall parameter, just a sec, I will rerun with this param
[22:21] <bekks> MIKUBUNTU: how to accomplish which task?
[22:22] <bekks> MIKUBUNTU: See above.
[22:22] <MIKUBUNTU> rescue files, troubleshoot wireless issue
[22:22] <bekks> MIKUBUNTU: mount your stuff, copy it to a safe location.
[22:23] <kk4ewt> MIKUBUNTU,  boot the live mount your old /home   plug in external drive
[22:23] <_28_ria> Bashing-om: Here is the correct version with the --reinstall param: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23376367/
[22:23] <kk4ewt> mount it open your file manager drag and drop
[22:24] <MIKUBUNTU> kk4ewt: ok the stick is live now, i don't know how to access the underlying /home
[22:24] <bekks> MIKUBUNTU: Mount it.
[22:24] <bekks> !mount | MIKUBUNTU
[22:24] <bekks> +
[22:26] <Bashing-om> !info showfsck xenial
[22:26] <MIKUBUNTU> bekks: one of the 'features' of my failing harddrive is that i can't get various sites to render -- such as the link you just gave me: "This site can't be reached."
[22:27] <bekks> MIKUBUNTU: and all you have is that single machine?
[22:27] <MIKUBUNTU> bekks: kk4ewt so i can't follow any instructions on that page
[22:27] <Khar00f> good evening everyone
[22:28] <Bashing-om> _28_ria: Ouch this might get dicy ! .. Does ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ' run ?
[22:28] <Khar00f> I have a quick question i'm hoping someone can help with
[22:29] <MIKUBUNTU> bekks i have the target machine with the stick (but no wifi working) at my front left, and the machine with the failing hdd that i'm typing on front right
[22:29] <Khar00f> I was running a nas4free server with a raidz pool, but i wanted more flexibility when it came to apps installed, so i switched over to ubuntu 16.04
[22:29] <bekks> MIKUBUNTU: So you have a machine to open those links.
[22:29] <Khar00f> now i'm installing my services one by one, i got the raidz1 migrated over fine
[22:29] <Khar00f> openssh works fine as well
[22:30] <MIKUBUNTU> bekks: but it WON'T open them, as i explained above
[22:30] <bekks> MIKUBUNTU: so you have too machines unable to open links?
[22:30] <Khar00f> My issue is with smb shares, i edited smb.conf and added the shares, i see them in windows, but i can't access them
[22:30] <MIKUBUNTU> bekks that is correct
[22:31] <bekks> MIKUBUNTU: So why is the target machine unable to open links?
[22:31] <Khar00f> when i click on them it asks for authentication, i use the name of the user i added using adduser command, but it won't let me get through
[22:31] <Khar00f> i'n thinking it's one of 2 things
[22:31] <Khar00f> either smb needs their own users accounts
[22:31] <Khar00f> or the folder permissions are not set right
[22:32] <Khar00f> for the folders right now they have 775 permissions with uid/gid set to root
[22:32] <Khar00f> any ideas?
[22:34] <Khar00f> I tried to create a folder using sftp access (with the same user as the one i created) it won't let me, it says permission denied, i'm guessing it's the permissions and owners that are set wrong
[22:34] <MIKUBUNTU> bekks the target is unable to open links because the wifi is not connecting. it's detecting the network, but upon putting the correct pwd it is still not connecting, so clearly it can't open links in that condition
[22:35] <bekks> MIKUBUNTU: so for a workaround, plug in a cable.
[22:35] <bekks> MIKUBUNTU: And in case you have two computers without internet connection - how are you online in here?
[22:36] <MIKUBUNTU> bekks we had a hurricane two weeks ago and i can barely even move through the house to find anything for all the boxes that had to be brought in
[22:37] <bekks> MIKUBUNTU: which doesnt answer my last question.
[22:38] <MIKUBUNTU> bekks, one has connection -- this one, but failing hdd -- has gone read-only on me so that all kinds of little things don't work -- like i can't take a screenshot even
[22:39] <bekks> MIKUBUNTU: So plug in an external hd, mount it, and copy your files over.
[22:39] <MIKUBUNTU> bekks, can't i somehow copy to a usb storage?
[22:39] <bekks> MIKUBUNTU: "external hd" == "usb storage".
[22:39] <bekks> MIKUBUNTU: mount it, copy your files.
[22:40] <MIKUBUNTU> bekks ok, so that's the process i don't know how to do. i was hoping that someone could help me.
[22:40] <bekks> MIKUBUNTU: So on that internet working failing hd box - can you open the link given?
[22:41] <MIKUBUNTU> no, it says this site can not be reached
[22:41] <MIKUBUNTU> bekks its rather a conundrum
[22:44] <_28_ria> Bashing-om: Here is the "sudo apt update; sudo apt upgrade): http://paste.ubuntu.com/23376437/
[22:45] <Bashing-om> _28_ria: reading.
[22:45] <hello> ??
[22:45] <hello>  need help for jailbreak iphone (want to install linux repo)
[22:46] <CosmicNoises> hello, get advice on jailbreaking an iphone. When ready to install ubuntu, come back here for help if needed.
[22:47] <zykotick9> MIKUBUNTU: <OffTopic/Sidenote> i do find you all CAPS nickname visually distracting...  just sayin' (it's more when people are using it to address you...) "consider" changing it - or not...
[22:47] <Bashing-om> _28_ria: Yuk .. fraid this may be above my skill level ! .. but what results ' sudo apt install linux-image-generic ' ?
[22:47] <zykotick9> MIKUBUNTU: next time!  not now!
[22:48] <MIKUBUNTU> zykotick9: was a typo, then i just went with it
[22:49] <MIKUBUNTU> apparently nobody likes the choices i'm making today ... lol
[22:49] <MIKUBUNTU> zykotick9: but, point taken
[22:49] <CosmicNoises> _28_ria, apt is not suitable for running in scripts. Avoid.
[22:49] <_28_ria> Bashing-om: "sudo apt install linux-image-generic": http://paste.ubuntu.com/23376451/
[22:50] <_28_ria> CosmicNoises: apt-get and aptitude give me the same results
[22:50] <CosmicNoises> _28_ria, try sudo dpkg --configure -a
[22:51] <Bashing-om> _28_ria: That too had no effect .. I just do not know what to do in this situation .
[22:52] <_28_ria> CosmicNoises: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23376464/
[22:52] <_28_ria> Bashing-om: I am breaking my head too
[22:53] <kicksled> Hi, anyone that can help me with a quick isse I'm having with LiveCD Customization? I'm following along the guide and everything is ok until I'm running "sudo umount edit/dev" - I'm getting a reponse that target is busy. Any ideas how to resolve the issue?
[22:53] <MIKUBUNTU> how should the USB be formatted for receiving files if i am able to mount/copy them?
[22:54] <_28_ria> CosmicNoises: Bashing-om: There is probably, something to do with that missing LSB tags and overrides, but I've no idea, what it is, google doesn't help either.
[22:54] <AARC> Hi there
[22:54] <AARC> I ran into a bit of a wierd problem
[22:54] <CosmicNoises> _28_ria, check your /boot is not too full
[22:54] <AARC> I've freshly installed ubuntu 14.04 LTS
[22:54] <AARC> But network isn't working
[22:55] <AARC> sudo ifconfig shows eth0 and it shows the device as in having recieved an ipaddress
[22:56] <tomreyn> AARC: that sounds good already. what makes you think networking does not work then?
[22:57] <AARC> ping commands and sudo apt-get upgrade or sudo apt-get update won't work
[22:57] <AARC> Destination Host unreachable
[22:58] <AARC> Pings from an external pc don't work either
[22:58] <tomreyn> can you ping the gateway?
[22:58] <Bashing-om> _28_ria: Regrets, but I have never encountered such . Do not know how to proceed . Anything I may advise at this point could make the situation even worse .
[22:58] <AARC> However I can ping the gateway the installation is connected to
[22:58] <AARC> The gateway gives no response from the installation itself
[22:59] <_28_ria> CosmicNoises: "df -lh /boot" shows: "/dev/sda3        62G   35G   25G  59% /", that it's on the same mount, as the root "/", and it has 25G free, or are you saying, that boot might have too many files?
[22:59] <_28_ria> Bashing-om: Thanx for giving a try
[22:59] <tomreyn> AARC: so this doesn't work? ip r s | awk '/^default/ {print $3}' | xargs ping
[23:00] <AARC> tomreyn: attempting to do that now
[23:00] <CosmicNoises> _28_ria, occassionally the boot partition can become filled causing problems during updates and upgrades.
[23:01] <AARC> Command fails
[23:01] <AARC> Seems like the installation wasn't succesfull
[23:01] <tomreyn> AARC: how do you assign the ip address? dhcp? or manually?
[23:01] <AARC> dhcp
[23:01] <_28_ria> CosmicNoises: since, the partition which /boot folder is on, i.e. "/" has a lot of free space, do you mean that the actual directory "/boot", in my case has many files in it?
[23:02] <tomreyn> AARC: can you show: ip a; ip r; ip l
[23:02] <tomreyn> on a pastebin
[23:02] <tomreyn> !pastebin | AARC
[23:03] <AARC> One second, the guy having this problem is giving me remote access to it, since it's in a virtual machine
[23:04] <anubisra> hi is anyone got problems with chromium playing youtube videos??
[23:04] <tomreyn> debugging someone elses' netwokr issues remotely - that's not an ideal setup.
[23:04] <_28_ria> anubisra: me, no
[23:05] <anubisra> it's odd I've tried everything that i can think of
[23:05] <anubisra> firefox is ok
[23:05] <AARC> tomreyn: it's a remote host, cloud-at-cost
[23:05] <AARC> http://puu.sh/rUsS2/9572724790.png
[23:06] <tomreyn> anubisra: it'll be one of your browser add-ons
[23:06] <AARC> Can't copy paste from the remote console
[23:06] <anubisra> tomreyn: ill nowck them off
[23:07] <anubisra> tomreyn: no joy, still nothing
[23:08] <tomreyn> anubisra: without the cable plugged in, it won't work
[23:08] <anubisra> tomreyn: lol
[23:08] <anubisra> tomreyn: if only
[23:09] <tomreyn> 'no carrier'
[23:09] <tomreyn> and the interface is down
[23:09] <anubisra> tomreyn: firefox is running ok
[23:10] <tomreyn> anubisra: it's running fine, and loading pages from its cache alright?
[23:10] <anubisra> tomreyn: yes
[23:10] <tomreyn> anubisra: but not from anywhere else, right
[23:10] <tomreyn> because you don't have a network connection
[23:11] <anubisra> tomreyn: it's loading a full page but the video playback from is just black
[23:11] <tomreyn> right, it loads that page from its cache
[23:11] <tomreyn> its local file cache
[23:11] <tomreyn> a web broiwser is not a tool for analyzing netrwork connectivity
[23:12] <AARC> tomreyn: here is the result: http://puu.sh/rUsS2/9572724790.png
[23:12] <AARC> unable to copy text from this console...
[23:12] <tomreyn> AARC: that's the same image you pointed me to earlier
[23:13] <tomreyn> oh crap i totally mixed up AARC and anubisra there
[23:13] <AARC> well, seems like you are human aswell :P
[23:13] <tomreyn> AARC: sometimes
[23:14] <tomreyn> so, your cable is not plugged in, be it real or virtual
[23:14] <AARC> not plugged in, then the question is, where did it get the IP from
[23:15] <tomreyn> no idea, have you grepped /etc for it?
[23:16] <MIKUBUNTU> trying to erase USB to use as recepticle for files -- yesterday was trying to load live session on it but it aborted early. now i just tried to use startup disk creator to erase it and got this :: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23376529/
[23:17] <_28_ria> CosmicNoises: I will reboot to see if any of the things, I've done so far, affected anything.
[23:17] <CosmicNoises> MIKUBUNTU, use gparted
[23:18] <CosmicNoises> MIKUBUNTU, the error itself suggests this to you
[23:20] <MIKUBUNTU> CosmicNoises i was trying first to format/erase it with gparted, and it wasn't erasing which is why i decided to try something else. i may not know how to use gparted correctly
[23:20] <holmser> MIKUBUNTU, I'm currently in USB partition hell as well
[23:21] <MIKUBUNTU> holmser: i hate hell
[23:22] <CosmicNoises> MIKUBUNTU, make sure you start it with sudo permissions, identify your usb drive in the device list, and then delete and create a new partition on it.
[23:22] <CosmicNoises> MIKUBUNTU, be sure to click the "apply" button to actually begin making your changes
[23:23] <MIKUBUNTU> CosmicNoises: how do you enable sudo permissions on gparted?
[23:23] <CosmicNoises> MIKUBUNTU, open a terminal and type "sudo gparted"
[23:23] <AARC> sudo gparted
[23:23] <zykotick9> CosmicNoises: personally, i'd just mkfs onto the usb, and forget about partitioning (if it's for storage)... but your method works ;)
[23:24] <AARC> or just type "sudo -s"
[23:24] <CosmicNoises> zykotick9, yeah, but gparted is a little more manageable for newbies.
[23:24] <zykotick9> CosmicNoises: +1
[23:24] <MIKUBUNTU> CosmicNoises: ok will you help me through?
[23:25] <tomreyn> i think that base don the error message, the issue is a gpt (not msdos) partition table
[23:25] <CosmicNoises> MIKUBUNTU, open terminal, type "sudo gparted", enter password. Gparted will load. Top right there is a dropdown list of devices - select yours - make sure it matches the storage size you are expecting.
[23:26] <CosmicNoises> MIKUBUNTU, once you've selected your drive, you'll see a list of partitions on the drive. Right click and delete all partitions itul it just says "unallocated". Then right click on "unallocated" and create a new partition there. The default partition settings should be fine (either FAT32, NTFS, EXT4, whatever best suits your purposes)
[23:27] <CosmicNoises> MIKUBUNTU, finally click the big green tick button to apply the changes. A dialog box will show with details of the process and will inform you when it is complete or if it encounters errors.
[23:27] <zykotick9> !cookie | CosmicNoises
[23:28] <zykotick9> CosmicNoises: ^ serious
[23:28] <WhiteNight> Hello All. In Kubuntu 16.04, the Syslog viewer does not entertain system fonts settings and looks really bad ... Any clues?
[23:28] <CosmicNoises> zykotick9, I like to help... and I am bored and awake haha!
[23:29] <MIKUBUNTU> CosmicNoises: ok i'll try again
[23:30] <CosmicNoises> WhiteNight, try an alternative syslog viewer? I believe there are many from which to choose, although I've never personally sought one out.
[23:30] <WhiteNight> CosmicNoises, suggest a good one?
[23:30] <MIKUBUNTU> CosmicNoises: i get this on sudo start -- http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23376576/
[23:30] <CosmicNoises> WhiteNight, https://quadrantsec.com/sagan_log_analysis_engine/
[23:31] <CosmicNoises> MIKUBUNTU, that seems normal. Another window should pop up containing the GUI for gparted, no?
[23:32] <MIKUBUNTU> CosmicNoises: yes, but all the output scared me
[23:33] <CosmicNoises> MIKUBUNTU, don't worry about it, it doesn't say anything too harmful.
[23:34] <CosmicNoises> linux likes to spit stuff at you, and even seasoned developers don't understand the vast majority of it.
[23:37] <MIKUBUNTU> CosmicNoises: ok, so it does just say unallocated -- BUT, if i open the stick in the file manager it has all the file folders of a live session lubuntu on it -- (yesterday the copy process stuck at 194 mb)
[23:38] <CosmicNoises> MIKUBUNTU, yes, but nothing will ACTUALLY change on the drive until you click "apply". When you click "delete" and "create" partition, these just line those actions up to be performed.
[23:38] <CosmicNoises> They are not actually performed until you click apply.
[23:38] <MIKUBUNTU> CosmicNoises: so i open the file folder for the usb volume and i see boot casper dists efi intall isolinux pics pool preseed ubuntu md5sum and readme
[23:38] <CosmicNoises> also, try not to mount the drive while using gparted to make partition changes on it
[23:39] <MIKUBUNTU> CosmicNoises: i never actually saw a command for "delete" literally
[23:40] <MIKUBUNTU> CosmicNoises: and the 'apply button' is greyed out
[23:41] <CosmicNoises> MIKUBUNTU, probably because you mounted the drive
[23:41] <CosmicNoises> MIKUBUNTU, gparted will only let you perform operations on an unmounted drive
[23:41] <MIKUBUNTU> CosmicNoises: ok so how to remedy that?
[23:42] <CosmicNoises> close down gparted, go back, and follow my instructiosn to the letter
[23:42] <CosmicNoises> gparted will run and it will either work or give you errors to work with
[23:43] <MIKUBUNTU> cisstrd: gparted apparently sees the usb as mounted, because the mount command is muted out
[23:43] <RJ45> WOOOOOOOW
[23:43] <MIKUBUNTU> but i don't see any command to unmount
[23:43] <RJ45> nice netsplit
[23:44] <Bashing-om> MIKUBUNTU: There are those times too that GParted will see a swap partition and mount it in GParted .. do you se any key icons on GParted's display ?
[23:46] <RJ45> hi, this is probably a quick and easy newb problem; I need to upgrade a package using a package from debian's repo ('cos ubuntu repo don't have the update yet), but for gcc-4.9-base(4.9.2-10) I get "Error: breaks existing package 'lib32gcc1' dependancy gcc-4.9-base(4.9.1-0ubuntu1),  how do I get this shit installed??
[23:47] <tomreyn> RJ45: yuo don't
[23:48] <RJ45> tomreyn: Gnoooooo, there has-to be a way, I really need this package
[23:48] <NoCode_> So what happens when clutter won't start? This is after I "killall gnome-shell". there's error with clutter mentioned, but clutter has no command to start. Gnome-shell also won't start. I'm stuck restart the computer.
[23:48] <tomreyn> then upgrade to a a newer ubuntu release or use a backport if there is one
[23:49] <tomreyn> RJ45: randomly installing random packages from other releases or even distributions is recipe for desaster. generally, do not use dpkg -i (or gdebi) unless youknow exactly what implications doing so will have.
[23:49] <RJ45> tomreyn: aw c'mon, that's ridiculous, I have like 4 years of mess all over this computer, I have literally 300 programs installed, really 300, and that's on-top of the stuff that comes with Xubuntu..
[23:50] <tomreyn> RJ45: do you created the perfect, never upgradable, computer?
[23:50] <tomreyn> :-P
[23:50] <RJ45> tomreyn: yyyuup
[23:50] <tomreyn> RJ45: well, this system cannot be supproted
[23:51] <tomreyn> RJ45: but let's try a different approach to this issue: which ubuntu release do you run there?
[23:51] <RJ45> I get anxiety attacks when I do an update, in-case everything takes a huge shit.. (luckily my last update (today) was okay) I only install SECURITY updates ONLY XD
[23:52] <RJ45> I am running Xubuntu 14.04 upgraded from 12.04, with the latest security updates
[23:52] <tomreyn> it's ok to only install security updates, as long as you're on a supported release.
[23:52] <tomreyn> and you are apparently
[23:53] <RJ45> tomreyn: I'm trying to get the very latest patch of 'lshw' installed, 'cos it supposedly fixes a seg-fault bug I'm having when I run it with a certain USB enclosure.. yadayda
[23:53] <tomreyn> well more or less. i assume.
[23:53] <tomreyn> you could download the source package, patch it, build it, install it
[23:54] <RJ45> I doubt installing debian's lshw would cause any real problems, I  mean it'[s just lshw.. and the version is literally one patch away from my current one
[23:54] <tomreyn> or you could try a different software which does similar things, such as hwinfo and dmidecode.
[23:55] <tomreyn> you'd pull indifferent dependencies. either way, not supported here.
[23:55] <RJ45> I'd really really like to see if this patch of lshw works..
[23:55] <tomreyn> well then give it a try.
[23:55] <RJ45> is there even a shady sort of way that could work?
[23:55] <RJ45> how?
 you could download the source package, patch it, build it, install it
[23:56]  * RJ45 is feelin' lucky tonight and wants to take a few risks
[23:56] <tomreyn> i can tell so much :)
 you could download the source package, patch it, build it, install it
[23:57] <RJ45> ..what am I a software engineer?, there's a reason I use Xubuntu and not Gentoo
[23:57] <RJ45> apt-get all the way baby, I don't even want to know better
[23:58] <bazhang> RJ45, for which package
[23:58] <RJ45> bazhang: trying to get this installed  https://packages.debian.org/stable/lshw
[23:59] <RJ45> but it depends on https://packages.debian.org/jessie/gcc-4.9-base
[23:59] <RJ45> > but for gcc-4.9-base(4.9.2-10) I get "Error: breaks existing package 'lib32gcc1' dependancy gcc-4.9-base(4.9.1-0ubuntu1)
[23:59] <bazhang> RJ45, why are you showing us debian packages