[04:51] <hikiko> hello
[06:09] <pitti> Good morning
[06:29] <didrocks> good morning pitti!
[06:29] <pitti> bonjour didrocks ! comment vas-tu ?
[06:29] <didrocks> pitti: ça va bien, et toi ? :)
[06:30] <pitti> ça va bien aussi ! bien rentrè de Louvain
[06:30] <pitti> on a revu Michael et sa femme, ils ont un petite bébé maintenant :)
[06:35] <didrocks> oh :)
[07:03] <desrt> hello fellow coworkers!
[07:04] <didrocks> good morning desrt
[07:05] <desrt> hey didrocks :)
[07:05] <desrt> you're very active in the desktop channel this morning
[07:05] <desrt> considering a career change? :)
[07:05] <didrocks> 4 messages! :)
[07:06] <didrocks> ahah
[07:10] <pitti> bonjour desrt!
[07:22] <desrt> hihi pitti :)
[07:22] <desrt> seems like #-desktop is full of non-desktop people this morning :)
[07:23] <pitti> s3kr1t world^Wdesktop domination plan!
[08:00] <flexiondotorg> Morning
[08:03] <Laney> sup sup sup
[08:03] <seb128> hey flexiondotorg Laney
[08:03] <flexiondotorg> Laney, seb128 o/
[08:03] <seb128> how is u.k?
[08:03] <flexiondotorg> Full of Ubuflu here.
[08:03] <pitti> good day flexiondotorg and Laney
[08:03] <pitti> bonjour seb128 !
[08:03] <seb128> hey pitti, wie gehts?
[08:03] <flexiondotorg> pitti, o/
[08:04] <pitti> seb128: prima, danke! wir hatten ein schönes Wochenende in Leuven
[08:04] <seb128> nice
[08:04] <pitti> Laney, seb128: the silo f*****ng landed!!
[08:04] <seb128> wooot
[08:04] <pitti> (just needs to get through the autopkgtest queue)
[08:04] <seb128> so only hud and unity-greeter remaining?
[08:05] <pitti> seb128: I'll put up another request for hud today, but for z only
[08:05] <pitti> seb128: yes, u-g is on my list
[08:05] <seb128> I was planning to do hud today
[08:05]  * pitti is still finishing up some britney reworking to unblock Rob
[08:05] <seb128> sorry just got too busy at the sprint to deal with that
[08:05] <pitti> seb128: oh, even better
[08:05] <pitti> seb128: no worries
[08:05] <Laney> hey seb128 flexiondotorg pitti desrt didrocks!
[08:05] <Laney> the silo of doooooooooom
[08:06] <pitti> I guess the hud z-only one should take only a few hours in comparison :)
[08:08] <Laney> ah, team meeting email from seb128
[08:08] <Laney> it's like the good old days
[08:09] <pitti> what, no telegram group? :-)
[08:09] <seb128> :-)
[08:10] <Laney> it was rocket chat at the sprint
[08:10] <Laney> let's just wait a couple of years until we're back to IRC :P
[08:10] <didrocks> hey hey flexiondotorg, Laney!
[08:10] <flexiondotorg> didrocks, Laney Morning
[08:11] <Laney> https://twitter.com/nixcraft/status/790558903301869572
[08:17] <seb128> lol
[08:17] <pitti> +1
[08:27] <seb128> is "show my location" working for others in firefox on google map (if you are not connect to a google account) or on openstreetmap?
[08:28] <seb128> connected*
[08:29] <pitti> *not* connected to google -- i. e. in pr0n mode?
[08:29] <seb128> lol
[08:29] <pitti> seb128: where do I see "show my location" in gmap?
[08:29] <seb128> bottom right
[08:29] <seb128> the  icon on top of +/-
[08:29] <seb128> round
[08:30] <seb128> it should trigger a "do you want to share your location"
[08:30] <davmor2> seb128: it doesn't give me the right possition but it works ish
[08:30] <pitti> seb128: yes, I do get the popup question, say yes, and it moves to Augsburg
[08:31] <pitti> seb128: (that's in private mode, i. e. not logged into anything)
[08:31] <davmor2> I had the popup
[08:31] <pitti> it's of course off by ~ 4 km, but I'd still call it "works"
[08:31] <pitti> actually quite impressive for geolocation
[08:32] <davmor2> pitti: +1
[08:32] <pitti> (or "scary", depending on your PoV :) )
[08:32] <seb128> davmor2, pitti, thanks, in fact it works for me as well in a guest session, so I guess it's something in my user profile :-/
[08:38] <seb128> yeah, was my profile :-/
[08:42] <davmor2> \o/
[08:43] <seb128> wth, geo.wifi.url is set to "geoloc://localhost/b5i6p5sy"
[08:43] <seb128> resetting that fixes it
[08:43] <Laney> seb128: pitti: didrocks: larsu: desrt(???): two years ago today we were walking around DC looking at public art
[08:43] <Laney> google just told me
[08:43] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ^ hey, do you have any idea what could have set that for me?
[08:43] <Laney> \o/
[08:43]  * Laney checks firefox too
[08:43] <desrt> Laney: google location tracking stuff?
[08:43] <Laney> "on this day" notification
[08:44] <seb128> that's trendy, facebook does that as well
[08:45] <Laney> https://goo.gl/photos/LeEXZ8Kko9y59Fqy6
[08:46] <Laney> geolocation works for me
[08:47] <Laney> that URL is set to googleapis.com/stuff
[08:47] <seb128_> sorry, got disconnected
[08:47] <Laney> more accurate than 4km too, maybe 300m
[08:47] <seb128_> yeah, default is googleapi
[08:48] <seb128_> unsure how mine got set to localhost
[08:48] <seb128_> oh
[08:49] <seb128> oohhhhh, I remember
[08:50] <seb128> it's my fault, I tried to use something to fake the location once to see if that was enough to get tv replay working while travelling
[08:50] <Laney> haha
[08:50] <larsu> Laney: public art?
[08:50] <larsu> also, hi Laney :)
[08:50] <seb128> hey larsu, how is live in Berlin?
[08:50] <larsu> and hi EVERYONE
[08:50] <larsu> seb128: grey :/
[08:51] <larsu> otherwise great, of course. How are you
[08:51] <seb128> I'm good
[08:51] <larsu> how was the sprint?
[08:51] <seb128> really good!
[08:51]  * larsu missed you guys
[08:51] <seb128> we had fun, and team dinner was really great
[08:51] <seb128> we missed you as well
[08:52] <seb128> we had didrocks joining us so that was nice
[08:52] <Laney> hey larsu
[08:52] <Laney> see the album link
[08:54] <larsu> Laney: ooh, nice memories :)
[09:08] <seb128> getting off IRC for a while, navigating between places since we have workers at home and I can't really work from there with the noise&co
[09:42] <Sweet5hark> hmmm, so my libreoffice build from yesterday failed with the most awesome error message ever: "No. You make ME a sandwich."
[09:56] <pitti> haha
[09:56] <pitti> Sweet5hark: #include <xkcd.h> ?
[10:03] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128
[10:03] <chrisccoulson> it seems you've answered your question now :)
[10:03] <Sweet5hark> pitti: yup. A failsafe in the libreoffice Makefile to prevent some clueless newcomers from running the builds as root, and then exploding their system when they try to dig out of their hole ...
[10:15]  * Sweet5hark still feeling somewhat sick today. Probably had some bad fruit yesterday :/
[10:31] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, hi :), when you prepare 5.2.3.2, please pick up a fix for https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=99723 if it doesn't get merged
[10:31] <ubot5`> bugs.documentfoundation.org bug 99723 in Printing and PDF export "Setting image Compression in PDF export does not result in smaller file size" [Major,New]
[10:44] <Sweet5hark> ricotz: thats an UI change. have you checked how this interacts with l10ns (even if they are wrong now)?
[10:46] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, how is that an UI change?
[10:48] <Sweet5hark> ricotz: it does changes in a .ui file -- thats pretty much the definition of a ui-change, because changes there might break l10n.
[10:50] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, I think you are looking at the wrong bug report
[10:50] <ricotz> this is the corresponding gerrit proposal https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/30163/1
[10:52] <Sweet5hark> ricotz: urgh. but that seems only to be half of the solution, see: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=99723#c10
[10:52] <ubot5`> bugs.documentfoundation.org bug 99723 in Printing and PDF export "Setting image Compression in PDF export does not result in smaller file size" [Major,New]
[10:58] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, hmm, despite this the functionality itself isn't working at all
[10:58] <ricotz> so I was aiming for the recent patch
[11:00] <Sweet5hark> ricotz: well, half-fixing a regression will just create more trouble. Id think we should have both patches or none backported.
[11:03] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, I guess this is your choice then, but I don't see this string change being merged with 5.2.3 though
[11:04] <ricotz> meaning leaving its complete functionality broken, which is worse imho
[11:05] <pitti> robru: so "the" indicator ticket landed now, but finalize stumbled over something: https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1710
[11:11] <Sweet5hark> yeeeha, https://code.launchpad.net/~bjoern-michaelsen/+snap/libreoffice-snap-test/+build/8051 got past the "no. you make ME a sandwich."
[11:14] <davmor2> username is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
[11:35] <Sweet5hark> ricotz: pushed the patch to master, suggested it for inclusion in 5.2.4, left it out of 5.2.3. also left aside the quality/compression exchange: its not a recent regression and a UI change.
[11:46] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, thanks!
[12:04] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey, indeed did ;-)
[12:05] <seb128> chrisccoulson, did you have a nice w.e? when did you finally got back with the lcy issues?
[12:21] <chrisccoulson> seb128, I got back home at 4am. I regret not just getting in a taxi at stansted now
[12:22] <chrisccoulson> or, even better - I could have hired a car at stansted and drove myself back. I'd have got back home by midnight, and it would have only cost around £80
[12:23] <chrisccoulson> I even had my drivers license with me. I'm not sure why I didn't think of that on friday night
[12:23] <seb128> :-/
[12:52] <xnox> chrisccoulson, ouch. I did say there were delays. I guess i'm lucky, with just a just one hour delay into gatwick and then taking a train.
[14:40] <dobey> qengho: http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Build-a-Premium-Sous-Vide-Cooker/
[15:01] <pitti> tedg: do you know why an indicator would cause some dbus chattery (http://paste.ubuntu.com/23379244/) in the unity-greeter process when it gets started through upstart, but not from the command line or through systemd with the same environment?
[15:01] <pitti> tedg: I'm trying to port unity-greeter, and the obvious bits are easy (indicators are running), but the greeter panel does not "see" them
[15:02] <tedg> pitti: GMenuModel only becomes chatty after the first request, so it tries to reduce dbus traffic unless it thinks someone is listening.
[15:03] <pitti> tedg: i. e. I start it on the CLI with http://paste.ubuntu.com/23379252/ and there's no obvious error
[15:03] <pitti> tedg: but initctl stop/start indicator-datetime works fine
[15:03] <tedg> pitti: Could they be on different dbus busses?
[15:04] <pitti> tedg: oh, good point
[15:04] <pitti> I see the dbus-user-session one (from dbus.service), and the a11y one, but also
[15:05] <pitti> /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --fork --print-pid 5 --print-address 7 --session
[15:05] <tedg> Heh, you've got a lot of busses! ;-)
[15:05] <pitti> tedg: indeed
[15:05] <pitti> unity-greeter has DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=unix:abstract=/tmp/dbus-DOnxE5hDZW,guid=98ea1b57b0a2e9941242aabd580f7015
[15:05] <pitti> everything else the normal unix:path=/run/user/108/bus
[15:06] <tedg> Could upstart be starting one?
[15:06] <pitti> tedg: thanks, nice hint! (quite obvious in retrospect, but I didn't get that idea)
[15:06] <tedg> I like how you described the user bus as "normal" ;-)
[15:06]  * tedg is too old for these new fangled busses
[15:06] <pitti> well, I describe "$DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS exists, use it instead of launching a new one" as normal :)
[15:07] <pitti> tedg: but honestly I prefer a tram as well!
[15:18] <seb128> Laney, was it to you that I pointed out buggy indicators (icons being the icon-not-found one) in the plenary? that could be bug #1635625
[15:18] <ubot5`> bug 1635625 in unity (Ubuntu) "Some indicator icons are missing after unlocking the screen" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1635625
[15:18] <seb128> Trevinho, andyrock, ^ is that something known by you?
[15:19] <andyrock> nope
[15:19] <Trevinho> seb128: no
[15:19] <seb128> k
[15:20] <seb128> andyrock, Trevinho, hey btw, had a good trip back?
[15:20] <Laney> could be
[15:20] <Laney> good find
[15:20] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah, it has been quite easy for me... I've spent one more day in the hague. Then short fly.
[15:20] <andyrock> seb128: web weekend but yeah :D
[15:21] <seb128> lol
[15:21] <seb128> because weather sucks in Italy? ;-)
[15:21] <andyrock> *wet
[15:21] <seb128> Trevinho, hope you enjoyed the bike tour on saturday ;-)
[15:21] <andyrock> i was in berlin
[15:21] <andyrock> ahah
[15:22] <seb128> that explains it
[15:27] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah, short but nice
[15:28] <Trevinho> seb128: tested that indicator issue with the electron app mentioned there, I can't reproduce it though,
[15:29] <seb128> Trevinho, k, seems like with appindicator but it might be a race with the upstart/systemd job?
[15:30] <seb128> but meanwhile it's meeting time
[15:30] <seb128> so let's do that
[15:30] <seb128> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-10-25
[15:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Oct 25 15:30:22 2016 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:30] <seb128> roll call:  andyrock, attente, desrt,  dgadomski, fjkong, flexiondotorg, happyaron (out), hikiko (out?), laney, qengho, seb128, sweet5hark, themuso, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[15:30] <flexiondotorg> o/
[15:30] <andyrock> 0/
[15:30] <dgadomski> o/
[15:31] <seb128> (sorry I don't have a good overview of those who are not back yet/out this week, didn't properly sync up with willcooke)
[15:31] <desrt> o hai
[15:31] <seb128> I hope everybody had a fun team week and made it back without too many issues
[15:31] <seb128> k, let's get started
[15:31] <seb128> #topic andyrock
[15:32] <seb128> andyrock, hey
[15:32] <andyrock> hey
[15:32] <andyrock> so sprint
[15:32] <andyrock> and I started to work on unity8 quicklist
[15:32] <andyrock> update the design and add some things that are not still there
[15:32] <andyrock> like the list of open windows
[15:32] <andyrock> eof
[15:33] <seb128> thanks andyrock
[15:33] <seb128> #topic attente
[15:34] <attente> hey
[15:34] <attente> mostly sprint with planning and discussions about the next cycle
[15:34] <seb128> attente, hey, I was unsure if you were already back since you left on sunday
[15:34] <seb128> good to see you made it ;-)
[15:34] <attente> seb128: yep, good to be home :)
[15:35] <attente> trying to finish the paste side of the copy-paste thing with gtk-mir
[15:35] <seb128> tonigh it climbing night? ;-)
[15:35] <attente> seb128: you know it
[15:35] <seb128> (sorry didn't mean to disturbe in the middle of your summary, should I waited for you to be done with the update part)
[15:36] <Laney> it's quicker to say which night isn't climbing night
[15:36] <Laney> NONE OF THEM!
[15:36] <seb128> :-)
[15:36] <attente> ;)
[15:36] <attente> anyways, (eof)
[15:37] <seb128> thanks attente
[15:37] <seb128> #topic desrt
[15:37] <desrt> hey meetingmaster seb :D
[15:37] <seb128> desrt, hey, hope you are feeling better this week
[15:37] <seb128> :-)
[15:37] <desrt> - sprint last week
[15:37] <desrt> - path-based and negative locks in dconf dbs are working
[15:37] <desrt> - client side dconf proxy stuff is fleshed-out, but details related to detection of confinement remain
[15:37] <desrt> - work starting on proxy service
[15:37] <desrt> - figured out the algorithm for converting app confinment policy + admin lockdown into a configuration of 2 dconf dbs to expose to the confined client
[15:37] <desrt> - recovering from ubuflu
[15:37] <desrt> *cough*
[15:38] <seb128> get better!
[15:38] <desrt> thx!
[15:38] <seb128> thanks desrt
[15:38] <seb128> #topic dgadomski
[15:38] <dgadomski> hey
[15:38] <seb128> dgadomski, hey
[15:38] <dgadomski> unfortunately I don't have anything desktop-related to share this time. Plus I've been off a couple of days last week.
[15:38] <dgadomski> so that's an EOF
[15:38] <seb128> no worry, thanks dgadomski
[15:38] <seb128> #topic FJKong_
[15:38] <seb128> FJKong_, hey
[15:39] <FJKong_> hii
[15:39] <FJKong_> not ready yet
[15:39] <FJKong_> maybe 1min later
[15:39] <seb128> k, I'm coming back to you at the end
[15:39] <seb128> #topic flexiondotorg
[15:40] <seb128> flexiondotorg, hey
[15:40] <flexiondotorg> Hello!
[15:40] <flexiondotorg> Before the sprint:
[15:40] <seb128> getting over the ubuflu?
[15:40] <flexiondotorg> • Ubuntu 16.10 image testing.
[15:40]  * flexiondotorg coughs
[15:40] <flexiondotorg> • Getting more familiar with Unity 8 and Libertine on the desktop.
[15:40] <flexiondotorg> • Assisting tvoss with VC4 hardware enablement for Raspberry Pi 2/3
[15:40] <flexiondotorg> • 1/2 day on Ubuntu MATE release tasks as agreed with Will.
[15:40] <flexiondotorg> • Updated merge proposal (Firefox tooltips)  for ubuntu-themes for Yakkety (LP: #1478173)
[15:40] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1478173 in ubuntu-themes (Ubuntu) "Ambiance & Radiance themes are missing a "background-color" for tooltip elements (needed for GTK3-enabled Firefox Nightly)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1478173
[15:40] <flexiondotorg> • Created a merge proposal (dim insensitive icons)  for ubuntu-themes for Yakkety  and Xenial (LP: #1578810)
[15:40] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1578810 in Ubuntu theme "Insensitive (disabled) toolbar icons in GTK3 are not dimmed" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1578810
[15:40] <flexiondotorg> The sprint and after:
[15:40] <flexiondotorg> • UES Sprint preparation on Pathable and wrap-up tasks.
[15:40] <flexiondotorg> • The joy of Ubuflu.
[15:41] <flexiondotorg> • Researched Candidates for the Snap Upstream Blitz and updated the Trello board.
[15:41] <flexiondotorg> • Experimenting with snap content-interface.
[15:41] <flexiondotorg> eof
[15:41] <seb128> thanks flexiondotorg, sounds like you have been busy, which is good ;-)
[15:41] <flexiondotorg> Somewhat.
[15:41] <seb128> hope you get over the ubuflu in the next days!
[15:41] <flexiondotorg> Will be picking up on the GTK theme fixes from tomorrow.
[15:42] <seb128> great
[15:42] <seb128> k, next one
[15:42] <seb128> happyaron is off this week
[15:42] <seb128> #topic hikiko
[15:42] <seb128> hikiko, you around or should I post the summary you sent me?
[15:42] <seb128> oh and hey ;-)
[15:43] <seb128> I guess she's out so let's enjoy working copy/paste in u7!
[15:43] <seb128> * in Hague: worked in old bugs/low gfx presentation
[15:43] <seb128> * I was off on Monday
[15:43] <seb128> * today: I'm finishing the task from before Hague, to start working on
[15:43] <seb128> the next features we discussed in the sprint
[15:43] <seb128> #topic Laney
[15:43] <seb128> Laney, hey there!
[15:44] <Laney> sup
[15:44] <Laney> • 16.10 release work, testing ISOs, reviewing/accepting packages & marking things as ready
[15:44] <Laney> • schprint
[15:44] <Laney> • synced perl and did approximately 568 uploads for the ensuing transition, including some real fixes; more coming & fixing all the fallout (FTBFS, tests, etc)
[15:44] <Laney> • uploaded theme for dimmed icon fixes
[15:44] <Laney> • tried to find some easy packaging tasks for FJK, thanks jbicha
[15:44] <Laney> • started experimenting with AMQP for the appstream decentralisation work, thanks lxd
[15:44] <Laney> • helped with some opening tasks (setting up reports and stuff)
[15:44] <Laney> 🚨
[15:44] <seb128> thanks Laney
[15:44] <seb128> #topic qengho
[15:44] <seb128> qengho, hey
[15:45] <seb128> no qengho?
[15:46] <seb128> k, let's move on
[15:46] <seb128> #topic seb128
[15:47] <seb128> I didn't take detailled notes during the team week but went to quite some sessions, trying to figure out what we need to do next cycle and what is coming from other teams, otherwise spent monday catching up on emails/discussions and today doing bugtriage and preparing for the next cycle
[15:47] <seb128> #topic Sweet5hark
[15:47] <seb128> Sweet5hark, hey
[15:47] <Sweet5hark> - den Haag sprint
[15:47] <Sweet5hark> - libreoffice 5.1.6~rc2 staging to ppa for xenial
[15:47] <Sweet5hark> - first light one hour ago: libreoffice 5.2.2.2 snap completes launchpad builds on amd64: https://code.launchpad.net/~bjoern-michaelsen/+snap/libreoffice-snap-test/+build/8051
[15:47] <Sweet5hark> - (untested, no other platforms yet, some more fineprint)
[15:47] <Sweet5hark> - some upstream patch review, backporting and fixing nasty buildsystem cornercases
[15:47] <Sweet5hark> EOF
[15:47] <Sweet5hark> on an unrelated note: Im just heating up some canned ravioli, will call them "pasta" in impunity as there wont be anything italians will be able to do about that.
[15:47] <Laney> :D
[15:48] <seb128> be careful they might remember next time they see you
[15:48] <seb128> thanks Sweet5hark!
[15:48] <Sweet5hark> seb128: true
[15:48] <seb128> didn't get any status update from Themuso so next is
[15:49] <seb128> #topic tkamppeter
[15:49] <seb128> tkamppeter, hey
[15:49] <tkamppeter>            - cups-filters: Allow changing BrowseInterval and BrowseTimeout for legacy CUPS browsing in cups-browsed, replace old man page macro calls in foomatic-rip man page, fixed crash in texttopdf, fixed checking of whether a network printer is a compatible PCL 5c/e one in cups-browsed.
[15:49] <tkamppeter> - Further testing of printing snap, found a way to solve the problem of fonts not being found.
[15:49] <tkamppeter> - First successful auto-setup of an IPP Everywhere printer with cups-browsed.
[15:49] <tkamppeter> - Bugs.
[15:50] <seb128> tkamppeter, thanks, and nice demo on friday, shame that you hit that network bug at the end :-/
[15:51] <seb128> k, next
[15:51] <seb128> #topic Trevinho
[15:51] <seb128> Trevinho, hey ;-)
[15:51] <Trevinho> · Sprint attendance, lots of meetings
[15:51] <Trevinho> · Improvements and cleanup for qmenumodel
[15:51] <Trevinho> · Added more unit tests for qmenumodel
[15:51] <Trevinho> · Updated calendar indicator to show days with events
[15:51] <Trevinho> · Fixed clipping in slots-layout based menu items for indicators
[15:51] <Trevinho>  /EOF
[15:51] <tkamppeter> seb128, probably they were already taking down the network instead of sitting down, listening to sabdfl and relaxing ...
[15:52] <seb128> tkamppeter, could have been it :-)
[15:52] <seb128> Trevinho, good work, thanks!
[15:52] <seb128> so robert is not back so no summary from him
[15:53] <seb128> which means we go back to FJKong_ if I haven't forgotten anyone on the way
[15:53] <seb128> #topic FJKong_
[15:53] <seb128> FJKong_, ready this time? ;-)
[15:53] <FJKong_> Sprint
[15:53] <FJKong_> Bug#831093 fix build error in qterm
[15:53] <FJKong_> discuss on using input method in snaps
[15:53] <FJKong_> #1630281
[15:53] <FJKong_> fltk-based app snap exit with "XOpenIM() failed
[15:53] <FJKong_> #1635267
[15:53] <FJKong_> cqrlog cann't remove from yakkety
[15:53] <FJKong_> #1636249
[15:53] <FJKong_> Drop patches from 3.22.0-1ubuntu1 that aren't needed with GNOME 3.22 Edit
[15:53] <FJKong_> in progressing
[15:53] <FJKong_> eof
[15:53] <seb128> thanks FJKong_!
[15:53] <seb128> #topic aob
[15:54] <seb128> did I forget anyone? or does anyone has some extra topic they wanted to bring?
[15:55]  * desrt blinks
[15:55] <seb128> hey, seems we are done then
[15:55] <desrt> an excellent meeting, seb!
[15:55] <seb128> thanks everyone, was good to see the team for sure
[15:55] <desrt> aob?  more sprints!!
[15:55] <Sweet5hark> thx folks
[15:56] <seb128> #endmeeting
[15:56] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Oct 25 15:56:01 2016 UTC.
[15:56] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2016/ubuntu-desktop.2016-10-25-15.30.moin.txt
[15:56] <flexiondotorg> Thanks seb128
[15:57] <Laney> thanks
[15:57] <Laney> quality chairing
[15:58] <seb128> :-)
[16:07] <seb128> Sweet5hark, bug #1584740 seems another bugs with several users seeing performances issues with libreoffice-gtk installed ... is that something being investigated? seems to hit a bunch of users
[16:07] <ubot5`> bug 1584740 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "Libreoffice impress hanging and high cpu on slide operations" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1584740
[16:08] <seb128> there was another one with similar issues on writer iirc
[16:11] <Sweet5hark> seb128: well, the answer to that is "gtk3 backend is still slower than gtk2 in some scenarios". I dont think there will be a single cause or a single fix for these. there clearly still is room for improvement of the gtk3 backend, but it will be lots of small fixes upstream, not something readily backportable to 5.2/yakkety unfortunately.
[16:13] <seb128> Sweet5hark, well, there might be one obvious slow path leading to main issues
[16:14] <Sweet5hark> seb128: but yeah: this "hanging" stuff is of course not how it should be. some running under gdb and looking at stacktraces might help. Ill look into that.
[16:14] <Sweet5hark> (if I can repro)
[16:14] <seb128> thanks
[16:14] <seb128> yeah, I just wanted to point out because quite some users hit it
[16:14] <seb128> so seems worth trying if we can reproduce and maybe debug some specific obvious case
[16:15] <seb128> like that bug several users say that libreoffice hangs up to 10 minutes doing changes to slides
[16:16] <Sweet5hark> seb128: yep, the only reason I am not freaking out is that (something like) this was kinda expected when hopping over to gtk3. better to have the pain with LTS+1 than some other time still.
[16:17] <seb128> luckily users can install the new version from the snap right? ;-)
[16:17] <Sweet5hark> seb128: heh, I was just thinking about that.
[16:17] <seb128> Sweet5hark, those reports are from the lts though, not from +1
[16:18] <Sweet5hark> seb128: it will be interesting to see if there are major differences between libreoffice 5.2 on yakkety (native) and from the snap as while both default to gtk3, they are build against different versions of gtk3 etc. (snap is still build on xenial)
[16:20] <Sweet5hark> seb128: ahhum! indeed thats with 5.1.2 on xenial which defaults to gtk2. Curious.
[16:22] <seb128> Sweet5hark, could be that they installed -gtk3, we should make apport report that information
[16:22] <Sweet5hark> jup.
[16:27]  * Sweet5hark reboots to windoze for some build system foo and then will be gone for today. Have fun!
[16:58] <seb128> k, caling it a day as well, have a nice evening desktopers
[18:11] <davmor2> pitti: woohoo just upgraded to zesty and pstree shows me indicators are now all under systemd \o/
[18:54] <pitti> davmor2: it's like an entirely different life, isn't it? : -)
[18:55] <pitti> "test case: nothing changes"
[18:55] <davmor2> pitti: :)
[18:55] <davmor2> no test case things keep working
[19:00] <dobey> well obviously something changed :P
[19:10] <dobey> when is robert_ancell back?
[19:13] <pitti> tedg: a-haa! /usr/lib/lightdm/lightdm-greeter-session, called by /usr/share/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/50-greeter-wrapper.conf, starts another dbus without checking for an existing one
[19:13] <pitti> that was a bit of a search
[19:14] <pitti> et voilà, my unity-greeter port works
[19:18] <jbicha> pitti: are you interested in doing a pango1.0 upload to Debian to fix its autopkgtest? (it's blocking the gtk 3.22 transition) https://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/pkg-gnome?view=revision&revision=51547
[19:19] <pitti> jbicha: yes, I am; I just didn't track down the regression yet
[19:19] <jbicha> i think it was just missing a hyphen, I just pushed a fix to svn
[19:20] <pitti> jbicha: oh dear, nicely spotted
[19:55] <pitti> jbicha: gosh, I forgot how incredibly awful svn was..
[19:56] <jbicha> pitti: if we're lucky pkg-gnome might convert to git in the next year :|
[19:57] <pitti> jbicha: test passes again with this fix, thanks
[20:02] <Guma> Any one here has issue connecting external USB driver to 16.04 and not able to mount? lsusb shows that device so is dmesg and no errors. But fdisk -l does not show sdb. Drive fir now is perforated to FAT32
[20:37] <dobey> Guma: really a question for #ubuntu, but if it's one of the fancy drives with software encryption feature, or something similar, it probably requires the special windows software to run it
[20:37] <Guma> dobey No it is a bug that other do see. It works under 14.04 but not 16.04
[20:38] <Guma> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1591521
[20:38] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1591521 in linux (Ubuntu) "Kernel Does not recognize some USB 3.0 hard drives" [Medium,Triaged]
[20:39] <dobey> well if there's a bug already filed that you know is your issue, it seems like #ubuntu-kernel would be the appropriate place to ask about status of that bug