[01:12] <hello> need help for password cracker tool - > excel sheet is password lock
[02:38] <Guest77> Hey! I want to install ubuntu touch via multiROM Manager on my Nexus 7 2013 LTE. Which version is recommended?
[07:04] <kaisoz> hi there
[09:55] <UBport-use|75227> Can you develop Ubuntu Touch for Huawei P8 Lite ? please
[10:55] <Qwertie> Does ubuntu touch use apt?
[10:57] <davmor2> Qwertie: no it uses click
[10:59] <Qwertie> davmor2: Are system packages in the click format?
[10:59] <davmor2> Qwertie: some is some isn't
[11:00] <Qwertie> Im just wondering if I will still be able to do system updates like on a desktop or it an android style reboot and flash the new image
[11:01] <davmor2> Qwertie: android style ota
[11:02] <Qwertie> Oh, thats a shame :/
[11:25] <jgdx> Qwertie, you can use apt all you want. It's still Ubuntu.
[11:26] <ogra_> but you got to keep the pieces if it breaks
[11:26] <jgdx> oh yeah
[11:26] <ogra_> (and dont expect any support with it)
[14:50] <patarr> ogra_: do you perhaps know why sailfish os uses that proprietary dalvik vm? Do you think it would be possible to run APKs on ubuntu touch using some OSS tech?
[14:52] <k1l> patarr: iirc they wanted to use and promote that android apps do run on sailfish. so they needed that java vm to let them run. but it seemed it didnt work that good, and it stopped people from making native sailfish apps.
[14:53] <TheKit> patarr, for Sailfish, there is also in-progress open-source solution called sfdroid, but basically it's running Android (CyanogenMod) alongside Sailfish in it's current state
[14:55] <sotrhraven> I have some questions. any one here put ut on a nook hd+
[15:00] <patarr> The part I don't understand is why go with that proprietary VM. Perhaps its possible to run android in a container like ubuntu touch and use the Dalvik VM that is standard on Android?
[15:02] <dobey> patarr: if you want answers for questions about sailfish, this is probably not the best place to get them. ask jolla why they did what they did in sailfish
[15:02] <dobey> as for ubuntu, no it's not that simple
[15:03] <AngelXenial>  sorry i missing IMEI on bq e4.5  is possible reset IMEI
[15:07] <dobey> AngelXenial: you have to use the bq tools for that. you need to talk to bq support
[15:08] <AngelXenial> ok dobey
[15:16] <patarr> Well, thank you all for the information.
[15:20] <ogra_> patarr, i think there was some project from KDE to produce a free variant
[15:20] <ogra_> why sailfish chose aliendalvik i dont know ... probably the simple lack of other options that work :)
[15:21] <faenil> patarr: that is already possible, see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM0UMfgAtqI
[15:21] <faenil> and ogra_ if interested :D ^
[15:22] <faenil> that is the "community" version of the android runtime
[20:51] <ut34> Hi everyone... I'm wondering, does anyone use UT on a Nexus 5?
[20:52] <ut34> I guess im wondering if its stable enough to use and completely ditch android?
[20:54] <dobey> depends on what features/apps you need really
[20:56] <ut34> well I noticed that bluetooth isnt working, I dont use BT too often so no big deal, but I guess I'm wondering in terms of battery life and if there are any other concerns?
[20:56] <ut34> in terms of apps, i really dont use many/any other than email, sms, cameras, web browser..
[20:58] <dobey> i think there are some issues with camera flash and such still
[20:58] <dobey> battery life is pretty decent now i think
[21:00] <ut34> ok not a big deal.. does this update using apt? so when updates come I can use whatever is built in or does it need to be re-flashed each time?
[21:00] <mcphail> ut34: the OS isn't really ready to replace Android for most people yet, imho
[21:01] <ut34> mcphail; yes most people i'd agree, i'm comfortable with linux, servers, etc so if there are issues it wouldnt bother me..
[21:02] <dobey> ut34: no, it doesn't update using apt
[21:03] <dobey> ut34: but it does have an OTA update mechanism
[21:03] <learnbsd> hmm since there's people here any of you actually manage to get ubuntu touch to boot on the nexus 5
[21:03] <dobey> learnbsd: yes, you need to use the rc-proposed channel from ubports, not any of the devel channels
[21:03] <mcphail> ut34: I've been using it on a supported device for nearly 18 months. It is rough at times. NetworkManager is clearly not fit for purpose, and I'm having pulseaudio issues at times. I may switch back to android soon
[21:04] <learnbsd> i think i was doing the stable..i'll try rc-proposed though
[21:04] <learnbsd> give me a few min to run home and grab the phnoe
[21:04] <dobey> learnbsd: if your phone has android 6+ on it, you will need to reflash to the last android 4.4 image before flashing ubuntu on
[21:05] <ut34> mcphail; gotcha. does that affect all devices or just the particular one you may have?
[21:05] <mcphail> ut34: I think the networkmanager problems are ubiquitous. Not a major issue, but switching from 3g to wifi has always been a pain
[21:06] <dobey> ut34: there's also an issue on the nexus 5 with the content sharing feature which prevents sharing pictures in SMS, web, etc...
[21:06] <mcphail> ut34: lots of features of the OS are very nice though. I prefer the UI to android
[21:06] <learnbsd> dobey: ok..i also couldn't get my nexus 4 to boot either..i'll try the nexus 5 first..i'll grab latest 4.4 and then ub touch rc-proposed.
[21:07] <mcphail> ut34: and the development process is much better
[21:07] <dobey> my nexus 4 works fine. again, make sure you are on stable or rc-proposed for it and not trying to use any of the devel* channels
[21:07] <ut34> dobey; thats ok, features I could live without :) I just really want linux in my pocket.
[21:07] <learnbsd> yeah i was on stable for both :/
[21:08] <dobey> ut34: well, sounds like you've already got that :)
[21:08] <learnbsd> specific radio i should use for them or just 4.4 ?
[21:08] <dobey> learnbsd: whatever the last 4.4 image was should do
[21:09] <learnbsd> ok thanks...i think this is the first time i've said something in here and gotten a response :)
[21:09] <ut34> mcphail: yeah it looks very nice, i think i'll just give it a shot and see how it goes, my phone needs a wipe anyway. I imagine all the apps generally work better anyway as most linux stuff does
[21:10] <ut34> dobey: lol android? i really dont feel like its the same thing at all. I'd take UT anyday over google
[21:11] <mcphail> ut34: It is certainly worth a try. Hope you enjoy it and submit lots of bug reports to help make it better ;)
[21:11] <dobey> ut34: "linux" is just a kernel, and android is a distribution of an OS built on top of that kernel
[21:11] <ut34> dobey: of course :)
[21:11] <dobey> learnbsd: i'm pretty sure i responded to you before
[21:11] <dobey> ut34: so i guess you want more than just linux in your pocket :)
[21:13] <learnbsd> dobey: hmm maybe i just missed it :/  either way grabbing 4.4 for hammerhead now and will hopefully get it to work
[21:16] <dobey> anyway, gotta go now. good luck
[21:20] <ut34> dobey: yes a little more than linux :) but thanks for all the input!
[22:06] <Acou_Bass> mcphail_: im sorry to be 'that guy', just curious about your network manager issues - ive never had any problems going from 3g-wifi, its instant and automatic for me ;0