| dobey | please fix your connection | 01:05 |
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| kirkins | hi all | 02:13 |
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| gabriel_awe | Hi! Best phone to try out the UTouch? | 06:52 |
| krowv | gabriel_awe: Nexus 4. Cheap, easy to find, easy to load Ubuntu on. | 07:15 |
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| gabriel_awe | krowv: thanx | 07:22 |
| krowv | gabriel_awe: np. good luck. | 07:31 |
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| brunch875 | guys the new alt-tab on the phone looks -fantastic- | 14:20 |
| brunch875 | I tried the three fingers thing but it wouldn't work on the e4.5 | 14:21 |
| brunch875 | is there anything new I should try? | 14:21 |
| davmor2 | brunch875: sidestage is still screen size dependant I believe | 14:22 |
| brunch875 | yeah, I thought so | 14:23 |
| brunch875 | I noticed how the name of the applications show up there like in unity7 | 14:23 |
| brunch875 | I take it there's going to be a context menu :) | 14:23 |
| r0kk3rz | Hi, does anyone know how the sensors work in ubuntu touch? is there some kind of service that reads them? | 14:25 |
| r0kk3rz | usensord doesnt seem to have much in it | 14:25 |
| MCMic | brunch875: What is the new alt-tab stuff? | 14:26 |
| brunch875 | MCMic: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/10/new-video-shows-changes-headed-unity-8 | 14:27 |
| brunch875 | I had it recently land on my device, I'm on rc-proposed | 14:28 |
| MCMic | brunch875: thanks | 14:29 |
| dobey | r0kk3rz: the qt sensors api is how apps get access to them | 14:30 |
| r0kk3rz | dobey: obviously, but qtsensors needs a backend | 14:30 |
| dobey | r0kk3rz: the drivers and such are all in the anroid container, which the ubuntu side talks to via libhybris | 14:31 |
| r0kk3rz | yep, and theres a bit in the middle that needs connecting | 14:31 |
| r0kk3rz | from the android sensor HAL to qt | 14:31 |
| r0kk3rz | in sailfish we have a daemon called sensorfwd that does this job | 14:31 |
| dobey | yes, we have a QPA which talks to libhybris | 14:32 |
| r0kk3rz | afaik thats mostly graphics stuff | 14:34 |
| r0kk3rz | im not seeing anything sensory in here https://launchpad.net/qtubuntu | 14:39 |
| r0kk3rz | is there somewhere else i should be looking? | 14:39 |
| pmcgowan | there is qtubuntu-sensors which talks to platform api | 14:41 |
| pmcgowan | usensord is a bit misnamed as its only vibration control | 14:41 |
| pmcgowan | r0kk3rz, ^ | 14:42 |
| faenil | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/qtubuntu-sensors/trunk/files/head:/plugins/ | 14:43 |
| r0kk3rz | ill take a look through this one, thanks guys | 14:43 |
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| r0kk3rz | where might the code for this live? <ubuntu/application/sensors/accelerometer.h> | 14:52 |
| pmcgowan | r0kk3rz, that is in the platform-api project | 14:56 |
| pmcgowan | https://code.launchpad.net/platform-api | 14:56 |
| r0kk3rz | cool thanks | 14:56 |
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| TheKit | how Wi-Fi is set up on Aquaris Tablet in terms of hardware adaptation/MediaTek? | 16:06 |
| Nyxus | Does anyone know if the Meizu Pro 5 64GB/4GB Ram model is support? | 16:39 |
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| learnbsd | Nyxus: i think so...didn't they ship that with ub touch on it? | 17:00 |
| Nyxus | learnbsd its was the the 32gb/3gb version | 17:05 |
| Nyxus | was just wondering if there was any problems | 17:05 |
| rbasak | Does anyone know something about a dead wifi system settings screen, a missing network indicator, and an empty "indicator-network" tab in the top edge menu? | 17:10 |
| rbasak | This reproduces on my Aquaris 4.5 even after reboot. I can't touch wifi settings any more. | 17:10 |
| rbasak | It's completely broken. Related might be that I was trying to use the hotspot facility the other day and that just stopped working too. | 17:10 |
| rbasak | During that time I was getting hard resets as well as Unity restarts. | 17:11 |
| rbasak | It seems very buggy since the last OTA. | 17:11 |
| rbasak | /home has 1.3G free and / has 232M free. | 17:11 |
| rbasak | Any suggestions on what to look for? | 17:11 |
| learnbsd | rbasak: i have no wifi either so not just you. | 17:12 |
| rbasak | I'm happy to help debug. I have sshd running and working so can poke around. Just not sure where to look. | 17:12 |
| rbasak | learnbsd: thanks | 17:12 |
| pmcgowan | rbasak, there is a known issue with stale lock files | 17:15 |
| dobey | rbasak: maybe bug #1615474 | 17:15 |
| ubot5` | bug 1615474 in indicator-network (Ubuntu) "Network Indicator / Connectivity-API is not accessible" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1615474 | 17:15 |
| pmcgowan | that one | 17:15 |
| rbasak | Thanks! That looks likely. I'll try the workaround. | 17:16 |
| rbasak | Yes, that fixed it. Thanks again! | 17:17 |
| rbasak | I guess I ended up with the stale lock when I hit the buggy hotspot behaviour that made my phone crash. | 17:17 |
| pmcgowan | yeah thats an awful bug | 17:17 |
| rbasak | pmcgowan: the bug isn't tagged regression-release or anything. Is there any place you gather known OTA regression type bugs that I can check when I hit issues next time, please? | 17:18 |
| rbasak | I do love the battery life on this phone BTW. "Last charged 91 hours ago" | 17:19 |
| pmcgowan | rbasak, the lock file issue is not really a regression, unless you mean the hotspot issue? | 17:20 |
| rbasak | Fair enough. I do feel that Unity is less stable this OTA though. It's crashed a whole bunch of times on me. And the browser app has too, sometimes making it impossible to restart without a reboot. It feels like a memory leak or corruption in Unity to me (though that's just speculation). | 17:22 |
| rbasak | I feel that's an OTA regression, but I don't really know where to look for a bug there. | 17:23 |
| pmcgowan | hmm let me check the reports, we just fixed a browser crash | 17:24 |
| rbasak | I feel that my issue is wider than a browser crash, because I've also seen Unity disappear at random times. Sometimes it restarts itself (so I see the moving dots and then it's as if I've just rebooted, but quicker). | 17:25 |
| rbasak | And the phone app display is sometimes broken, which I notice when I try to hang up an incoming call (as I never look at the phone app itself when receiving a call) | 17:26 |
| rbasak | So that's why I suspect a memory leak or unity issue. | 17:26 |
| pmcgowan | the oom could be shooting them but shouldnt | 17:26 |
| pmcgowan | rbasak, what is your device | 17:27 |
| rbasak | Aquaris 4.5. | 17:27 |
| rbasak | The hotspot thing I feel may be separate. IIRC, I only got hard reboots when trying to get the hotspot going. At that time I kept switching network (for various unrelated reasons) so I was probably pushing against a race. I presume that's what caused my stale lock. | 17:29 |
| rbasak | But the general unstability I feel has happened since the last OTA and possibly unrelated to the hotspot and the missing network indicator. | 17:29 |
| dobey | something is probably eating your ram | 17:30 |
| rbasak | That's what I suspected. | 17:30 |
| dobey | with only 1 GB total, there really isn't much to go around, so it's not unfathomable that the OOM killer might be getting hit a fair bit on a phone where you use many apps | 17:30 |
| rbasak | Hmm | 17:31 |
| rbasak | indicator-datetime | 17:31 |
| rbasak | 315892 RSS. | 17:31 |
| rbasak | Espected? | 17:31 |
| rbasak | unit8 is 110048 | 17:31 |
| rbasak | unity8 | 17:31 |
| dobey | do you have a whole bunch of alarms | 17:31 |
| dobey | and/or events? | 17:32 |
| rbasak | Probably many events, as it's syncing my calendar. | 17:32 |
| rbasak | Not many alarms. Perhaps 4. | 17:32 |
| dobey | unity8 may not be the unity8 process you are looking for | 17:32 |
| rbasak | I'm sorting by highest RSS :) | 17:32 |
| rbasak | It seems unreasonable for indicator-datetime to be using so much RAM to hold my events. If that's a problem, it should keep them on disk. | 17:33 |
| rbasak | Is there a bug for that? | 17:33 |
| dobey | right. i just mean there are multiple things that are "unity8" so depending on what's actually getting killed that process may or may not be it | 17:33 |
| dobey | i don't know | 17:34 |
| dobey | it might not be indicator-datetime itself, but the e-d-s libs. hard to say without hard data | 17:34 |
| dobey | indicator-datetime isn't using that much RAM on my workstation though | 17:35 |
| rbasak | There's bug 1342123 | 17:35 |
| ubot5` | bug 1342123 in indicator-datetime (Ubuntu) "evolution-calendar-factory always running with high memory usage" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1342123 | 17:35 |
| rbasak | But my evolution-calendar-factory process isn't actually so bad compared to indicator-datetime itself. | 17:35 |
| rbasak | I wonder if I should reboot to see if it's a leak. | 17:36 |
| rbasak | (though then why would it be RSS?) | 17:36 |
| dobey | yeah, evolution-calendar-facotry on my workstation is using ~165 MB RSS | 17:36 |
| rbasak | Mine is 35816 only (!) | 17:36 |
| dobey | why would a leak not be RSS? | 17:36 |
| rbasak | I'd expect it to get swapped out as it would be unused. | 17:38 |
| dobey | well if it's a leak it's probably "used" | 17:39 |
| dobey | even if it's not | 17:39 |
| dobey | and i don't think there is a disk swap on the phone anyway | 17:39 |
| rbasak | In a normal leak, the program forgets about the memory. The kernel then eventually swaps it out. | 17:39 |
| rbasak | My phone has: | 17:39 |
| rbasak | Swap: 524284 210748 313536 | 17:39 |
| rbasak | If indicator-datetime consistently uses high RSS, I'll file a bug. I'll keep an eye on it. | 17:40 |
| dobey | well i would expect a leak on the stack to show up as RSS (always has in my experience anyway) | 17:41 |
| rbasak | Ah. I was thinking heap. | 17:41 |
| rbasak | Stacks don't normally leak. How would they without crashing? | 17:41 |
| rbasak | Anyway, I should go. Thank you for the help :) | 17:42 |
| dobey | cheers | 17:42 |
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| lpotter | r0kk3rz: sensors are read by android SensorManager->platform-api->qtubuntu->qtsensors | 18:56 |
| r0kk3rz | lpotter: the device im working on doesnt seem to need sensormanager, which is a bit weird | 19:11 |
| lpotter | if it's android, it does | 19:13 |
| r0kk3rz | at least, the service doesnt appear to be running under android os | 19:13 |
| lpotter | they may have forked and renamed it perhaps | 19:14 |
| lpotter | what device? | 19:14 |
| r0kk3rz | its a sony z3 compact tablet, but we're having the same problem on all sony devices of that era | 19:16 |
| r0kk3rz | like the z2/z3 phone | 19:17 |
| r0kk3rz | the android sensor HAL returns 0 sensors | 19:17 |
| lpotter | might be permissions issue? | 19:19 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah possibly, but ive been looking for any perms issues and come up empty so far | 19:22 |
| lpotter | could try finding the sensors devnodes and lsof to see who is using them. | 19:24 |
| lpotter | bit offtopic for this channel though | 19:25 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah thats not a bad idea | 19:27 |
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