| m0nkey_ | Who's a good e-mail hosting provider? Obviously Fastmail, but looking for others. | 01:58 |
|---|---|---|
| m0nkey_ | And no, I'm not hosting it myself. I don't need to deal with that anymore. | 01:58 |
| daftykins | g suite :> | 01:58 |
| m0nkey_ | There is that. | 01:59 |
| diddledan_ | what time do apple do their thing tomorrow? | 02:02 |
| diddledan_ | m0nkey_: you could also use office365 in place of gsuite if you fancy avoiding google | 02:03 |
| daftykins | i was gonna look that up | 02:04 |
| zmoylan-pi | apple usually announce 1800 or so | 02:04 |
| daftykins | 6pm | 02:04 |
| zmoylan-pi | 10am pst | 02:04 |
| daftykins | yip | 02:04 |
| diddledan_ | ta | 02:05 |
| daftykins | i guess that answers when we 4 shall meet again ;) | 02:05 |
| zmoylan-pi | but the vim hit squad will be protesting the launch of a laptop with no esc key so expect delays :-) | 02:05 |
| daftykins | m0nkey_: you're invited to watch along and rip into Apple since you are the replacement Shauno! | 02:06 |
| diddledan_ | I tried running emacs several years ago. it's probably still running somewhere because I couldn't figure out how to quit | 02:06 |
| zmoylan-pi | it's probably still loading... | 02:06 |
| diddledan_ | apparently it's possible to run emacs inside emacs for when you're in emacs and you really need to be using emacs | 02:07 |
| daftykins | if you draw an 'e' on two apple machines does that also machine it's *on* emacs? | 02:07 |
| zmoylan-pi | it's emacs all the way down | 02:07 |
| daftykins | emaception | 02:08 |
| m0nkey_ | What happened to Shauno? And why am I his replacement? | 02:08 |
| zmoylan-pi | shauno had a shitty day and rage quitted when i made a joke about his love of all things apple | 02:09 |
| diddledan_ | m0nkey_: you're his replacement because you're active this time of day :-p | 02:09 |
| daftykins | he was quite one with the cult | 02:09 |
| diddledan_ | it was probably a joke about the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil | 02:09 |
| diddledan_ | of the tree of knowledge** | 02:09 |
| * m0nkey_ has quit (Quit: GOD DAMNIT, I EFFIN LOVE APPLE!!!!!!1) | 02:10 | |
| m0nkey_ | :) | 02:10 |
| diddledan_ | NOOOOOOOooooooooo.......... | 02:10 |
| diddledan_ | (the .s are small o's) | 02:10 |
| zmoylan-pi | i don't think it was helped as he was getting a weird apple bug that day | 02:10 |
| daftykins | i thought it was zmoylan-pi's line that he ragequit on anywho | 02:10 |
| m0nkey_ | I'm not quite prepared to rage quit yet. | 02:10 |
| zmoylan-pi | wait till you see the new laptop has no ports whatsoever... | 02:11 |
| daftykins | seems it's gonna have 4 x USB C which makes it pretty useless | 02:11 |
| m0nkey_ | I hear you just throw it in the trash when the battery runs out | 02:11 |
| m0nkey_ | Then buy a new one | 02:11 |
| daftykins | lol | 02:11 |
| daftykins | genius | 02:11 |
| daftykins | apple aside, shauno was a good fella though :< | 02:12 |
| m0nkey_ | I've tried selling my MBA, but no bugger wants to take it off my hands. | 02:12 |
| daftykins | m0nkey_: presumably you might be doing something at 6pm blighty time though? | 02:12 |
| diddledan_ | someone is gonna invent a qi-charging laptop that requires you to place a mat on your lap and the laptop on top of the mat to charge it | 02:12 |
| daftykins | that's gonna be a warm lap | 02:12 |
| m0nkey_ | daftykins, that'll be around 1pm | 02:12 |
| zmoylan-pi | they'll now gradually have fewer and fewer buttons on them and maybe lose the hinge and finally charge a few grand for a fragile etch-a-sketch | 02:12 |
| m0nkey_ | I'll be at work | 02:12 |
| daftykins | yeah, you need to work then? | 02:12 |
| daftykins | d'aww | 02:12 |
| m0nkey_ | Meh, I'll just stream it. | 02:13 |
| m0nkey_ | Office bandwidth can deal with it. | 02:13 |
| m0nkey_ | Plus my interwebs is unfiltered. | 02:13 |
| diddledan_ | zmoylan-pi: don't they already have one of those? i.e. the iPad | 02:13 |
| daftykins | you have to be on supported tech to watch XD | 02:13 |
| zmoylan-pi | i'll wait till i see what the news is pop up in my rss reader.. | 02:13 |
| daftykins | it usually prompts about 500 articles on mine | 02:13 |
| diddledan_ | ms edge is supported strangely | 02:13 |
| diddledan_ | but chrome isn't | 02:13 |
| daftykins | ja | 02:13 |
| zmoylan-pi | but the ipad has no twiddly knobs on the front... the mac book pro 2020 will be an etch-a-sketch | 02:13 |
| m0nkey_ | The whole office is behind a Websense filter. Expect for a few IP addresses, which I got approval for, are not :) | 02:13 |
| diddledan_ | ooh, twiddly knobs sound fun | 02:14 |
| m0nkey_ | It helps to know the top network guys ;) | 02:14 |
| zmoylan-pi | like the twiddly knob on the new surface studio thing | 02:14 |
| diddledan_ | that one you can take-off and walk away with it | 02:15 |
| zmoylan-pi | i do see them going missing or running out of a charge when really needed alright | 02:15 |
| daftykins | my friend in Houston works for a big software dev firm, they just took away the public use side wifi network SSID so they can't put their phones online anymore - AND cut all their patch leads so all their work machines are on wifi - insane. | 02:15 |
| diddledan_ | wat | 02:15 |
| daftykins | you only get it if you preorder and wait 'til 2017 i saw XD | 02:16 |
| zmoylan-pi | that sounds like a management decision... | 02:16 |
| daftykins | full on manglement yeah | 02:16 |
| * zmoylan-pi wonders how slow their network is now | 02:16 | |
| diddledan_ | here's a good idea: take a cruddy 802.11g router and put 1500 computers on the wifi | 02:16 |
| diddledan_ | that sounds horrendus | 02:17 |
| zmoylan-pi | 2-3 reboots a day and you're golden | 02:17 |
| daftykins | thing is her team of ~5 are working on performance testing their Azure setup... :) | 02:17 |
| diddledan_ | hah | 02:17 |
| diddledan_ | good luck with that | 02:17 |
| daftykins | apparently their tubes did 360Mb before on wired and is now down to 60Mb | 02:17 |
| diddledan_ | "is the server slow or is it just us?" | 02:17 |
| diddledan_ | \o/ | 02:17 |
| zmoylan-pi | mind i held onto a 286 for testing programmes on into pentium desktop territory so my code ran fast | 02:17 |
| daftykins | seems to me like the equivalent of telling a plumber they can't work with liquids anymore | 02:18 |
| zmoylan-pi | someone should attach the slowest oldest device they have to the wifi network to make that sucker crawl | 02:27 |
| daftykins | meh, dual-band now :P | 02:28 |
| diddledan_ | get an 802.11b device on there :-D | 02:28 |
| daftykins | triple band already being sold in fact | 02:28 |
| diddledan_ | aww | 02:28 |
| diddledan_ | no fair | 02:28 |
| zmoylan-pi | i'm sure someone has made a gizmo that will clog up the wifi bandwidth... intentionally or unintentionally | 02:30 |
| daftykins | client phoned me up from Spain before, told me he was using the older ADSL service on the sketchy phone line that drops out often | 02:31 |
| m0nkey_ | OK, I'm out guys. | 02:31 |
| daftykins | i asked why 1) that hadn't been cancelled a few months back like we intended and 2) why he wasn't just using the fast service he pays for | 02:31 |
| daftykins | nn m0nkey_ \o | 02:32 |
| zmoylan-pi | o/ | 02:32 |
| diddledan_ | `\o/` | 02:33 |
| diddledan_ | ¯\o/¯ | 02:34 |
| daftykins | ooh are those pom poms diddledan_ ? | 02:34 |
| diddledan_ | there we go | 02:34 |
| diddledan_ | ˙\o/˙ | 02:36 |
| diddledan_ | pompoms there maybe? | 02:36 |
| diddledan_ | mac vulcan-keypresses can get funky letters | 02:36 |
| daftykins | i kinda expected a mac vulcan keypress to engage sleep :D | 02:38 |
| zmoylan-pi | *\o/* would be poms poms | 02:39 |
| diddledan_ | or ninja stars | 02:40 |
| daftykins | well since the macbook repair i characterise diddledan_ as poor you see, so the pom poms have shrunk | 02:40 |
| daftykins | (totally not a stretch explanation) | 02:40 |
| diddledan_ | think I'm gonna hit the hay too | 02:43 |
| zmoylan-pi | o/ | 02:44 |
| daftykins | yep sounds about that time | 02:44 |
| brobostigon | morning boys and girls. | 06:18 |
| diplo | Morning all | 08:53 |
| === layke is now known as Guest99576 | ||
| === brmbrmca1 is now known as brmbrmcar | ||
| foobarry | does anyone use remarkable markdown editor? | 10:43 |
| foobarry | preview window does not scroll with editing text, and jumps to top of screen always | 10:43 |
| popey | i use atom | 10:53 |
| foobarry | i appear to have that installed | 10:53 |
| foobarry | too | 10:53 |
| popey | it has a nice side-by-side markdown editor | 10:54 |
| foobarry | how do i turn on preview mode? | 10:54 |
| foobarry | in the side pane | 10:54 |
| popey | ctrl+shift+m | 10:55 |
| foobarry | ta | 10:55 |
| foobarry | shame, since remarkable is actually nicer for simple stuff | 10:56 |
| foobarry | https://github.com/jamiemcg/Remarkable/issues/25 | 10:58 |
| SuperMatt | Gnome Builder can also show you markdown | 11:01 |
| diddledan_ | markdown ftw | 11:03 |
| diddledan_ | morning | 11:03 |
| * diddledan_ wanders off to find a jumper | 11:22 | |
| foobarry | is mycroft out yet? | 12:49 |
| foobarry | ah, minimum 4 weeks away | 12:52 |
| popey | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFyyeRESXTE need to be able to do that with it | 12:53 |
| foobarry | sigh. new kernel (dirtycow fix) fails to resume from suspend | 13:01 |
| foobarry | i just had to type apt install yum | 13:03 |
| foobarry | feel sad now | 13:03 |
| SuperMatt | I wish I had such options! | 13:04 |
| * SuperMatt curses being forced to use a mac for work | 13:04 | |
| foobarry | my colleague resigned and had a new job lined up | 13:04 |
| foobarry | foudn out at last min he would be using a mac. withdrew his resignation | 13:04 |
| SuperMatt | that's a bit extreme | 13:05 |
| SuperMatt | It took a couple of days, but my mac is acting more gnome like these days | 13:05 |
| Gargoyle | SuperMatt, New mac or old mac? | 13:05 |
| Gargoyle | You could always sneak ubuntu onto it! :P | 13:06 |
| popey | hahah, that's a bit mental | 13:08 |
| foobarry | i would feel the same. its a symptom of enforced working procedures when you are used to your own workflows and bashrc and vimrc etc | 13:09 |
| foobarry | next thing u have to load a windows VM to access the HR website and you hate your life | 13:09 |
| popey | I quite like that we get laptop budget and you choose whatever you want | 13:11 |
| popey | some people buy macs and run ubuntu in a vm, others use the money for house improvements and just keep their 6 year old laptop :) | 13:11 |
| TwistedLucidity | popey: That almost reads like it should be treated more as a benefit in kind. | 13:14 |
| popey | i waited for over a year before choosing to get a second hand thinkpad :) | 13:14 |
| popey | I can't recall how much it is, but it's more than enough to buy a decent laptop | 13:15 |
| popey | just most people don't | 13:15 |
| * TwistedLucidity gets given corporate kit, with the corporate install, corporate control, corporate issues... | 13:15 | |
| popey | pocket the difference I guess. | 13:15 |
| popey | yeah, i used to be there. never really had a crap laptop from work back then... although there was one fujitsu I had for a while which was pretty bad | 13:15 |
| TwistedLucidity | "Your PC will now reboot" NO NO NO I'm mid-compile! Noooooooooooooooooooooooo! | 13:16 |
| popey | got replaced when the encrypted windows install went bad | 13:16 |
| popey | oh, yeah, don't miss that | 13:16 |
| popey | although, with latest snappy install.... | 13:17 |
| popey | reboot scheduled to update the system - temporarily cancel with 'sudo shutdown -c' | 13:17 |
| popey | The system is going down for reboot NOW! | 13:17 |
| popey | kaboom | 13:17 |
| foobarry | do i need an invite to join a paticular slack channel? | 13:17 |
| popey | yes | 13:17 |
| foobarry | sigh | 13:17 |
| foobarry | irc for hipsters | 13:17 |
| popey | unless you have an email address in their whitelisted domains | 13:17 |
| zmoylan-pi | oooooh, talking about slack on irc... that's just sad... :-) | 13:17 |
| popey | e.g. for the ubuntu slack, it's @ubuntu.com or @canonical.com which are whitelisted | 13:18 |
| TwistedLucidity | Anyone seen error like this at the end of "apt update"? E: Unable to change to (unreachable)/folder/ - chdir (2: No such file or directory) | 13:19 |
| popey | erk | 13:20 |
| popey | no | 13:20 |
| foobarry | checked your sources list for errors? | 13:20 |
| TwistedLucidity | Got one server that does it all the bloody time. Works fine if I run from root | 13:20 |
| popey | broken /var | 13:20 |
| foobarry | ls sources.list.d | 13:20 |
| popey | or maybe you're running apt in a directory that just got deleted ? | 13:20 |
| TwistedLucidity | Nope. Does it all the time if you are not in / | 13:21 |
| TwistedLucidity | I've read a few questions about it, but neve found an answer. | 13:21 |
| TwistedLucidity | "broken /var"? | 13:21 |
| TwistedLucidity | /etc/apt/sources.list.d looks fine, only one entry | 13:23 |
| foobarry | and sources.list? | 13:25 |
| Gargoyle | Does "apt-get" do the same? | 13:27 |
| TwistedLucidity | Yeah, pretty sure. Upgrades running just now.... | 13:28 |
| TwistedLucidity | That's weird, why the heck is it listing Trusty? | 13:30 |
| TwistedLucidity | Ach, haven't moved that one to Xenial yet; that's why. It's been doing this for an age though. | 13:31 |
| diddledan_ | TwistedLucidity: do you maybe have a local (on your disk) apt repo configured with a relative path? | 14:55 |
| TwistedLucidity | It's possible, diddledan_, this server has been futzed around with since 12.04. How would I check? | 14:56 |
| diddledan_ | TwistedLucidity: in your sources.list and sources.list.d/*.list | 14:56 |
| TwistedLucidity | /etc/apt/sources.list is all "deb http://..." | 14:57 |
| diddledan_ | hmm | 14:57 |
| diddledan_ | those won't be local then :-p | 14:57 |
| TwistedLucidity | /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ only has emby and I'm pretty sure that's fine | 14:57 |
| diddledan_ | really odd | 14:57 |
| TwistedLucidity | Aye, it's fine. | 14:57 |
| TwistedLucidity | Started in 13.10 I think; just never managed to solve it | 14:58 |
| diddledan_ | maybe some config elsewhere is wonky. try looking through the other apt config files for relative paths | 14:58 |
| diddledan_ | most likely candidates are in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d I believe | 14:59 |
| TwistedLucidity | diddledan_: Ta. | 15:11 |
| diddledan_ | daftykins: you here yet? 30 minutes till expensive shiny | 16:29 |
| diddledan_ | zmoylan-pi: and you! | 16:29 |
| daftykins | hi! | 16:40 |
| daftykins | just did a last minute M&S dash, left the house at about 5:12pm and got some shopping in before 5:30 closing ;) | 16:40 |
| diddledan_ | \o/ | 16:41 |
| daftykins | and their android pay machines were working again \o/ | 16:41 |
| diddledan_ | MS business prices rising by 22%?! (listening to the ubupodcast) | 16:44 |
| diddledan_ | the broadcast is up with beats1 music holding img | 16:50 |
| diddledan_ | image* | 16:50 |
| daftykins | yeah it's beginning to get annoying using your currency :P | 16:53 |
| diddledan_ | use euros :-p | 16:54 |
| diddledan_ | you're lucky like that | 16:54 |
| daftykins | naw can't | 16:54 |
| Laney | nice sky tonight | 16:55 |
| Laney | woah | 16:55 |
| diddledan_ | cloudy here :-( | 16:55 |
| Laney | just as I typed that someone at the top of the hill let off a firework | 16:55 |
| daftykins | o0 | 16:55 |
| Laney | it's not really dark enough for that ... | 16:55 |
| diddledan_ | oh golly, it's that time of year again.. I forgot all about htat | 16:55 |
| daftykins | me too :( | 16:55 |
| diddledan_ | how many weeks will we have to suffer? | 16:56 |
| Laney | bah humbug! | 16:56 |
| diddledan_ | I like minty humbugs! | 16:57 |
| daftykins | mmm i just tried crumpets with nutella on | 16:58 |
| diddledan_ | :-o | 16:59 |
| daftykins | it begins | 17:03 |
| daftykins | ok here comes the numbers and self congratulatory rubbish... :P | 17:04 |
| diddledan_ | yey, it's the adjective we're ever verbed | 17:07 |
| diddledan_ | we've* | 17:08 |
| daftykins | so easy to quote review sites when you ban the unbiased ones from doing any :D | 17:08 |
| selinuxium | hi all | 17:11 |
| daftykins | lo | 17:11 |
| diddledan_ | ooh, new tv | 17:11 |
| diddledan_ | that wasn't rumoured | 17:11 |
| daftykins | yeah you're slightly ahead already :P | 17:12 |
| diddledan_ | lol | 17:12 |
| daftykins | only about 5 secs | 17:12 |
| diddledan_ | are you getting occasional buffering? | 17:12 |
| daftykins | nope al smooth | 17:12 |
| daftykins | +l | 17:12 |
| diddledan_ | odd that you're behind otherwise | 17:12 |
| selinuxium | Anyone else here had problems with snappy/ubuntu single sign on? | 17:12 |
| diddledan_ | wat. minecrack?! | 17:13 |
| daftykins | selinuxium: best to take it to #ubuntu if you want support right now | 17:13 |
| diddledan_ | really need to see finding dory! | 17:13 |
| diddledan_ | I love pixar | 17:13 |
| diddledan_ | I'm a butch manly man, obviously | 17:14 |
| selinuxium | I will. I just land here... Was interested, that's all. | 17:14 |
| daftykins | yeah, just steering you to the relevant spot :P | 17:14 |
| selinuxium | Gettting over surgery and thought I could take the time to 'up skill'.. | 17:15 |
| daftykins | sounds like a plan | 17:15 |
| selinuxium | Since when is learning something up skilling? | 17:15 |
| daftykins | err you seem to be arguing with yourself there | 17:16 |
| selinuxium | </rant> | 17:16 |
| daftykins | diddledan_: dunno about you but this is all useless XD | 17:16 |
| selinuxium | Something I have come used to... | 17:16 |
| selinuxium | Finding Dory is great :) | 17:16 |
| daftykins | twitter crap though | 17:16 |
| diddledan_ | the ONE place!! | 17:17 |
| daftykins | their boxes are always underpowered rubbish | 17:17 |
| diddledan_ | I predicted that name before he got to it | 17:17 |
| daftykins | :P | 17:18 |
| daftykins | i bet you said 'iTV' | 17:18 |
| diddledan_ | wonder if it'll work with plex | 17:19 |
| daftykins | haha | 17:19 |
| === brmbrmca1 is now known as brmbrmcar | ||
| diddledan_ | will it also integrate with my automated piracy system? | 17:19 |
| daftykins | ...your fingers? | 17:27 |
| diddledan_ | no new tv hardware then | 17:27 |
| daftykins | yep, 4th gen can't even do 4K | 17:29 |
| daftykins | ruh roh freenodelag | 17:29 |
| diddledan_ | not scrimping on the superlatives then | 17:32 |
| daftykins | some very bold claims there | 17:32 |
| daftykins | yep it really is USB C only! XD | 17:33 |
| daftykins | idiots++ | 17:33 |
| diddledan_ | the adjective we've ever verbed! | 17:33 |
| * zmoylan-1i wanders in after a nice walk to shops | 17:33 | |
| === zmoylan-1i is now known as zmoylan-pi | ||
| daftykins | :> welcome back sir | 17:34 |
| daftykins | you're just in time for the new stupid macs with USB C ports only | 17:34 |
| zmoylan-pi | and no rs232c?! :-D | 17:34 |
| daftykins | not even one! | 17:35 |
| diddledan_ | that's a huge trackpad | 17:35 |
| zmoylan-pi | and me with a good solid 9600baud fax modem that needs supporting | 17:35 |
| diddledan_ | the adjective we've ever verbed! | 17:36 |
| daftykins | no it doesn't ;) | 17:36 |
| daftykins | Art Lebedev wanted to do this years ago with that OLED keyboard | 17:39 |
| daftykins | folks are going to need to learn to be like fighter pilots, operating their eyes independantly to have one look at each display... | 17:40 |
| zmoylan-pi | in the 90s i thought touchscreens were the wave of the future for keyboards and general input... then i started to use them for point of sales systems... | 17:40 |
| daftykins | that must've been the early resistive tech though? :> | 17:40 |
| zmoylan-pi | think of the malware that makes the esc button a send credit card info button... | 17:40 |
| zmoylan-pi | the really early touch screens were adapters for crts with you breaking the beam in a surrounding bezel. made it easier as you weren't touching electronics or plastics, just solid glass which would need to be wiped clean a few times per day | 17:42 |
| diddledan_ | zmoylan-pi: before those they had gimbals to mount the monitor onto which measured how much the monitor rocks and in which direction to calculate the position of touch | 17:43 |
| zmoylan-pi | had those too... just a little calibration software when you moved it to a new location and they were grand | 17:44 |
| daftykins | when did emoji become so relevant? o0 | 17:44 |
| zmoylan-pi | when the egyptians build their pyramids | 17:44 |
| zmoylan-pi | urinating dog urinating dog | 17:44 |
| daftykins | he didn't even command+tab between apps :( | 17:44 |
| daftykins | diddledan_: i've been all these places :D | 17:46 |
| daftykins | Coit tower there in SF | 17:46 |
| diddledan_ | the adjective we've ever verbed! | 17:50 |
| daftykins | ;] | 17:50 |
| diddledan_ | the adjective we've ever verbed! | 17:50 |
| diddledan_ | the adjective we've ever verbed! | 17:53 |
| daftykins | and yet all these are using last gen skylake | 17:53 |
| daftykins | £59.99 cable ;) | 17:55 |
| zmoylan-pi | and with the way the pound is going it'll be double that if you wait till december... | 17:57 |
| davmor2 | can someone please slap diddledan_ he seems to be stuck in a loop | 18:03 |
| daftykins | he's just enamoured with the Apple staff ;) | 18:04 |
| diddledan_ | SYNERGY! | 18:05 |
| diddledan_ | I need to capitalise on the shared synergy | 18:05 |
| daftykins | sin + energy | 18:05 |
| diddledan_ | hopefully I'll improve the return on investment and penetrate the market | 18:06 |
| davmor2 | diddledan_: you know you're allowed to use whole sentences you're note the one try to catchphrase the next apple product out the door | 18:07 |
| zmoylan-pi | whole sentences are for | 18:11 |
| diddledan_ | yey, they've got the requisite jonny ice video | 18:12 |
| diddledan_ | ive* | 18:12 |
| zmoylan-pi | they'd charge more if it was ice as he'd be so much cooler then... | 18:12 |
| daftykins | Jonny Five bit over | 18:14 |
| davmor2 | jonny five would be better :D | 18:17 |
| zmoylan-pi | at we know he's alive | 18:17 |
| zmoylan-pi | *at least we | 18:17 |
| davmor2 | Hey laser lips your momma was a snow blower | 18:17 |
| daftykins | XD | 18:18 |
| diddledan_ | and that's a wrap | 18:23 |
| diddledan_ | I almost typed warp, then | 18:23 |
| daftykins | that would be preferable | 18:24 |
| davmor2 | is it just me or did diddledan_ just say I almost time warped then :D | 18:24 |
| davmor2 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkplPbd2f60 | 18:25 |
| diddledan_ | uk prices are following the apple tradition of $1 === £1 | 18:37 |
| diddledan_ | http://www.apple.com/uk/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro/13-inch | 18:37 |
| diddledan_ | base model 1449 | 18:37 |
| diddledan_ | high-end 15inch is 2699 | 18:38 |
| zmoylan-pi | what is this the late 80s?! | 18:38 |
| diddledan_ | oh, they do a 15inch without the touch bar too | 18:39 |
| diddledan_ | that's 1899 | 18:39 |
| zmoylan-pi | what else is cut out of that spec though | 18:40 |
| * diddledan_ shrugs | 18:40 | |
| diddledan_ | oh gfx | 18:40 |
| diddledan_ | that's only got iris | 18:40 |
| diddledan_ | the 13 without the touchbar is 1249 | 18:42 |
| zmoylan-pi | already nicknamed the gropebar... | 18:43 |
| diddledan_ | oh it's confusing. they've got some old models on the same page with the new ones and there's no clear distinction which is which | 18:44 |
| diddledan_ | so I may be mistaken about some of what I just said above | 18:44 |
| davmor2 | diddledan_: Who cares we don't use MAC :P | 18:45 |
| * diddledan_ ragequits | 18:46 | |
| davmor2 | diddledan_: rage against the machine not against the quits | 18:46 |
| daftykins | omw they want 2 grand for a machine with only 8GB RAM | 18:50 |
| daftykins | (13") | 18:50 |
| diddledan_ | ooh, "now you see me 2" is released tomorrow | 18:51 |
| diddledan_ | \o/ | 18:51 |
| diddledan_ | daftykins: yeah that's sucky nuts | 18:51 |
| zmoylan-pi | people already have their orders in, in my irish linux channel... | 18:51 |
| diddledan_ | daftykins: I think I prefer the surface book at those prices | 18:51 |
| daftykins | zmoylan-pi: seriously? :P | 18:51 |
| diddledan_ | zmoylan-pi: but linux won't be able to drive the magic bar | 18:52 |
| diddledan_ | touch bar | 18:52 |
| daftykins | i thought so much more of the Irish until then! | 18:52 |
| diddledan_ | wtf | 18:52 |
| diddledan_ | h265 video takes an age to transcode | 18:53 |
| diddledan_ | as-in transcoding mpeg2 to h265 | 18:53 |
| daftykins | you must be doing it in software | 18:53 |
| diddledan_ | yeah | 18:53 |
| daftykins | not on GPU or with intel quicksync | 18:54 |
| diddledan_ | handbrake doesn't seem to support h265 hardware at all | 18:54 |
| diddledan_ | on windows it supports quicksync h264 | 18:54 |
| daftykins | unless they do separate beta editions | 18:54 |
| diddledan_ | on linux no hardware acceleration at all | 18:54 |
| daftykins | figures :> | 18:54 |
| diddledan_ | it's taking about 30 minutes per dvd rip | 18:55 |
| daftykins | total waste of time reprocessing SD content, sir | 18:56 |
| diddledan_ | which when you consider I have about 200 DVDs to do | 18:56 |
| diddledan_ | space! | 18:56 |
| daftykins | right, space is cheap | 18:56 |
| diddledan_ | I'm reprocessing it to reduce the size - 200 * 5GB == lots | 18:56 |
| daftykins | i'd rather buy a 2TB disk for ~£65 and dump 'em all as 1:1 ISO than go to all that faff :) | 18:56 |
| diddledan_ | where 200 * 600 to 1GB is much better | 18:56 |
| daftykins | and then it's still SD and looks worse :> | 18:57 |
| diddledan_ | if I were to buy a new HDD it would have to be a pair of disks to RAID1 them | 18:58 |
| daftykins | sounds good | 18:58 |
| diddledan_ | mostly because it will be a pain to re-rip all the hundreds of disks AGAIN | 18:59 |
| diddledan_ | so I want there to be a bit of protection against disk death | 18:59 |
| daftykins | discs ;) | 18:59 |
| diddledan_ | yeah, those | 18:59 |
| diddledan_ | hands off! | 18:59 |
| diddledan_ | I don't want you killing my discs! | 18:59 |
| daftykins | yeah the test server behind me has the clients old 8 x 2TB in RAID6 with his ~1000 DVD collection ripped to | 19:00 |
| diddledan_ | \o/ | 19:00 |
| daftykins | all 1:1 as ISO | 19:00 |
| diddledan_ | I tried using dd to rip some of these to iso but it complained that the disc was encrypted and so I wasn't authorised to rip them | 19:00 |
| diddledan_ | I forget the actual dmesg message | 19:01 |
| diddledan_ | I figure my DVD drive firmware is requiring a CSS decryption key to be presented before it'll let raw access to occur | 19:01 |
| diddledan_ | it's a blurry drive, so it's got all sorts of modern shenanigans I suspect | 19:02 |
| daftykins | yeah you have to decrypt | 19:02 |
| daftykins | we hired a kid to rip all the discs back at the time :> | 19:03 |
| diddledan_ | I thought I'd be able to bitstream it to iso though including the encrypted stuff but play it back using a libdvdcss-using app | 19:04 |
| daftykins | that's not what bitstreaming is :) | 19:04 |
| diddledan_ | well I mean make a bit-for-bit copy of the iso | 19:05 |
| diddledan_ | disc* | 19:05 |
| daftykins | don't worry you can still have USB A! http://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/MJ1M2ZM/A/usb-c-to-usb-adapter?fnode=8b | 19:05 |
| daftykins | £19 pls | 19:05 |
| diddledan_ | so the iso file includes all the encrypted stuff as it is on the disc without being decrypted first | 19:05 |
| diddledan_ | but my hardware said I wasn't allowed | 19:05 |
| daftykins | or £69 - http://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/MJ1K2ZM/A/usb-c-digital-av-multiport-adapter?fnode=8b | 19:05 |
| daftykins | diddledan_: not the way we did it no, dumped 'em all decrypted to make life easier for Kodi | 19:06 |
| diddledan_ | makemkv is good though | 19:06 |
| davmor2 | diddledan_: just cat /dev/sr0 to a file ;) | 19:07 |
| daftykins | you can't | 19:07 |
| davmor2 | daftykins: shhhh | 19:07 |
| diddledan_ | I used dd, but yeah, tried that | 19:07 |
| daftykins | good ol' DVD decrypted on Windows, job done | 19:08 |
| davmor2 | diddledan_: you can just install dvd libs | 19:08 |
| daftykins | i think you're missing the task at hand, chief :) | 19:08 |
| diddledan_ | yikes, those monitors they suggested you pair with the new macs... 4K at £629 and 5K at £1179 | 19:08 |
| daftykins | oof | 19:08 |
| daftykins | quite shocking Apple not making their own for a change | 19:08 |
| diddledan_ | yeah I found that odd that they partnered with LG rather than branding it as their own | 19:09 |
| davmor2 | daftykins: 90% of the market use lg/samsung lcds they have too much clout now | 19:10 |
| diddledan_ | yeah, but apple have branded LG panels as their own previously, and it's strange to promote LG directly | 19:11 |
| daftykins | davmor2: _I_ know how the market works, but i'm also aware how Apple like to reinvent the wheel with their own screens | 19:11 |
| davmor2 | daftykins: too much cost in it | 19:12 |
| diddledan_ | interesting report from makemkv on my dvd of ultraviolet: CellWalk algorithm failed (structure protection is too tough?), trying CellTrim algorithm | 19:13 |
| daftykins | davmor2: err you do realise how they charge for things right... it's never about sense :> | 19:13 |
| daftykins | hah funky | 19:13 |
| daftykins | there is a small % of titles that can cause hassles i think | 19:13 |
| diddledan_ | I don't get how there's still an issue with DVDs considering the key is public | 19:14 |
| davmor2 | daftykins: also you'll possibly discover there is a antitrust lawsuit suing apple for not recommending 3rd party products ;) | 19:14 |
| diddledan_ | but I don't understand what happens on the disk-layout | 19:14 |
| diddledan_ | disc* | 19:14 |
| daftykins | diddledan_: well they brought in newer techs like sony's ARCCoS (might be spelt wrong) and then the one with the fake program chains etc in the discs | 19:15 |
| daftykins | the former preventing contiguous access to the disc as it caused some kind of trick upon a drive's firmware | 19:16 |
| davmor2 | diddledan_: does it play? if so just frame capture it in vlc and done ;) | 19:16 |
| diddledan_ | ultraviolet is released by sony, so maybe it's got that funkyness on it | 19:17 |
| daftykins | could do | 19:17 |
| diddledan_ | ©2006 | 19:17 |
| daftykins | when Sony released it they stopped many of their own players being able to play new titles, promised firmware updates then never delivered :) | 19:17 |
| diddledan_ | some of my DVDs go WAAAY back | 19:17 |
| zmoylan-pi | og top of my head my oldest movie is h g wells things to come | 19:18 |
| davmor2 | diddledan_: pfff I got 1000's how far back do you want to go? | 19:18 |
| diddledan_ | davmor2: in particular I'm thinking the release date of the dvd rather than the movie on it | 19:19 |
| davmor2 | diddledan_: so am I | 19:19 |
| zmoylan-pi | though i will buy the new variant of metropolis they found in south america a few years back when i see it around dublin | 19:19 |
| diddledan_ | the first DVD I owned was Sphere | 19:19 |
| zmoylan-pi | first dvd was blade runner and jaws... a two for 30 special | 19:20 |
| diddledan_ | my PC wasn't powerful enough to play it back when I got it though, and I didn't have a standalone player. for xmas that year I asked-for and received a RealMagic Hollywood Plus decoder card | 19:21 |
| daftykins | davmor2: shelves upon shelves eh? | 19:21 |
| davmor2 | blade runner, eraser, the fugitive all from 96 iirc Then there were a whole bunch of re-releases too | 19:21 |
| daftykins | hehe no way, i had the exact same situation - i got Enemy of the State in ~1998 but the Pentium 1 couldn't play it, not even with the creative labs dxr2 decoder card | 19:21 |
| diddledan_ | I think that PC had an AMD K6-2 CPU | 19:22 |
| davmor2 | daftykins: we only have some where between 3 and 4000 so it's only 4 + bookcases | 19:22 |
| diddledan_ | 166MHz | 19:22 |
| daftykins | ~350MHz ? | 19:22 |
| daftykins | oh wow | 19:22 |
| daftykins | davmor2: haha, that's prime fodder for a nice big storage discless kodi setup ;) | 19:22 |
| davmor2 | daftykins: no it isn't | 19:23 |
| daftykins | well you might not want to have it, but it is :D | 19:23 |
| diddledan_ | that's 20TB if they're all about 5GB | 19:23 |
| diddledan_ | I'm expecting you have blurries there too though | 19:23 |
| daftykins | mind you i'd dump the SD | 19:24 |
| davmor2 | pfff pentium I had a 486 dx2 Laptop it was Luxury | 19:24 |
| diddledan_ | I really should get-shot-of my VHS tapes | 19:25 |
| daftykins | omw | 19:25 |
| daftykins | i think my dad's hanging onto his XD he tried to bring me a copy of The Matrix on VHS | 19:25 |
| diddledan_ | haha | 19:25 |
| daftykins | no dad, no... let it go | 19:26 |
| davmor2 | diddledan_: we did that as soon as we replaced them all with dvd's :D | 19:26 |
| daftykins | i have it here in 1080p ;) | 19:26 |
| zmoylan-pi | at least it wasn't on betamax... | 19:26 |
| diddledan_ | betamax was a better quality thouhg | 19:26 |
| daftykins | i'm sure that never saw that format :P | 19:26 |
| daftykins | be quite fun to check out a laserdisc mind you :) | 19:27 |
| daftykins | just once... | 19:27 |
| diddledan_ | VHS sacrificed half the bandwidth for one channel (forget which) so it meant you had poorer picture | 19:27 |
| davmor2 | yes but vhs was cheaper and more prone to damage meaning you would repurchase the damaged tape :D | 19:27 |
| diddledan_ | but, like with blurry and hddvd, the studios got behind one format and the other died. with blurries sony actually won though | 19:28 |
| daftykins | it makes you wonder whether they put copy protection flaws in place to have a format win | 19:28 |
| daftykins | since it's the early adopting pirates and porn industry that grow a fresh platform | 19:29 |
| diddledan_ | I wonder how many people who bought the hdvd drive for the xbot rued that decision | 19:29 |
| daftykins | haha my foolish brother did | 19:29 |
| daftykins | *HD-DVD | 19:29 |
| diddledan_ | how many films were actually released on hdvd | 19:29 |
| diddledan_ | ? | 19:29 |
| daftykins | probably sub-5 | 19:29 |
| daftykins | oh wow, 484 US titles | 19:30 |
| daftykins | mmmm cadbury's hot chocolate with guernsey milk \o/ | 20:06 |
| diddledan_ | https://twitter.com/dchest/status/791711151998570500 | 20:41 |
| zmoylan-pi | remember playstation portables umd... | 20:41 |
| diddledan_ | oh golly was that a terrible move | 20:41 |
| daftykins | Ben Heck said it well in his PS4 slim teardown - "i think Sony would use proprietary electricity if they could" | 20:42 |
| zmoylan-pi | they'd reverse the polarity in a heartbeat if paramount didn't have that patented in star trek universe :-P | 20:43 |
| daftykins | thought it was BTTF: reverse the polarity, Marty! | 20:46 |
| zmoylan-pi | doctor who... http://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/69323/star-trek-episode-referring-to-reversing-the-polarity-of-the-neutron-flow | 20:48 |
| m0nkey_ | Before anyone asks, I am not commenting on any of the Apple stuff announced today. Mostly because I don't care. :) | 20:53 |
| zmoylan-pi | and you now prefer ms surface... :-P | 20:53 |
| m0nkey_ | Yes, I like the look of the Surface desktop. Probably never get to use one. | 20:54 |
| daftykins | new Shauno is far better | 20:54 |
| daftykins | ;) | 20:54 |
| === m0nkey_ is now known as New_Shauno | ||
| New_Shauno | That better | 20:55 |
| New_Shauno | ? | 20:55 |
| === New_Shauno is now known as m0nkey_ | ||
| daftykins | :D | 20:55 |
| m0nkey_ | That name didn't feel right. | 20:55 |
| m0nkey_ | Do I want 16.04 or 16.10? | 21:08 |
| daftykins | what's the target device? | 21:08 |
| daftykins | i always vote LTS :) | 21:08 |
| m0nkey_ | Still screwing with Linux on my old mac | 21:08 |
| daftykins | which model is it? | 21:09 |
| m0nkey_ | CentOS, Works. Fedora, Works. Ubuntu has a few bugs, i.e. no wifi after sleep. | 21:09 |
| m0nkey_ | Errm | 21:09 |
| m0nkey_ | Mid-2012 Air, 13" | 21:09 |
| daftykins | do you know the "x,y" value? | 21:11 |
| daftykins | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MactelSupportTeam/CommunityHelpPages this is woefully behind | 21:11 |
| m0nkey_ | It says MacBookAir5,2 | 21:11 |
| daftykins | i could update my macbook 3,1 post with a 16.04 test :> | 21:11 |
| daftykins | ah so yours slips through the models on there then | 21:11 |
| daftykins | you can write it 8D | 21:12 |
| m0nkey_ | Ah, maybe I need the mactel ppa | 21:13 |
| m0nkey_ | Explains why multi-touch never worked, there's a multitouch package in that repo | 21:13 |
| diddledan_ | I wasn't even aware of that ppa | 21:14 |
| m0nkey_ | https://launchpad.net/~mactel-support/+archive/ubuntu/ppa | 21:15 |
| daftykins | what's the newest release packages have been... *click* | 21:15 |
| daftykins | yeah i don't think that's been relevant for a long while | 21:15 |
| diddledan_ | precise looks to be the newest package there | 21:16 |
| daftykins | i'd fire up a 14.04 ISO and see what happens, but you'll need to pick a version with the HWE or non-HWE you want to use | 21:16 |
| daftykins | obviously if you grab a 14.04.5 ISO you'll end up running presumably xenial's HWE if not newer, i'm not sure where that image would fall | 21:16 |
| diddledan_ | I don't _think_ the yakkety HWE has landed yet...? | 21:17 |
| daftykins | sounds like a no then :D | 21:17 |
| m0nkey_ | hmm, they do seem like old packages | 21:19 |
| daftykins | yeah not been relevant for some time | 21:20 |
| daftykins | m0nkey_: i have a macbook pro mid 2010 coming my way to breathe some life into, either Sunday or Monday... if it lives again i can have a go with ubuntu and see what the current state of it is :) | 21:21 |
| daftykins | doesn't hugely help i suppose since they'll be quite different hardware, but eh :P | 21:21 |
| daftykins | it's atrocious how, if any mac owners are using that mactel page, nobody is updating it | 21:22 |
| diddledan_ | last update is november | 21:23 |
| diddledan_ | I wonder what was changed then | 21:23 |
| diddledan_ | a lot of those links are dead, too: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MacBookPro11-1/Saucy <-- listed under the link text of "MacBookPro10-1/Trusty" | 21:24 |
| daftykins | probably for the best with dead releases | 21:27 |
| diddledan_ | Trusty still has a year to go though? | 21:30 |
| daftykins | 2019 | 21:31 |
| diddledan_ | aah | 21:31 |
| diddledan_ | why can't I read Chitty Chitty Bang Bang without thinking of porn titles? | 21:32 |
| m0nkey_ | I was given a LSI SAS 9240-4i to play with | 21:32 |
| diddledan_ | m0nkey_: nice! | 21:32 |
| m0nkey_ | Is that a good controller? | 21:32 |
| diddledan_ | better than none :-p | 21:33 |
| * diddledan_ googles | 21:33 | |
| diddledan_ | new they're just shy of £200 | 21:33 |
| m0nkey_ | Hmm, should be able to cross flash to a 9211 IT mode | 21:34 |
| m0nkey_ | which would make it useable in FreeNAS :) | 21:34 |
| daftykins | an MBA as a NAS? wtf | 21:35 |
| m0nkey_ | Heh | 21:35 |
| m0nkey_ | No | 21:35 |
| m0nkey_ | I have a FreeNAS box | 21:35 |
| m0nkey_ | Some E3-Xeon thing | 21:35 |
| diddledan_ | HBA** | 21:35 |
| daftykins | ah so topic hopping to keep us on our toes! | 21:36 |
| daftykins | i've booted the macbook 3,1 i was given, it can no longer even get firefox builds XD | 21:36 |
| diddledan_ | the webpage detailing that card is helpful: https://www.dropbox.com/s/d75lr1vnmn5jx43/Screenshot%202016-10-27%2022.38.22.png?dl=0 | 21:38 |
| * daftykins waits for it to upload | 21:39 | |
| m0nkey_ | Can I now have netflix in Firefox in 16.04? Or did I hear about that incorrectly? | 21:39 |
| daftykins | ah i know the avago site well, since they bought LSI who bought 3ware | 21:41 |
| diddledan_ | I can't get to know the site well because it won't show me the content | 21:44 |
| daftykins | ah i missed the reference to the HBA | 21:53 |
| daftykins | i have 9650SEs myself in a few places | 21:53 |
| daftykins | got 16.04.1 installing on there... | 21:57 |
| daftykins | OS X is now totally useless since the machine is unsupported for a release modern enough to run a supported browser | 21:58 |
| diddledan_ | what's the most-recent os x it can run? | 22:04 |
| daftykins | 10.7 i think it was | 22:04 |
| diddledan_ | so four releases ago | 22:05 |
| diddledan_ | (we're on 10.11 now, right?) | 22:05 |
| daftykins | err | 22:05 |
| diddledan_ | nope sierra is 10.12 | 22:05 |
| daftykins | 10.12 mmm | 22:05 |
| diddledan_ | so five releases ago | 22:05 |
| diddledan_ | that's roughly equivalent to five years old | 22:06 |
| daftykins | cheap 128GB SSD in this old thing, it boots ubuntu quite spritely... wouldn't fancy dealing with unity on that hardware though | 22:06 |
| diddledan_ | that's ancient then :-) | 22:06 |
| daftykins | perhaps there are ways to tone down the 3D faff | 22:06 |
| diddledan_ | is it an intel gfx? | 22:06 |
| diddledan_ | probably a GMA era? | 22:07 |
| daftykins | yeah this old thing is a c2d i think | 22:07 |
| daftykins | GMA3100 possibly? | 22:07 |
| diddledan_ | that sounds about right I think | 22:07 |
| diddledan_ | I had a c2d macbook a while back | 22:08 |
| diddledan_ | it was a c2d 2.4GHz black model | 22:08 |
| daftykins | it wouldn't be too daft to run ubuntu on it, given the SSD and if a new battery were bought, plus a second 2GB RAM module put in (has 2.5GB right now in 1 x 2GB and 1 x 512MB) | 22:09 |
| daftykins | just not worth any expenditure though | 22:09 |
| daftykins | m0nkey_: two finger scrolling working in 16.04.1 without anything done | 22:09 |
| diddledan_ | the black macbook I had looks like it was from 2008 | 22:09 |
| daftykins | not sure if that counts for gestures too | 22:09 |
| diddledan_ | one of these: http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/macbook/specs/macbook-core-2-duo-2.4-black-13-early-2008-penryn-specs.html | 22:10 |
| m0nkey_ | Huh, ok. So native playback for Netflix in Firefox, as long as I change the User Agent | 22:11 |
| diddledan_ | m0nkey_: you have to tell it you're on Windows? | 22:11 |
| m0nkey_ | Yes | 22:11 |
| m0nkey_ | But it works | 22:11 |
| diddledan_ | figures | 22:11 |
| daftykins | if you were really married to netflix i don't understand why you wouldn't just use chrome to do it | 22:11 |
| m0nkey_ | I do normally, I was just curious. | 22:12 |
| daftykins | ah | 22:20 |
| daftykins | there we go, quick install under 'additional drivers' of broadcom-sta and it's on the wifi, works quite well | 22:21 |
| m0nkey_ | Now I got me a working IRC client | 22:21 |
| daftykins | http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/macbook/specs/macbook-core-2-duo-2.2-white-13-late-2007-santa-rosa-specs.html | 22:23 |
| daftykins | that's the one | 22:23 |
| m0nkey_ | how do I get rid of this stupid Amazon shortcut? | 22:24 |
| daftykins | drag it to the bin | 22:26 |
| m0nkey_ | I did that, but I don't want it in the launcher | 22:27 |
| diddledan_ | m0nkey_: right-click and select unpin | 22:30 |
| m0nkey_ | That's not what I mean. It shows up in the Application list under Installed software. | 22:32 |
| diddledan_ | aah, gotcha. erm. it should be uninstallable via apt? | 22:32 |
| daftykins | that's quite the unnecessary move | 22:33 |
| diddledan_ | try `dpkg -l | grep amazon` to see if it's an installed package | 22:33 |
| daftykins | might be shopping related | 22:33 |
| diddledan_ | speaking of similarities, why are the unity-webapps-* packages still in the repo when the unity webapp mechanism is dead? | 22:35 |
| diddledan_ | e.g. unity-webapps-youtube | 22:35 |
| diddledan_ | unless I'm confusing them with something else? | 22:36 |
| daftykins | !info unity-webapps-youtube | 22:41 |
| lubotu3 | unity-webapps-youtube (source: unity-webapps-youtube): Unity Webapp for YouTube. In component universe, is extra. Version 2.4.16+16.04.20151119-0ubuntu1 (xenial), package size 23 kB, installed size 61 kB | 22:41 |
| daftykins | heh ok that was not greater information :P | 22:41 |
| diddledan_ | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/05/what-happened-ubuntu-unity-web-app-integration | 22:41 |
| m0nkey_ | I just deleted the shortcut from /usr/share/applications | 22:43 |
| m0nkey_ | Probably not the most elegant. | 22:44 |
| m0nkey_ | Yay, my PSU is on it's way back from Seasonic | 22:44 |
| daftykins | \o/ | 22:53 |
| * zmoylan-1i refrains from cheering till m0nkey_ report that 1) it's arrived 2) in one piece 3) they still have the same number of eyebrows after installing it and switching it on 4) it works | 22:54 | |
| === zmoylan-1i is now known as zmoylan-pi | ||
| diddledan_ | and 4) the serial number is NOT the same as the unit you sent | 22:57 |
| m0nkey_ | diddledan_, i know it's not the same serial, it's a refurb unit | 23:00 |
| m0nkey_ | apparently mine died a death on the way there.. when tested it had no power | 23:00 |
| daftykins | now they'll send you a new refurb over and over 'til your warranty runs out :( | 23:01 |
| m0nkey_ | as long as it works | 23:04 |
| m0nkey_ | still got another 5 years on the warranty | 23:05 |
| daftykins | "You are not allowed to edit this page." https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook3-1/Xenial?action=edit | 23:14 |
| daftykins | well that's quite the brick wall | 23:14 |
| daftykins | anyone else got an account to try? could just be me | 23:18 |
| daftykins | looks like you need membership of https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-wiki-editors | 23:21 |
| daftykins | popey: psst how does one get permitted to make wiki edits? | 23:21 |
| diddledan_ | doesn't membership of etherpad group work? | 23:22 |
| diddledan_ | no, I've got the wrong name | 23:22 |
| diddledan_ | let me check | 23:22 |
| daftykins | it's definitely about membership | 23:27 |
| m0nkey_ | what the heck is snap? a new package manager? | 23:31 |
| daftykins | not quite | 23:31 |
| diddledan_ | daftykins: you need to be a member of ubuntu-etherpad on launchpad | 23:32 |
| diddledan_ | daftykins: oh no, that page specifically says it doesn't allow access to the wiki :-/ | 23:33 |
| daftykins | :D | 23:34 |
| diddledan_ | https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-etherpad | 23:34 |
| daftykins | it's the one i linked already, chief | 23:34 |
| ali1234 | help.ubuntu.com is different from wiki.ubuntu.com | 23:43 |
| daftykins | oh well, we'll see if anyone responds | 23:43 |
| daftykins | it's quite a mess logging into the different sites... | 23:43 |
| daftykins | amazingly slow too | 23:43 |
| ali1234 | should all be openid | 23:44 |
| ali1234 | yeah it's very slow | 23:44 |
| daftykins | logged into one, still hit login pages on everything else | 23:44 |
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