[01:58] <m0nkey_> Who's a good e-mail hosting provider? Obviously Fastmail, but looking for others.
[01:58] <m0nkey_> And no, I'm not hosting it myself. I don't need to deal with that anymore.
[01:58] <daftykins> g suite :>
[01:59] <m0nkey_> There is that.
[02:02] <diddledan_> what time do apple do their thing tomorrow?
[02:03] <diddledan_> m0nkey_: you could also use office365 in place of gsuite if you fancy avoiding google
[02:04] <daftykins> i was gonna look that up
[02:04] <zmoylan-pi> apple usually announce 1800 or so
[02:04] <daftykins> 6pm
[02:04] <zmoylan-pi> 10am pst
[02:04] <daftykins> yip
[02:05] <diddledan_> ta
[02:05] <daftykins> i guess that answers when we 4 shall meet again ;)
[02:05] <zmoylan-pi> but the vim hit squad will be protesting the launch of a laptop with no esc key so expect delays :-)
[02:06] <daftykins> m0nkey_: you're invited to watch along and rip into Apple since you are the replacement Shauno!
[02:06] <diddledan_> I tried running emacs several years ago. it's probably still running somewhere because I couldn't figure out how to quit
[02:06] <zmoylan-pi> it's probably still loading...
[02:07] <diddledan_> apparently it's possible to run emacs inside emacs for when you're in emacs and you really need to be using emacs
[02:07] <daftykins> if you draw an 'e' on two apple machines does that also machine it's *on* emacs?
[02:07] <zmoylan-pi> it's emacs all the way down
[02:08] <daftykins> emaception
[02:08] <m0nkey_> What happened to Shauno? And why am I his replacement?
[02:09] <zmoylan-pi> shauno had a shitty day and rage quitted when i made a joke about his love of all things apple
[02:09] <diddledan_> m0nkey_: you're his replacement because you're active this time of day :-p
[02:09] <daftykins> he was quite one with the cult
[02:09] <diddledan_> it was probably a joke about the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil
[02:09] <diddledan_> of the tree of knowledge**
[02:10]  * m0nkey_ has quit (Quit: GOD DAMNIT, I EFFIN LOVE APPLE!!!!!!1)
[02:10] <m0nkey_> :)
[02:10] <diddledan_> NOOOOOOOooooooooo..........
[02:10] <diddledan_> (the .s are small o's)
[02:10] <zmoylan-pi> i don't think it was helped as he was getting a weird apple bug that day
[02:10] <daftykins> i thought it was zmoylan-pi's line that he ragequit on anywho
[02:10] <m0nkey_> I'm not quite prepared to rage quit yet.
[02:11] <zmoylan-pi> wait till you see the new laptop has no ports whatsoever...
[02:11] <daftykins> seems it's gonna have 4 x USB C which makes it pretty useless
[02:11] <m0nkey_> I hear you just throw it in the trash when the battery runs out
[02:11] <m0nkey_> Then buy a new one
[02:11] <daftykins> lol
[02:11] <daftykins> genius
[02:12] <daftykins> apple aside, shauno was a good fella though :<
[02:12] <m0nkey_> I've tried selling my MBA, but no bugger wants to take it off my hands.
[02:12] <daftykins> m0nkey_: presumably you might be doing something at 6pm blighty time though?
[02:12] <diddledan_> someone is gonna invent a qi-charging laptop that requires you to place a mat on your lap and the laptop on top of the mat to charge it
[02:12] <daftykins> that's gonna be a warm lap
[02:12] <m0nkey_> daftykins, that'll be around 1pm
[02:12] <zmoylan-pi> they'll now gradually have fewer and fewer buttons on them and maybe lose the hinge and finally charge a few grand for a fragile etch-a-sketch
[02:12] <m0nkey_> I'll be at work
[02:12] <daftykins> yeah, you need to work then?
[02:12] <daftykins> d'aww
[02:13] <m0nkey_> Meh, I'll just stream it.
[02:13] <m0nkey_> Office bandwidth can deal with it.
[02:13] <m0nkey_> Plus my interwebs is unfiltered.
[02:13] <diddledan_> zmoylan-pi: don't they already have one of those? i.e. the iPad
[02:13] <daftykins> you have to be on supported tech to watch XD
[02:13] <zmoylan-pi> i'll wait till i see what the news is pop up in my rss reader..
[02:13] <daftykins> it usually prompts about 500 articles on mine
[02:13] <diddledan_> ms edge is supported strangely
[02:13] <diddledan_> but chrome isn't
[02:13] <daftykins> ja
[02:13] <zmoylan-pi> but the ipad has no twiddly knobs on the front... the mac book pro 2020 will be an etch-a-sketch
[02:13] <m0nkey_> The whole office is behind a Websense filter. Expect for a few IP addresses, which I got approval for, are not :)
[02:14] <diddledan_> ooh, twiddly knobs sound fun
[02:14] <m0nkey_> It helps to know the top network guys ;)
[02:14] <zmoylan-pi> like the twiddly knob on the new surface studio thing
[02:15] <diddledan_> that one you can take-off and walk away with it
[02:15] <zmoylan-pi> i do see them going missing or running out of a charge when really needed alright
[02:15] <daftykins> my friend in Houston works for a big software dev firm, they just took away the public use side wifi network SSID so they can't put their phones online anymore - AND cut all their patch leads so all their work machines are on wifi - insane.
[02:15] <diddledan_> wat
[02:16] <daftykins> you only get it if you preorder and wait 'til 2017 i saw XD
[02:16] <zmoylan-pi> that sounds like a management decision...
[02:16] <daftykins> full on manglement yeah
[02:16]  * zmoylan-pi wonders how slow their network is now
[02:16] <diddledan_> here's a good idea: take a cruddy 802.11g router and put 1500 computers on the wifi
[02:17] <diddledan_> that sounds horrendus
[02:17] <zmoylan-pi> 2-3 reboots a day and you're golden
[02:17] <daftykins> thing is her team of ~5 are working on performance testing their Azure setup... :)
[02:17] <diddledan_> hah
[02:17] <diddledan_> good luck with that
[02:17] <daftykins> apparently their tubes did 360Mb before on wired and is now down to 60Mb
[02:17] <diddledan_> "is the server slow or is it just us?"
[02:17] <diddledan_> \o/
[02:17] <zmoylan-pi> mind i held onto a 286 for testing programmes on into pentium desktop territory so my code ran fast
[02:18] <daftykins> seems to me like the equivalent of telling a plumber they can't work with liquids anymore
[02:27] <zmoylan-pi> someone should attach the slowest oldest device they have to the wifi network to make that sucker crawl
[02:28] <daftykins> meh, dual-band now :P
[02:28] <diddledan_> get an 802.11b device on there :-D
[02:28] <daftykins> triple band already being sold in fact
[02:28] <diddledan_> aww
[02:28] <diddledan_> no fair
[02:30] <zmoylan-pi> i'm sure someone has made a gizmo that will clog up the wifi bandwidth... intentionally or unintentionally
[02:31] <daftykins> client phoned me up from Spain before, told me he was using the older ADSL service on the sketchy phone line that drops out often
[02:31] <m0nkey_> OK, I'm out guys.
[02:31] <daftykins> i asked why 1) that hadn't been cancelled a few months back like we intended and 2) why he wasn't just using the fast service he pays for
[02:32] <daftykins> nn m0nkey_ \o
[02:32] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[02:33] <diddledan_> `\o/`
[02:34] <diddledan_> ¯\o/¯
[02:34] <daftykins> ooh are those pom poms diddledan_ ?
[02:34] <diddledan_> there we go
[02:36] <diddledan_> ˙\o/˙
[02:36] <diddledan_> pompoms there maybe?
[02:36] <diddledan_> mac vulcan-keypresses can get funky letters
[02:38] <daftykins> i kinda expected a mac vulcan keypress to engage sleep :D
[02:39] <zmoylan-pi> *\o/* would be poms poms
[02:40] <diddledan_> or ninja stars
[02:40] <daftykins> well since the macbook repair i characterise diddledan_ as poor you see, so the pom poms have shrunk
[02:40] <daftykins> (totally not a stretch explanation)
[02:43] <diddledan_> think I'm gonna hit the hay too
[02:44] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[02:44] <daftykins> yep sounds about that time
[06:18] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:53] <diplo> Morning all
[10:43] <foobarry> does anyone use remarkable markdown editor?
[10:43] <foobarry> preview window does not scroll with editing text, and jumps to top of screen always
[10:53] <popey> i use atom
[10:53] <foobarry> i appear to have that installed
[10:53] <foobarry> too
[10:54] <popey> it has a nice side-by-side markdown editor
[10:54] <foobarry> how do i turn on preview mode?
[10:54] <foobarry> in the side pane
[10:55] <popey> ctrl+shift+m
[10:55] <foobarry> ta
[10:56] <foobarry> shame, since remarkable is actually nicer for simple stuff
[10:58] <foobarry> https://github.com/jamiemcg/Remarkable/issues/25
[11:01] <SuperMatt> Gnome Builder can also show you markdown
[11:03] <diddledan_> markdown ftw
[11:03] <diddledan_> morning
[11:22]  * diddledan_ wanders off to find a jumper
[12:49] <foobarry> is mycroft out yet?
[12:52] <foobarry> ah, minimum 4 weeks away
[12:53] <popey> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFyyeRESXTE need to be able to do that with it
[13:01] <foobarry> sigh. new kernel (dirtycow fix) fails to resume from suspend
[13:03] <foobarry> i just had to type apt install yum
[13:03] <foobarry> feel sad now
[13:04] <SuperMatt> I wish I had such options!
[13:04]  * SuperMatt curses being forced to use a mac for work
[13:04] <foobarry> my colleague resigned and had a new job lined up
[13:04] <foobarry> foudn out at last min he would be using a mac. withdrew his resignation
[13:05] <SuperMatt> that's a bit extreme
[13:05] <SuperMatt> It took a couple of days, but my mac is acting more gnome like these days
[13:05] <Gargoyle> SuperMatt, New mac or old mac?
[13:06] <Gargoyle> You could always sneak ubuntu onto it! :P
[13:08] <popey> hahah, that's a bit mental
[13:09] <foobarry> i would feel the same. its a symptom of enforced working procedures when you are used to your own workflows and bashrc and vimrc etc
[13:09] <foobarry> next thing u have to load a windows VM to access the HR website and you hate your life
[13:11] <popey> I quite like that we get laptop budget and you choose whatever you want
[13:11] <popey> some people buy macs and run ubuntu in a vm, others use the money for house improvements and just keep their 6 year old laptop :)
[13:14] <TwistedLucidity> popey: That almost reads like it should be treated more as a benefit in kind.
[13:14] <popey> i waited for over a year before choosing to get a second hand thinkpad :)
[13:15] <popey> I can't recall how much it is, but it's more than enough to buy a decent laptop
[13:15] <popey> just most people don't
[13:15]  * TwistedLucidity gets given corporate kit, with the corporate install, corporate control, corporate issues...
[13:15] <popey> pocket the difference I guess.
[13:15] <popey> yeah, i used to be there. never really had a crap laptop from work back then... although there was one fujitsu I had for a while which was pretty bad
[13:16] <TwistedLucidity> "Your PC will now reboot" NO NO NO I'm mid-compile! Noooooooooooooooooooooooo!
[13:16] <popey> got replaced when the encrypted windows install  went bad
[13:16] <popey> oh, yeah, don't miss that
[13:17] <popey> although, with latest snappy install....
[13:17] <popey> reboot scheduled to update the system - temporarily cancel with 'sudo shutdown -c'
[13:17] <popey> The system is going down for reboot NOW!
[13:17] <popey> kaboom
[13:17] <foobarry> do i need an invite to join a paticular slack channel?
[13:17] <popey> yes
[13:17] <foobarry> sigh
[13:17] <foobarry> irc for hipsters
[13:17] <popey> unless you have an email address in their whitelisted domains
[13:17] <zmoylan-pi> oooooh, talking about slack on irc... that's just sad... :-)
[13:18] <popey> e.g. for the ubuntu slack, it's @ubuntu.com or @canonical.com which are whitelisted
[13:19] <TwistedLucidity> Anyone seen error like this at the end of "apt update"? E: Unable to change to (unreachable)/folder/ - chdir (2: No such file or directory)
[13:20] <popey> erk
[13:20] <popey> no
[13:20] <foobarry> checked your sources list for errors?
[13:20] <TwistedLucidity> Got one server that does it all the bloody time. Works fine if I run from root
[13:20] <popey> broken /var
[13:20] <foobarry> ls sources.list.d
[13:20] <popey> or maybe you're running apt in a directory that just got deleted ?
[13:21] <TwistedLucidity> Nope. Does it all the time if you are not in /
[13:21] <TwistedLucidity> I've read a few questions about it, but neve found an answer.
[13:21] <TwistedLucidity> "broken /var"?
[13:23] <TwistedLucidity>  /etc/apt/sources.list.d looks fine, only one entry
[13:25] <foobarry> and sources.list?
[13:27] <Gargoyle> Does "apt-get" do the same?
[13:28] <TwistedLucidity> Yeah, pretty sure. Upgrades running just now....
[13:30] <TwistedLucidity> That's weird, why the heck is it listing Trusty?
[13:31] <TwistedLucidity> Ach, haven't moved that one to Xenial yet; that's why. It's been doing this for an age though.
[14:55] <diddledan_> TwistedLucidity: do you maybe have a local (on your disk) apt repo configured with a relative path?
[14:56] <TwistedLucidity> It's possible, diddledan_, this server has been futzed around with since 12.04. How would I check?
[14:56] <diddledan_> TwistedLucidity: in your sources.list and sources.list.d/*.list
[14:57] <TwistedLucidity>  /etc/apt/sources.list is all "deb http://..."
[14:57] <diddledan_> hmm
[14:57] <diddledan_> those won't be local then :-p
[14:57] <TwistedLucidity>  /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ only has emby and I'm pretty sure that's fine
[14:57] <diddledan_> really odd
[14:57] <TwistedLucidity> Aye, it's fine.
[14:58] <TwistedLucidity> Started in 13.10 I think; just never managed to solve it
[14:58] <diddledan_> maybe some config elsewhere is wonky. try looking through the other apt config files for relative paths
[14:59] <diddledan_> most likely candidates are in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d I believe
[15:11] <TwistedLucidity> diddledan_: Ta.
[16:29] <diddledan_> daftykins: you here yet? 30 minutes till expensive shiny
[16:29] <diddledan_> zmoylan-pi: and you!
[16:40] <daftykins> hi!
[16:40] <daftykins> just did a last minute M&S dash, left the house at about 5:12pm and got some shopping in before 5:30 closing ;)
[16:41] <diddledan_> \o/
[16:41] <daftykins> and their android pay machines were working again \o/
[16:44] <diddledan_> MS business prices rising by 22%?! (listening to the ubupodcast)
[16:50] <diddledan_> the broadcast is up with beats1 music holding img
[16:50] <diddledan_> image*
[16:53] <daftykins> yeah it's beginning to get annoying using your currency :P
[16:54] <diddledan_> use euros :-p
[16:54] <diddledan_> you're lucky like that
[16:54] <daftykins> naw can't
[16:55] <Laney> nice sky tonight
[16:55] <Laney> woah
[16:55] <diddledan_> cloudy here :-(
[16:55] <Laney> just as I typed that someone at the top of the hill let off a firework
[16:55] <daftykins> o0
[16:55] <Laney> it's not really dark enough for that ...
[16:55] <diddledan_> oh golly, it's that time of year again.. I forgot all about htat
[16:55] <daftykins> me too :(
[16:56] <diddledan_> how many weeks will we have to suffer?
[16:56] <Laney> bah humbug!
[16:57] <diddledan_> I like minty humbugs!
[16:58] <daftykins> mmm i just tried crumpets with nutella on
[16:59] <diddledan_> :-o
[17:03] <daftykins> it begins
[17:04] <daftykins> ok here comes the numbers and self congratulatory rubbish... :P
[17:07] <diddledan_> yey, it's the adjective we're ever verbed
[17:08] <diddledan_> we've*
[17:08] <daftykins> so easy to quote review sites when you ban the unbiased ones from doing any :D
[17:11] <selinuxium> hi all
[17:11] <daftykins> lo
[17:11] <diddledan_> ooh, new tv
[17:11] <diddledan_> that wasn't rumoured
[17:12] <daftykins> yeah you're slightly ahead already :P
[17:12] <diddledan_> lol
[17:12] <daftykins> only about 5 secs
[17:12] <diddledan_> are you getting occasional buffering?
[17:12] <daftykins> nope al smooth
[17:12] <daftykins> +l
[17:12] <diddledan_> odd that you're behind otherwise
[17:12] <selinuxium>  Anyone else here had problems with snappy/ubuntu single sign on?
[17:13] <diddledan_> wat. minecrack?!
[17:13] <daftykins> selinuxium: best to take it to #ubuntu if you want support right now
[17:13] <diddledan_> really need to see finding dory!
[17:13] <diddledan_> I love pixar
[17:14] <diddledan_> I'm a butch manly man, obviously
[17:14] <selinuxium>  I will. I just land here... Was interested, that's all.
[17:14] <daftykins> yeah, just steering you to the relevant spot :P
[17:15] <selinuxium> Gettting over surgery and thought I could take the time to 'up skill'..
[17:15] <daftykins> sounds like a plan
[17:15] <selinuxium> Since when is learning something up skilling?
[17:16] <daftykins> err you seem to be arguing with yourself there
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[17:16] <daftykins> diddledan_: dunno about you but this is all useless XD
[17:16] <selinuxium> Something I have come used to...
[17:16] <selinuxium> Finding Dory is great  :)
[17:16] <daftykins> twitter crap though
[17:17] <diddledan_> the ONE place!!
[17:17] <daftykins> their boxes are always underpowered rubbish
[17:17] <diddledan_> I predicted that name before he got to it
[17:18] <daftykins> :P
[17:18] <daftykins> i bet you said 'iTV'
[17:19] <diddledan_> wonder if it'll work with plex
[17:19] <daftykins> haha
[17:19] <diddledan_> will it also integrate with my automated piracy system?
[17:27] <daftykins> ...your fingers?
[17:27] <diddledan_> no new tv hardware then
[17:29] <daftykins> yep, 4th gen can't even do 4K
[17:29] <daftykins> ruh roh freenodelag
[17:32] <diddledan_> not scrimping on the superlatives then
[17:32] <daftykins> some very bold claims there
[17:33] <daftykins> yep it really is USB C only! XD
[17:33] <daftykins> idiots++
[17:33] <diddledan_> the adjective we've ever verbed!
[17:33]  * zmoylan-1i wanders in after a nice walk to shops
[17:34] <daftykins> :> welcome back sir
[17:34] <daftykins> you're just in time for the new stupid macs with USB C ports only
[17:34] <zmoylan-pi> and no rs232c?! :-D
[17:35] <daftykins> not even one!
[17:35] <diddledan_> that's a huge trackpad
[17:35] <zmoylan-pi> and me with a good solid 9600baud fax modem that needs supporting
[17:36] <diddledan_> the adjective we've ever verbed!
[17:36] <daftykins> no it doesn't ;)
[17:39] <daftykins> Art Lebedev wanted to do this years ago with that OLED keyboard
[17:40] <daftykins> folks are going to need to learn to be like fighter pilots, operating their eyes independantly to have one look at each display...
[17:40] <zmoylan-pi> in the 90s i thought touchscreens were the wave of the future for keyboards and general input... then i started to use them for point of sales systems...
[17:40] <daftykins> that must've been the early resistive tech though? :>
[17:40] <zmoylan-pi> think of the malware that makes the esc button a send credit card info button...
[17:42] <zmoylan-pi> the really early touch screens were adapters for crts with you breaking the beam in a surrounding bezel.  made it easier as you weren't touching electronics or plastics, just solid glass which would need to be wiped clean a few times per day
[17:43] <diddledan_> zmoylan-pi: before those they had gimbals to mount the monitor onto which measured how much the monitor rocks and in which direction to calculate the position of touch
[17:44] <zmoylan-pi> had those too... just a little calibration software when you moved it to a new location and they were grand
[17:44] <daftykins> when did emoji become so relevant? o0
[17:44] <zmoylan-pi> when the egyptians build their pyramids
[17:44] <zmoylan-pi> urinating dog urinating dog
[17:44] <daftykins> he didn't even command+tab between apps :(
[17:46] <daftykins> diddledan_: i've been all these places :D
[17:46] <daftykins> Coit tower there in SF
[17:50] <diddledan_> the adjective we've ever verbed!
[17:50] <daftykins> ;]
[17:50] <diddledan_> the adjective we've ever verbed!
[17:53] <diddledan_> the adjective we've ever verbed!
[17:53] <daftykins> and yet all these are using last gen skylake
[17:55] <daftykins> £59.99 cable ;)
[17:57] <zmoylan-pi> and with the way the pound is going it'll be double that if you wait till december...
[18:03] <davmor2> can someone please slap diddledan_ he seems to be stuck in a loop
[18:04] <daftykins> he's just enamoured with the Apple staff ;)
[18:05] <diddledan_> SYNERGY!
[18:05] <diddledan_> I need to capitalise on the shared synergy
[18:05] <daftykins> sin + energy
[18:06] <diddledan_> hopefully I'll improve the return on investment and penetrate the market
[18:07] <davmor2> diddledan_: you know you're allowed to use whole sentences you're note the one try to catchphrase the next apple product out the door
[18:11] <zmoylan-pi> whole sentences are for
[18:12] <diddledan_> yey, they've got the requisite jonny ice video
[18:12] <diddledan_> ive*
[18:12] <zmoylan-pi> they'd charge more if it was ice as he'd be so much cooler then...
[18:14] <daftykins> Jonny Five bit over
[18:17] <davmor2> jonny five would be better :D
[18:17] <zmoylan-pi> at we know he's alive
[18:17] <zmoylan-pi> *at least we
[18:17] <davmor2> Hey laser lips your momma was a snow blower
[18:18] <daftykins> XD
[18:23] <diddledan_> and that's a wrap
[18:23] <diddledan_> I almost typed warp, then
[18:24] <daftykins> that would be preferable
[18:24] <davmor2> is it just me or did diddledan_ just say I almost time warped then :D
[18:25] <davmor2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkplPbd2f60
[18:37] <diddledan_> uk prices are following the apple tradition of $1 [18:37] <diddledan_> http://www.apple.com/uk/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro/13-inch
[18:37] <diddledan_> base model 1449
[18:38] <diddledan_> high-end 15inch is 2699
[18:38] <zmoylan-pi> what is this the late 80s?!
[18:39] <diddledan_> oh, they do a 15inch without the touch bar too
[18:39] <diddledan_> that's 1899
[18:40] <zmoylan-pi> what else is cut out of that spec though
[18:40]  * diddledan_ shrugs
[18:40] <diddledan_> oh gfx
[18:40] <diddledan_> that's only got iris
[18:42] <diddledan_> the 13 without the touchbar is 1249
[18:43] <zmoylan-pi> already nicknamed the gropebar...
[18:44] <diddledan_> oh it's confusing. they've got some old models on the same page with the new ones and there's no clear distinction which is which
[18:44] <diddledan_> so I may be mistaken about some of what I just said above
[18:45] <davmor2> diddledan_: Who cares we don't use MAC :P
[18:46]  * diddledan_ ragequits
[18:46] <davmor2> diddledan_: rage against the machine not against the quits
[18:50] <daftykins> omw they want 2 grand for a machine with only 8GB RAM
[18:50] <daftykins> (13")
[18:51] <diddledan_> ooh, "now you see me 2" is released tomorrow
[18:51] <diddledan_> \o/
[18:51] <diddledan_> daftykins: yeah that's sucky nuts
[18:51] <zmoylan-pi> people already have their orders in, in my irish linux channel...
[18:51] <diddledan_> daftykins: I think I prefer the surface book at those prices
[18:51] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: seriously? :P
[18:52] <diddledan_> zmoylan-pi: but linux won't be able to drive the magic bar
[18:52] <diddledan_> touch bar
[18:52] <daftykins> i thought so much more of the Irish until then!
[18:52] <diddledan_> wtf
[18:53] <diddledan_> h265 video takes an age to transcode
[18:53] <diddledan_> as-in transcoding mpeg2 to h265
[18:53] <daftykins> you must be doing it in software
[18:53] <diddledan_> yeah
[18:54] <daftykins> not on GPU or with intel quicksync
[18:54] <diddledan_> handbrake doesn't seem to support h265 hardware at all
[18:54] <diddledan_> on windows it supports quicksync h264
[18:54] <daftykins> unless they do separate beta editions
[18:54] <diddledan_> on linux no hardware acceleration at all
[18:54] <daftykins> figures :>
[18:55] <diddledan_> it's taking about 30 minutes per dvd rip
[18:56] <daftykins> total waste of time reprocessing SD content, sir
[18:56] <diddledan_> which when you consider I have about 200 DVDs to do
[18:56] <diddledan_> space!
[18:56] <daftykins> right, space is cheap
[18:56] <diddledan_> I'm reprocessing it to reduce the size - 200 * 5GB == lots
[18:56] <daftykins> i'd rather buy a 2TB disk for ~£65 and dump 'em all as 1:1 ISO than go to all that faff :)
[18:56] <diddledan_> where 200 * 600 to 1GB is much better
[18:57] <daftykins> and then it's still SD and looks worse :>
[18:58] <diddledan_> if I were to buy a new HDD it would have to be a pair of disks to RAID1 them
[18:58] <daftykins> sounds good
[18:59] <diddledan_> mostly because it will be a pain to re-rip all the hundreds of disks AGAIN
[18:59] <diddledan_> so I want there to be a bit of protection against disk death
[18:59] <daftykins> discs ;)
[18:59] <diddledan_> yeah, those
[18:59] <diddledan_> hands off!
[18:59] <diddledan_> I don't want you killing my discs!
[19:00] <daftykins> yeah the test server behind me has the clients old 8 x 2TB in RAID6 with his ~1000 DVD collection ripped to
[19:00] <diddledan_> \o/
[19:00] <daftykins> all 1:1 as ISO
[19:00] <diddledan_> I tried using dd to rip some of these to iso but it complained that the disc was encrypted and so I wasn't authorised to rip them
[19:01] <diddledan_> I forget the actual dmesg message
[19:01] <diddledan_> I figure my DVD drive firmware is requiring a CSS decryption key to be presented before it'll let raw access to occur
[19:02] <diddledan_> it's a blurry drive, so it's got all sorts of modern shenanigans I suspect
[19:02] <daftykins> yeah you have to decrypt
[19:03] <daftykins> we hired a kid to rip all the discs back at the time :>
[19:04] <diddledan_> I thought I'd be able to bitstream it to iso though including the encrypted stuff but play it back using a libdvdcss-using app
[19:04] <daftykins> that's not what bitstreaming is :)
[19:05] <diddledan_> well I mean make a bit-for-bit copy of the iso
[19:05] <diddledan_> disc*
[19:05] <daftykins> don't worry you can still have USB A! http://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/MJ1M2ZM/A/usb-c-to-usb-adapter?fnode=8b
[19:05] <daftykins> £19 pls
[19:05] <diddledan_> so the iso file includes all the encrypted stuff as it is on the disc without being decrypted first
[19:05] <diddledan_> but my hardware said I wasn't allowed
[19:05] <daftykins> or £69 - http://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/MJ1K2ZM/A/usb-c-digital-av-multiport-adapter?fnode=8b
[19:06] <daftykins> diddledan_: not the way we did it no, dumped 'em all decrypted to make life easier for Kodi
[19:06] <diddledan_> makemkv is good though
[19:07] <davmor2> diddledan_: just cat /dev/sr0 to a file ;)
[19:07] <daftykins> you can't
[19:07] <davmor2> daftykins: shhhh
[19:07] <diddledan_> I used dd, but yeah, tried that
[19:08] <daftykins> good ol' DVD decrypted on Windows, job done
[19:08] <davmor2> diddledan_: you can just install dvd libs
[19:08] <daftykins> i think you're missing the task at hand, chief :)
[19:08] <diddledan_> yikes, those monitors they suggested you pair with the new macs... 4K at £629 and 5K at £1179
[19:08] <daftykins> oof
[19:08] <daftykins> quite shocking Apple not making their own for a change
[19:09] <diddledan_> yeah I found that odd that they partnered with LG rather than branding it as their own
[19:10] <davmor2> daftykins: 90% of the market use lg/samsung lcds they have too much clout now
[19:11] <diddledan_> yeah, but apple have branded LG panels as their own previously, and it's strange to promote LG directly
[19:11] <daftykins> davmor2: _I_ know how the market works, but i'm also aware how Apple like to reinvent the wheel with their own screens
[19:12] <davmor2> daftykins: too much cost in it
[19:13] <diddledan_> interesting report from makemkv on my dvd of ultraviolet: CellWalk algorithm failed (structure protection is too tough?), trying CellTrim algorithm
[19:13] <daftykins> davmor2: err you do realise how they charge for things right... it's never about sense :>
[19:13] <daftykins> hah funky
[19:13] <daftykins> there is a small % of titles that can cause hassles i think
[19:14] <diddledan_> I don't get how there's still an issue with DVDs considering the key is public
[19:14] <davmor2> daftykins: also you'll possibly discover there is a antitrust lawsuit suing apple for not recommending 3rd party products ;)
[19:14] <diddledan_> but I don't understand what happens on the disk-layout
[19:14] <diddledan_> disc*
[19:15] <daftykins> diddledan_: well they brought in newer techs like sony's ARCCoS (might be spelt wrong) and then the one with the fake program chains etc in the discs
[19:16] <daftykins> the former preventing contiguous access to the disc as it caused some kind of trick upon a drive's firmware
[19:16] <davmor2> diddledan_: does it play? if so just frame capture it in vlc and done ;)
[19:17] <diddledan_> ultraviolet is released by sony, so maybe it's got that funkyness on it
[19:17] <daftykins> could do
[19:17] <diddledan_> ©2006
[19:17] <daftykins> when Sony released it they stopped many of their own players being able to play new titles, promised firmware updates then never delivered :)
[19:17] <diddledan_> some of my DVDs go WAAAY back
[19:18] <zmoylan-pi> og top of my head my oldest movie is h g wells things to come
[19:18] <davmor2> diddledan_: pfff I got 1000's how far back do you want to go?
[19:19] <diddledan_> davmor2: in particular I'm thinking the release date of the dvd rather than the movie on it
[19:19] <davmor2> diddledan_: so am I
[19:19] <zmoylan-pi> though i will buy the new variant of metropolis they found in south america a few years back when i see it around dublin
[19:19] <diddledan_> the first DVD I owned was Sphere
[19:20] <zmoylan-pi> first dvd was blade runner and jaws... a two for 30 special
[19:21] <diddledan_> my PC wasn't powerful enough to play it back when I got it though, and I didn't have a standalone player. for xmas that year I asked-for and received a RealMagic Hollywood Plus decoder card
[19:21] <daftykins> davmor2: shelves upon shelves eh?
[19:21] <davmor2> blade runner, eraser, the fugitive all from 96 iirc  Then there were a whole bunch of re-releases too
[19:21] <daftykins> hehe no way, i had the exact same situation - i got Enemy of the State in ~1998 but the Pentium 1 couldn't play it, not even with the creative labs dxr2 decoder card
[19:22] <diddledan_> I think that PC had an AMD K6-2 CPU
[19:22] <davmor2> daftykins: we only have some where between 3 and 4000 so it's only 4 + bookcases
[19:22] <diddledan_> 166MHz
[19:22] <daftykins> ~350MHz ?
[19:22] <daftykins> oh wow
[19:22] <daftykins> davmor2: haha, that's prime fodder for a nice big storage discless kodi setup ;)
[19:23] <davmor2> daftykins: no it isn't
[19:23] <daftykins> well you might not want to have it, but it is :D
[19:23] <diddledan_> that's 20TB if they're all about 5GB
[19:23] <diddledan_> I'm expecting you have blurries there too though
[19:24] <daftykins> mind you i'd dump the SD
[19:24] <davmor2> pfff pentium I had a 486 dx2 Laptop it was Luxury
[19:25] <diddledan_> I really should get-shot-of my VHS tapes
[19:25] <daftykins> omw
[19:25] <daftykins> i think my dad's hanging onto his XD he tried to bring me a copy of The Matrix on VHS
[19:25] <diddledan_> haha
[19:26] <daftykins> no dad, no... let it go
[19:26] <davmor2> diddledan_: we did that as soon as we replaced them all with dvd's :D
[19:26] <daftykins> i have it here in 1080p ;)
[19:26] <zmoylan-pi> at least it wasn't on betamax...
[19:26] <diddledan_> betamax was a better quality thouhg
[19:26] <daftykins> i'm sure that never saw that format :P
[19:27] <daftykins> be quite fun to check out a laserdisc mind you :)
[19:27] <daftykins> just once...
[19:27] <diddledan_> VHS sacrificed half the bandwidth for one channel (forget which) so it meant you had poorer picture
[19:27] <davmor2> yes but vhs was cheaper and more prone to damage meaning you would repurchase the damaged tape :D
[19:28] <diddledan_> but, like with blurry and hddvd, the studios got behind one format and the other died. with blurries sony actually won though
[19:28] <daftykins> it makes you wonder whether they put copy protection flaws in place to have a format win
[19:29] <daftykins> since it's the early adopting pirates and porn industry that grow a fresh platform
[19:29] <diddledan_> I wonder how many people who bought the hdvd drive for the xbot rued that decision
[19:29] <daftykins> haha my foolish brother did
[19:29] <daftykins> *HD-DVD
[19:29] <diddledan_> how many films were actually released on hdvd
[19:29] <diddledan_> ?
[19:29] <daftykins> probably sub-5
[19:30] <daftykins> oh wow, 484 US titles
[20:06] <daftykins> mmmm cadbury's hot chocolate with guernsey milk \o/
[20:41] <diddledan_> https://twitter.com/dchest/status/791711151998570500
[20:41] <zmoylan-pi> remember playstation portables umd...
[20:41] <diddledan_> oh golly was that a terrible move
[20:42] <daftykins> Ben Heck said it well in his PS4 slim teardown - "i think Sony would use proprietary electricity if they could"
[20:43] <zmoylan-pi> they'd reverse the polarity in a heartbeat if paramount didn't have that patented in star trek universe :-P
[20:46] <daftykins> thought it was BTTF: reverse the polarity, Marty!
[20:48] <zmoylan-pi> doctor who... http://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/69323/star-trek-episode-referring-to-reversing-the-polarity-of-the-neutron-flow
[20:53] <m0nkey_> Before anyone asks, I am not commenting on any of the Apple stuff announced today. Mostly because I don't care. :)
[20:53] <zmoylan-pi> and you now prefer ms surface... :-P
[20:54] <m0nkey_> Yes, I like the look of the Surface desktop. Probably never get to use one.
[20:54] <daftykins> new Shauno is far better
[20:54] <daftykins> ;)
[20:55] <New_Shauno> That better
[20:55] <New_Shauno> ?
[20:55] <daftykins> :D
[20:55] <m0nkey_> That name didn't feel right.
[21:08] <m0nkey_> Do I want 16.04 or 16.10?
[21:08] <daftykins> what's the target device?
[21:08] <daftykins> i always vote LTS :)
[21:08] <m0nkey_> Still screwing with Linux on my old mac
[21:09] <daftykins> which model is it?
[21:09] <m0nkey_> CentOS, Works. Fedora, Works. Ubuntu has a few bugs, i.e. no wifi after sleep.
[21:09] <m0nkey_> Errm
[21:09] <m0nkey_> Mid-2012 Air, 13"
[21:11] <daftykins> do you know the "x,y" value?
[21:11] <daftykins> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MactelSupportTeam/CommunityHelpPages this is woefully behind
[21:11] <m0nkey_> It says MacBookAir5,2
[21:11] <daftykins> i could update my macbook 3,1 post with a 16.04 test :>
[21:11] <daftykins> ah so yours slips through the models on there then
[21:12] <daftykins> you can write it 8D
[21:13] <m0nkey_> Ah, maybe I need the mactel ppa
[21:13] <m0nkey_> Explains why multi-touch never worked, there's a multitouch package in that repo
[21:14] <diddledan_> I wasn't even aware of that ppa
[21:15] <m0nkey_> https://launchpad.net/~mactel-support/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[21:15] <daftykins> what's the newest release packages have been... *click*
[21:15] <daftykins> yeah i don't think that's been relevant for a long while
[21:16] <diddledan_> precise looks to be the newest package there
[21:16] <daftykins> i'd fire up a 14.04 ISO and see what happens, but you'll need to pick a version with the HWE or non-HWE you want to use
[21:16] <daftykins> obviously if you grab a 14.04.5 ISO you'll end up running presumably xenial's HWE if not newer, i'm not sure where that image would fall
[21:17] <diddledan_> I don't _think_ the yakkety HWE has landed yet...?
[21:17] <daftykins> sounds like a no then :D
[21:19] <m0nkey_> hmm, they do seem like old packages
[21:20] <daftykins> yeah not been relevant for some time
[21:21] <daftykins> m0nkey_: i have a macbook pro mid 2010 coming my way to breathe some life into, either Sunday or Monday... if it lives again i can have a go with ubuntu and see what the current state of it is :)
[21:21] <daftykins> doesn't hugely help i suppose since they'll be quite different hardware, but eh :P
[21:22] <daftykins> it's atrocious how, if any mac owners are using that mactel page, nobody is updating it
[21:23] <diddledan_> last update is november
[21:23] <diddledan_> I wonder what was changed then
[21:24] <diddledan_> a lot of those links are dead, too: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MacBookPro11-1/Saucy <-- listed under the link text of "MacBookPro10-1/Trusty"
[21:27] <daftykins> probably for the best with dead releases
[21:30] <diddledan_> Trusty still has a year to go though?
[21:31] <daftykins> 2019
[21:31] <diddledan_> aah
[21:32] <diddledan_> why can't I read Chitty Chitty Bang Bang without thinking of porn titles?
[21:32] <m0nkey_> I was given a LSI SAS 9240-4i to play with
[21:32] <diddledan_> m0nkey_: nice!
[21:32] <m0nkey_> Is that a good controller?
[21:33] <diddledan_> better than none :-p
[21:33]  * diddledan_ googles
[21:33] <diddledan_> new they're just shy of £200
[21:34] <m0nkey_> Hmm, should be able to cross flash to a 9211 IT mode
[21:34] <m0nkey_> which would make it useable in FreeNAS :)
[21:35] <daftykins> an MBA as a NAS? wtf
[21:35] <m0nkey_> Heh
[21:35] <m0nkey_> No
[21:35] <m0nkey_> I have a FreeNAS box
[21:35] <m0nkey_> Some E3-Xeon thing
[21:35] <diddledan_> HBA**
[21:36] <daftykins> ah so topic hopping to keep us on our toes!
[21:36] <daftykins> i've booted the macbook 3,1 i was given, it can no longer even get firefox builds XD
[21:38] <diddledan_> the webpage detailing that card is helpful: https://www.dropbox.com/s/d75lr1vnmn5jx43/Screenshot%202016-10-27%2022.38.22.png?dl=0
[21:39]  * daftykins waits for it to upload
[21:39] <m0nkey_> Can I now have netflix in Firefox in 16.04? Or did I hear about that incorrectly?
[21:41] <daftykins> ah i know the avago site well, since they bought LSI who bought 3ware
[21:44] <diddledan_> I can't get to know the site well because it won't show me the content
[21:53] <daftykins> ah i missed the reference to the HBA
[21:53] <daftykins> i have 9650SEs myself in a few places
[21:57] <daftykins> got 16.04.1 installing on there...
[21:58] <daftykins> OS X is now totally useless since the machine is unsupported for a release modern enough to run a supported browser
[22:04] <diddledan_> what's the most-recent os x it can run?
[22:04] <daftykins> 10.7 i think it was
[22:05] <diddledan_> so four releases ago
[22:05] <diddledan_> (we're on 10.11 now, right?)
[22:05] <daftykins> err
[22:05] <diddledan_> nope sierra is 10.12
[22:05] <daftykins> 10.12 mmm
[22:05] <diddledan_> so five releases ago
[22:06] <diddledan_> that's roughly equivalent to five years old
[22:06] <daftykins> cheap 128GB SSD in this old thing, it boots ubuntu quite spritely... wouldn't fancy dealing with unity on that hardware though
[22:06] <diddledan_> that's ancient then :-)
[22:06] <daftykins> perhaps there are ways to tone down the 3D faff
[22:06] <diddledan_> is it an intel gfx?
[22:07] <diddledan_> probably a GMA era?
[22:07] <daftykins> yeah this old thing is a c2d i think
[22:07] <daftykins> GMA3100 possibly?
[22:07] <diddledan_> that sounds about right I think
[22:08] <diddledan_> I had a c2d macbook a while back
[22:08] <diddledan_> it was a c2d 2.4GHz black model
[22:09] <daftykins> it wouldn't be too daft to run ubuntu on it, given the SSD and if a new battery were bought, plus a second 2GB RAM module put in (has 2.5GB right now in 1 x 2GB and 1 x 512MB)
[22:09] <daftykins> just not worth any expenditure though
[22:09] <daftykins> m0nkey_: two finger scrolling working in 16.04.1 without anything done
[22:09] <diddledan_> the black macbook I had looks like it was from 2008
[22:09] <daftykins> not sure if that counts for gestures too
[22:10] <diddledan_> one of these: http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/macbook/specs/macbook-core-2-duo-2.4-black-13-early-2008-penryn-specs.html
[22:11] <m0nkey_> Huh, ok. So native playback for Netflix in Firefox, as long as I change the User Agent
[22:11] <diddledan_> m0nkey_: you have to tell it you're on Windows?
[22:11] <m0nkey_> Yes
[22:11] <m0nkey_> But it works
[22:11] <diddledan_> figures
[22:11] <daftykins> if you were really married to netflix i don't understand why you wouldn't just use chrome to do it
[22:12] <m0nkey_> I do normally, I was just curious.
[22:20] <daftykins> ah
[22:21] <daftykins> there we go, quick install under 'additional drivers' of broadcom-sta and it's on the wifi, works quite well
[22:21] <m0nkey_> Now I got me a working IRC client
[22:23] <daftykins> http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/macbook/specs/macbook-core-2-duo-2.2-white-13-late-2007-santa-rosa-specs.html
[22:23] <daftykins> that's the one
[22:24] <m0nkey_> how do I get rid of this stupid Amazon shortcut?
[22:26] <daftykins> drag it to the bin
[22:27] <m0nkey_> I did that, but I don't want it in the launcher
[22:30] <diddledan_> m0nkey_: right-click and select unpin
[22:32] <m0nkey_> That's not what I mean. It shows up in the Application list under Installed software.
[22:32] <diddledan_> aah, gotcha. erm. it should be uninstallable via apt?
[22:33] <daftykins> that's quite the unnecessary move
[22:33] <diddledan_> try `dpkg -l | grep amazon` to see if it's an installed package
[22:33] <daftykins> might be shopping related
[22:35] <diddledan_> speaking of similarities, why are the unity-webapps-* packages still in the repo when the unity webapp mechanism is dead?
[22:35] <diddledan_> e.g. unity-webapps-youtube
[22:36] <diddledan_> unless I'm confusing them with something else?
[22:41] <daftykins> !info unity-webapps-youtube
[22:41] <daftykins> heh ok that was not greater information :P
[22:41] <diddledan_> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/05/what-happened-ubuntu-unity-web-app-integration
[22:43] <m0nkey_> I just deleted the shortcut from /usr/share/applications
[22:44] <m0nkey_> Probably not the most elegant.
[22:44] <m0nkey_> Yay, my PSU is on it's way back from Seasonic
[22:53] <daftykins> \o/
[22:54]  * zmoylan-1i refrains from cheering till m0nkey_ report that 1) it's arrived 2) in one piece 3) they still have the same number of eyebrows after installing it and switching it on 4) it works
[22:57] <diddledan_> and 4) the serial number is NOT the same as the unit you sent
[23:00] <m0nkey_> diddledan_, i know it's not the same serial, it's a refurb unit
[23:00] <m0nkey_> apparently mine died a death on the way there.. when tested it had no power
[23:01] <daftykins> now they'll send you a new refurb over and over 'til your warranty runs out :(
[23:04] <m0nkey_> as long as it works
[23:05] <m0nkey_> still got another 5 years on the warranty
[23:14] <daftykins> "You are not allowed to edit this page." https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook3-1/Xenial?action=edit
[23:14] <daftykins> well that's quite the brick wall
[23:18] <daftykins> anyone else got an account to try? could just be me
[23:21] <daftykins> looks like you need membership of https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-wiki-editors
[23:21] <daftykins> popey: psst how does one get permitted to make wiki edits?
[23:22] <diddledan_> doesn't membership of etherpad group work?
[23:22] <diddledan_> no, I've got the wrong name
[23:22] <diddledan_> let me check
[23:27] <daftykins> it's definitely about membership
[23:31] <m0nkey_> what the heck is snap? a new package manager?
[23:31] <daftykins> not quite
[23:32] <diddledan_> daftykins: you need to be a member of ubuntu-etherpad on launchpad
[23:33] <diddledan_> daftykins: oh no, that page specifically says it doesn't allow access to the wiki :-/
[23:34] <daftykins> :D
[23:34] <diddledan_> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-etherpad
[23:34] <daftykins> it's the one i linked already, chief
[23:43] <ali1234> help.ubuntu.com is different from wiki.ubuntu.com
[23:43] <daftykins> oh well, we'll see if anyone responds
[23:43] <daftykins> it's quite a mess logging into the different sites...
[23:43] <daftykins> amazingly slow too
[23:44] <ali1234> should all be openid
[23:44] <ali1234> yeah it's very slow
[23:44] <daftykins> logged into one, still hit login pages on everything else