[01:58] Who's a good e-mail hosting provider? Obviously Fastmail, but looking for others. [01:58] And no, I'm not hosting it myself. I don't need to deal with that anymore. [01:58] g suite :> [01:59] There is that. [02:02] what time do apple do their thing tomorrow? [02:03] m0nkey_: you could also use office365 in place of gsuite if you fancy avoiding google [02:04] i was gonna look that up [02:04] apple usually announce 1800 or so [02:04] 6pm [02:04] 10am pst [02:04] yip [02:05] ta [02:05] i guess that answers when we 4 shall meet again ;) [02:05] but the vim hit squad will be protesting the launch of a laptop with no esc key so expect delays :-) [02:06] m0nkey_: you're invited to watch along and rip into Apple since you are the replacement Shauno! [02:06] I tried running emacs several years ago. it's probably still running somewhere because I couldn't figure out how to quit [02:06] it's probably still loading... [02:07] apparently it's possible to run emacs inside emacs for when you're in emacs and you really need to be using emacs [02:07] if you draw an 'e' on two apple machines does that also machine it's *on* emacs? [02:07] it's emacs all the way down [02:08] emaception [02:08] What happened to Shauno? And why am I his replacement? [02:09] shauno had a shitty day and rage quitted when i made a joke about his love of all things apple [02:09] m0nkey_: you're his replacement because you're active this time of day :-p [02:09] he was quite one with the cult [02:09] it was probably a joke about the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil [02:09] of the tree of knowledge** [02:10] * m0nkey_ has quit (Quit: GOD DAMNIT, I EFFIN LOVE APPLE!!!!!!1) [02:10] :) [02:10] NOOOOOOOooooooooo.......... [02:10] (the .s are small o's) [02:10] i don't think it was helped as he was getting a weird apple bug that day [02:10] i thought it was zmoylan-pi's line that he ragequit on anywho [02:10] I'm not quite prepared to rage quit yet. [02:11] wait till you see the new laptop has no ports whatsoever... [02:11] seems it's gonna have 4 x USB C which makes it pretty useless [02:11] I hear you just throw it in the trash when the battery runs out [02:11] Then buy a new one [02:11] lol [02:11] genius [02:12] apple aside, shauno was a good fella though :< [02:12] I've tried selling my MBA, but no bugger wants to take it off my hands. [02:12] m0nkey_: presumably you might be doing something at 6pm blighty time though? [02:12] someone is gonna invent a qi-charging laptop that requires you to place a mat on your lap and the laptop on top of the mat to charge it [02:12] that's gonna be a warm lap [02:12] daftykins, that'll be around 1pm [02:12] they'll now gradually have fewer and fewer buttons on them and maybe lose the hinge and finally charge a few grand for a fragile etch-a-sketch [02:12] I'll be at work [02:12] yeah, you need to work then? [02:12] d'aww [02:13] Meh, I'll just stream it. [02:13] Office bandwidth can deal with it. [02:13] Plus my interwebs is unfiltered. [02:13] zmoylan-pi: don't they already have one of those? i.e. the iPad [02:13] you have to be on supported tech to watch XD [02:13] i'll wait till i see what the news is pop up in my rss reader.. [02:13] it usually prompts about 500 articles on mine [02:13] ms edge is supported strangely [02:13] but chrome isn't [02:13] ja [02:13] but the ipad has no twiddly knobs on the front... the mac book pro 2020 will be an etch-a-sketch [02:13] The whole office is behind a Websense filter. Expect for a few IP addresses, which I got approval for, are not :) [02:14] ooh, twiddly knobs sound fun [02:14] It helps to know the top network guys ;) [02:14] like the twiddly knob on the new surface studio thing [02:15] that one you can take-off and walk away with it [02:15] i do see them going missing or running out of a charge when really needed alright [02:15] my friend in Houston works for a big software dev firm, they just took away the public use side wifi network SSID so they can't put their phones online anymore - AND cut all their patch leads so all their work machines are on wifi - insane. [02:15] wat [02:16] you only get it if you preorder and wait 'til 2017 i saw XD [02:16] that sounds like a management decision... [02:16] full on manglement yeah [02:16] * zmoylan-pi wonders how slow their network is now [02:16] here's a good idea: take a cruddy 802.11g router and put 1500 computers on the wifi [02:17] that sounds horrendus [02:17] 2-3 reboots a day and you're golden [02:17] thing is her team of ~5 are working on performance testing their Azure setup... :) [02:17] hah [02:17] good luck with that [02:17] apparently their tubes did 360Mb before on wired and is now down to 60Mb [02:17] "is the server slow or is it just us?" [02:17] \o/ [02:17] mind i held onto a 286 for testing programmes on into pentium desktop territory so my code ran fast [02:18] seems to me like the equivalent of telling a plumber they can't work with liquids anymore [02:27] someone should attach the slowest oldest device they have to the wifi network to make that sucker crawl [02:28] meh, dual-band now :P [02:28] get an 802.11b device on there :-D [02:28] triple band already being sold in fact [02:28] aww [02:28] no fair [02:30] i'm sure someone has made a gizmo that will clog up the wifi bandwidth... intentionally or unintentionally [02:31] client phoned me up from Spain before, told me he was using the older ADSL service on the sketchy phone line that drops out often [02:31] OK, I'm out guys. [02:31] i asked why 1) that hadn't been cancelled a few months back like we intended and 2) why he wasn't just using the fast service he pays for [02:32] nn m0nkey_ \o [02:32] o/ [02:33] `\o/` [02:34] ¯\o/¯ [02:34] ooh are those pom poms diddledan_ ? [02:34] there we go [02:36] ˙\o/˙ [02:36] pompoms there maybe? [02:36] mac vulcan-keypresses can get funky letters [02:38] i kinda expected a mac vulcan keypress to engage sleep :D [02:39] *\o/* would be poms poms [02:40] or ninja stars [02:40] well since the macbook repair i characterise diddledan_ as poor you see, so the pom poms have shrunk [02:40] (totally not a stretch explanation) [02:43] think I'm gonna hit the hay too [02:44] o/ [02:44] yep sounds about that time [06:18] morning boys and girls. [08:53] Morning all === layke is now known as Guest99576 === brmbrmca1 is now known as brmbrmcar [10:43] does anyone use remarkable markdown editor? [10:43] preview window does not scroll with editing text, and jumps to top of screen always [10:53] i use atom [10:53] i appear to have that installed [10:53] too [10:54] it has a nice side-by-side markdown editor [10:54] how do i turn on preview mode? [10:54] in the side pane [10:55] ctrl+shift+m [10:55] ta [10:56] shame, since remarkable is actually nicer for simple stuff [10:58] https://github.com/jamiemcg/Remarkable/issues/25 [11:01] Gnome Builder can also show you markdown [11:03] markdown ftw [11:03] morning [11:22] * diddledan_ wanders off to find a jumper [12:49] is mycroft out yet? [12:52] ah, minimum 4 weeks away [12:53] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFyyeRESXTE need to be able to do that with it [13:01] sigh. new kernel (dirtycow fix) fails to resume from suspend [13:03] i just had to type apt install yum [13:03] feel sad now [13:04] I wish I had such options! [13:04] * SuperMatt curses being forced to use a mac for work [13:04] my colleague resigned and had a new job lined up [13:04] foudn out at last min he would be using a mac. withdrew his resignation [13:05] that's a bit extreme [13:05] It took a couple of days, but my mac is acting more gnome like these days [13:05] SuperMatt, New mac or old mac? [13:06] You could always sneak ubuntu onto it! :P [13:08] hahah, that's a bit mental [13:09] i would feel the same. its a symptom of enforced working procedures when you are used to your own workflows and bashrc and vimrc etc [13:09] next thing u have to load a windows VM to access the HR website and you hate your life [13:11] I quite like that we get laptop budget and you choose whatever you want [13:11] some people buy macs and run ubuntu in a vm, others use the money for house improvements and just keep their 6 year old laptop :) [13:14] popey: That almost reads like it should be treated more as a benefit in kind. [13:14] i waited for over a year before choosing to get a second hand thinkpad :) [13:15] I can't recall how much it is, but it's more than enough to buy a decent laptop [13:15] just most people don't [13:15] * TwistedLucidity gets given corporate kit, with the corporate install, corporate control, corporate issues... [13:15] pocket the difference I guess. [13:15] yeah, i used to be there. never really had a crap laptop from work back then... although there was one fujitsu I had for a while which was pretty bad [13:16] "Your PC will now reboot" NO NO NO I'm mid-compile! Noooooooooooooooooooooooo! [13:16] got replaced when the encrypted windows install went bad [13:16] oh, yeah, don't miss that [13:17] although, with latest snappy install.... [13:17] reboot scheduled to update the system - temporarily cancel with 'sudo shutdown -c' [13:17] The system is going down for reboot NOW! [13:17] kaboom [13:17] do i need an invite to join a paticular slack channel? [13:17] yes [13:17] sigh [13:17] irc for hipsters [13:17] unless you have an email address in their whitelisted domains [13:17] oooooh, talking about slack on irc... that's just sad... :-) [13:18] e.g. for the ubuntu slack, it's @ubuntu.com or @canonical.com which are whitelisted [13:19] Anyone seen error like this at the end of "apt update"? E: Unable to change to (unreachable)/folder/ - chdir (2: No such file or directory) [13:20] erk [13:20] no [13:20] checked your sources list for errors? [13:20] Got one server that does it all the bloody time. Works fine if I run from root [13:20] broken /var [13:20] ls sources.list.d [13:20] or maybe you're running apt in a directory that just got deleted ? [13:21] Nope. Does it all the time if you are not in / [13:21] I've read a few questions about it, but neve found an answer. [13:21] "broken /var"? [13:23] /etc/apt/sources.list.d looks fine, only one entry [13:25] and sources.list? [13:27] Does "apt-get" do the same? [13:28] Yeah, pretty sure. Upgrades running just now.... [13:30] That's weird, why the heck is it listing Trusty? [13:31] Ach, haven't moved that one to Xenial yet; that's why. It's been doing this for an age though. [14:55] TwistedLucidity: do you maybe have a local (on your disk) apt repo configured with a relative path? [14:56] It's possible, diddledan_, this server has been futzed around with since 12.04. How would I check? [14:56] TwistedLucidity: in your sources.list and sources.list.d/*.list [14:57] /etc/apt/sources.list is all "deb http://..." [14:57] hmm [14:57] those won't be local then :-p [14:57] /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ only has emby and I'm pretty sure that's fine [14:57] really odd [14:57] Aye, it's fine. [14:58] Started in 13.10 I think; just never managed to solve it [14:58] maybe some config elsewhere is wonky. try looking through the other apt config files for relative paths [14:59] most likely candidates are in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d I believe [15:11] diddledan_: Ta. [16:29] daftykins: you here yet? 30 minutes till expensive shiny [16:29] zmoylan-pi: and you! [16:40] hi! [16:40] just did a last minute M&S dash, left the house at about 5:12pm and got some shopping in before 5:30 closing ;) [16:41] \o/ [16:41] and their android pay machines were working again \o/ [16:44] MS business prices rising by 22%?! (listening to the ubupodcast) [16:50] the broadcast is up with beats1 music holding img [16:50] image* [16:53] yeah it's beginning to get annoying using your currency :P [16:54] use euros :-p [16:54] you're lucky like that [16:54] naw can't [16:55] nice sky tonight [16:55] woah [16:55] cloudy here :-( [16:55] just as I typed that someone at the top of the hill let off a firework [16:55] o0 [16:55] it's not really dark enough for that ... [16:55] oh golly, it's that time of year again.. I forgot all about htat [16:55] me too :( [16:56] how many weeks will we have to suffer? [16:56] bah humbug! [16:57] I like minty humbugs! [16:58] mmm i just tried crumpets with nutella on [16:59] :-o [17:03] it begins [17:04] ok here comes the numbers and self congratulatory rubbish... :P [17:07] yey, it's the adjective we're ever verbed [17:08] we've* [17:08] so easy to quote review sites when you ban the unbiased ones from doing any :D [17:11] hi all [17:11] lo [17:11] ooh, new tv [17:11] that wasn't rumoured [17:12] yeah you're slightly ahead already :P [17:12] lol [17:12] only about 5 secs [17:12] are you getting occasional buffering? [17:12] nope al smooth [17:12] +l [17:12] odd that you're behind otherwise [17:12] Anyone else here had problems with snappy/ubuntu single sign on? [17:13] wat. minecrack?! [17:13] selinuxium: best to take it to #ubuntu if you want support right now [17:13] really need to see finding dory! [17:13] I love pixar [17:14] I'm a butch manly man, obviously [17:14] I will. I just land here... Was interested, that's all. [17:14] yeah, just steering you to the relevant spot :P [17:15] Gettting over surgery and thought I could take the time to 'up skill'.. [17:15] sounds like a plan [17:15] Since when is learning something up skilling? [17:16] err you seem to be arguing with yourself there [17:16] [17:16] diddledan_: dunno about you but this is all useless XD [17:16] Something I have come used to... [17:16] Finding Dory is great :) [17:16] twitter crap though [17:17] the ONE place!! [17:17] their boxes are always underpowered rubbish [17:17] I predicted that name before he got to it [17:18] :P [17:18] i bet you said 'iTV' [17:19] wonder if it'll work with plex [17:19] haha === brmbrmca1 is now known as brmbrmcar [17:19] will it also integrate with my automated piracy system? [17:27] ...your fingers? [17:27] no new tv hardware then [17:29] yep, 4th gen can't even do 4K [17:29] ruh roh freenodelag [17:32] not scrimping on the superlatives then [17:32] some very bold claims there [17:33] yep it really is USB C only! XD [17:33] idiots++ [17:33] the adjective we've ever verbed! [17:33] * zmoylan-1i wanders in after a nice walk to shops === zmoylan-1i is now known as zmoylan-pi [17:34] :> welcome back sir [17:34] you're just in time for the new stupid macs with USB C ports only [17:34] and no rs232c?! :-D [17:35] not even one! [17:35] that's a huge trackpad [17:35] and me with a good solid 9600baud fax modem that needs supporting [17:36] the adjective we've ever verbed! [17:36] no it doesn't ;) [17:39] Art Lebedev wanted to do this years ago with that OLED keyboard [17:40] folks are going to need to learn to be like fighter pilots, operating their eyes independantly to have one look at each display... [17:40] in the 90s i thought touchscreens were the wave of the future for keyboards and general input... then i started to use them for point of sales systems... [17:40] that must've been the early resistive tech though? :> [17:40] think of the malware that makes the esc button a send credit card info button... [17:42] the really early touch screens were adapters for crts with you breaking the beam in a surrounding bezel. made it easier as you weren't touching electronics or plastics, just solid glass which would need to be wiped clean a few times per day [17:43] zmoylan-pi: before those they had gimbals to mount the monitor onto which measured how much the monitor rocks and in which direction to calculate the position of touch [17:44] had those too... just a little calibration software when you moved it to a new location and they were grand [17:44] when did emoji become so relevant? o0 [17:44] when the egyptians build their pyramids [17:44] urinating dog urinating dog [17:44] he didn't even command+tab between apps :( [17:46] diddledan_: i've been all these places :D [17:46] Coit tower there in SF [17:50] the adjective we've ever verbed! [17:50] ;] [17:50] the adjective we've ever verbed! [17:53] the adjective we've ever verbed! [17:53] and yet all these are using last gen skylake [17:55] £59.99 cable ;) [17:57] and with the way the pound is going it'll be double that if you wait till december... [18:03] can someone please slap diddledan_ he seems to be stuck in a loop [18:04] he's just enamoured with the Apple staff ;) [18:05] SYNERGY! [18:05] I need to capitalise on the shared synergy [18:05] sin + energy [18:06] hopefully I'll improve the return on investment and penetrate the market [18:07] diddledan_: you know you're allowed to use whole sentences you're note the one try to catchphrase the next apple product out the door [18:11] whole sentences are for [18:12] yey, they've got the requisite jonny ice video [18:12] ive* [18:12] they'd charge more if it was ice as he'd be so much cooler then... [18:14] Jonny Five bit over [18:17] jonny five would be better :D [18:17] at we know he's alive [18:17] *at least we [18:17] Hey laser lips your momma was a snow blower [18:18] XD [18:23] and that's a wrap [18:23] I almost typed warp, then [18:24] that would be preferable [18:24] is it just me or did diddledan_ just say I almost time warped then :D [18:25] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkplPbd2f60 [18:37] uk prices are following the apple tradition of $1 === £1 [18:37] http://www.apple.com/uk/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro/13-inch [18:37] base model 1449 [18:38] high-end 15inch is 2699 [18:38] what is this the late 80s?! [18:39] oh, they do a 15inch without the touch bar too [18:39] that's 1899 [18:40] what else is cut out of that spec though [18:40] * diddledan_ shrugs [18:40] oh gfx [18:40] that's only got iris [18:42] the 13 without the touchbar is 1249 [18:43] already nicknamed the gropebar... [18:44] oh it's confusing. they've got some old models on the same page with the new ones and there's no clear distinction which is which [18:44] so I may be mistaken about some of what I just said above [18:45] diddledan_: Who cares we don't use MAC :P [18:46] * diddledan_ ragequits [18:46] diddledan_: rage against the machine not against the quits [18:50] omw they want 2 grand for a machine with only 8GB RAM [18:50] (13") [18:51] ooh, "now you see me 2" is released tomorrow [18:51] \o/ [18:51] daftykins: yeah that's sucky nuts [18:51] people already have their orders in, in my irish linux channel... [18:51] daftykins: I think I prefer the surface book at those prices [18:51] zmoylan-pi: seriously? :P [18:52] zmoylan-pi: but linux won't be able to drive the magic bar [18:52] touch bar [18:52] i thought so much more of the Irish until then! [18:52] wtf [18:53] h265 video takes an age to transcode [18:53] as-in transcoding mpeg2 to h265 [18:53] you must be doing it in software [18:53] yeah [18:54] not on GPU or with intel quicksync [18:54] handbrake doesn't seem to support h265 hardware at all [18:54] on windows it supports quicksync h264 [18:54] unless they do separate beta editions [18:54] on linux no hardware acceleration at all [18:54] figures :> [18:55] it's taking about 30 minutes per dvd rip [18:56] total waste of time reprocessing SD content, sir [18:56] which when you consider I have about 200 DVDs to do [18:56] space! [18:56] right, space is cheap [18:56] I'm reprocessing it to reduce the size - 200 * 5GB == lots [18:56] i'd rather buy a 2TB disk for ~£65 and dump 'em all as 1:1 ISO than go to all that faff :) [18:56] where 200 * 600 to 1GB is much better [18:57] and then it's still SD and looks worse :> [18:58] if I were to buy a new HDD it would have to be a pair of disks to RAID1 them [18:58] sounds good [18:59] mostly because it will be a pain to re-rip all the hundreds of disks AGAIN [18:59] so I want there to be a bit of protection against disk death [18:59] discs ;) [18:59] yeah, those [18:59] hands off! [18:59] I don't want you killing my discs! [19:00] yeah the test server behind me has the clients old 8 x 2TB in RAID6 with his ~1000 DVD collection ripped to [19:00] \o/ [19:00] all 1:1 as ISO [19:00] I tried using dd to rip some of these to iso but it complained that the disc was encrypted and so I wasn't authorised to rip them [19:01] I forget the actual dmesg message [19:01] I figure my DVD drive firmware is requiring a CSS decryption key to be presented before it'll let raw access to occur [19:02] it's a blurry drive, so it's got all sorts of modern shenanigans I suspect [19:02] yeah you have to decrypt [19:03] we hired a kid to rip all the discs back at the time :> [19:04] I thought I'd be able to bitstream it to iso though including the encrypted stuff but play it back using a libdvdcss-using app [19:04] that's not what bitstreaming is :) [19:05] well I mean make a bit-for-bit copy of the iso [19:05] disc* [19:05] don't worry you can still have USB A! http://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/MJ1M2ZM/A/usb-c-to-usb-adapter?fnode=8b [19:05] £19 pls [19:05] so the iso file includes all the encrypted stuff as it is on the disc without being decrypted first [19:05] but my hardware said I wasn't allowed [19:05] or £69 - http://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/MJ1K2ZM/A/usb-c-digital-av-multiport-adapter?fnode=8b [19:06] diddledan_: not the way we did it no, dumped 'em all decrypted to make life easier for Kodi [19:06] makemkv is good though [19:07] diddledan_: just cat /dev/sr0 to a file ;) [19:07] you can't [19:07] daftykins: shhhh [19:07] I used dd, but yeah, tried that [19:08]