[00:02] <cmaloney> I swear ES6 fixes most of the things that  irritate me about JavaScript
[01:34] <cmaloney> Evening
[01:42] <jrwren> yup, es6 is nice
[11:45] <cmaloney> morning
[11:53] <brousch__> yessir
[12:03] <cmaloney> how goes?
[12:30] <brousch__> Plodding along
[12:32] <cmaloney> whee
[13:08] <jrwren> hahahaha, look at hte placement of the 6, and then wonder WTF... http://www.peterbristol.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Microsoft-Sculpt-Keyboard-Peter-Bristol-1.jpg
[13:09] <cmaloney> Totes designed for touch typing
[13:09] <cmaloney> if you're a pianist
[13:10] <jrwren> lol
[13:11] <jrwren> it astounds me that visual design trumps usability to that degree.
[13:11] <jrwren> or... I overestimate teh value people put into touch typing.
[13:11] <rick_h_> jrwren: come on, most typing is done on a flat glass screen with autocorrect anyway
[13:12] <rick_h_> an you can't touch type numbers, everyone knows that. If you cared about that you'd have a usb keypad
[13:13] <jrwren> oh rick_h_ I thought you were serious for a good 1.5s there and was SHOCKED at what I was reading. Consider using a sarcams smiley :)
[13:13] <rick_h_> jrwren: :P I was saving it
[13:14] <rick_h_> jrwren: there was some honesty at the start, my wife uses her phone for nearly all computing other than her medical charts these days
[13:14] <jrwren> good one! it did help your cause.
[13:14] <rick_h_> it's amazing to me
[13:14] <jrwren> rick_h_: that is why I was SHOCKED at first, because there IS truth to what you are saying.
[13:15] <rick_h_> jrwren: and the comment is also rooted in my wish that they made thigs like the Palm Pre still because I'd love to have a keyboard again even though the world has spoken
[13:15] <jrwren> didn't blackberry recently make an android with a physical kb?
[13:16] <jrwren> err... not recently in phone world, but about 2yrs ago?
[13:16] <rick_h_> yea
[13:16] <rick_h_> but then you'd be stuck with that as your phone
[13:16] <jrwren> rick_h_: I'm surprised you aren't into those swiping based keyboards.
[13:16] <rick_h_> jrwren: meh, I was for a while
[13:16] <rick_h_> but I found that after a lot of use they actually get  worse at word guessing
[13:16] <jrwren> ugh.
[13:16] <jrwren> machine learning FTW! :p
[13:17] <rick_h_> yea, something like that...
[13:17] <rick_h_> so I was working on trying to wipe the profile after a while and such
[13:17] <rick_h_> I ended up gonig back to just typing
[13:17] <cmaloney> I swipe more than type
[13:17] <cmaloney> but I did pick up a bluetooth keyboard for the tablet
[13:18] <cmaloney> It's a cheap Logitech keyboard: http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/multi-device-keyboard-k380
[13:18] <cmaloney> in grey
[13:18] <cmaloney> Sorry, "black"
[13:19] <cmaloney> It's surprisingly good
[13:19] <rick_h_> cool, yea I <3 bt keyboards on tablets when I used mine a lot
[13:19] <cmaloney> Much better than the one with the trough in it that feels like a toy
[13:19] <jrwren> someone did character sketches of each presenter and used them as the stills for each video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbKtpLHjG1I&feature=youtu.be&list=PLQ8PmP_dnN7L5OVT95uXJAE78qcGCcDVm&ab_channel=hupstream
[13:19] <rick_h_> hah that's awesome
[13:20] <cmaloney> Very cool
[13:21] <jrwren> you can scroll them here: https://kernel-recipes.org/en/2016/all-the-videos/
[13:22] <cmaloney> Yeah, I just subscribed to this channel
[13:23] <cmaloney> (which means I'll see a nice number next to it in a list for the rest of time)
[14:56] <brousch__> Best tablet keyboard I've used https://store.google.com/product/pixel_c
[15:03] <shakes808> brousch__: how do you like the tablet itself?
[15:07] <brousch__> It's nice. I prefer 8", but it's still nice. The magnet connectors for keyboard are nifty
[15:32] <shakes808> is it like the surface?
[16:09] <greg-g> re that horrible keyboard from this morning: and it has a physical switch for the Fn/special keys? that's real annoying
[16:15] <cmaloney> I hate that trend
[16:17] <cmaloney> The whole "use FN to et function keys" trend
[16:19] <jrwren> i'm actually fine with it.
[16:19] <cmaloney> Get. Out
[16:19] <jrwren> My razer has the equiv. you hold down the FN key and it toggles the lock.
[16:19] <jrwren> hey... at least you can toggle it easily, unlike anything APPLE where its not F1-12 by default and to toggle it you have to launch settings app
[16:20] <jrwren> what would you rather? media keys?
[16:20] <cmaloney> This keyboard Ihave doesn't toggle
[16:20] <jrwren> ok?
[16:20] <cmaloney> The media keys are mostly useless for me
[16:21] <cmaloney> But I can see why people want them
[16:22] <greg-g> jrwren: wait, really? I haven't had a recent apple, you need to launch an app to get usuable Fn keys? On Carrie's oooold white macbook it had a "Fn" key next to ctrl
[16:22] <jrwren> i use play and volume control. Love those.
[16:22] <jrwren> but I love them as alt Fn keys
[16:22] <jrwren> not as dedicated media keys
[18:45] <greg-g> actually, that's the nice part of my thinkpad x230: the separate mute/up/down volume controls above the Fn keys. So useful in low-light situations