[03:15] <dbrass> I would have a general question about the kernel supports in ubuntu touch for the LG Nexus 5. From my understanding, UT is using android's kernel with an abstraction layer. With kernel 4.9 addind mainline support for the LG Nexis 5, would it be possible to run UT on the mainline kernel without the abstraction layer? Would it be possible to run a kernel without patches from the SOC manufacturer?
[05:52] <sakrecoer> hi, i just insterted a second SIM in my bq e5 with the latest OTA. the sim is detected, i can enter pin. but it wont register.
[05:53] <sakrecoer> my first sim was actualy insterted in slot 2
[05:53] <sakrecoer> but with 2 SIM it only register the card in slot 1
[05:53] <sakrecoer> it worked for both once for about 5 minutes...
[05:53] <sakrecoer> worked for both *slots once for about 5 minutes.
[05:54] <sakrecoer> websearch gives very poor info about dual sim usecase.
[05:54] <sakrecoer> my IMEI is all good...
[05:54] <sakrecoer> both of them...
[05:54] <sakrecoer> i haven't done any changes to the phone, except OTA upgrades..
[05:55] <sakrecoer> if i swap the sims they register to their respective networks, but only slot one does..
[05:55] <sakrecoer> any idea how i could trouble shoot this?
[05:56] <sakrecoer> i get the sensation that the second slot has no access to antena, because it finds 0 providers...
[06:05] <sakrecoer> eh...classic case of 'ask the question and it automagically' solves... although, it says i'm on roaming while i am clearly registered to the correct network...
[06:56] <simon_> hii
[07:00] <simon_> testing ubuntu  phone nexus pass code is entering it self and locking me out
[07:01] <simon_> for 5 minutes happening 3 times today
[07:07] <anpok> simon_: we have seen that happen sometimes - but we have not enough clues to figure out how to detect that.. and then in the kernel and maybe restart the touchscreens..
[07:09] <simon_> touch has been crappy  for a few days todays update made it worse with the auto password getting entered and locking me out 5 minutes
[07:10] <simon_> i may have to go to stable for a bit till yhis is fixed
[07:11] <anpok> so you think this is related to a recent update?
[07:11] <anpok> please make a bug report ..
[07:12] <anpok> you are on rc-proposed?
[07:12] <simon_> well ive been usung phone and updating dayly for months this is first time ive seen this issue
[07:12] <simon_> rc-proposed nexus 4
[07:13] <simon_> nexus 4 rc proposed
[07:13] <anpok> ok .. will try that
[07:14] <simon_> yes rc-proposed
[07:16] <simon_> installing 559 now ill see ill test phone tommorow maybe hardware prob
[09:29] <javier4__> #eliteBNC
[11:35] <kaisoz> hi there
[12:34] <Tm_T> hello hello
[16:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[16:44] <BabyMax> can i have help installing touch on my phone
[16:44] <dobey> !devices | BabyMax
[16:44] <ubot5`> BabyMax: You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[16:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> BabyMax, hmmm so computer nad phone at once?
[16:45] <BabyMax> it wont open
[16:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> was just messaging with you in #ubuntu about computer
[16:46] <Maxaroth> ya
[16:46] <Maxaroth> i really do like ubuntu
[16:46] <Maxaroth> but i did have one question about ubuntu touch befour i install it
[16:47] <dobey> ask it then
[16:47] <Maxaroth> can i still use android applications?
[16:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Maxaroth, which phone?
[16:48] <dobey> no
[16:48] <Maxaroth> oh
[16:48] <dobey> you cannot run android apps on ubuntu phone
[16:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Maxaroth, and no Ubuntu Touch does not support  Android apps, there are other Linux based alternative mobile osees that do though
[16:48] <Maxaroth> um lg H345 leon
[16:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I don't thinik you can currently
[16:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> unless someone has done a port
[16:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> for that phone
[16:48] <Maxaroth> well android is linux pased
[16:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but I don't think they have
[16:48] <Maxaroth> k
[16:49] <Maxaroth> ill probably wait till it is
[16:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Maxaroth, Android is different
[16:49] <Maxaroth> yeah
[16:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD>  dobey yeah Ubuntu touch suicks big time, since it won't support Android apps.  I am joking :)
[16:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Ubuntu Touch is awesome for what it is :)
[16:50] <Maxaroth> yeah i...
[16:50] <Maxaroth> ooh can i use ubuntu touck in an virtual machine?
[16:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> no don't think so, but may be a sort of emulater ou there or not
[16:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Maxaroth, if you run the Ubuntu 16.10
[16:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Unity 8 session
[16:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> well there you go
[16:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> you got something that's similar to Ubuntu touch
[16:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but you'll need a graphics card that works, for that to even work
[16:52] <Maxaroth> yeah i have looked at it a few times
[16:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> it's like that
[16:52] <Maxaroth> my main monitor for some reason detects as a touchpad
[16:52] <davmor2> Maxaroth: you can run unity8 desktop session
[16:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> davmor2, yep as I just put
[16:52] <davmor2> SebthreeBQM10HD: hadn't got that far
[17:05] <seth_> Is there a simple way to get xenial on turbo? I've tried the to use the devel-proposed channel, but I don't see the device listed
[17:09] <seth_> 2016/10/28 13:08:59 Device is |turbo| Device turbo not found on server https://system-image.ubuntu.com channel ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed/meizu.en
[17:10] <seth_> ubuntu-device-flash query --device=turbo --list-channels does not list a devel/16.04 channel
[17:14] <dobey> devel-proposed is yakkety (or maybe zesty now) anyway, not xenial
[17:14] <dobey> no, there's currently no way to install 16.04 on a phone
[17:17] <seth_> Thanks dobey. Let me show you what I was looking at that made me think that I could.
[17:18] <seth_> Development (proposed channels)  Automatically built images from the latest devel series (currently ubuntu/xenial). This is the channel is to be used by developers for system development purposes only, absolutely no guarantee of stability.  ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed/ubuntu   Devel channel with the community custom tarball
[17:18] <seth_> from this link: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/phone/devices/image-channels/
[17:19] <dobey> yes, someone hasn't updated that in a long time
[17:19] <davmor2> seth_: old info at the time of writing it was correct
[17:20] <davmor2> seth_: note the currently it moved on to yakkety and now onto zesty
[17:20] <dobey> even if you could install xenial on your phone, you wouldn't want to right now.
[17:22] <seth_> Are yakkety and zesty installable even if they're not quite usable?
[17:22] <dobey> devel-proposed is "installable" sure
[17:22] <dobey> but afaik doesn't boot
[17:23] <dobey> for turbo you need the -pd channel i think
[17:23] <dobey> meizu-pd.en
[17:24] <seth_> interesting
[17:24] <seth_> thanks.
[17:24] <dobey> but like i said, i don't think it even boots, and if it does somehow manage to boot, there's very little you could actually do with it at the moment
[17:25] <dobey> there's no benefit to installing that instead of the stable or rc-proposed channel
[17:25] <seth_> I get this when I try: ubuntu-device-flash touch --device=turbo --channel=ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed/meizu-pd.en WARNING You are about to flash your phone with a development image - continue at your own risk! There is absolutely no guarantee that even the most basic phone functions will work. 2016/10/28 13:24:22 Device is |turbo| Channel ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed/meizu-pd.en not found on server https://system-image.ubuntu.com
[17:25] <seth_> well, there are some specific bug fixes that are patched in bluez that I've been trying to resolve
[17:25] <dobey> oh the -pd channels don't have devel-proposed
[17:26] <seth_> I updated the latest firmware from meizu and built them into the system.img
[17:26] <dobey> what specific bug fixes? afaik anything that would affect our phones should have also gone into the stable or rc-proposed channels
[17:26] <seth_> and when that didn't work, I thought, let me try a later version just as mindless troubleshooting
[17:28] <seth_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+bug/1539158 #29
[17:28] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1539158 in bluez (Ubuntu) "Unable to pair with in-car hands-free system after OTA-9 update" [High,Confirmed]
[17:28] <seth_> it's a pair problem
[17:28] <seth_> there
[17:28] <seth_> but
[17:29] <dobey> iirc, that update was before turbo was released, and when we switched to bluez5
[17:29] <seth_> Several people are reporting similar problems, however the main bug that I'll copy in a moment is when bluetooth switches to headset for a call, everything is garbled
[17:30] <seth_> the same headsets work fine with the MX4
[17:30] <seth_> it seems to be just a turbo thing, that's why I built a new system.img initially
[17:30] <dobey> with the same version of ubuntu?
[17:30] <davmor2> seth_: known issue on mx5
[17:31] <dobey> well the turbo is different hardware
[17:31] <seth_> yeah, I've seen it discussed a lot that's why I wanted to help
[17:32] <seth_> I tried "new" bcm.bin files from meizu
[17:32] <seth_> so I'm scratching my head thinking about what to try next
[17:33] <dobey> ok, so you don't know that a newer bluez actually has fixes for the bugs
[17:33] <seth_> interestingly enough it seems that the new modem.bin provides different behavior as well
[17:34] <seth_> correct, I don't know. I just want to try and test and report back
[17:35] <seth_> the old modem.bin didn't appear to be for turbo, it has the signature of being for the mx4.
[17:36] <seth_> I've been trying to find out what's been going on with a modem issue and the bluetooth issue so there's been some overlap
[17:40] <seth_> the old modem.bin gives me:  Revision = S333_M86_20151002_CHNOPEN_MZ024 versus Revision = S333_M86_20160406_CHNOPEN_MZ036
[17:41] <seth_> from what I've seen MZ024 is MX4 and MZ036 is Pro 5. Sorry to dump all this. I'm about to get on a flight and just wanted to jot a few things down and ask about running 16.04. I appreciate the feedback
[17:42] <seth_> so I started thinking that the drivers for the bluetooth might be off too, but they didn't fix the problem
[18:26] <pasko_> Hello. I'm thinking about buying an Ubuntu Tablet. Is it possible to get root access in these devices? Thanx
[18:31] <dobey> you can do whatever you want with it, yes
[18:32] <mcphail> pasko_: afaik, you have root on all Ubuntu devices
[18:32] <dobey> but why do you need root?
[18:32] <k1l_> iirc most users have a wrong conception of root from the iOS or Android usage of the term.
[18:32] <pasko_> I've spent the afternnon reading about it and most of them say that root partition is mounted read-only.
[18:32] <dobey> yes it is
[18:33] <dobey> and you shouldn't change it to not be readonly, really
[18:33] <k1l_> pasko_: you can make that writeable if you want. but the system is similar to android update system. which works best if you dont change the system stuff.
[18:33] <pasko_> Because in this case I would stop atuomatic updates, right?
[18:34] <dobey> the root partition is not the full size of the storage chip. there isn't a lot of room to do anything in the root fs
[18:34] <k1l_> it doesnt use apt but uses click packages. btw, is there a plan if and when it will change to snaps?
[18:35] <k1l_> pasko_: you still get updates, but its not sure if the update will work if the base system is changed too much. that is the point why one should leave it ro.
[18:35] <dobey> if you want to install traditional apps, you can do it via a libertine container
[18:35] <pasko_> ok. Thank you. Now I get it.
[18:36] <pasko_> Also, I would like to use openvpn client, firefox (which I know is installed) and a regular terminal app with ssh client. Are openvpn and terminal available?
[18:36] <dobey> yes
[18:37] <dobey> you can set up an openvpn in the network settings
[18:37] <pasko_> Cool.
[18:40] <pasko_> I think I'll order one. Extrange thing is that the Ubuntu version is €10 more expensive than the regular Android version....
[18:40] <pasko_> Anybody knows why?
[18:44] <dobey> bq sets the prices, not ubuntu. guess you'd have to ask them
[18:54] <pasko_> ok, thanks
[23:58] <JanC> seems like my phone (bq E4.5) spontaneously reboots some time after using the hotspot feature for some time...
[23:59] <k1l> overheating?