[02:22] <elky> elrooted: hi can we help?
[02:45] <Myrtti> wait, what
[02:45] <ZombikkuAmerica> >
[02:45] <ZombikkuAmerica> ?
[02:45] <Myrtti> healing?
[02:46] <ZombikkuAmerica> What about healing?
[02:47] <Myrtti> I'm just looking at #ubuntu, avg someone needs Ubuntu 'mascot for healing'
[02:48] <ZombikkuAmerica> Ah, #u is causing me to lag atm
[07:22] <Nothing_Much> How long does a silence typically last?
[07:27] <elky> Nothing_Much: your silence will last until we are confident that you're not going to sit there explaining why you dislike, fear, or whatever else protected classes or minorities.
[07:28] <Nothing_Much> Protected classes/minorities?
[07:28] <elky> yes, people like women (who you sympathise with MGTOW types about) or muslims
[07:29] <Nothing_Much> Wait, I thought equality meant a lack of protection
[07:29] <Nothing_Much> I'm confused.
[07:31] <elky> https://www.google.com/search?q=protected+classes (i was googling for an explanation but google has a nice smartcard)
[07:31] <Nothing_Much> It sounds like you're giving a privilege to something.
[07:31] <Nothing_Much> Oh yikes, there goes freedom.
[07:31] <Nothing_Much> Wait, I'm a protected class.
[07:32] <Nothing_Much> Wouldn't that even things out?
[07:32] <elky> perhaps you might want to do some additional reading
[07:32] <Nothing_Much> Wait, protected classes = race? So all races??
[07:33] <Nothing_Much> So... all people are protected
[07:33] <Nothing_Much> So we're all equal and we can criticize whomever?
[07:33] <elky> perhaps you need to do some more reading
[07:34] <Nothing_Much> Okay, well, where does the #ubuntu-offtopic channel reside?
[07:34] <Nothing_Much> It seems to be mostly based off of the state from what I'm looking at, the federal laws are too vague or they're just that simple and it's impossible to break those laws.
[07:37] <elky> if you honestly think that for example being white gives you protection to crap all over islam then you're really not going to last long in #ubuntu-offtopic and should find somewhere else.
[07:37] <Nothing_Much> I thought race didn't matter.
[07:37] <elky> it does if you're contributing to stuff like islamphobia
[07:37] <Nothing_Much> Didn't we move past that and focused on the ideas rather than the skin color?
[07:38] <Nothing_Much> Uh.. noooooo the people over there have an idea that enables the terrorizing and killing of LGBT persons.
[07:38] <Nothing_Much> Are you assuming that Muslims are a specific skin color? Because that's untrue, there's plenty of white Muslims out there.
[07:39] <elky> you brought up skin color, not me.
[07:39] <Nothing_Much> You brought up race first. o.O
[07:40] <Nothing_Much> It's equality of ideas and some ideas I heavily disagree with.
[07:41] <Nothing_Much> As far as I'm gathering, it's focused more on the ideas rather than the person themselves.
[07:41] <elky> and earlier we asked you to stop talking about them because they make for a nasty channel environment, and you brought them up again just before.
[07:41] <Nothing_Much> That was hours ago
[07:42] <Nothing_Much> But there's still political chat going on
[07:42] <elky> the request to stop did not expire.
[07:43] <Nothing_Much> So... sensitive topics are to be avoided?
[07:43] <chu> Look. Nothing_Much. #ubuntu-offtopic has always had guidelines which are to be followed. These guidelines prevent discussion of sensitive, or controversial, topics for precisely this reason. It just creates tension in the community, and the idea (at least initially) was to build a community. So we may have moved beyond that a bit, but the point still stands.
[07:44] <chu> The guidelines are necessarily vague, but they are clear enough to point out what is, or is not, appropriate to say.
[07:45] <Nothing_Much> Then why are they talking politics?
[07:45] <Nothing_Much> It just seems unfair, looking at the chatroom as it is right now.
[07:45] <elky> because so far politics hasn't devolved in to naming classes that one fears and dislikes.
[07:46] <elky> you managed to go there where others had been more respectful of the concept that the channel is a shared space.
[07:46] <Nothing_Much> So uh... would fearing a white person also be a means to get silenced? o.O
[07:47] <Nothing_Much> Apologies for the confusion, I'm just trying to understand how a protected class can be protected with such vague rules.
[07:47] <elky> if they were doing it in the manner you did about other races yes. we've done that in the past
[07:47] <chu> I'm not sure how much progress will be made here.
[07:47] <Nothing_Much> When it's apparent that all classes are equal??
[07:47] <Nothing_Much> I have no idea at this point, so I'll just remain idle in there.
[07:49] <elky> for future reference since you are so uninformed that you were not aware of the concept of protected (for clarity, institutionally disavantaged) classes, generally when you are in an international channel it's best to not to take swings at races, religions, gender or other identities that may be represented.
[08:17] <chu> elky: You should query that to him, since he left before you sent that.
[08:17] <chu> Or I can?
[08:18] <elky> you can, i don't feel like explaining why white people aren't systematically oppressed today
[08:18] <chu> :)
[08:18] <ikonia> let him go
[08:18] <chu> Alright.
[08:18] <ikonia> it's not a school where you teach people common manners
[08:18] <ikonia> here are the rules, follow them or don't
[08:19] <ikonia> fed up of trying to "convert" people who clearly just want to cause a stink
[08:19] <ikonia> people screw up or miss-understand, but other people are just trying to be a problem
[20:10] <popey> @login
[20:10] <popey> @btlogin
[22:10] <dax> *!*@unstable.nl is an open Jabber web client that can be used as an IRC transport. Just quieted it from #kubuntu because it was used by a silly person that I'm reasonably sure was ban-evading, might want to pay attention to it elsewhere.
[22:10] <ikonia> useful to know
[22:11] <bazhang> we so need a halloween factoid for MINT
[22:12] <dax> @comment 74716 open jabber www client that was pivoted into open IRC access, would recommend not unbanning
[22:14] <ikonia> well that worked out well for him dax
[22:14] <dax> quite
[22:14] <bazhang> that worked a treat
[22:14] <bazhang> getit??
[22:14] <dax> @comment 74717 mint user asking for cross-support and getting increasingly irate about ikonia refusing to provide it, 1d
[22:14] <dax> doubting that one will be back
[22:15] <dax> maybe he will be less minty if so
[22:15] <bazhang> it must the the halloween3k bug