[00:36] <jamie_1> does anyone know when 3.20 will be moved out of staging to release?
[00:41] <jbicha> jamie_1: If you want GNOME 3.20, I recommend upgrading to Ubuntu GNOME 16.10
[00:41] <jamie_1> jbicha: oh i have 3.20 and i am running wayland, was just curious when wayland will reach release
[00:42] <jbicha> I'm not sure I understand what you're asking…
[00:43] <jamie_1> jbicha: right now gnome 3.20 is held in gnome/staging instead of gnome/central
[00:44] <jbicha> yes, that's generally how we do it now
[00:44] <jamie_1> jbicha: im asking when it will be moved from staging to central
[00:45] <jbicha> that's not going to happen, at least not for xenial
[00:45] <jamie_1> are yall aiming for 17.04?
[00:46] <jbicha> ?
[00:46] <jamie_1> i know they are trying to get unity 8 and mir ready for ubuntu 17.04... personally i  dont think it will make it
[00:46] <jbicha> oh you mean when will GNOME on Wayland be the default?
[00:46] <jbicha> I don't think that's been discussed for 17.04 yet
[00:47] <jamie_1> no when will it be in the option list by default? i know it would be hard right now to be 100% wayland due to application dependency on x11 now
[00:47] <jamie_1> like when you move to the staging 3.20 you have it on the de dropdown list on login
[00:47] <jbicha> did you install Ubuntu GNOME 16.04 or 16.04.1?
[00:48] <jamie_1> i have 16.04.1 i believe but i did my own move the 3.20 with the gnome/staging repo with a dist-upgrade
[00:48] <jamie_1> yeah im on 16.04.1
[00:48] <jbicha> ok, Ubuntu GNOME 16.10 includes GNOME on Wayland by default
[00:48] <jamie_1> didnt know that
[00:49] <jamie_1> i was using when it was nightly but i just got a new laptop
[00:49] <jbicha> the 16.04 iso also included it accidentally but 16.04.1 did not
[00:49] <jamie_1> i was using 16.10 when it was still nightly*
[00:50] <jamie_1> im waiting for nightly 17.04, i am a qa engineer so i like to run on the nightly so i can help with bug reports and testing
[00:50] <jbicha> GNOME without Wayland is still the default; I'm just talking about being able to choose Wayland from the login screen
[00:50] <jamie_1> same
[00:50] <jamie_1> were on the same page
[00:50] <jbicha> wait no longer! :) http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/daily-live/current/
[00:50] <jamie_1> they already have 17.04? 16.10 just reached release
[00:51] <jbicha> 17.04 Alpha already has GNOME 3.22, enjoy
[00:51] <jamie_1> oooooo
[00:52] <jamie_1> i can have some fun with that, do you have any idea on what the roadmap for 17.04 is?
[00:53] <jbicha> um, GNOME 3.22 (there's still a few things missing like nautilus)
[00:53] <jamie_1> can you port it in from the old repo?
[00:53] <jamie_1> via ppa?
[00:54] <jamie_1> i primarily use the terminal anyways so its not much of a hit for me
[00:55] <jbicha> there's a chance we'll do some GNOME 3.24 stuff too if it's not too disruptive
[00:56] <jbicha> but some stuff will be using GTK+ 3.90 so that might not happen
[00:56] <jamie_1> do you know if you can do sudo apt-get do-distupgrade -d to get to 17.04?
[00:56] <jamie_1> this is a fresh install so its not much of a hit to do another install
[00:56] <jbicha> if you have any PPAs, I recommend running ppa-purge on them first
[00:57] <jbicha> sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[00:57] <jbicha> should work
[00:57] <jamie_1> will do, will it matter if i have the gnome/staging ppa set as defaults for applications instead of central?
[00:58] <jbicha> please ppa-purge all ppas, especially gnome3-staging, before upgrading to a new version
[00:58] <jamie_1> okay will do
[00:59] <jamie_1> wait for my current update to finish first then will reboot and purge all the ppa
[01:00] <jamie_1> i have one advantage over most people... i use a majorty of third party stuff for software development and testing so i can run on almost anything as long as the kernal is stable at least
[01:22] <jamie_1> hrm... odd... i do sudo do-release-upgrade -d and it says no new version found...
[01:30] <jbicha> jamie_1: ok, then you can just replace yakkety with zesty in /etc/apt/sources.list then dist-upgrade
[01:30] <jamie_1> jbicha: i was just gonna go from 16.04 to 16.10 to 17.04
[01:30] <jbicha> oh
[01:31] <jamie_1> slow way but lazy way lol
[01:31] <jbicha> it would be faster to just do a clean install
[01:31] <jamie_1> i already installed a few things i need like vs code, git and built my ssh startup service
[01:32] <jbicha> but if you want to do the upgrades, open software-properties-gtk switch to the Updates tab and change the last box to "For any new version"
[01:32] <jamie_1> ah screw it... it only took me like 20 minutes to do
[01:32] <jamie_1> jbicha: i already did
[01:32] <jamie_1> and its wanting to take me to 16.10 even with the -d flag
[01:33] <jbicha> yes, it's not supported to skip versions
[01:33] <jamie_1> yeah... i noticed
[01:33] <jamie_1> im probably just gonna do a fresh install...
[01:34] <jamie_1> only took me like 20 minutes to rebuild my services... so its not exactly hard to do..
[05:24] <mohhso> does git.gnome.org has problem, I am unable to clone any project ???
[05:25] <mohhso> where I can check the service status for git.gnome.org ???
[16:51] <jamie_1> anyone know if there is a known bug for the nightly image installer?
[16:51] <jamie_1> im getting failed install with an issue with apt
[16:52] <jbicha> jamie_1: you used a USB, right?
[16:53] <jamie_1> jbicha: yeah
[16:53] <jbicha> jamie_1: bug 1637985
[16:53] <ubot5`> bug 1637985 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Install Fail - Attempt to configure apt to install additional packages from CD" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1637985
[16:53] <jamie_1> ah, in that case im gonna install 16.10 and do-release-upgrade
[16:54] <jbicha> sorry about that
[16:54] <jamie_1> at first i filed a different bug on it because it failed the first time when i unplugged a usb device but apparently that wast the cause so i close it lol
[16:54] <jamie_1> jbicha: its all good, im used to it, i used to work on the firefox os project
[16:54] <jamie_1> so i know how it goes sometimes
[17:01] <jamie_1> jbicha: okay i fixed my report and marked it as a duplicate of bug 1637985
[17:01] <ubot5`> bug 1637985 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Install Fail - Attempt to configure apt to install additional packages from CD" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1637985
[17:05] <jamie_1> by any chance jbicha do yall have a site for test suites?
[17:06] <jbicha> jamie_1: what kind of tests are you interested in?
[17:06] <jamie_1> any lol
[17:06] <jamie_1> i know how to run both automated and manual
[17:06] <jbicha> ok, basic installer tests and reporting is at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/369/builds
[17:07] <jamie_1> how about ui, intigration, ux or unit
[17:07] <jbicha> Debian and Ubuntu have a system called autopkgtest which is for automated testing
[17:07] <jbicha> http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/
[17:08] <jbicha> unless ignored, tests have to pass before they get promoted from zesty-proposed to regular zesty
[17:08] <jbicha> this is a big page that shows that status:
[17:08] <jbicha> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/zesty/update_excuses.html
[17:09] <jamie_1> im looking for a new project to work on so i might end up giving yall a hand since b2g is now just about dead
[17:12] <jamie_1> jbicha: in running tests is there a specfic place to file results?
[17:15] <jbicha> just run ubuntu-bug <nameofpkg>
[17:15] <jbicha> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs#Reporting_non-crash_hardware_and_desktop_application_bugs
[17:15] <jamie_1> okay thanks, also just as a heads up the gnome testing page on ubuntu's page still has 16.10 as current nightly
[17:19] <jbicha> ok, that's updated
[17:19] <jbicha> we don't have much of an organized QA team right now
[17:21] <jamie_1> i get that all to well... when i was working on firefox os qa was the least valued piece... our team was holding on for dear life and we were always the last thought of at the different company get togethers...
[17:22] <jamie_1> also i realized there is only 4 manual test cases on the iso tracker for ubuntu gnome... do yall need manual tests generated?
[17:32] <jbicha> I'm not sure they need much expansion; those tests are just to make sure the installer works and the live image is basically functional
[17:33] <jamie_1> okay, wasnt sure, where do i find the rest of the test cases?