| clivejo | do you use krita? | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| sponge | oh, I think I'm beginning to understand | 00:01 |
| clivejo | I have krita3.0 in one of my PPA's | 00:01 |
| clivejo | https://launchpad.net/~clivejo/+archive/ubuntu/krita | 00:01 |
| sponge | I'm not using krita. I wanted to try it | 00:01 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> snap install krita | 00:01 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> 3.0.1.1 is in there | 00:02 |
| sponge | After reading https://wiki.debian.org/AppStream I'm still a bit lost. Is there a difference between the installs from discover vs synaptics? | 00:03 |
| clivejo | discover is cross platform | 00:05 |
| clivejo | if the meta data is missing in the debian package, it doesnt see it properly | 00:05 |
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| clivejo | synaptic is a package manager which works directly with apt and deb files | 00:07 |
| sponge | what happens if I use the ubuntu app store? | 00:08 |
| ahoneybun | clivejo: any idea why my DVD drive is not starting up? | 00:08 |
| sponge | which iirc is gnome's app store | 00:08 |
| clivejo | sponge: no idea | 00:09 |
| clivejo | I havent used vanilla ubuntu in years | 00:09 |
| * clivejo doesnt like Unity | 00:09 | |
| clivejo | sponge: I personally use the terminal to install stuff, or Muon package manager | 00:10 |
| sponge | clivejo, True, although the HUD can search nicely (commands/files) which other flavors can't. | 00:11 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> As can krunner | 00:12 |
| sponge | muon also has krita 2.9.7 | 00:13 |
| clivejo | muon is a deb package manager | 00:14 |
| clivejo | like synaptic | 00:14 |
| clivejo | but nicer IMO | 00:14 |
| sponge | You're right. Muon is nice | 00:21 |
| sponge | I just tried it now | 00:21 |
| sponge | It's a shame it's not auto installed | 00:21 |
| sponge | Is there a package manager for snaps? | 00:21 |
| sponge | and do appimages get updates automatically? | 00:21 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> No not appimages | 00:22 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> Snap can be | 00:22 |
| clivejo | Muon was unmaintained and was dropped from KDE releases | 00:23 |
| clivejo | but a developer gave it some love and got it working again just in time to get it into Xenial | 00:24 |
| clivejo | sponge: the plan is to snap and appimage most KDE software | 00:24 |
| clivejo | and should become available on https://store.kde.org/ | 00:24 |
| clivejo | within hours of release | 00:25 |
| sponge | Will the user be able to see if the app he installs is snap or appimage? | 00:26 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> snaps are installed | 00:27 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> But I don't think app images are | 00:27 |
| clivejo | ewwwwww https://store.kde.org/p/1009178/ | 00:30 |
| clivejo | why?!? | 00:30 |
| sponge | Hmmm the appimages files are cool! | 00:32 |
| sponge | hehehehe | 00:32 |
| Aziroshin | Politics aside, that splash screen doesn't look bad at all if you're into the minimalistic side of things. :) | 00:33 |
| Aziroshin | Also, the concept of projects that attempt to make one platform look like another is an ancient partner of desktop computing History. What the appeal is? I can imagine that for some, it's a "proof of concept" kind of deal. | 00:37 |
| sponge | thanks for the help. bye bye | 01:03 |
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| me5 | happy holloween if anybody is around | 04:03 |
| me5 | no tricker treaters this year here :( | 04:03 |
| DonCullen | Happy halloween to you too! | 04:42 |
| DonCullen | @me5 | 04:42 |
| cl0x[MX] | hello | 04:57 |
| cl0x[MX] | someone living arround? | 04:59 |
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| === Guest84978 is now known as lordievader | ||
| BluesKaj | 'Morming folks | 09:39 |
| BluesKaj | 'Morning even | 09:40 |
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| === Guest64760 is now known as lordievader | ||
| narolli | I have been using MS from very long time.. But fedup with lots of issues now a days | 11:45 |
| hateball | narolli: Do you have a Kubuntu question? | 11:46 |
| narolli | As I was browsing through different platform of ubuntu like kubuntu and edubuntu etc | 11:46 |
| narolli | I need help on this | 11:46 |
| narolli | how do i choose the right one for me | 11:46 |
| hateball | narolli: The different releases only come with different defaults. You can for instance go with Ubuntu with Unity, and then later switch to KDE Plasma which Kubuntu uses default | 11:48 |
| hateball | And you can choose which user interface to use at login time | 11:48 |
| hateball | The underlying system is the same regardless | 11:48 |
| narolli | Ok | 11:48 |
| hateball | narolli: And easiest to test is to download them and put on a thumbdrive and boot your machine and have a look around | 11:48 |
| narolli | so as of now I will run Ubuntu | 11:49 |
| narolli | Thanks!!! | 11:49 |
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| log` | hey guys, I'm having some issues with a multi-monitor setup that I was hoping someone could clue me in about. On Kubuntu 16.04, my laptop system set in a docking station with a display connected via DisplayPort and one connected via VGA. | 14:22 |
| log` | In display configuration under system settings only the laptops built in display and the one connected through DisplayPort is detected | 14:22 |
| hateball | log`: is this a default 16.04 ? | 14:23 |
| log` | the VGA monitor is not visible/detected in the display configuration utility | 14:23 |
| log` | hateball: yup, totally vanilla | 14:23 |
| log` | xrandr reports the existence of a VGGA display but it is disconnected for some reason | 14:23 |
| hateball | log`: then I suggest you start by adding/upgrading to backports ppa: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports && sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade | 14:24 |
| hateball | log`: multimonitor is iffy in 16.04... even with backports | 14:24 |
| log` | alright coo, thanks | 14:25 |
| hateball | all the fancy fixes for kf and qt wont be in until 17.04 I think | 14:25 |
| log` | is it better in 16.10? | 14:25 |
| hateball | yes, but not perfect | 14:25 |
| log` | alright | 14:25 |
| log` | here's my xrandr -q output in case you're interested: http://pastebin.com/hCfHS2UQ | 14:25 |
| hateball | bunch of bugs both in the kde bits, as well qt itself | 14:25 |
| log` | the command you pasted won't do a dist-upgrade to 16.10 right, just backports? | 14:26 |
| hateball | log`: dist-upgrade is not the same as do-release-upgrade | 14:27 |
| Pici | !dist-upgrade | 14:27 |
| ubottu | A dist-upgrade will install new dependencies for packages already installed and may remove packages if they are no longer needed. This will not bring you to a new release of Ubuntu, see !upgrade if that is your intention. | 14:27 |
| log` | very informative. | 14:33 |
| log` | had to remove a third party repo with no Release that was blocking the upgrade | 14:33 |
| log` | will I need to reboot for changes to take effect? | 14:33 |
| hateball | log`: yes | 14:35 |
| log` | thank you very much, 20% done, hope it works :) | 14:36 |
| log` | hateball: it doesn't seem to have alleviated the issue, are there any specific steps you would recommend? | 14:50 |
| hateball | log`: have you made sure they are not placed on top of each other, the displays? | 14:51 |
| hateball | in the screen gui thingy | 14:51 |
| log` | hmm | 14:51 |
| hateball | because that's how it likes to behave for me sometimes, breaking a setup that has been working for days or weeks | 14:51 |
| log` | yeah the missing display is not even in the dropdown selector thingy | 14:51 |
| hateball | hmm | 14:52 |
| hateball | log`: and this has worked as expected in the past? | 14:52 |
| log` | the nvidia configuration thing that comes with the binary blob drivers only sees one display | 14:52 |
| log` | I'm trying to remember | 14:52 |
| log` | no, I'm not sure this has worked in the past | 14:53 |
| log` | i mean the laptop has worked in the dock on windows but i don't think i've tried it in linux | 14:53 |
| hateball | log`: oh you have nvidia blob? then you should use nvidia-settings | 14:54 |
| log` | hmm or maybe it has, i ercently moved from one city to another and i'm a bit confused as to when i installed this specific distro | 14:54 |
| hateball | and in that case, you may want to use the nvidia ppa as well, and get a more recent driver: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa && sudo apt update && sudo apt install nvidia-370 | 14:55 |
| hateball | and nvidia-prime, I guess, if you are using hybrid gpu | 14:55 |
| log` | thank you | 14:55 |
| log` | yeah it has optimus | 14:55 |
| log` | alongside a intel card | 14:55 |
| hateball | but that is a whole different headache I am not very not much in the know of | 14:55 |
| log` | cool cool cool | 14:55 |
| log` | hateball: just an aside, is apt-get completely out of fashion since you're just using apt? | 14:56 |
| hateball | log`: apt is more fancy like, has progress bars and all | 14:57 |
| log` | alright :) | 14:57 |
| hateball | also one doesnt have to remember apt-get vs apt-cache for various operations | 14:57 |
| log` | i should get up to speed on that, then | 14:58 |
| hateball | well, I have to leave, but good luck log` | 15:00 |
| log` | thanks, enjoy! :) | 15:00 |
| log` | hah, this is quite the adventure I'm on. The update to nvidia-370 caused my system to fail to boot with just a flashing screen and no way to drop into a terminal with Ctrl+F* | 15:16 |
| log` | so I booted into the previous kernel and removed nvidia-370, which I assume caused everything to fall back to more generic drivers | 15:16 |
| log` | because now, the VGA monitor that was not working before is working | 15:16 |
| log` | but the DisplayPort monitor that _was_ working has stopped | 15:17 |
| log` | let's try 367 | 15:18 |
| Sircle | For multiseax in kubuntu 16xx lts, should this file be edited? /etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc ? BluesKaj ? | 15:48 |
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| Blackadderrr | Hello, is there any way to disable the delay of the panel menu? You know, when selecting other submenus there is a delay. | 16:41 |
| Blackadderrr | Like when going from Favorites to Applications to Computer | 16:42 |
| BluesKaj | delay...how long ? | 16:43 |
| Blackadderrr | less than a second | 16:43 |
| BluesKaj | I mean what is it now? | 16:44 |
| Blackadderrr | 200 ms or something | 16:45 |
| Blackadderrr | It's not lag, it's designed, or at least it feels that way | 16:45 |
| BluesKaj | delay here less than 20ms I'm sure | 16:46 |
| Blackadderrr | But I want my mouse movements to instantly affect the menu | 16:46 |
| Blackadderrr | Everything is instant except for that | 16:47 |
| Blackadderrr | It's making me crazy | 16:48 |
| BluesKaj | which plasma version , Blackadderrr? | 16:48 |
| BluesKaj | plasmashell -v in the cli | 16:48 |
| BluesKaj | and kubuntu version | 16:50 |
| Blackadderrr | plasmashell 5.5.5, kubuntu xenial 16.04 | 16:51 |
| BluesKaj | and your packages are all up to date ? | 16:52 |
| Blackadderrr | I think not, running from a usb. Just to test kubuntu. I'm new to linux since today, and I'm trying out different distro's | 16:53 |
| Blackadderrr | So apparently it should be instant? | 16:54 |
| BluesKaj | oh, well that delay is probly a result of usb transfer speed . | 16:55 |
| BluesKaj | anyway you'll notice an increase in speed if you install to a sata drive | 16:56 |
| DonCullen | Doubtful | 16:56 |
| BluesKaj | time to go ... stuff to do | 16:57 |
| DonCullen | I'm seeing it also. It's standard, and from what I know, can't be adjusted. | 16:57 |
| DonCullen | Used to be an animation speed option in Desktop Effects, but that's gone now. | 16:57 |
| Blackadderrr | Damn | 16:58 |
| BluesKaj | not here , I'm testing 17.04 with plasma 5.7.5 | 16:58 |
| BluesKaj | anyway...later | 16:58 |
| Blackadderrr | thank you | 16:58 |
| Blackadderrr | Gonna install it on a different drive | 16:58 |
| Blackadderrr | Cause everything is perfect except for that | 16:59 |
| pedahzur | Sometime recently (not 100% when) KMail stopped properly rendering HTML mail. Mostly, graphics don't show up (but not all mails). I have KMail configured to load external resources in HTML mails. Thsi is KMail 5.1.3, KDE Frameworks 5.23.0 | 17:12 |
| pedahzur | Anybody seen something similar? | 17:12 |
| pedahzur | Ah, appears there is a thread about it. | 17:17 |
| pedahzur | Looks like it's been around since August. https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kdepim-users/2016-August/000253.html | 17:18 |
| Donald_ET3 | I tried to install chromium-browser, but somehow the download was corrupted so apt can't install it. How can I force apt to try downloading it again? | 17:24 |
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| IrcsomeBot | <CliffordTheBigRedDoggie> @pedahzur, You need to install the package manually | 17:28 |
| pedahzur | IrcsomeBot: Thanks, but that should have been directed at Donald_ET3 :) | 17:29 |
| IrcsomeBot | <CliffordTheBigRedDoggie> The kmail issue? | 17:29 |
| Donald_ET3 | Ah, the command is "apt clean". I wonder why that command is not in the man page. | 17:31 |
| Sircle | what other file do I need to modify for multiseatx besides /etc/X11/xorg.conf for kubuntu 16.xx LTS? | 17:45 |
| pedahzur | IrcsomeBot: I asked about Kmail, Donald_ET3 asked about installing a package. You told me to install packages manually. :) | 17:45 |
| genii | Sircle: Perhaps consult https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultiseatTeam/Instructions | 17:46 |
| Sircle | genii: have you ever done it correctly? | 17:48 |
| genii | Sircle: I tinkered with multiseat when *buntu was at version 12.04 but not since. I did manage at that time to get it going for 4 seats | 17:49 |
| Sircle | genii: did you use this link same? | 17:53 |
| Sircle | genii: why not just use sudo loginctl attach seat1 /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:01:00.0/drm/card1 | 17:53 |
| genii | Because I didn't know about loginctl | 17:54 |
| genii | ...and no, the multiseat instructions I pointed you at did not exist at that time. I followed different ones which were not specific to *buntu | 17:55 |
| Sircle | genii: what files are needed for multiseat? xorg.conf and whats the other? theres a confusion in kdmrc or lightdm etc. which one to go for? what else? What if I am unable to see screen after reboot. Recovery mode does not lets me edit/remove xorg as it says filesystem is readonly. I am lost. | 18:56 |
| genii | Sircle: to write in recovery, first: mount -o remount,rw -a | 18:58 |
| Sircle | k | 18:59 |
| Sircle | genii: in recovery mode or write before that? | 18:59 |
| genii | In recovery mode | 19:00 |
| Sircle | k | 19:00 |
| genii | Sircle: It's been so long since I was investigating how to do multiseat setup that I'm probaly not much help for you with that part. | 19:00 |
| Sircle | genii: np. | 19:01 |
| genii | ..but if you get stuck on reboot where it drops you to recovery mode, that's how you can undo what you did before. | 19:01 |
| genii | ( remount with read-write, make the changes, save and reboot again) | 19:02 |
| Sircle | genii: thanks! | 19:25 |
| Sircle | genii: does kubuntu uses kdm, gdm or something else? | 19:25 |
| genii | sddm by default | 19:25 |
| Sircle | genii: where do I put greeter etc? | 19:26 |
| genii | I'm not sure what your question is | 19:27 |
| Sircle | theres a greeter for multi seat. in some file | 19:28 |
| Sircle | perhaps I should read few docs first | 19:28 |
| genii | That's probably a good idea :) | 19:29 |
| Sircle | k | 19:29 |
| genii | Sircle: You can always switch the greeter from sddm to lightdm, if there's better documentation for lightdm | 19:31 |
| genii | Do not recommend kdm, it is not supported any more | 19:31 |
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| IrcsomeBot | <ovidiuflorin> Hello everybody. In about an hour the Kubuntu Vision meeting will start. In this meeting we plan to discuss the vision of Kubuntu: Who we are, what are we doing, why are we doing this? and many more things. Agenda here: https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/Vision We invite you all to attend. The meeting will take place in http://kubuntu.blindsidenetworks.net/kubuntu/ Room 1, use your own username (what ever you want), password: welc | 20:15 |
| clivejo | password: welcome ^ | 20:17 |
| === mike_ is now known as Guest25630 | ||
| IrcsomeBot | <ovidiuflorin> You may use this link for quick access to the meeting: https://connect.rna1.blindsidenetworks.com/invite/to?c=BinfpTVNz8NUsGlG5z4jI4VkBdir5kC5jYa_irG38S0&m=Kubuntu+Room+-+1&t=1478031678698&u=kubuntu | 20:54 |
| tertu | so | 21:34 |
| tertu | i have a package conflict problem: namely it won't let me upgrade the kernel because the header version it wants to install is wrong\ | 21:34 |
| soee | did you installed manually new version ? | 21:40 |
| tertu | soee: no | 21:44 |
| tertu | not that i remember a yway | 21:44 |
| Donald_ET3 | Firefox and Thunderbird keep crashing for no apparent reason. None of my other programs are having stability issues. | 23:01 |
| Donald_ET3 | I wonder what could cause only Mozilla programs to crash. | 23:02 |
| Donald_ET3 | Normally it's just Firefox that crashes. Thunderbird crashing is new. | 23:02 |
| Donald_ET3 | Okay, maybe I need to reinstall Kubuntu again; Dolphin crashed. I don't know how anyone runs GNU/Linux without reinstalling every few months. The stability seems to decay after a few months. :/ | 23:10 |
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