[00:00] <clivejo> do you use krita?
[00:01] <sponge> oh, I think I'm beginning to understand
[00:01] <clivejo> I have krita3.0 in one of my PPA's
[00:01] <clivejo> https://launchpad.net/~clivejo/+archive/ubuntu/krita
[00:01] <sponge> I'm not using krita. I wanted to try it
 snap install krita
 3.0.1.1 is in there
[00:03] <sponge> After reading https://wiki.debian.org/AppStream I'm still a bit lost. Is there a difference between the installs from discover vs synaptics?
[00:05] <clivejo> discover is cross platform
[00:05] <clivejo> if the meta data is missing in the debian package, it doesnt see it properly
[00:07] <clivejo> synaptic is a package manager which works directly with apt and deb files
[00:08] <sponge> what happens if I use the ubuntu app store?
[00:08] <ahoneybun> clivejo: any idea why my DVD drive is not starting up?
[00:08] <sponge> which iirc is gnome's app store
[00:09] <clivejo> sponge: no idea
[00:09] <clivejo> I havent used vanilla ubuntu in years
[00:09]  * clivejo doesnt like Unity
[00:10] <clivejo> sponge: I personally use the terminal to install stuff, or Muon package manager
[00:11] <sponge> clivejo, True, although the HUD can search nicely (commands/files) which other flavors can't.
 As can krunner
[00:13] <sponge> muon also has krita 2.9.7
[00:14] <clivejo> muon is a deb package manager
[00:14] <clivejo> like synaptic
[00:14] <clivejo> but nicer IMO
[00:21] <sponge> You're right. Muon is nice
[00:21] <sponge> I just tried it now
[00:21] <sponge> It's a shame it's not auto installed
[00:21] <sponge> Is there a package manager for snaps?
[00:21] <sponge> and do appimages get updates automatically?
 No not appimages
 Snap can be
[00:23] <clivejo> Muon was unmaintained and was dropped from KDE releases
[00:24] <clivejo> but a developer gave it some love and got it working again just in time to get it into Xenial
[00:24] <clivejo> sponge: the plan is to snap and appimage most KDE software
[00:24] <clivejo> and should become available on https://store.kde.org/
[00:25] <clivejo> within hours of release
[00:26] <sponge> Will the user be able to see if the app he installs is snap or appimage?
 snaps are installed
 But I don't think app images are
[00:30] <clivejo> ewwwwww https://store.kde.org/p/1009178/
[00:30] <clivejo> why?!?
[00:32] <sponge> Hmmm the appimages files are cool!
[00:32] <sponge> hehehehe
[00:33] <Aziroshin> Politics aside, that splash screen doesn't look bad at all if you're into the minimalistic side of things. :)
[00:37] <Aziroshin> Also, the concept of projects that attempt to make one platform look like another is an ancient partner of desktop computing History. What the appeal is? I can imagine that for some, it's a "proof of concept" kind of deal.
[01:03] <sponge> thanks for the help. bye bye
[04:03] <me5> happy holloween if anybody is around
[04:03] <me5> no tricker treaters this year here :(
[04:42] <DonCullen> Happy halloween to you too!
[04:42] <DonCullen> @me5
[04:57] <cl0x[MX]> hello
[04:59] <cl0x[MX]> someone living arround?
[09:39] <BluesKaj> 'Morming folks
[09:40] <BluesKaj> 'Morning even
[11:45] <narolli> I have been using MS from very long time.. But fedup with lots of issues now a days
[11:46] <hateball> narolli: Do you have a Kubuntu question?
[11:46] <narolli> As I was browsing through different platform of ubuntu like kubuntu and edubuntu etc
[11:46] <narolli> I need help on this
[11:46] <narolli> how do i choose the right one for me
[11:48] <hateball> narolli: The different releases only come with different defaults. You can for instance go with Ubuntu with Unity, and then later switch to KDE Plasma which Kubuntu uses default
[11:48] <hateball> And you can choose which user interface to use at login time
[11:48] <hateball> The underlying system is the same regardless
[11:48] <narolli> Ok
[11:48] <hateball> narolli: And easiest to test is to download them and put on a thumbdrive and boot your machine and have a look around
[11:49] <narolli> so as of now I will run Ubuntu
[11:49] <narolli> Thanks!!!
[14:22] <log`> hey guys, I'm having some issues with a multi-monitor setup that I was hoping someone could clue me in about. On Kubuntu 16.04, my laptop system set in a docking station with a display connected via DisplayPort and one connected via VGA.
[14:22] <log`> In display configuration under system settings only the laptops built in display and the one connected through DisplayPort is detected
[14:23] <hateball> log`: is this a default 16.04 ?
[14:23] <log`> the VGA monitor is not visible/detected in the display configuration utility
[14:23] <log`> hateball: yup, totally vanilla
[14:23] <log`> xrandr reports the existence of a VGGA display but it is disconnected for some reason
[14:24] <hateball> log`: then I suggest you start by adding/upgrading to backports ppa: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports && sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[14:24] <hateball> log`: multimonitor is iffy in 16.04... even with backports
[14:25] <log`> alright coo, thanks
[14:25] <hateball> all the fancy fixes for kf and qt wont be in until 17.04 I think
[14:25] <log`> is it better in 16.10?
[14:25] <hateball> yes, but not perfect
[14:25] <log`> alright
[14:25] <log`> here's my xrandr -q output in case you're interested: http://pastebin.com/hCfHS2UQ
[14:25] <hateball> bunch of bugs both in the kde bits, as well qt itself
[14:26] <log`> the command you pasted won't do a dist-upgrade to 16.10 right, just backports?
[14:27] <hateball> log`: dist-upgrade is not the same as do-release-upgrade
[14:27] <Pici> !dist-upgrade
[14:33] <log`> very informative.
[14:33] <log`> had to remove a third party repo with no Release that was blocking the upgrade
[14:33] <log`> will I need to reboot for changes to take effect?
[14:35] <hateball> log`: yes
[14:36] <log`> thank you very much, 20% done, hope it works :)
[14:50] <log`> hateball: it doesn't seem to have alleviated the issue, are there any specific steps you would recommend?
[14:51] <hateball> log`: have you made sure they are not placed on top of each other, the displays?
[14:51] <hateball> in the screen gui thingy
[14:51] <log`> hmm
[14:51] <hateball> because that's how it likes to behave for me sometimes, breaking a setup that has been working for days or weeks
[14:51] <log`> yeah the missing display is not even in the dropdown selector thingy
[14:52] <hateball> hmm
[14:52] <hateball> log`: and this has worked as expected in the past?
[14:52] <log`> the nvidia configuration thing that comes with the binary blob drivers only sees one display
[14:52] <log`> I'm trying to remember
[14:53] <log`> no, I'm not sure this has worked in the past
[14:53] <log`> i mean the laptop has worked in the dock on windows but i don't think i've tried it in linux
[14:54] <hateball> log`: oh you have nvidia blob? then you should use nvidia-settings
[14:54] <log`> hmm or maybe it has, i ercently moved from one city to another and i'm a bit confused as to when i installed this specific distro
[14:55] <hateball> and in that case, you may want to use the nvidia ppa as well, and get a more recent driver: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa && sudo apt update && sudo apt install nvidia-370
[14:55] <hateball> and nvidia-prime, I guess, if you are using hybrid gpu
[14:55] <log`> thank you
[14:55] <log`> yeah it has optimus
[14:55] <log`> alongside a intel card
[14:55] <hateball> but that is a whole different headache I am not very not much in the know of
[14:55] <log`> cool cool cool
[14:56] <log`> hateball: just an aside, is apt-get completely out of fashion since you're just using apt?
[14:57] <hateball> log`: apt is more fancy like, has progress bars and all
[14:57] <log`> alright :)
[14:57] <hateball> also one doesnt have to remember apt-get vs apt-cache for various operations
[14:58] <log`> i should get up to speed on that, then
[15:00] <hateball> well, I have to leave, but good luck log`
[15:00] <log`> thanks, enjoy! :)
[15:16] <log`> hah, this is quite the adventure I'm on. The update to nvidia-370 caused my system to fail to boot with just a flashing screen and no way to drop into a terminal with Ctrl+F*
[15:16] <log`> so I booted into the previous kernel and removed nvidia-370, which I assume caused everything to fall back to more generic drivers
[15:16] <log`> because now, the VGA monitor that was not working before is working
[15:17] <log`> but the DisplayPort monitor that _was_ working has stopped
[15:18] <log`> let's try 367
[15:48] <Sircle> For multiseax in kubuntu 16xx lts, should this file be edited? /etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc ? BluesKaj ?
[16:41] <Blackadderrr> Hello, is there any way to disable the delay of the panel menu? You know, when selecting other submenus there is a delay.
[16:42] <Blackadderrr> Like when going from Favorites to Applications to Computer
[16:43] <BluesKaj> delay...how long ?
[16:43] <Blackadderrr> less than a second
[16:44] <BluesKaj> I mean what is it now?
[16:45] <Blackadderrr> 200 ms or something
[16:45] <Blackadderrr> It's not lag, it's designed, or at least it feels that way
[16:46] <BluesKaj> delay here less than 20ms I'm sure
[16:46] <Blackadderrr> But I want my mouse movements to instantly affect the menu
[16:47] <Blackadderrr> Everything is instant except for that
[16:48] <Blackadderrr> It's making me crazy
[16:48] <BluesKaj> which plasma version , Blackadderrr?
[16:48] <BluesKaj> plasmashell -v in the cli
[16:50] <BluesKaj> and kubuntu version
[16:51] <Blackadderrr> plasmashell 5.5.5, kubuntu xenial 16.04
[16:52] <BluesKaj> and your packages are all up to date ?
[16:53] <Blackadderrr> I think not, running from a usb. Just to test kubuntu. I'm new to linux since today, and I'm trying out different distro's
[16:54] <Blackadderrr> So apparently it should be instant?
[16:55] <BluesKaj> oh, well that delay is probly a result of usb transfer speed .
[16:56] <BluesKaj> anyway you'll notice an increase in speed if you install to a sata drive
[16:56] <DonCullen> Doubtful
[16:57] <BluesKaj> time to go ... stuff to do
[16:57] <DonCullen> I'm seeing it also.  It's standard, and from what I know, can't be adjusted.
[16:57] <DonCullen> Used to be an animation speed option in Desktop Effects, but that's gone now.
[16:58] <Blackadderrr> Damn
[16:58] <BluesKaj> not here , I'm testing 17.04 with plasma 5.7.5
[16:58] <BluesKaj> anyway...later
[16:58] <Blackadderrr> thank you
[16:58] <Blackadderrr> Gonna install it on a different drive
[16:59] <Blackadderrr> Cause everything is perfect except for that
[17:12] <pedahzur> Sometime recently (not 100% when) KMail stopped properly rendering HTML mail. Mostly, graphics don't show up (but not all mails). I have KMail configured to load external resources in HTML mails. Thsi is KMail 5.1.3, KDE Frameworks 5.23.0
[17:12] <pedahzur> Anybody seen something similar?
[17:17] <pedahzur> Ah, appears there is a thread about it.
[17:18] <pedahzur> Looks like it's been around since August. https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kdepim-users/2016-August/000253.html
[17:24] <Donald_ET3> I tried to install chromium-browser, but somehow the download was corrupted so apt can't install it. How can I force apt to try downloading it again?
 @pedahzur, You need to install the package manually
[17:29] <pedahzur> IrcsomeBot: Thanks, but that should have been directed at Donald_ET3 :)
 The kmail issue?
[17:31] <Donald_ET3> Ah, the command is "apt clean". I wonder why that command is not in the man page.
[17:45] <Sircle> what other file do I need to modify for multiseatx besides /etc/X11/xorg.conf  for kubuntu 16.xx LTS?
[17:45] <pedahzur> IrcsomeBot: I asked about Kmail, Donald_ET3 asked about installing a package. You told me to install packages manually. :)
[17:46] <genii> Sircle: Perhaps consult https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultiseatTeam/Instructions
[17:48] <Sircle> genii:  have you ever done it correctly?
[17:49] <genii> Sircle: I tinkered with multiseat when *buntu was at version 12.04 but not since. I did manage at that time to get it going for 4 seats
[17:53] <Sircle> genii:  did you use this link same?
[17:53] <Sircle> genii: why not just use sudo loginctl attach seat1 /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:01:00.0/drm/card1
[17:54] <genii> Because I didn't know about loginctl
[17:55] <genii> ...and no, the multiseat instructions I pointed you at did not exist at that time. I followed different ones which were not specific to *buntu
[18:56] <Sircle> genii:  what files are needed for multiseat? xorg.conf and whats the other? theres a confusion in kdmrc or lightdm etc. which one to go for? what else? What if I am unable to see screen after reboot. Recovery mode does not lets me edit/remove xorg as it says filesystem is readonly. I am lost.
[18:58] <genii> Sircle: to write in recovery, first: mount -o remount,rw  -a
[18:59] <Sircle> k
[18:59] <Sircle> genii:  in recovery mode or write before that?
[19:00] <genii> In recovery mode
[19:00] <Sircle> k
[19:00] <genii> Sircle: It's been so long since I was investigating how to do multiseat setup that I'm probaly not much help for you with that part.
[19:01] <Sircle> genii:  np.
[19:01] <genii> ..but if you get stuck on reboot where it drops you to recovery mode, that's how you can undo what you did before.
[19:02] <genii> ( remount with read-write, make the changes, save and reboot again)
[19:25] <Sircle> genii:  thanks!
[19:25] <Sircle> genii:  does kubuntu uses kdm, gdm or something else?
[19:25] <genii> sddm by default
[19:26] <Sircle> genii: where do I put greeter etc?
[19:27] <genii> I'm not sure what your question is
[19:28] <Sircle> theres a greeter for multi seat. in some file
[19:28] <Sircle> perhaps I should read few docs first
[19:29] <genii> That's probably a good idea :)
[19:29] <Sircle> k
[19:31] <genii> Sircle: You can always switch the greeter from sddm to lightdm, if there's better documentation for lightdm
[19:31] <genii> Do not recommend kdm, it is not supported any more
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[20:17] <clivejo> password: welcome ^
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[21:34] <tertu> so
[21:34] <tertu> i have a package conflict problem: namely it won't let me upgrade the kernel because the header version it wants to install is wrong\
[21:40] <soee> did you installed manually new version ?
[21:44] <tertu> soee: no
[21:44] <tertu> not that i remember a yway
[23:01] <Donald_ET3> Firefox and Thunderbird keep crashing for no apparent reason. None of my other programs are having stability issues.
[23:02] <Donald_ET3> I wonder what could cause only Mozilla programs to crash.
[23:02] <Donald_ET3> Normally it's just Firefox that crashes. Thunderbird crashing is new.
[23:10] <Donald_ET3> Okay, maybe I need to reinstall Kubuntu again; Dolphin crashed. I don't know how anyone runs GNU/Linux without reinstalling every few months. The stability seems to decay after a few months. :/