[19:35]  * genii slides RFleming a fresh coffee
[19:35] <RFleming> yum
[19:36] <genii> RFleming: It's usually pretty quiet in here. Sometimes it picks up if there's some hackerspace stuff or *buntu thing happening
[19:36] <RFleming> Nice.
[19:36] <RFleming> I'll have to add this to my auto-start
[19:36] <RFleming> a way to harass you :)
[19:37] <genii> RFleming: There's also the mailing list, https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ca
[19:37] <genii> RFleming: Heh, yes
[19:37] <RFleming> is it full of crap?
[19:37] <genii> Not usually.
[19:37] <RFleming> I may join it.  I get so much crap, it's insane
[19:37] <RFleming> you part of the xubuntu devel group?
[19:42] <genii> Nah, I've done testing but not a lot. My main involvement is with Kubuntu
[19:43] <RFleming> really?
[19:43] <genii> But also marginally with all the other distributions, since the place i volunteer/am a board member at is Toronto FreeNet have machines which run pretty much everything
[19:44] <RFleming> as in freenet project?
[19:44] <genii> RFleming: Yes, was with Kubuntu since the beginning :D
[19:44] <RFleming> no
[19:44] <RFleming> free-net
[19:44] <RFleming> the ISP?
[19:45] <genii> RFleming: Is a co-op ISP and also subscribes to the Free-Net philosophy as in freedom, yes
[19:45] <RFleming> I ditched KDE when 4 came out
[19:45] <RFleming> genii: I used to be a member
[19:45] <genii> Yeah, KDE3-KDE4 transition was painful
[19:45] <RFleming> a long long long time ago
[19:46] <RFleming> and Internet Connect
[19:46] <RFleming> err Internet Direct?
[19:46] <RFleming> yeah, second sounds right
[19:46] <RFleming> man, long time ago
[19:46] <RFleming> so long
[19:46] <genii> Yes, Internet Direct was pretty good :)
[19:46] <RFleming> then Tucows messed it all up
[19:46] <genii> I used them a long time, they had the install CD witht he happy baby
[19:47] <genii> This reminds me of the Internet telecafe they had
[19:47] <RFleming> yeah... I was running Gentoo during the 3-4 transition, and KDE bricked my install
[19:48] <RFleming> I got so pissed off, spending so much damned time compiling, for me to end up with a big pile of crap in my lap... I switched to fluxbox.
[19:49] <RFleming> I'm really looking forward to Lubuntu's switch to LXQT.  I like the qt library, and the unified look... but I really do dislike the bloat of KDE
[19:49] <RFleming> I've installed it a few times, and am always left thinking... It's pretty, but it's slow.
[19:50] <RFleming> (Kubuntu)
[19:50] <genii> On some slower machines here I have Lubuntu and Xubuntu, works great
[19:50] <genii> FreeNet generally runs Xubuntu on the lower end stuff
[19:51] <RFleming> by no means is Xubuntu light.  It's a bit of a misnomer... but it's quick, and stable.
[19:51] <RFleming> nor is Mate light... it's probably more bloated than Xfce!
[19:51] <genii> The xubuntu dev team is also somewhat more organized than the Lubuntu team
[19:58] <RFleming> yeah
[19:59] <RFleming> I'm hoping for an Ubuntu-budgie
[19:59] <RFleming> that's a slick interface; perfect for light duty computing
[19:59] <genii> Yes, I saw you mention that in -offtopic :)
[20:00] <RFleming> if you've got time, check out budgie-remix in a VM
[20:00] <RFleming> https://budgie-remix.org/
[20:01] <RFleming> wallpaper is kinda crap, but Solus OS has a real nice DM
[20:02] <RFleming> but it integrates with the gnome stack :)
[20:04]  * genii bookmarks
[20:05] <RFleming> the guy is trying really hard to make it an official flavour
[20:05] <RFleming> budgie-remix is pure ubuntu with budgie as the DM.  budgie-desktop is actually in the Canonical repos now
[20:11] <genii> Yes, i saw that
[20:12] <genii> Gotta go watch a Kubuntu podcast :) afk
[20:13] <genii> If you're interested, http://www.youtube.com/c/KubuntuPodcast/live
[20:13] <RFleming> genii: for you, I'll try kubuntu again
[20:13] <RFleming> on real hardware
[21:13] <RFleming> genii: you recommend LTS or yakkety?
[21:13] <RFleming> (kubuntu)
[21:13] <genii> LTS
[21:14] <genii> And google how to disable akonadi :)
[21:14] <RFleming> 16.10 not ready for prime time?
[21:15] <genii> They are having Qt4-Qt5 transition issues
[21:15] <RFleming> ahh
[21:15] <RFleming> I expect that to happen with the gtk3-gtk4 transition :)
[21:17] <RFleming> although 4.6 will be gtk 4.0
[21:17] <RFleming> as 4.0-4.5 will be transitions
[21:18] <RFleming> or something like that