[00:23] <kevin__> how do I purge telegram info? I've installed it but it wouldn't activate my account on the phone when I put in the code, now anytime it launches (even on uninstall, reinstall) telegram sends new activation codes and I'm stuck at a white screen.
[05:44] <samuraibsd> If I'm flashing to a Nexus 7, should I be seeing "This phone needs restoring from a PC or service center?"
[06:58] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[08:09] <Kiryat8> What is the reason that on the phone Bluetooth is so buggy when Android Bluetooth is at least stable. Why not reuse the Android code?
[08:10] <Kiryat8> I see UBPorts is also stuck on Bluetooth on their ports
[08:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> buggy how?
[08:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and which phone?
[08:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bluetooth motly works ok with this tablet for me
[08:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and bluetooth will be the same or mostly across ubuntu devices
[08:12] <Kiryat8> Nexus4 reboots
[08:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> although the nexus 4
[08:12] <Kiryat8> On phone you have to have handsfree in the car
[08:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> will be diffeent here and their
[08:13] <SebthreeBQM10HD> for a more proper ubuntu touch experince for certain things or bevause of
[08:13] <Kiryat8> This is a show stopper when driving
[08:13] <SebthreeBQM10HD> a more recent commercial device would be supported better
[08:14] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and no i dont use hands free
[08:14] <Kiryat8> I have dual boot Android and switch when on a trip
[08:14] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ok
[08:14] <Kiryat8> According to the UBPorts devices that are newer about all works except the bluetooth
[08:15] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I think ubuntu touch has more supprt and proper support on the commercial devices]
[08:15] <Kiryat8> I thought touch used the Android hardware drivers somehow.
[08:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> commercial devices as in from BQ or Meizu
[08:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and Idon't mean the old first ones, not the BQ e4.5 phone or Meizu Mx 4
[08:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but anything after those
[08:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I think that's where Ubunu touch in general, will work best
[08:16] <Kiryat8> In the bluetooth bug reports I see many bugs on BQ
[08:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> which bq ?
[08:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> as for newer Nexus phones well thos aren't supportd officaly
[08:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hence the port
[08:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and as a result you shoudn't expct Ubuntu touch to pretty much completly work there and how intended
[08:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and on my BQ M10 HD tablet, tried various bluetooth devices now, and they mostly work ok,  sometimes a few issue getting them connected again
[08:18] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Kiryat8, phonewise in general, the most supported phone is probaly the Meizu PRo 5 currently but that's no longer on sale from the manfuacter
[08:19] <Kiryat8> look in the bug reports https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez
[08:19] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Kiryat8, you should report your issues as bugs I guess
[08:19] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and that's ok to us Android for now for what you were doing
[08:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I have differnet devices for different tasks as well
[08:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but mostly use this Ubuntu tablet now :)
[08:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and Ubuntu touch is always improving every six weeks or so and a new over the air update
[08:21] <Kiryat8> I reported the bug but evidently there are so many as no feedback
[08:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yeah takes time
[08:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> they only get
[08:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> uhmm
[08:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> well not sure quite, but probabably about 50 devs at most really
[08:22] <Kiryat8> I just looks like we do not need to reinvent the wheel
[08:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> probably only about 20 people working on ubuntu touch ful time or mostly, I Don't know quite
[08:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but yes a small team
[08:22] <sil2100> Help from community developers is more than welcome ;)
[08:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> sil2100, indeed and hi
[08:23] <sil2100> Hello!
[08:23] <Kiryat8> I am on the release candidate cycle so updates are here but not on Bluetooth
[08:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Kiryat8, I don't think bluetooth is one of those things they would be  trying to change
[08:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Kiryat8, but one of those things instead that they would want working like Android
[08:26] <Kiryat8> Just for a phone legally here you must have a hand fee car kit. I do like Ubuntu touch and when I have to go back to Android I keep swiping the wrong way trying to remember how they do things
[08:26] <sil2100> Bluetooth is a very tricky component, not many bluez people available
[08:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> whats bluez?
[08:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> a name of a team or
[08:27] <Kiryat8> bluetooth package
[08:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Kiryat8, whre is here for yoy
[08:27] <sil2100> It's the name of the package and the bluetooth stack we use
[08:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh
[08:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ok
[08:28] <Kiryat8> Kiryat Shmona Israel
[08:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Kiryat8, oh ok and same here in uk legally if going to use mobile whilst driving car hands free, but they would encourge people to stop and use a phone
[08:32] <Kiryat8> Are there instructions somewhere how to debug a Bluetooth problem? I attached the phone logs but if I could be of more help..
[11:05] <brunch875> has kernel 3.4 reached EOL? That's what utouch is using right now, isn't it?
[11:24] <greyback> brunch875: utouch uses whatever kernel the phone manufacturer ships. 3.4 is old, but I think shipped on the Nexus4, so we use it.
[11:24] <greyback> N4 is over 5 years old though
[11:27] <kaisoz> hi there
[11:33] <kaisoz> just a quick question
[11:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ok
[11:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> which is?
[11:33] <kaisoz> I've resolved a bug, did the merge proposal which has been approved by a reviewer
[11:34] <kaisoz> which is the next step? should I change the issue status to "Fix committed"?
[11:35] <kaisoz> should the reviewer do it?
[12:05] <sil2100> kaisoz: normally the bug is switched to Fix Committed when the given merge is staged for a package release
[12:06] <sil2100> kaisoz: so it's up to the person doing the release (or Bileto landing)
[12:07] <kaisoz> perfect
[12:07] <kaisoz> thank you very much sil2100
[13:16] <dobey> brunch875, greyback: well, more accurately, ubuntu on a phone/tablet uses whatever kernel version is used with the version of android that the image for that device is based on, which is typically the version of android the device shipped with.
[17:04] <inkbottle> Hi, where can I have feedback about installing "some" linux distro, on "some" originally android phone/tablet?
[17:08] <dobey> well this channel is for ubuntu, and the porting guide is linked in the topic
[17:21] <inkbottle> dobey: OK, thanks, I'll go and see this link
[23:08] <ubuntuforever100> Anyone know if the fix for network manager https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-applet/+bug/1104476 will be pulled into an ota update anytime soone?
[23:08] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1104476 in network-manager (openSUSE) "Network manager cannot connect to WPA2/PEAP/MSCHAPv2 network without CA_Certificate" [High,Confirmed]