[02:25] <ali1234> what happens if you write "01 01 * * *" in cron?
[02:25] <ali1234> specifically the leading zeros?
[02:28] <penguin42> would have assumed they didn't make any difference
[02:31] <ali1234> me too
[02:31] <ali1234> however i've got a report of a cronjob hammering another server, and it has those leading zeros
[02:32] <penguin42> did the hammering only start last Sunday morning?
[02:32] <ali1234> possibly
[02:33] <ali1234> hmm
[02:33] <ali1234> yes i see :)
[02:33] <ali1234> hmm, no, it was before that
[02:33] <penguin42> damn, was a fun guess
[07:07] <knightwise> morning
[07:13] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yeah morning
[08:03] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:15] <knightwise> hey brobostigon
[08:17] <brobostigon> morning knightwise
[08:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> brobostigon, morning green blob
[08:26] <brobostigon> i am a red blob today, :)
[08:57] <zmoylan-pi> so today, people are on the blob? ::whistles nonchantly::
[08:58] <brobostigon> not on the blob, are blobs. lol.
[09:32] <JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Wednesday, and happy Stress Awareness Day! 😃
[09:33] <zmoylan-pi> and i haven't prepared for it, oh no, the stress!!
[09:37] <JamesTait> zmoylan-pi, you're now aware of stress. Relax and enjoy it. 😉
[09:58] <knightwise> hmm
[09:59] <knightwise> Working on a Raspberry pi project at home
[09:59] <knightwise> Got it to display chromium fullscreen and cycle through a bunch fo tabs with sites
[09:59] <knightwise> but i would like to have it display a different set of tabs depending on the time of day
[10:02] <knightwise> I think I can do that with a cronjob , right now i have a startup script that launches chromium fullscreen with a set of tabs
[10:07] <BigRedS> can't you just kill chromium and relaunch it with the new tabs?
[10:08] <BigRedS> crude and blunt...
[10:08] <SuperMatt> or write your own plugin
[10:12] <knightwise> yep , i think that would be the best wauy
[10:12] <knightwise> kill and relaunch with a different set
[11:58] <ikonia> SebthreeBQM10HD: how did your "event" go  ?
[12:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ikonia, yeah it went alright, but Canonical messed up a bit, got a load of Ubuntu USB's in the end,  with other things.  apparnatly woudn't get usbs since logistics issue, but did get, however they were blank, so much for pre installed ubuntu 16.04
[12:01] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ikonia, got about 30 visitors I think, so a good turn out for an event like that,
[12:02] <ikonia> 30's not bad
[12:02] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ok may have really been more like 20, but still :D
[12:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> that's just visitors, not including any helpers etc
[12:03] <ikonia> not a bad number though
[12:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yeah it's hard to get people to come along to things like that,
[12:03] <ikonia> yes, you got a bigger number than I thought you would, so kudos
[12:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> most came in from Facebook I  think,  since ran a paid advert for like two weeks on  there
[12:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> how many did you think would get?
[12:04] <ikonia> well done
[12:04] <ikonia> I thought you'd be lucky to get 8 - 9
[12:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> will do this again next year, twice next year I think,  plus someoen else wants to do another type of event a bigger one, with well speeches and so on, I don't really have the details  of what he want to do quite, but athat should be intersting
[12:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> since what that lug is like in general, it would actsaully be quite impressive if there were three events next year!
[12:05] <ikonia> very
[12:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> indeed
[12:06] <ikonia> kudos to you, you excceeded my expectations
[12:08] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ikonia, maybe get some new ones at  the next lug meeting as well,
[12:09] <ikonia> that would be a nice spill over effect
[12:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> indeed
[12:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I think going to get one or two at the next one from event
[12:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> maybe more
[12:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> could do with new people there in genreal, we aren't muc hof a group anymore
[12:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> about five people at most usaully, but sometimes it's so bad only like well two of us hmm, been there on on own once or twice before even,  in four years
[12:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ikonia, when did you last go to one? years and years ago I guess
[12:17] <ikonia> at least, I more socialise with individual members outside of meetings
[12:19] <SebthreeBQM10HD>  yeah Alex I guess, but whom else?
[12:19] <ikonia> Alex, Dave, Shevek,
[12:19] <SebthreeBQM10HD> which Dave?
[12:19] <ikonia> seen Matt very sparing lee
[12:19] <ikonia> hodge
[12:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ok al old members that don't really come to meetings anymore it seems
[12:20] <ikonia> yeah, none of that lot do
[12:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> so don't know them
[12:20] <ikonia> ahhh
[12:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> why did Alex stop going ?
[12:20] <ikonia> similar reasons to me I believe
[12:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I have mett Alex there a few times before, but been over a year now
[12:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> it's like theri are three groups
[12:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> those who come to meetings,  those who just stay on the list, and those who hang around on  perl irc netework
[12:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> so it's a rather split LUG
[12:22] <ikonia> thats not unreasonable, but you'll find it used to be more together, but it became pointless
[12:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> became pointless how ?
[12:22] <ikonia> as it was clear nothing was going on apart from pointless meetings to talk about how to install linux
[12:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> well it' not really about installs now, just general chat stuff yeah
[12:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> show some devices maybe, well I do :D
[12:23] <ikonia> but the core older members are gone now
[12:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> well some who are stll there, who go back quite a few years
[12:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Peter for example
[12:23] <ikonia> Peter ?
[12:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> not sure how long he's really bene there, but over five years I think
[12:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> over six even
[12:24] <ikonia> can't picture him
[12:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but yeah even David Smith doesn't really come to meetings anymore hmm
[12:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> so as you were saying core older members
[12:25] <ikonia> ahh I know who you mean by Peter
[12:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but there is stil a group of some sort, I guess it will just have to change with the times a bit
[12:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> have event for example, but aimed at public etc
[12:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> try and get  some newer people in like that etc
[12:25] <ikonia> you still don't really do anything though
[12:25] <ikonia> there is no real content or stuff going on
[12:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> in general it's jst meeting at a pub yeah, so nothing that special, indeed
[12:26] <ikonia> right, so why bother
[12:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yep  actsual open source events are better
[12:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> FOSDEM etc
[12:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ever been to FOSEM?
[12:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> thats coming up
[12:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> again
[12:27] <ikonia> thats not really the same thing
[12:27] <ikonia> a lug is not an open source event
[12:27] <ikonia> it's supposed to be a group of people doing things and supporting each other as a group and sharing info and stuff like that
[12:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ikonia, I guess some of us like going to a meeting with fellow geeks more so than others,   don't know what you do, but I guess if you work with them like al the time, then that's not going to be the same
[12:28] <ikonia> yeah, but even when you meet up it's not really anything of interest of value
[12:28] <ikonia> certainly the last time I attended it wasn't
[12:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> well Linux mostly just works now etc, so what info is there to sahre really?
[12:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> excetp for newbies
[12:28] <ikonia> exactly, it's more than installing liniux
[12:29] <ikonia> this is more whole point - if you're just meeting up to discuss installing linux, thats just a waste
[12:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> we arent meeting to discuss instaling LInux
[12:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> we are  meeting as fellow people who use Linux, for social
[12:29] <ikonia> and thats why no-one turns up really
[12:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but yeah not really learing anything new or as such, from meetings, if that's what you mean
[12:30] <ikonia> not even learning
[12:30] <ikonia> you look at all the rich technology and data thats available in the local area, and nothing is done with it, nothing to aid linux, nothing to aid the locals, nothing to work as a group togheter on, nothing to actually "do" anything
[12:30] <popey> LUGs in the UK are dying out in favour of makerspaces
[12:30] <ikonia> just sit in a pub saying "I don't like fedora, I love suse though"
[12:30] <popey> and amusingly some makerspaces now have LUG 'chapters' inside them!
[12:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Makerspaces is diffenret though  wel
[12:31] <ikonia> I just think (especially ours) has lost it's way
[12:31] <ikonia> some are still thriving
[12:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> the maker movmentent is  another hting
[12:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ikonia, how do you think our one should be like ideally?  altough I think I am understanding you more from what you were saying
[12:32] <ikonia> basically how it used to be, where people talked about stuff, actual content, people did something to prove something worked/didn't work, fed that back, aided people, helped people, a community, rather than just noise
[12:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> so you would  want people getting support at those meetings ?
[12:33] <ikonia> if they need it
[12:33] <ikonia> helping someone out is a valid part of working together
[12:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> well we haven't really had any newbies turning up there recently...
[12:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but hey events may change that a bit
[12:33] <ikonia> ddoens't have to be "new"
[12:33] <ikonia> experienced people will require help
[12:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yes  I undertand what you mean in genreal
[12:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> not just newbies
[12:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> anyone who needs help
[12:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> seems most of the LUG support is done on the mailing list for now
[12:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, LUGs dying out in favour of makerspaces hmm, how so  in your opinion ?
[12:40] <popey> eh?
[12:40] <popey> just an observation
[12:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh ok
[12:40] <popey> there's a combination of people moving away from desktop linux
[12:40] <popey> and for other people desktop linux just working
[12:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> to embeedded ?
[12:41] <popey> and people not having spare time for hobby stuff
[12:41] <popey> no, to macs or windows
[12:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and ubuntu tablets :p :D h eh
[12:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> desktop linux mostly works, well when sticking to distros such as ubuntu,  mint, mageia, o pen suse, pc linux os etc even fedora I suppouse
[12:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> so less support issues  at lug meetings
[12:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> plus most people have good Internet now henc e channels such as ubuntu being so popular
[12:42] <foobarry> i would expect LUGs and mailing lists to die out tbh
[12:43] <foobarry> and irc chans
[12:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mailing lists are used by projects etc to
[12:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mailing lists won't just die out  used by other type of groups to
[12:43] <foobarry> decreasingly so
[12:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and irc won't jst die chat rooms still used
[12:43] <foobarry> because mailing lists suck
[12:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> irc is one of the oldest technologies that's still used to
[12:43] <foobarry> like forums
[12:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I am not that keen on forums
[12:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and mailing lists can be ok
[12:44] <zmoylan-pi> slack would love that usage...
[12:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> slackware /
[12:44] <popey> well, if you look at the replies to my recent tweet about slack vs irc...
[12:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> what's slack
[12:44] <popey> you'll see a lot of people have the opinion that slack > irc
[12:44] <foobarry> irc for hipsters
[12:44]  * SebthreeBQM10HD doesn't really use Twitter has an account, but...
[12:44] <penguin42> yeh lots of people like slack
[12:44] <popey> web based proprietary irc
[12:44] <zmoylan-pi> slack is the new shiny centralised for profit irc
[12:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh
[12:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh
[12:44] <popey> it's incredibly popular
[12:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> there was something on some wehre hte other day maybe
[12:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> link ?
[12:45] <penguin42> it's why I'm trying to help out Matrix which is one of the open alternatives
[12:45] <foobarry> i heard someone say they used slack because there are git webhooks. although irc had it for years
[12:45] <penguin42> one problem is irc is really bad on intermittent connectivity like a phone
[12:45] <foobarry> i joined a slack channel yesterday because nobody was using the irc chan
[12:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> got  a link for slack ?
[12:45] <foobarry> slack does the message history like when you have a bouncer
[12:45] <zmoylan-pi> popey said it best :-)  RE https://twitter.com/popey/status/793399003463516160
[12:46] <popey> that tweet blew up a little
[12:47] <zmoylan-pi> you hit a nerve...
[12:47] <popey> i think so
[12:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> that link didn't work
[12:47] <popey> wfm
[12:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh
[12:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> 0 not on it
[12:47] <popey> 101K impressions of that tweet :S
[12:48] <foobarry> i have 1 chan oopen and it doesn't work well on firefox
[12:49] <foobarry> i used to subscribe to linux magazine for years
[12:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> so how to get on a slack
[12:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> channel  /
[12:49] <foobarry> u need an invite
[12:49] <popey> you have to be invited
[12:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> so it's some propritary thing
[12:49] <popey> some projects have a link which do that
[12:49] <popey> yes
[12:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> by some compnany ??
[12:49] <popey> 12:44 < popey> web based proprietary irc
[12:49] <popey> yes, slack
[12:49] <popey> inc
[12:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> who owns slack ?
[12:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh
[12:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> slack inc
[12:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> whoever that is
[12:49] <foobarry> then i realised that they recycled their content every 3 months pretty much. a bit like the daily express. i realised i was reading the mag anymore
[12:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> web based hmm, so a website not a program ?
[12:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> slack is popular?
[12:50] <foobarry> among the hip kids
[12:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> thats ntohing new some new chat app etc coming along
[12:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> that's propritary
[12:50] <foobarry> like zsh.
[12:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and gains a market
[12:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> we had skype
[12:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> we had whatsapp etc
[12:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> seems I  don't need to use whatever slack is for now
[12:51] <foobarry> popey: want to read something horrific written by stallman?
[12:52] <foobarry> you might not sleep again. or want to use gnu
[12:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ok waht is it
[12:52]  * SebthreeBQM10HD isn't scared of reading stallmsans things :D
[12:52] <foobarry> you will be
[12:52] <popey> again?
[12:52] <foobarry> worse
[12:52] <foobarry> https://www.reddit.com/search?q=stallman+apologist
[12:52]  * SebthreeBQM10HD saw  him do a talk three years ago in Bath, talked to him breifly after
[12:52] <foobarry> indirect link due to avoidance of keywords
[12:52] <foobarry> should contain one result
[12:52] <popey> oh yeah, seen that before
[12:53] <foobarry> i saw it in another form before
[12:53] <popey> rms and esr are basically terrible people
[12:53] <foobarry> he mentioned it regarding some other incident
[12:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, who's esr?
[12:55] <foobarry> eric s raymond
[12:55] <foobarry> i'm unaware of esr unpalatable view
[12:55] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, foobarry there's always some rubbish about RMS here and there, since he is differnet in cerain ways, from most other people
[12:55] <foobarry> for sure. i know lots of aspies and ASD people
[12:55] <foobarry> they can be blunt and myopic
[12:56] <SebthreeBQM10HD> probably most geeks are a t least slightly aspie
[12:56] <foobarry> but this is clearly wrong, in no way is this redeemable
[12:56] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey seems normal enough h eh, but there must be something secret about him, to that isn't so normal. h eh
[12:56] <BigRedS> foobarry: he's a bit of a gun nut
[12:57]  * SebthreeBQM10HD has things to do bye
[12:57] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bye
[12:57] <popey> o/
[12:58] <foobarry> he's rather racist as well it seems
[12:58] <foobarry> esr
[13:01] <foobarry> actually the racism tag needs revisiting after reading his article more carefully
[13:03] <foobarry> but it looks like he can't help himself from "going there" with taboo articles
[13:05] <foobarry> from rms website:
[13:05] <foobarry>  I'm looking for people to…
[13:05] <foobarry> write a recipe for how to connect to the WiFi in a Mcdonalds without running its nonfree Javascript code. The recipe could include a free Javascript program I could run, or it could consist of instructions for what I would type into IceCat (our variant of Firefox). It doesn't have't be super convenient, it just has to work.
[13:07] <penguin42> what does their JS do?
[13:08] <foobarry> not sure if all JS is evil, or just some
[13:14] <Laney> Presumably you can't modify or redistribute it, thus it is non-free software
[13:23] <foobarry> http://i.imgur.com/5fEuORU.jpg
[13:23] <foobarry> almost NSFW
[13:23] <zmoylan-pi> still better than bill gates doing same in 70s
[13:24] <zmoylan-pi> http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/8511_8043_billgates.jpg
[13:24] <zmoylan-pi> *80s
[13:25] <foobarry> but you can't see his guy poking out from gates' shirt
[13:25] <foobarry> gut*
[13:26] <zmoylan-pi> i wouldn't trust the code from a gutless programmer.... :-P
[13:33] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: that sounded very klingon :)
[13:35] <penguin42> hmm should have dropped the cache times on my dns yesterday
[13:36] <zmoylan-pi> well there is the klingon code meme... http://www.klingon.org/resources/klingon_code.html
[13:38] <knightwise> HA!
[14:25] <diddledan> I like this one: Klingons do not "release" software. Klingon software escapes, leaving a bloody trail of design engineers and quality assurance people in its path.
[14:29] <foobarry> is there a way to disable ublock origin globally without disabling the add-on
[14:29] <foobarry> clicking the power symbol seems to do on a page basis only
[14:43] <foobarry> https://blog.lastpass.com/2016/11/get-lastpass-everywhere-multi-device-access-is-now-free.html/
[15:05] <diddledan> looks like their putting ads in the freebie version?
[15:05] <diddledan> they're**
[15:05] <diddledan> damn, it's rare I get a there, they're, their wrong
[17:04] <zmoylan-pi> diddledan: into each life a little reign must fall... :-P
[21:14] <daftykins> 15% off the Dell XPS 13 9350 on the Dell Outlet right now until midnight Friday, though none are in stock right now
[21:14] <daftykins> http://www.dell.com/learn/uk/en/ukdfh1/campaigns/shop-outlet-deals
[21:18] <popey> they run out of stock super fast
[21:19] <zmoylan-pi> you'd think that would encourage them to make more
[21:19] <popey> they do!
[21:21] <daftykins> yip used and watched it for years, myself
[21:21] <daftykins> when someone needs a machine anyway
[23:14] <daftykins> http://m.mlb.com/cutfour/2016/11/02/207860694/bill-murray-gave-random-cubs-fan-ticket-to-game-6-and-let-her-sit-next-to-him
[23:14] <daftykins> Bill Murray, all around cool guy
[23:23] <m0nkey_> OK, lets talk password managers. I need something to replace LastPass. I like the sync, browser and android integration. Any ideas on what I can use that has a similar feature set?
[23:24] <daftykins> never touched 'em