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userHi00:14
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adymitrukHi00:48
konradosHi.01:09
konradosOn Windows, I had a *desktop* application, which used google translate to show me a translation from English to Polish or vice versa. It was faster than: switch to a web browser, go to google translate, enter text, wait, get the answer, switch back to the app I used before. Is there anything like this for Kubuntu?01:11
adymitrukkonrados: czesc.. I think this may help: http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/Tools01:17
konradosadymitruk, - dzięki! I'm on it right now :)01:18
adymitruknice! good luck!01:23
teledynhi guys, anyone know of a cpu frequency indicator for the plasma system tray?01:44
teledyni have indicator-cpufreq running but that's not an actual indicator, just a thing to set the mode01:44
adymitrukheya.. anyone know when or if kubuntu 16.04 will get plasma 5.8.x?03:13
DarinMilleradymitruk: the kubuntu devs plan to eventually backport plasma 5.8 to 16.04.  But I suspect it will be awhile.  Several mishaps during the last release and too few people doing too much packaging.03:23
adymitrukah.. so if I was to run KDE 5.8.x on something I'd have to do it manually on something like debian?03:32
adymitrukI'm new to KDE so no idea what the best practices are..03:33
DarinMilleradymitruk: while its certainly possible to complie and install yourself, I would not recommend it for new users.03:34
DarinMillerSeveral rolling or bleeding edge distro's have  plasma 5.8.3.  KDE Neon, SUSE tumbleweed, Arch, Chakra and possibly others.03:35
adymitrukany issues with going to that "bleeding edge"?03:36
adymitrukfrom what I read, it's supposed to have fixed a number of issues. But did it introduce new ones?03:36
DarinMillerBleeding edge will sometimes provide updates that break on certatin hardware.  If you know how to undo an update or configure a package that might have been overlooked, it's not a problem.03:37
DarinMillerRight now I am using kde-neon dev unstable (triple booting between Kubuntu 16.10, neon-user,  and dev unstable).03:39
DarinMillerI have been running Neon unstable since summer.  One update killed sddm for Nvidia Optimus users (me included).  I was forced to uninstall my Nvidia drivers for a few days while the packagers ironed out the kinks.03:40
adymitrukI see.. I'm running on a chromebook pixel from 201303:41
DarinMillerOtherwise, I have found the bleeding edge more stable than Kubuntu 16.04 with plasma 5.6.  But much of the stability depends on HW and how the PC is used.03:41
adymitrukso I think that would be more standard hardware?03:41
DarinMillerYes, your hw should be perfect for bleeding edge as I believe CB's have intel graphics processors.03:43
DarinMillerDo you use dual monitors? If so, I strongly recommend adding the backports ppa to Kubuntu 16.04 at minimum or just upgrade to 16.10.03:44
DarinMillerThe neon series used to lack certain packages, but the devs keep adding new ones all the time.  So it's hard to argue against Neon.03:45
DarinMillerI used SUSE for awhile but prefer the debian packaging.  SUSE has great support for KDE but I still prefer the debian packaing system.03:46
DarinMillerIf you think you really know linux or are feeling adventurous, you  can try Arch.    I thought I knew Linux fairly well until I installed Arch and I learned a heck of  a lot more.  Their wiki are incredible and often help solve corner cases on debian installs.03:49
adymitrukone day! :)03:50
adymitrukI remember having a lot of issues with Neon on this machine03:50
adymitrukkubuntu made all of that go away03:50
adymitrukmostly with wallet and the k-suite of software that relies on it03:51
adymitrukspeaking of which, when I log out and log back in, I get a kwallet password prompt03:51
adymitrukannoying as i never set one up and when I cancel the 100 dialogs, nothing is working03:51
adymitrukie, settings are missing for things03:52
ForgeAuswell neon is relatively new03:52
ForgeAusand kubuntu integrates stuff and tends to be relatively stable... for the most part...03:52
DarinMillerYes, the  kubuntu devs work really hard at ensuring the packaging works and usually error on the side of caution by sticking with known solutions.03:53
ForgeAusI wonder when they'll package CDE (as in Common Desktop Environment)03:56
DarinMilleradymitruk: if you are not worried about securing your PC you can disable kwallet by removing the kwallet pwd.03:56
ForgeAusafaik there is no .deb or .rpm or anything for it yet...03:56
ForgeAusnot that it is needed, but my attempt at building it failed...03:56
DarinMillerForgeAus: you sound like me. I seem to fail quite often when trying build stuff from source.03:57
ForgeAusits a tricky thing03:58
ForgeAuswhen it works it works well but there's usually subcomponents in stuff that have minor niggles or something that stops them03:58
DarinMilleris CDE still under active development?03:59
ForgeAusI'm not sure03:59
ForgeAusits only relatively recently been released as opensource03:59
ForgeAusbut I don't know where the development status of it is at03:59
adymitrukI had a ton of issues with kmail and wallet stuff.. maybe it's ok now03:59
adymitrukafraid to touch wallet :)03:59
ForgeAusbut I'm sure there are probably some forked stuff thats making use of whatever goodies are in it that hadn't already been implemented...04:00
ForgeAusyeah wallet stuff can be annoying ...04:00
DarinMillerYes, I attempted to build kdevelop 5.02 from source.  I finally succeeded but many features were missing when I ran it.04:00
ForgeAusI'm actually finding TDE is decent (Trinity...) but thats because I'm right now using bash on ubuntu on Windows10 hehe04:00
ForgeAusits a toy, kinda... for me anyway...04:00
ForgeAusseeing as it doesn't do compisiting for me, Trinity is a great interface (Kubuntu wasn't using it long after Feisty-like days but it feels mature and cushy)04:01
ForgeAusmost daemons don't work and the sound system is completely non-functional but most other stuff is stable...04:02
DarinMillerI am not familiar with either of those enviros.04:02
ForgeAusTDE is basically a fork of KDE3 (since KDE4 went off on its own tangent... )04:03
ForgeAusinstaed of the old KDE3 remixes that were around some group continued to develop KDE3 and made the Trinity Desktop Environment (trinity alluding to version 3 but its really KDE rebranded)04:03
DarinMilleroh, strange that I never encountered it. Though I didn't start using KDE until later in the plasma 4.x cycle.04:04
ForgeAusmuch like what happened with Gnome when they went Gnome Shell, different environments showed up like Unity, Mate and Cinnamon... )04:04
ForgeAusKDE3 was wonderful... KDE4 did eventually improve and overtake it for the most part...04:04
ForgeAusbut since the compositing on this environment I'm using (under windows 10 as a subsystem kinda like cygwin only more elegant and well no .exe's everywhere)04:05
DarinMillerI am familiar with Unity, Mate and Cin.  We still use KDE 3 at work and occcasionally I say "oh, I wish we still had that feature on Plasma 5"....04:05
ForgeAuskde3 makes more sense, and trinity is a slightly improved kde3 thats still relatively current04:05
ForgeAusyeah04:05
ForgeAusI know how you feel04:05
ForgeAusI missed lots about kde3 in the early kde4 days04:06
ForgeAusand plasma is just beyond me at the moment... I could go back to my native kubuntu and try it though...04:06
ForgeAusanyway, unity mate and cinnamon are all gnome forks04:06
ForgeAuswhen gnome2 was going to gnome3, they made this thing that was hated by a decent sizable group of former gnome-users... called gnome shell04:07
ForgeAus(its like the difference between kubuntu and ubuntu (ubuntu is generally gnome-based and kubuntu is kde-based)04:07
ForgeAusso instead of gnome shell (Gnome3) a group split off and continued with the interface they were happy with and familiar with which was dubbed mate...04:07
DarinMillerI am really impressed with the state Plasma 5.  Lots of polish lately and features that I learned to live without but am glad they are appearing.04:08
ForgeAusso the mate shell is like a gnome2 ...04:08
ForgeAuscinnamon is similar but it was made by the Linux Mint team (ubuntu based) that did a similar thing using more updated backends like gnome3 tech but gnome2 presentation...04:08
DarinMilleryes, I used to love gnome2 with compiz.  Made computing fun again.04:09
ForgeAusso it looks like mate but is a little different...04:09
ForgeAusyes KDE3 can work with compiz too but like I said for this particular use for me, not practical...04:09
ForgeAusotherwise if it were I'd be using plasma5 instead :)04:09
ForgeAusanyway... as for unity, thats the default Ubuntu Environment gnome-based but its own tangent, that initially looked very MacOSX-like (at the time of Leaopard anyway)04:10
ForgeAusbut it was its own thing using a sidebar with applets I think they called them scopes or something...04:10
ForgeAusI don't think Canonical has moved on from Unity as the default shell yet... Id on't know if they'll go to some Gnome3, I doubt they'll go to Cinnamon, they might just stick with Unity or develop something new...04:11
ForgeAusagain thats all mostly ubuntu not kubuntu stuff...04:11
ForgeAusI definitely favor kde-based...04:12
ForgeAusit at least feels far more friendly and configurable... although I would agree its much heavier (I don't know as I'd call it bloat though)...04:13
ForgeAusGnome is decently heavy anyway... (when I said much heavier I was comparing to like XFCE/LXDE/Fluxbox, etc... lightweight shells..)04:14
DarinMillerplasma5 really  cleaned up the "underwater" feeling that I leanred to live with in KDE4.04:14
ForgeAushehe air, oxygen, breathe?04:14
ForgeAusI'm not sure I like the whole "flat" style thing that breeze icons have, they look too plain/simplified...04:15
ForgeAusI prefer the glossier flash that crystal had...04:15
ForgeAusOxygen was alright...04:15
ForgeAusI liked how windows could have watermarks and stuff (the air side of it)04:16
ForgeAusand I definitely loved kwin's compisiting effects, from wobbly windows to the desktop cube :)04:16
ForgeAuscompiz can do most of that kinda stuff if not more, I think Unity relies on compiz for all that stuff..04:17
DarinMillerI hate to be critical but I really dislike the flat look.  I sure the style will eventually pass, but choose non-flat when the option is available.04:17
ForgeAusand kde3 (especially Trinity) can work with compiz too04:17
ForgeAusI agree, but hey its preference if people like that thats fine, I do kinda get the appeal, its not a criticism from me, its a personal preference...04:18
ForgeAusI had a similar thing with my iPad initially I hated the flat-look ... but learned to accept it...04:20
ForgeAusI still prefer the previous style, but I haven't had difficulties or problems with the flat-style, and it does bring an element of cleanliness to the look...04:21
ForgeAusbut it also seems to steal a sense of personality and style too...04:21
ForgeAusits gives and it takes but what do you expect?...04:21
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adymitrukany idea how to make my headphones work?06:06
adymitrukjust getting stuff out of the speakers06:06
Dragnslcradymitruk- under System Settings -> Multimedia there are options for changing the audio output06:11
DragnslcrYou can check there to see if it's switching to the headphones06:11
adymitrukDragnslcr: nothing happens when i choose headphones. sound still just coming from the laptop speakers06:16
adymitrukused to work..06:16
DragnslcrCheck Multimedia -> Audio and Video -> Audio Hardware Setup06:21
DragnslcrI only get an option for headphones if the hardware profile is set to Analog Stereo Output06:21
adymitrukit has that06:21
adymitrukbut sound still comes from computer speakers, even when hitting the test buttons06:22
adymitrukbrb.. will reboot06:22
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adymitrukwell, there might be a problem with the hardware.. booted to ubuntu mate and the same issue06:40
adymitruksound that's meant to go to the headphones is coming out of the speakers06:40
adymitrukno different than kubuntu06:40
hateballadymitruk: got a different set of headphones to try?06:41
hateballcould be the hardware switch is broken on either headphones or in the computer06:42
hateballiirc you can still force it using alsa tho...06:42
adymitrukyes tried another headset06:42
adymitruksame thing06:42
adymitrukso I think that may confirm that there's hardware switch issues06:45
adymitrukalthough I'm not sure06:45
adymitrukthe volume changes when I plug in the headphones and then again when I take them out06:45
adymitrukjust by maybe 10%06:45
IrcsomeBot1<Robert Welti> Hi! When can we expect Plasma 5.7 landing in 16.04.? Approximately 2 weeks ago someone said that the backporting is almost done. :-)09:11
ferry_Anyone noticed Kontact (Yakkety) does not support drag/drop of attachments anymore? https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=215&t=136789&sid=6082f4f5c47686f288c64e1f307142bf09:28
ferry_This has now become a daily annoyance...09:29
ferry_Any chance 16.08.1 will be in the backports ppa?09:30
emdid anyone else notice that the default background in kubuntu 16.10 doesn't look very nice?09:49
hateballA case of personal preference :)09:54
ForgeAuschanging them is what defaults are for isn't it? :)10:00
mparilloThere was some discussion about the feasibility of going straight to Plasma 5.8.x. In that case, it would need to land in ZZ first.10:24
hateballplasma 5.8.3 would be rather nice to have :o10:25
BluesKajHey folks10:36
acheronukferry: 16.08 PIM requires Qtwebengine, which is not even in Zesty yet and we would have to wait for, so it may be a little while10:43
acheronukmparillo plasma 5.8 WILL be nice to have10:44
BluesKajI'm have 2 computers tied up doing media file backups, so Zesty testing has to wait til romorrow10:47
BluesKajI have, rather10:48
BluesKajtomorrow even...need more coffee10:50
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IrcsomeBot1<Robert Welti> So it is not discussed yet?10:56
IrcsomeBot1<Robert Welti> I would prefer getting 5.7 now and take time to implement 5.8  thoroughly.10:57
Sevishhey group, I'm trying to diagnose a problem with my kubuntu install on my laptop, but I don't have much experience11:04
Sevishsometimes when I boot, I get the kubuntu logo, then it will disappear and I get a black screen with a underscore in the top corner11:05
Sevishthe system doesn't respond after that11:05
Sevishusually if I reboot once or a few times, I am able to get in11:05
Sevishthis is 16.04, and the problem has been with me for about a week11:06
teledynany news on 5.8 backport coming to yakkety?11:11
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ferry_@hateball: em has a point. However the best way to formulate that would be :  when asked 90% of people thinks the 16.10 background is not very nice / ugly, which is an increase from 60% for 16.04 (or similar numbers)13:10
BluesKaj_even the splash screen is ugly13:12
ferry_says 55% :-)13:13
BluesKaj_I replace the desktop background as my first priority after an install since plasma 5 was introduced13:14
ferry_But even though I don't like the colors of the desktop in 16.10 I like the evolution from  15.10 - 16.04 - 16.10, like an animation in slow motion.13:18
ForgeAusBluesKaj got a link to a screenshot of it? ...13:20
acheronukI sort quite like the 5.5 background, but still would not keep it. The rest of the default ones have been quite awful13:22
BluesKaj_ForgeAus, before or after?13:24
acheronuk16.10 default splash http://i.imgur.com/KmY5eFm.png13:26
ferry_https://youtu.be/srHLiHiLmrg13:47
ForgeAusok well maybe its just me but of that evolution the first one I liked better...13:51
BluesKaj_I don't like the login or the splash, both are "fugly" to me14:01
ForgeAusin theory I think I kinda like the colors but they don't seem to work together for some reason...14:02
acheronukI tend to set a dark wallpaper and do away with the splash screen altogether14:04
BluesKaj_I'm waiting for more splash options like the kde4 splash screen options14:05
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ferry_I always go back to elarun, because i like blue14:43
acheronukthe new black plasma 5.8 one is nice. simple.14:45
acheronukthough feels a bit windows inspired :/14:46
ferry_But this is distracting me from my main question: Kontact (in Yakkety) broke drag/drop of attachments. Is there a way around that?15:07
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BluesKaj_!Imac15:17
BluesKaj_hmm15:17
genii!mac15:18
ubottuFor help on installing and using Ubuntu on a Mac, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MactelSupportTeam/CommunityHelpPages15:18
genii!ppc15:18
ubottuPowerPC.  Formerly used by Apple for the Macintosh line of computers. Variants are now used in popular gaming consoles. PPC was a fully supported Ubuntu architecture until 6.10. It is now a community port, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ15:18
dbromhello all15:32
BluesKaj_thanks genii  :-)15:32
dbromtrying to mount a  vmdk that is a FAT32 but its failing whats is the correct way to mount the vmdk file15:34
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IrcsomeBot<Dirk> Am I wrong here? Isn't this the official kubuntu support channel? Is there anybody out there who uses Cryptomator on Kubuntu? I just wanne know, whether the problem is on my side or it's an kubuntu issue. On my desktop the UI looks like this17:14
IrcsomeBot<Dirk> (Photo, 680x493) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/GQhjLI93/file_1041.jpg17:14
DragnslcrYes, this is the official Kubuntu support channel. That doesn't necessarily mean that there's always someone here who has used every piece of software available.17:19
Dragnslcr!info Cryptomator17:19
ubottuPackage Cryptomator does not exist in yakkety17:19
DragnslcrEspecially if it's software that isn't part of the Ubuntu repositories17:20
IrcsomeBot<Dirk> Sorry. I didn't want to be unkind. I just wanne know if there is somebody who uses this software17:26
DragnslcrIt's okay, no need to be sorry. I just wanted to make sure you know what to expect here.17:29
IrcsomeBot<Dirk> unpolite? rude?17:30
IrcsomeBot<Dirk> Can I just expect support for software that is part of the Ubuntu repositories?17:31
DragnslcrIt's far more likely that someone here will be able to help, so that's probably a reasonable expectation17:39
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DragnslcrIf someone can help with software from outside the repositories, they will, but the odds are pretty low that anyone will be able to help17:39
IrcsomeBot<Dirk> okay. Thanks17:54
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gdahkass ahllla19:19
arajI am trying to run KDE without KWIN and plasma, it works as such19:31
arajhowever, settings do not take effect19:32
arajso if I change icon theme, from systemsettings5, it will applay and show no error but icons will also not change19:32
arajwhat maybe going wrong?19:33
arajfor now I am starting kde via .xsession, I have disabled plasmashell and export KDEWM to startkde19:34
BluesKaj_araj, well good luck with that19:37
arajBluesKaj_: It seems I need lot of it19:39
BluesKaj_kde/plasma is the Kubuntu-Desktop, if you don't use it , then don't expect support here, araj19:41
mixxith19:41
mixxithi19:41
mixxiti get a black screen after installing nvidia recommended driver19:41
mixxiti can drop to console and startx fine though19:41
BluesKaj_!nomodeset |  mixxit19:42
ubottumixxit: A common kernel (boot)parameter is nomodeset, which is needed for some graphic cards that otherwise boot into a black screen or show corrupted splash screen. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132 on how to use this parameter19:42
mixxitdoesnt work19:42
mixxitfirst thing i tried :-)19:43
arajBluesKaj_: kubuntu is not just limitede to desktop but it also includes apps19:43
BluesKaj_mixxit, did you update and upgrade your packages before installing the driver19:44
mixxityeah19:44
mixxitbrb gonna try disabling secure boot19:44
BluesKaj_araj, those apps use kde/plasma19:46
arajBluesKaj_: really!! for example I do not see relation between konsole and plasma19:47
arajBluesKaj_: what if some body wants to use a KDE app from another deskopt env. it can't be like all or nothing case19:48
BluesKaj_araj, this is not a debate, we support those who use kde/plasma if you wish not to do so then go to #ubuntu chat for support...they might help you19:49
arajBluesKaj_: i see, thanks for your time19:51
rattkinguffda if you dont want to help then dont.. it really is that simple19:51
mixxithi guys20:46
mixxiti just came in here a sec ago about my problem with black screen after installing nvidia drivers20:46
mixxiti reinstalled kde and followed this procedure:20:46
mixxit1) Logged in and updated kubuntu20:46
mixxit2) Restarted20:46
mixxit3) Installed recommended proprietary nvidia drivers20:46
mixxit4) Restart and i was able to login20:46
mixxit5) Created new user20:47
mixxit6) Logged in as new user20:47
mixxit7) Deleted Oem user, restarted20:47
mixxitNow i get a black screen20:47
mixxitit seems that maybe sddm is somehow tied to the oem user?20:47
mixxitsorry* i say reinstalled kde i mean i reinstalled kubuntu from scratch20:48
rattkinghave you looked at the X log to see what it has to say? /var/log/Xorg.0.log20:52
mixxitwell i can login command line and startx fine20:52
rattkingoh.. thats interesting20:53
rattkingby oem user are you meaning the one that the installer created?20:54
mixxitdo you know how to disable auto login20:54
mixxitcause im thinking its trying to auto login as oem20:54
mixxithttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sddm/+bug/149924320:54
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1499243 in sddm (Ubuntu) "sddm hangs when autologin set to a non-existent user" [Undecided,New]20:54
mixxitreading this20:54
rattkingI am unaware of any oem user20:54
rattkingautologin settings for sddm are in /etc/sddm.conf20:56
mixxitok thats set to oem20:59
mixxiti dont want auto login anyway, can i remove the file?20:59
mixxitor just remove hte [Autologin] section?20:59
rattkingdont do that if you want sddm to work :) comment out the line with a # symbol20:59
mixxitjust User=oem ?20:59
rattkingmanpage says "User=  Name of the user to automatically log in when the system starts first time.  Default value is empty." so maybe just make make it blank20:59
mixxitgreat ok restarting now, thanks!20:59
mixxitthat got it thanks21:00
mixxiti've submitted my 2cp to the bug report21:00
rattkingawesome! glad to have helped21:01
mixxit\o/21:01
sa_hey yall21:14
sa_i got some issue with my network, internet connection ... i cant accesse all website21:15
sa_only main such as google yahoo and search result but only if it is for iguess an IPV621:15
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Smurphysa_: Prental control.... and no, we won't help you :D21:52
geniiA note to all helpers and lurkers: LTS to LTS upgrade of Kubuntu from 14.04 to 16.04 should not be used. The issue has been added to the Xerus Release Notes section now at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes#Upgrade22:14
rattkingthanks for the notice.. any details or a ticket I can look at?22:16
geniiWe're looking at maybe documenting what to do to recover a system in this broken state, there may be more later. Currently no tickets regarding this however.22:19
geniirattking: There may be something in the #kubuntu-devel mailing list archives about it22:25
rattkingawesome thanks22:26
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