[00:14] <user> Hi
[00:16] <user> Hi
[00:48] <adymitruk> Hi
[01:09] <konrados> Hi.
[01:11] <konrados> On Windows, I had a *desktop* application, which used google translate to show me a translation from English to Polish or vice versa. It was faster than: switch to a web browser, go to google translate, enter text, wait, get the answer, switch back to the app I used before. Is there anything like this for Kubuntu?
[01:17] <adymitruk> konrados: czesc.. I think this may help: http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/Tools
[01:18] <konrados> adymitruk, - dzięki! I'm on it right now :)
[01:23] <adymitruk> nice! good luck!
[01:44] <teledyn> hi guys, anyone know of a cpu frequency indicator for the plasma system tray?
[01:44] <teledyn> i have indicator-cpufreq running but that's not an actual indicator, just a thing to set the mode
[03:13] <adymitruk> heya.. anyone know when or if kubuntu 16.04 will get plasma 5.8.x?
[03:23] <DarinMiller> adymitruk: the kubuntu devs plan to eventually backport plasma 5.8 to 16.04.  But I suspect it will be awhile.  Several mishaps during the last release and too few people doing too much packaging.
[03:32] <adymitruk> ah.. so if I was to run KDE 5.8.x on something I'd have to do it manually on something like debian?
[03:33] <adymitruk> I'm new to KDE so no idea what the best practices are..
[03:34] <DarinMiller> adymitruk: while its certainly possible to complie and install yourself, I would not recommend it for new users.
[03:35] <DarinMiller> Several rolling or bleeding edge distro's have  plasma 5.8.3.  KDE Neon, SUSE tumbleweed, Arch, Chakra and possibly others.
[03:36] <adymitruk> any issues with going to that "bleeding edge"?
[03:36] <adymitruk> from what I read, it's supposed to have fixed a number of issues. But did it introduce new ones?
[03:37] <DarinMiller> Bleeding edge will sometimes provide updates that break on certatin hardware.  If you know how to undo an update or configure a package that might have been overlooked, it's not a problem.
[03:39] <DarinMiller> Right now I am using kde-neon dev unstable (triple booting between Kubuntu 16.10, neon-user,  and dev unstable).
[03:40] <DarinMiller> I have been running Neon unstable since summer.  One update killed sddm for Nvidia Optimus users (me included).  I was forced to uninstall my Nvidia drivers for a few days while the packagers ironed out the kinks.
[03:41] <adymitruk> I see.. I'm running on a chromebook pixel from 2013
[03:41] <DarinMiller> Otherwise, I have found the bleeding edge more stable than Kubuntu 16.04 with plasma 5.6.  But much of the stability depends on HW and how the PC is used.
[03:41] <adymitruk> so I think that would be more standard hardware?
[03:43] <DarinMiller> Yes, your hw should be perfect for bleeding edge as I believe CB's have intel graphics processors.
[03:44] <DarinMiller> Do you use dual monitors? If so, I strongly recommend adding the backports ppa to Kubuntu 16.04 at minimum or just upgrade to 16.10.
[03:45] <DarinMiller> The neon series used to lack certain packages, but the devs keep adding new ones all the time.  So it's hard to argue against Neon.
[03:46] <DarinMiller> I used SUSE for awhile but prefer the debian packaging.  SUSE has great support for KDE but I still prefer the debian packaing system.
[03:49] <DarinMiller> If you think you really know linux or are feeling adventurous, you  can try Arch.    I thought I knew Linux fairly well until I installed Arch and I learned a heck of  a lot more.  Their wiki are incredible and often help solve corner cases on debian installs.
[03:50] <adymitruk> one day! :)
[03:50] <adymitruk> I remember having a lot of issues with Neon on this machine
[03:50] <adymitruk> kubuntu made all of that go away
[03:51] <adymitruk> mostly with wallet and the k-suite of software that relies on it
[03:51] <adymitruk> speaking of which, when I log out and log back in, I get a kwallet password prompt
[03:51] <adymitruk> annoying as i never set one up and when I cancel the 100 dialogs, nothing is working
[03:52] <adymitruk> ie, settings are missing for things
[03:52] <ForgeAus> well neon is relatively new
[03:52] <ForgeAus> and kubuntu integrates stuff and tends to be relatively stable... for the most part...
[03:53] <DarinMiller> Yes, the  kubuntu devs work really hard at ensuring the packaging works and usually error on the side of caution by sticking with known solutions.
[03:56] <ForgeAus> I wonder when they'll package CDE (as in Common Desktop Environment)
[03:56] <DarinMiller> adymitruk: if you are not worried about securing your PC you can disable kwallet by removing the kwallet pwd.
[03:56] <ForgeAus> afaik there is no .deb or .rpm or anything for it yet...
[03:56] <ForgeAus> not that it is needed, but my attempt at building it failed...
[03:57] <DarinMiller> ForgeAus: you sound like me. I seem to fail quite often when trying build stuff from source.
[03:58] <ForgeAus> its a tricky thing
[03:58] <ForgeAus> when it works it works well but there's usually subcomponents in stuff that have minor niggles or something that stops them
[03:59] <DarinMiller> is CDE still under active development?
[03:59] <ForgeAus> I'm not sure
[03:59] <ForgeAus> its only relatively recently been released as opensource
[03:59] <ForgeAus> but I don't know where the development status of it is at
[03:59] <adymitruk> I had a ton of issues with kmail and wallet stuff.. maybe it's ok now
[03:59] <adymitruk> afraid to touch wallet :)
[04:00] <ForgeAus> but I'm sure there are probably some forked stuff thats making use of whatever goodies are in it that hadn't already been implemented...
[04:00] <ForgeAus> yeah wallet stuff can be annoying ...
[04:00] <DarinMiller> Yes, I attempted to build kdevelop 5.02 from source.  I finally succeeded but many features were missing when I ran it.
[04:00] <ForgeAus> I'm actually finding TDE is decent (Trinity...) but thats because I'm right now using bash on ubuntu on Windows10 hehe
[04:00] <ForgeAus> its a toy, kinda... for me anyway...
[04:01] <ForgeAus> seeing as it doesn't do compisiting for me, Trinity is a great interface (Kubuntu wasn't using it long after Feisty-like days but it feels mature and cushy)
[04:02] <ForgeAus> most daemons don't work and the sound system is completely non-functional but most other stuff is stable...
[04:02] <DarinMiller> I am not familiar with either of those enviros.
[04:03] <ForgeAus> TDE is basically a fork of KDE3 (since KDE4 went off on its own tangent... )
[04:03] <ForgeAus> instaed of the old KDE3 remixes that were around some group continued to develop KDE3 and made the Trinity Desktop Environment (trinity alluding to version 3 but its really KDE rebranded)
[04:04] <DarinMiller> oh, strange that I never encountered it. Though I didn't start using KDE until later in the plasma 4.x cycle.
[04:04] <ForgeAus> much like what happened with Gnome when they went Gnome Shell, different environments showed up like Unity, Mate and Cinnamon... )
[04:04] <ForgeAus> KDE3 was wonderful... KDE4 did eventually improve and overtake it for the most part...
[04:05] <ForgeAus> but since the compositing on this environment I'm using (under windows 10 as a subsystem kinda like cygwin only more elegant and well no .exe's everywhere)
[04:05] <DarinMiller> I am familiar with Unity, Mate and Cin.  We still use KDE 3 at work and occcasionally I say "oh, I wish we still had that feature on Plasma 5"....
[04:05] <ForgeAus> kde3 makes more sense, and trinity is a slightly improved kde3 thats still relatively current
[04:05] <ForgeAus> yeah
[04:05] <ForgeAus> I know how you feel
[04:06] <ForgeAus> I missed lots about kde3 in the early kde4 days
[04:06] <ForgeAus> and plasma is just beyond me at the moment... I could go back to my native kubuntu and try it though...
[04:06] <ForgeAus> anyway, unity mate and cinnamon are all gnome forks
[04:07] <ForgeAus> when gnome2 was going to gnome3, they made this thing that was hated by a decent sizable group of former gnome-users... called gnome shell
[04:07] <ForgeAus> (its like the difference between kubuntu and ubuntu (ubuntu is generally gnome-based and kubuntu is kde-based)
[04:07] <ForgeAus> so instead of gnome shell (Gnome3) a group split off and continued with the interface they were happy with and familiar with which was dubbed mate...
[04:08] <DarinMiller> I am really impressed with the state Plasma 5.  Lots of polish lately and features that I learned to live without but am glad they are appearing.
[04:08] <ForgeAus> so the mate shell is like a gnome2 ...
[04:08] <ForgeAus> cinnamon is similar but it was made by the Linux Mint team (ubuntu based) that did a similar thing using more updated backends like gnome3 tech but gnome2 presentation...
[04:09] <DarinMiller> yes, I used to love gnome2 with compiz.  Made computing fun again.
[04:09] <ForgeAus> so it looks like mate but is a little different...
[04:09] <ForgeAus> yes KDE3 can work with compiz too but like I said for this particular use for me, not practical...
[04:09] <ForgeAus> otherwise if it were I'd be using plasma5 instead :)
[04:10] <ForgeAus> anyway... as for unity, thats the default Ubuntu Environment gnome-based but its own tangent, that initially looked very MacOSX-like (at the time of Leaopard anyway)
[04:10] <ForgeAus> but it was its own thing using a sidebar with applets I think they called them scopes or something...
[04:11] <ForgeAus> I don't think Canonical has moved on from Unity as the default shell yet... Id on't know if they'll go to some Gnome3, I doubt they'll go to Cinnamon, they might just stick with Unity or develop something new...
[04:11] <ForgeAus> again thats all mostly ubuntu not kubuntu stuff...
[04:12] <ForgeAus> I definitely favor kde-based...
[04:13] <ForgeAus> it at least feels far more friendly and configurable... although I would agree its much heavier (I don't know as I'd call it bloat though)...
[04:14] <ForgeAus> Gnome is decently heavy anyway... (when I said much heavier I was comparing to like XFCE/LXDE/Fluxbox, etc... lightweight shells..)
[04:14] <DarinMiller> plasma5 really  cleaned up the "underwater" feeling that I leanred to live with in KDE4.
[04:14] <ForgeAus> hehe air, oxygen, breathe?
[04:15] <ForgeAus> I'm not sure I like the whole "flat" style thing that breeze icons have, they look too plain/simplified...
[04:15] <ForgeAus> I prefer the glossier flash that crystal had...
[04:15] <ForgeAus> Oxygen was alright...
[04:16] <ForgeAus> I liked how windows could have watermarks and stuff (the air side of it)
[04:16] <ForgeAus> and I definitely loved kwin's compisiting effects, from wobbly windows to the desktop cube :)
[04:17] <ForgeAus> compiz can do most of that kinda stuff if not more, I think Unity relies on compiz for all that stuff..
[04:17] <DarinMiller> I hate to be critical but I really dislike the flat look.  I sure the style will eventually pass, but choose non-flat when the option is available.
[04:17] <ForgeAus> and kde3 (especially Trinity) can work with compiz too
[04:18] <ForgeAus> I agree, but hey its preference if people like that thats fine, I do kinda get the appeal, its not a criticism from me, its a personal preference...
[04:20] <ForgeAus> I had a similar thing with my iPad initially I hated the flat-look ... but learned to accept it...
[04:21] <ForgeAus> I still prefer the previous style, but I haven't had difficulties or problems with the flat-style, and it does bring an element of cleanliness to the look...
[04:21] <ForgeAus> but it also seems to steal a sense of personality and style too...
[04:21] <ForgeAus> its gives and it takes but what do you expect?...
[06:06] <adymitruk> any idea how to make my headphones work?
[06:06] <adymitruk> just getting stuff out of the speakers
[06:11] <Dragnslcr> adymitruk- under System Settings -> Multimedia there are options for changing the audio output
[06:11] <Dragnslcr> You can check there to see if it's switching to the headphones
[06:16] <adymitruk> Dragnslcr: nothing happens when i choose headphones. sound still just coming from the laptop speakers
[06:16] <adymitruk> used to work..
[06:21] <Dragnslcr> Check Multimedia -> Audio and Video -> Audio Hardware Setup
[06:21] <Dragnslcr> I only get an option for headphones if the hardware profile is set to Analog Stereo Output
[06:21] <adymitruk> it has that
[06:22] <adymitruk> but sound still comes from computer speakers, even when hitting the test buttons
[06:22] <adymitruk> brb.. will reboot
[06:26] <fei> bbb
[06:40] <adymitruk> well, there might be a problem with the hardware.. booted to ubuntu mate and the same issue
[06:40] <adymitruk> sound that's meant to go to the headphones is coming out of the speakers
[06:40] <adymitruk> no different than kubuntu
[06:41] <hateball> adymitruk: got a different set of headphones to try?
[06:42] <hateball> could be the hardware switch is broken on either headphones or in the computer
[06:42] <hateball> iirc you can still force it using alsa tho...
[06:42] <adymitruk> yes tried another headset
[06:42] <adymitruk> same thing
[06:45] <adymitruk> so I think that may confirm that there's hardware switch issues
[06:45] <adymitruk> although I'm not sure
[06:45] <adymitruk> the volume changes when I plug in the headphones and then again when I take them out
[06:45] <adymitruk> just by maybe 10%
[09:11] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert Welti> Hi! When can we expect Plasma 5.7 landing in 16.04.? Approximately 2 weeks ago someone said that the backporting is almost done. :-)
[09:28] <ferry_> Anyone noticed Kontact (Yakkety) does not support drag/drop of attachments anymore? https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=215&t=136789&sid=6082f4f5c47686f288c64e1f307142bf
[09:29] <ferry_> This has now become a daily annoyance...
[09:30] <ferry_> Any chance 16.08.1 will be in the backports ppa?
[09:49] <em> did anyone else notice that the default background in kubuntu 16.10 doesn't look very nice?
[09:54] <hateball> A case of personal preference :)
[10:00] <ForgeAus> changing them is what defaults are for isn't it? :)
[10:24] <mparillo> There was some discussion about the feasibility of going straight to Plasma 5.8.x. In that case, it would need to land in ZZ first.
[10:25] <hateball> plasma 5.8.3 would be rather nice to have :o
[10:36] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[10:43] <acheronuk> ferry: 16.08 PIM requires Qtwebengine, which is not even in Zesty yet and we would have to wait for, so it may be a little while
[10:44] <acheronuk> mparillo plasma 5.8 WILL be nice to have
[10:47] <BluesKaj> I'm have 2 computers tied up doing media file backups, so Zesty testing has to wait til romorrow
[10:48] <BluesKaj> I have, rather
[10:50] <BluesKaj> tomorrow even...need more coffee
[10:53]  * BluesKaj turns auto spell check on
[10:56] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert Welti> So it is not discussed yet?
[10:57] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert Welti> I would prefer getting 5.7 now and take time to implement 5.8  thoroughly.
[11:04] <Sevish> hey group, I'm trying to diagnose a problem with my kubuntu install on my laptop, but I don't have much experience
[11:05] <Sevish> sometimes when I boot, I get the kubuntu logo, then it will disappear and I get a black screen with a underscore in the top corner
[11:05] <Sevish> the system doesn't respond after that
[11:05] <Sevish> usually if I reboot once or a few times, I am able to get in
[11:06] <Sevish> this is 16.04, and the problem has been with me for about a week
[11:11] <teledyn> any news on 5.8 backport coming to yakkety?
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[13:10] <ferry_> @hateball: em has a point. However the best way to formulate that would be :  when asked 90% of people thinks the 16.10 background is not very nice / ugly, which is an increase from 60% for 16.04 (or similar numbers)
[13:12] <BluesKaj_> even the splash screen is ugly
[13:13] <ferry_> says 55% :-)
[13:14] <BluesKaj_> I replace the desktop background as my first priority after an install since plasma 5 was introduced
[13:18] <ferry_> But even though I don't like the colors of the desktop in 16.10 I like the evolution from  15.10 - 16.04 - 16.10, like an animation in slow motion.
[13:20] <ForgeAus> BluesKaj got a link to a screenshot of it? ...
[13:22] <acheronuk> I sort quite like the 5.5 background, but still would not keep it. The rest of the default ones have been quite awful
[13:24] <BluesKaj_> ForgeAus, before or after?
[13:26] <acheronuk> 16.10 default splash http://i.imgur.com/KmY5eFm.png
[13:47] <ferry_> https://youtu.be/srHLiHiLmrg
[13:51] <ForgeAus> ok well maybe its just me but of that evolution the first one I liked better...
[14:01] <BluesKaj_> I don't like the login or the splash, both are "fugly" to me
[14:02] <ForgeAus> in theory I think I kinda like the colors but they don't seem to work together for some reason...
[14:04] <acheronuk> I tend to set a dark wallpaper and do away with the splash screen altogether
[14:05] <BluesKaj_> I'm waiting for more splash options like the kde4 splash screen options
[14:43] <ferry_> I always go back to elarun, because i like blue
[14:45] <acheronuk> the new black plasma 5.8 one is nice. simple.
[14:46] <acheronuk> though feels a bit windows inspired :/
[15:07] <ferry_> But this is distracting me from my main question: Kontact (in Yakkety) broke drag/drop of attachments. Is there a way around that?
[15:17] <BluesKaj_> !Imac
[15:17] <BluesKaj_> hmm
[15:18] <genii> !mac
[15:18] <genii> !ppc
[15:32] <dbrom> hello all
[15:32] <BluesKaj_> thanks genii  :-)
[15:34] <dbrom> trying to mount a  vmdk that is a FAT32 but its failing whats is the correct way to mount the vmdk file
[15:35] <CHURLZ> hi
 Am I wrong here? Isn't this the official kubuntu support channel? Is there anybody out there who uses Cryptomator on Kubuntu? I just wanne know, whether the problem is on my side or it's an kubuntu issue. On my desktop the UI looks like this
 (Photo, 680x493) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/GQhjLI93/file_1041.jpg
[17:19] <Dragnslcr> Yes, this is the official Kubuntu support channel. That doesn't necessarily mean that there's always someone here who has used every piece of software available.
[17:19] <Dragnslcr> !info Cryptomator
[17:20] <Dragnslcr> Especially if it's software that isn't part of the Ubuntu repositories
 Sorry. I didn't want to be unkind. I just wanne know if there is somebody who uses this software
[17:29] <Dragnslcr> It's okay, no need to be sorry. I just wanted to make sure you know what to expect here.
 unpolite? rude?
 Can I just expect support for software that is part of the Ubuntu repositories?
[17:39] <Dragnslcr> It's far more likely that someone here will be able to help, so that's probably a reasonable expectation
[17:39] <Dragnslcr> If someone can help with software from outside the repositories, they will, but the odds are pretty low that anyone will be able to help
 okay. Thanks
[19:19] <gdah> kass ahllla
[19:31] <araj> I am trying to run KDE without KWIN and plasma, it works as such
[19:32] <araj> however, settings do not take effect
[19:32] <araj> so if I change icon theme, from systemsettings5, it will applay and show no error but icons will also not change
[19:33] <araj> what maybe going wrong?
[19:34] <araj> for now I am starting kde via .xsession, I have disabled plasmashell and export KDEWM to startkde
[19:37] <BluesKaj_> araj, well good luck with that
[19:39] <araj> BluesKaj_: It seems I need lot of it
[19:41] <BluesKaj_> kde/plasma is the Kubuntu-Desktop, if you don't use it , then don't expect support here, araj
[19:41] <mixxit> h
[19:41] <mixxit> hi
[19:41] <mixxit> i get a black screen after installing nvidia recommended driver
[19:41] <mixxit> i can drop to console and startx fine though
[19:42] <BluesKaj_> !nomodeset |  mixxit
[19:42] <mixxit> doesnt work
[19:43] <mixxit> first thing i tried :-)
[19:43] <araj> BluesKaj_: kubuntu is not just limitede to desktop but it also includes apps
[19:44] <BluesKaj_> mixxit, did you update and upgrade your packages before installing the driver
[19:44] <mixxit> yeah
[19:44] <mixxit> brb gonna try disabling secure boot
[19:46] <BluesKaj_> araj, those apps use kde/plasma
[19:47] <araj> BluesKaj_: really!! for example I do not see relation between konsole and plasma
[19:48] <araj> BluesKaj_: what if some body wants to use a KDE app from another deskopt env. it can't be like all or nothing case
[19:49] <BluesKaj_> araj, this is not a debate, we support those who use kde/plasma if you wish not to do so then go to #ubuntu chat for support...they might help you
[19:51] <araj> BluesKaj_: i see, thanks for your time
[19:51] <rattking> uffda if you dont want to help then dont.. it really is that simple
[20:46] <mixxit> hi guys
[20:46] <mixxit> i just came in here a sec ago about my problem with black screen after installing nvidia drivers
[20:46] <mixxit> i reinstalled kde and followed this procedure:
[20:46] <mixxit> 1) Logged in and updated kubuntu
[20:46] <mixxit> 2) Restarted
[20:46] <mixxit> 3) Installed recommended proprietary nvidia drivers
[20:46] <mixxit> 4) Restart and i was able to login
[20:47] <mixxit> 5) Created new user
[20:47] <mixxit> 6) Logged in as new user
[20:47] <mixxit> 7) Deleted Oem user, restarted
[20:47] <mixxit> Now i get a black screen
[20:47] <mixxit> it seems that maybe sddm is somehow tied to the oem user?
[20:48] <mixxit> sorry* i say reinstalled kde i mean i reinstalled kubuntu from scratch
[20:52] <rattking> have you looked at the X log to see what it has to say? /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[20:52] <mixxit> well i can login command line and startx fine
[20:53] <rattking> oh.. thats interesting
[20:54] <rattking> by oem user are you meaning the one that the installer created?
[20:54] <mixxit> do you know how to disable auto login
[20:54] <mixxit> cause im thinking its trying to auto login as oem
[20:54] <mixxit> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sddm/+bug/1499243
[20:54] <mixxit> reading this
[20:54] <rattking> I am unaware of any oem user
[20:56] <rattking> autologin settings for sddm are in /etc/sddm.conf
[20:59] <mixxit> ok thats set to oem
[20:59] <mixxit> i dont want auto login anyway, can i remove the file?
[20:59] <mixxit> or just remove hte [Autologin] section?
[20:59] <rattking> dont do that if you want sddm to work :) comment out the line with a # symbol
[20:59] <mixxit> just User=oem ?
[20:59] <rattking> manpage says "User=  Name of the user to automatically log in when the system starts first time.  Default value is empty." so maybe just make make it blank
[20:59] <mixxit> great ok restarting now, thanks!
[21:00] <mixxit> that got it thanks
[21:00] <mixxit> i've submitted my 2cp to the bug report
[21:01] <rattking> awesome! glad to have helped
[21:01] <mixxit> \o/
[21:14] <sa_> hey yall
[21:15] <sa_> i got some issue with my network, internet connection ... i cant accesse all website
[21:15] <sa_> only main such as google yahoo and search result but only if it is for iguess an IPV6
[21:52] <Smurphy> sa_: Prental control.... and no, we won't help you :D
[22:14] <genii> A note to all helpers and lurkers: LTS to LTS upgrade of Kubuntu from 14.04 to 16.04 should not be used. The issue has been added to the Xerus Release Notes section now at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes#Upgrade
[22:16] <rattking> thanks for the notice.. any details or a ticket I can look at?
[22:19] <genii> We're looking at maybe documenting what to do to recover a system in this broken state, there may be more later. Currently no tickets regarding this however.
[22:25] <genii> rattking: There may be something in the #kubuntu-devel mailing list archives about it
[22:26] <rattking> awesome thanks