[00:14] Hi [00:16] Hi [00:48] Hi [01:09] Hi. [01:11] On Windows, I had a *desktop* application, which used google translate to show me a translation from English to Polish or vice versa. It was faster than: switch to a web browser, go to google translate, enter text, wait, get the answer, switch back to the app I used before. Is there anything like this for Kubuntu? [01:17] konrados: czesc.. I think this may help: http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/Tools [01:18] adymitruk, - dzięki! I'm on it right now :) [01:23] nice! good luck! [01:44] hi guys, anyone know of a cpu frequency indicator for the plasma system tray? [01:44] i have indicator-cpufreq running but that's not an actual indicator, just a thing to set the mode [03:13] heya.. anyone know when or if kubuntu 16.04 will get plasma 5.8.x? [03:23] adymitruk: the kubuntu devs plan to eventually backport plasma 5.8 to 16.04. But I suspect it will be awhile. Several mishaps during the last release and too few people doing too much packaging. [03:32] ah.. so if I was to run KDE 5.8.x on something I'd have to do it manually on something like debian? [03:33] I'm new to KDE so no idea what the best practices are.. [03:34] adymitruk: while its certainly possible to complie and install yourself, I would not recommend it for new users. [03:35] Several rolling or bleeding edge distro's have plasma 5.8.3. KDE Neon, SUSE tumbleweed, Arch, Chakra and possibly others. [03:36] any issues with going to that "bleeding edge"? [03:36] from what I read, it's supposed to have fixed a number of issues. But did it introduce new ones? [03:37] Bleeding edge will sometimes provide updates that break on certatin hardware. If you know how to undo an update or configure a package that might have been overlooked, it's not a problem. [03:39] Right now I am using kde-neon dev unstable (triple booting between Kubuntu 16.10, neon-user, and dev unstable). [03:40] I have been running Neon unstable since summer. One update killed sddm for Nvidia Optimus users (me included). I was forced to uninstall my Nvidia drivers for a few days while the packagers ironed out the kinks. [03:41] I see.. I'm running on a chromebook pixel from 2013 [03:41] Otherwise, I have found the bleeding edge more stable than Kubuntu 16.04 with plasma 5.6. But much of the stability depends on HW and how the PC is used. [03:41] so I think that would be more standard hardware? [03:43] Yes, your hw should be perfect for bleeding edge as I believe CB's have intel graphics processors. [03:44] Do you use dual monitors? If so, I strongly recommend adding the backports ppa to Kubuntu 16.04 at minimum or just upgrade to 16.10. [03:45] The neon series used to lack certain packages, but the devs keep adding new ones all the time. So it's hard to argue against Neon. [03:46] I used SUSE for awhile but prefer the debian packaging. SUSE has great support for KDE but I still prefer the debian packaing system. [03:49] If you think you really know linux or are feeling adventurous, you can try Arch. I thought I knew Linux fairly well until I installed Arch and I learned a heck of a lot more. Their wiki are incredible and often help solve corner cases on debian installs. [03:50] one day! :) [03:50] I remember having a lot of issues with Neon on this machine [03:50] kubuntu made all of that go away [03:51] mostly with wallet and the k-suite of software that relies on it [03:51] speaking of which, when I log out and log back in, I get a kwallet password prompt [03:51] annoying as i never set one up and when I cancel the 100 dialogs, nothing is working [03:52] ie, settings are missing for things [03:52] well neon is relatively new [03:52] and kubuntu integrates stuff and tends to be relatively stable... for the most part... [03:53] Yes, the kubuntu devs work really hard at ensuring the packaging works and usually error on the side of caution by sticking with known solutions. [03:56] I wonder when they'll package CDE (as in Common Desktop Environment) [03:56] adymitruk: if you are not worried about securing your PC you can disable kwallet by removing the kwallet pwd. [03:56] afaik there is no .deb or .rpm or anything for it yet... [03:56] not that it is needed, but my attempt at building it failed... [03:57] ForgeAus: you sound like me. I seem to fail quite often when trying build stuff from source. [03:58] its a tricky thing [03:58] when it works it works well but there's usually subcomponents in stuff that have minor niggles or something that stops them [03:59] is CDE still under active development? [03:59] I'm not sure [03:59] its only relatively recently been released as opensource [03:59] but I don't know where the development status of it is at [03:59] I had a ton of issues with kmail and wallet stuff.. maybe it's ok now [03:59] afraid to touch wallet :) [04:00] but I'm sure there are probably some forked stuff thats making use of whatever goodies are in it that hadn't already been implemented... [04:00] yeah wallet stuff can be annoying ... [04:00] Yes, I attempted to build kdevelop 5.02 from source. I finally succeeded but many features were missing when I ran it. [04:00] I'm actually finding TDE is decent (Trinity...) but thats because I'm right now using bash on ubuntu on Windows10 hehe [04:00] its a toy, kinda... for me anyway... [04:01] seeing as it doesn't do compisiting for me, Trinity is a great interface (Kubuntu wasn't using it long after Feisty-like days but it feels mature and cushy) [04:02] most daemons don't work and the sound system is completely non-functional but most other stuff is stable... [04:02] I am not familiar with either of those enviros. [04:03] TDE is basically a fork of KDE3 (since KDE4 went off on its own tangent... ) [04:03] instaed of the old KDE3 remixes that were around some group continued to develop KDE3 and made the Trinity Desktop Environment (trinity alluding to version 3 but its really KDE rebranded) [04:04] oh, strange that I never encountered it. Though I didn't start using KDE until later in the plasma 4.x cycle. [04:04] much like what happened with Gnome when they went Gnome Shell, different environments showed up like Unity, Mate and Cinnamon... ) [04:04] KDE3 was wonderful... KDE4 did eventually improve and overtake it for the most part... [04:05] but since the compositing on this environment I'm using (under windows 10 as a subsystem kinda like cygwin only more elegant and well no .exe's everywhere) [04:05] I am familiar with Unity, Mate and Cin. We still use KDE 3 at work and occcasionally I say "oh, I wish we still had that feature on Plasma 5".... [04:05] kde3 makes more sense, and trinity is a slightly improved kde3 thats still relatively current [04:05] yeah [04:05] I know how you feel [04:06] I missed lots about kde3 in the early kde4 days [04:06] and plasma is just beyond me at the moment... I could go back to my native kubuntu and try it though... [04:06] anyway, unity mate and cinnamon are all gnome forks [04:07] when gnome2 was going to gnome3, they made this thing that was hated by a decent sizable group of former gnome-users... called gnome shell [04:07] (its like the difference between kubuntu and ubuntu (ubuntu is generally gnome-based and kubuntu is kde-based) [04:07] so instead of gnome shell (Gnome3) a group split off and continued with the interface they were happy with and familiar with which was dubbed mate... [04:08] I am really impressed with the state Plasma 5. Lots of polish lately and features that I learned to live without but am glad they are appearing. [04:08] so the mate shell is like a gnome2 ... [04:08] cinnamon is similar but it was made by the Linux Mint team (ubuntu based) that did a similar thing using more updated backends like gnome3 tech but gnome2 presentation... [04:09] yes, I used to love gnome2 with compiz. Made computing fun again. [04:09] so it looks like mate but is a little different... [04:09] yes KDE3 can work with compiz too but like I said for this particular use for me, not practical... [04:09] otherwise if it were I'd be using plasma5 instead :) [04:10] anyway... as for unity, thats the default Ubuntu Environment gnome-based but its own tangent, that initially looked very MacOSX-like (at the time of Leaopard anyway) [04:10] but it was its own thing using a sidebar with applets I think they called them scopes or something... [04:11] I don't think Canonical has moved on from Unity as the default shell yet... Id on't know if they'll go to some Gnome3, I doubt they'll go to Cinnamon, they might just stick with Unity or develop something new... [04:11] again thats all mostly ubuntu not kubuntu stuff... [04:12] I definitely favor kde-based... [04:13] it at least feels far more friendly and configurable... although I would agree its much heavier (I don't know as I'd call it bloat though)... [04:14] Gnome is decently heavy anyway... (when I said much heavier I was comparing to like XFCE/LXDE/Fluxbox, etc... lightweight shells..) [04:14] plasma5 really cleaned up the "underwater" feeling that I leanred to live with in KDE4. [04:14] hehe air, oxygen, breathe? [04:15] I'm not sure I like the whole "flat" style thing that breeze icons have, they look too plain/simplified... [04:15] I prefer the glossier flash that crystal had... [04:15] Oxygen was alright... [04:16] I liked how windows could have watermarks and stuff (the air side of it) [04:16] and I definitely loved kwin's compisiting effects, from wobbly windows to the desktop cube :) [04:17] compiz can do most of that kinda stuff if not more, I think Unity relies on compiz for all that stuff.. [04:17] I hate to be critical but I really dislike the flat look. I sure the style will eventually pass, but choose non-flat when the option is available. [04:17] and kde3 (especially Trinity) can work with compiz too [04:18] I agree, but hey its preference if people like that thats fine, I do kinda get the appeal, its not a criticism from me, its a personal preference... [04:20] I had a similar thing with my iPad initially I hated the flat-look ... but learned to accept it... [04:21] I still prefer the previous style, but I haven't had difficulties or problems with the flat-style, and it does bring an element of cleanliness to the look... [04:21] but it also seems to steal a sense of personality and style too... [04:21] its gives and it takes but what do you expect?... === daniel is now known as RedMercury [06:06] any idea how to make my headphones work? [06:06] just getting stuff out of the speakers [06:11] adymitruk- under System Settings -> Multimedia there are options for changing the audio output [06:11] You can check there to see if it's switching to the headphones [06:16] Dragnslcr: nothing happens when i choose headphones. sound still just coming from the laptop speakers [06:16] used to work.. [06:21] Check Multimedia -> Audio and Video -> Audio Hardware Setup [06:21] I only get an option for headphones if the hardware profile is set to Analog Stereo Output [06:21] it has that [06:22] but sound still comes from computer speakers, even when hitting the test buttons [06:22] brb.. will reboot === mib is now known as Guest98193 [06:26] bbb [06:40] well, there might be a problem with the hardware.. booted to ubuntu mate and the same issue [06:40] sound that's meant to go to the headphones is coming out of the speakers [06:40] no different than kubuntu [06:41] adymitruk: got a different set of headphones to try? [06:42] could be the hardware switch is broken on either headphones or in the computer [06:42] iirc you can still force it using alsa tho... [06:42] yes tried another headset [06:42] same thing [06:45] so I think that may confirm that there's hardware switch issues [06:45] although I'm not sure [06:45] the volume changes when I plug in the headphones and then again when I take them out [06:45] just by maybe 10% [09:11] Hi! When can we expect Plasma 5.7 landing in 16.04.? Approximately 2 weeks ago someone said that the backporting is almost done. :-) [09:28] Anyone noticed Kontact (Yakkety) does not support drag/drop of attachments anymore? https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=215&t=136789&sid=6082f4f5c47686f288c64e1f307142bf [09:29] This has now become a daily annoyance... [09:30] Any chance 16.08.1 will be in the backports ppa? [09:49] did anyone else notice that the default background in kubuntu 16.10 doesn't look very nice? [09:54] A case of personal preference :) [10:00] changing them is what defaults are for isn't it? :) [10:24] There was some discussion about the feasibility of going straight to Plasma 5.8.x. In that case, it would need to land in ZZ first. [10:25] plasma 5.8.3 would be rather nice to have :o [10:36] Hey folks [10:43] ferry: 16.08 PIM requires Qtwebengine, which is not even in Zesty yet and we would have to wait for, so it may be a little while [10:44] mparillo plasma 5.8 WILL be nice to have [10:47] I'm have 2 computers tied up doing media file backups, so Zesty testing has to wait til romorrow [10:48] I have, rather [10:50] tomorrow even...need more coffee [10:53] * BluesKaj turns auto spell check on [10:56] So it is not discussed yet? [10:57] I would prefer getting 5.7 now and take time to implement 5.8 thoroughly. [11:04] hey group, I'm trying to diagnose a problem with my kubuntu install on my laptop, but I don't have much experience [11:05] sometimes when I boot, I get the kubuntu logo, then it will disappear and I get a black screen with a underscore in the top corner [11:05] the system doesn't respond after that [11:05] usually if I reboot once or a few times, I am able to get in [11:06] this is 16.04, and the problem has been with me for about a week [11:11] any news on 5.8 backport coming to yakkety? [11:53] oi [11:53] oi [11:53] oi [11:53] oi [11:53] oi [11:53] ioi [11:53] ioi [11:53] ioi [11:53] ioik [11:53] iok [11:53] ioi [11:53] ioiiópo [11:53] [oi][ [11:53] ioppçç [11:53] [ [11:53] ~ [11:53] p [11:53] p[ [11:53] p [11:53] p [11:53] pp [11:53] ççç [11:53] ç [11:53] ç [11:53] ç [11:53] ç [11:53] ç [11:53] ç [11:53] ç === logan_ is now known as Guest58040 [13:10] @hateball: em has a point. However the best way to formulate that would be : when asked 90% of people thinks the 16.10 background is not very nice / ugly, which is an increase from 60% for 16.04 (or similar numbers) [13:12] even the splash screen is ugly [13:13] says 55% :-) [13:14] I replace the desktop background as my first priority after an install since plasma 5 was introduced [13:18] But even though I don't like the colors of the desktop in 16.10 I like the evolution from 15.10 - 16.04 - 16.10, like an animation in slow motion. [13:20] BluesKaj got a link to a screenshot of it? ... [13:22] I sort quite like the 5.5 background, but still would not keep it. The rest of the default ones have been quite awful [13:24] ForgeAus, before or after? [13:26] 16.10 default splash http://i.imgur.com/KmY5eFm.png [13:47] https://youtu.be/srHLiHiLmrg [13:51] ok well maybe its just me but of that evolution the first one I liked better... [14:01] I don't like the login or the splash, both are "fugly" to me [14:02] in theory I think I kinda like the colors but they don't seem to work together for some reason... [14:04] I tend to set a dark wallpaper and do away with the splash screen altogether [14:05] I'm waiting for more splash options like the kde4 splash screen options === jeremy is now known as ZeBigDuck [14:43] I always go back to elarun, because i like blue [14:45] the new black plasma 5.8 one is nice. simple. [14:46] though feels a bit windows inspired :/ [15:07] But this is distracting me from my main question: Kontact (in Yakkety) broke drag/drop of attachments. Is there a way around that? === yuriy is now known as yuradoc [15:17] !Imac [15:17] hmm [15:18] !mac [15:18] For help on installing and using Ubuntu on a Mac, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MactelSupportTeam/CommunityHelpPages [15:18] !ppc [15:18] PowerPC. Formerly used by Apple for the Macintosh line of computers. Variants are now used in popular gaming consoles. PPC was a fully supported Ubuntu architecture until 6.10. It is now a community port, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ [15:32] hello all [15:32] thanks genii :-) [15:34] trying to mount a vmdk that is a FAT32 but its failing whats is the correct way to mount the vmdk file [15:35] hi === helium-3 is now known as dilfridge [17:14] Am I wrong here? Isn't this the official kubuntu support channel? Is there anybody out there who uses Cryptomator on Kubuntu? I just wanne know, whether the problem is on my side or it's an kubuntu issue. On my desktop the UI looks like this [17:14] (Photo, 680x493) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/GQhjLI93/file_1041.jpg [17:19] Yes, this is the official Kubuntu support channel. That doesn't necessarily mean that there's always someone here who has used every piece of software available. [17:19] !info Cryptomator [17:19] Package Cryptomator does not exist in yakkety [17:20] Especially if it's software that isn't part of the Ubuntu repositories [17:26] Sorry. I didn't want to be unkind. I just wanne know if there is somebody who uses this software [17:29] It's okay, no need to be sorry. I just wanted to make sure you know what to expect here. [17:30] unpolite? rude? [17:31] Can I just expect support for software that is part of the Ubuntu repositories? [17:39] It's far more likely that someone here will be able to help, so that's probably a reasonable expectation === jacob_ is now known as Guest14785 [17:39] If someone can help with software from outside the repositories, they will, but the odds are pretty low that anyone will be able to help [17:54] okay. Thanks === est31 is now known as est === lethu_ is now known as lethu [19:19] kass ahllla [19:31] I am trying to run KDE without KWIN and plasma, it works as such [19:32] however, settings do not take effect [19:32] so if I change icon theme, from systemsettings5, it will applay and show no error but icons will also not change [19:33] what maybe going wrong? [19:34] for now I am starting kde via .xsession, I have disabled plasmashell and export KDEWM to startkde [19:37] araj, well good luck with that [19:39] BluesKaj_: It seems I need lot of it [19:41] kde/plasma is the Kubuntu-Desktop, if you don't use it , then don't expect support here, araj [19:41] h [19:41] hi [19:41] i get a black screen after installing nvidia recommended driver [19:41] i can drop to console and startx fine though [19:42] !nomodeset | mixxit [19:42] mixxit: A common kernel (boot)parameter is nomodeset, which is needed for some graphic cards that otherwise boot into a black screen or show corrupted splash screen. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132 on how to use this parameter [19:42] doesnt work [19:43] first thing i tried :-) [19:43] BluesKaj_: kubuntu is not just limitede to desktop but it also includes apps [19:44] mixxit, did you update and upgrade your packages before installing the driver [19:44] yeah [19:44] brb gonna try disabling secure boot [19:46] araj, those apps use kde/plasma [19:47] BluesKaj_: really!! for example I do not see relation between konsole and plasma [19:48] BluesKaj_: what if some body wants to use a KDE app from another deskopt env. it can't be like all or nothing case [19:49] araj, this is not a debate, we support those who use kde/plasma if you wish not to do so then go to #ubuntu chat for support...they might help you [19:51] BluesKaj_: i see, thanks for your time [19:51] uffda if you dont want to help then dont.. it really is that simple [20:46] hi guys [20:46] i just came in here a sec ago about my problem with black screen after installing nvidia drivers [20:46] i reinstalled kde and followed this procedure: [20:46] 1) Logged in and updated kubuntu [20:46] 2) Restarted [20:46] 3) Installed recommended proprietary nvidia drivers [20:46] 4) Restart and i was able to login [20:47] 5) Created new user [20:47] 6) Logged in as new user [20:47] 7) Deleted Oem user, restarted [20:47] Now i get a black screen [20:47] it seems that maybe sddm is somehow tied to the oem user? [20:48] sorry* i say reinstalled kde i mean i reinstalled kubuntu from scratch [20:52] have you looked at the X log to see what it has to say? /var/log/Xorg.0.log [20:52] well i can login command line and startx fine [20:53] oh.. thats interesting [20:54] by oem user are you meaning the one that the installer created? [20:54] do you know how to disable auto login [20:54] cause im thinking its trying to auto login as oem [20:54] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sddm/+bug/1499243 [20:54] Launchpad bug 1499243 in sddm (Ubuntu) "sddm hangs when autologin set to a non-existent user" [Undecided,New] [20:54] reading this [20:54] I am unaware of any oem user [20:56] autologin settings for sddm are in /etc/sddm.conf [20:59] ok thats set to oem [20:59] i dont want auto login anyway, can i remove the file? [20:59] or just remove hte [Autologin] section? [20:59] dont do that if you want sddm to work :) comment out the line with a # symbol [20:59] just User=oem ? [20:59] manpage says "User= Name of the user to automatically log in when the system starts first time. Default value is empty." so maybe just make make it blank [20:59] great ok restarting now, thanks! [21:00] that got it thanks [21:00] i've submitted my 2cp to the bug report [21:01] awesome! glad to have helped [21:01] \o/ [21:14] hey yall [21:15] i got some issue with my network, internet connection ... i cant accesse all website [21:15] only main such as google yahoo and search result but only if it is for iguess an IPV6 === tim__ is now known as _tim_ [21:52] sa_: Prental control.... and no, we won't help you :D [22:14] A note to all helpers and lurkers: LTS to LTS upgrade of Kubuntu from 14.04 to 16.04 should not be used. The issue has been added to the Xerus Release Notes section now at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes#Upgrade [22:16] thanks for the notice.. any details or a ticket I can look at? [22:19] We're looking at maybe documenting what to do to recover a system in this broken state, there may be more later. Currently no tickets regarding this however. [22:25] rattking: There may be something in the #kubuntu-devel mailing list archives about it [22:26] awesome thanks [22:28] Hesediel was removed by: Hesediel