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hikikohello :)05:42
flexiondotorgMorning hikiko08:27
hikikogood morning flexiondotorg08:28
Laneyyo09:00
TheMusoHey Laney.09:00
flexiondotorgMorning Laney TheMuso09:00
TheMusoHey flexiondotorg.09:00
Laneyhi TheMuso & flexiondotorg09:04
Laneyhow are you?09:04
flexiondotorgIt is f-i-b-r-e day today!09:05
flexiondotorgI'm going to have to duck out for a little bit in 15 mins or so.09:05
pittihey Laney, hello flexiondotorg!09:06
pitti"get up late" day? :)09:06
flexiondotorgSo deal with that last of that. But should be up and running again in a couple of hours.09:06
pittioh no, we are an hour ahead of CET09:06
flexiondotorgpitti, Morning09:06
seb128good morning Laney flexiondotorg pitti09:07
seb128good evening TheMuso09:07
pittibonjour seb128 !09:07
flexiondotorgseb128, Morning.09:07
Laneyhey pitti seb12809:09
Laneyseb128: cold getting better?09:09
Laneypitti: Romania providing you with suitable fun?09:09
seb128Laney, yes, thanks, I had a good night and it didn't disturbe me/woke me up early this time09:10
seb128still a bit annoying today but I feel like it's mostly over09:10
seb128should be back in full shape for the w.e09:10
pittiLaney: yeah, indeed! tried the Sauna last night, and had a nice walk with mvo09:11
Laneylovely!09:12
LaneySauna was a thing that our sprint missed09:12
TheMusoflexiondotorg: I'm jellous. :) Anyway enjoy. :)09:12
TheMusoLaters folks.09:12
seb128Laney, can't have the bike, the beach, the stoopwaffels and the sauna, need to choose!09:13
didrockswho needs to choose? :)09:13
seb128but yeah, sauna sounds good09:13
didrockshey Laney, flexiondotorg, pitti, seb128 :)09:13
seb128re didrocks ;-)09:13
seb128be warned, dutch sauna is naked sauna09:13
seb128but I think it's usual for Germans as well09:14
seb128(not for french people though)09:14
seb128unsure what's the norm in the u.k?09:14
pittiseb128: yeah, same here -- #1 "no sweat on the wood" (so sit on a towel), and nothing else09:15
Laneyhaha09:17
LaneyI don't know, it's not that common here09:17
LaneyI would guess not naked though09:17
Laneyheeeeey didrocks09:18
willcookeYou have to wear a tie09:18
* flexiondotorg slopes off for a bit. Back in an hour or so...09:21
seb128hey willcooke09:26
willcookemorning seb12809:26
* seb128 wonders what a naked man with only a tie in the sauna would looks like09:26
seb128I guess it depends where the tie stops09:27
willcookeVery British09:27
willcooke:)09:27
Laneypitti: I was pilfering your amqp code from autopkgtest-cloud yesterday for an appstream project - thanks ;-)10:03
* Laney has a crappy webapp putting requests into a queue now10:03
Laneyuk government just lost the case about whether it can trigger article 50 without a vote in parliament10:09
willcookeoooooh10:09
Laneyhttps://www.judiciary.gov.uk/judgments/r-miller-v-secretary-of-state-for-exiting-the-european-union/10:10
seb128well done10:11
LaneyI don't know what that will actually change though10:12
willcookeIf parliament have to vote, does that mean it has to go through the Lords as well?10:13
LaneyI wonder10:16
LaneySave us, ye unelected chamber10:16
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willcookeseb128, do you know if the list of categories in g-s is listed in the source somewhere?10:42
willcookenvm, found it10:44
willcookehttp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/wily/gnome-software/wily/view/head:/src/plugins/gs-plugin-hardcoded-categories.c10:44
willcookeoh, that's not it - but good enough10:45
* flexiondotorg returns10:54
flexiondotorgThe future is now :-)10:54
willcookeflexiondotorg, are you full of fibre now?10:54
flexiondotorgIRC has never been so fast ;-)10:54
willcookewoot!10:55
flexiondotorgAs it happens my office is still on radio but the rest of the house is on fibre.10:55
willcookeHow's the latency?10:55
flexiondotorgI'll switch the office over tonight.10:55
flexiondotorgConnecting from this workstation over wifi to Fibra AP.10:55
flexiondotorgMuch lower than before.10:56
flexiondotorgPing times to a peer were ~127ms before.10:56
flexiondotorgNow ~12ms10:56
willcookewoah, nice10:56
didrockswelcome to the gang flexiondotorg :)11:00
flexiondotorgI know right ;-)11:01
willcookeTrevinho, hikiko  - come along on this story with me...11:17
willcookeI have 3 gedit windows open11:17
willcookeI switched between them with alt-grave11:17
willcookefirst time I hit alt-grave I see the 3 views of the windows appear11:18
willcookethe order is:11:18
willcookeWindow 1  -  WIndow 2  -  Window 311:18
willcookeI switch to window 3 say11:18
willcookethen I open alt-grave again, and now the positions are11:18
willcookeWIndow 3 - Window 2 - Window 111:18
willcookeIs it possible for me to stop it re-arranging them and just keep them in the same order all the time?11:19
willcookecos right now this is annoying the flip out of me11:19
willcookeIn my mind alt-grave twice is "Window 2" lets say, and three times for window 3, and those should always be in the same place in my mind11:20
hikikowillcooke, let me test it, is this a bug or the focused window should be first?11:45
willcookehikiko, I think it's probably personal preference11:45
willcookeif there isn't an easy fix then !care11:45
hikikowillcooke, give me 5 minutes, I have broken desktop atm, I think we could do something with the order11:47
willcookehikiko, really no hurry :)11:48
hikikowillcooke, at a 1st glance (didnt check the code) the order is: topmost window first then lower etc but we could change it to use the x position so that it has the order yuo see on the screen11:53
hikikobut if you have several rows of windows11:54
hikikowe have to have the 1st row window first, second afterwards something like that11:55
willcookehikiko, I think what I want is do the order to just be fixed, for ever.  So I know that the first window I opened is on the left and the last one is on the right11:55
willcookehikiko, Let me work out exactly what I dont like about it and we can chat later11:55
hikikook :)11:55
hikikogoing for a quick lunch break then!11:57
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hikiko|lnmmm willcooke I saw what you mean exactly,12:05
hikiko|lnI have 2 ideas to solve it:12:05
hikiko|lnif you need the order to be the creation time, we have to keep it somewhere and use it12:06
hikiko|lnbut12:06
hikiko|lnwe could have an easier fixed order12:06
hikiko|lnusing the window id12:06
hikiko|lnmost of the times the window that was created first will have < win id than the 2nd but this doesn't happen always because sometimes xserver reuses the ids12:07
hikiko|lnso you might have a fixed order that will be always:12:07
hikiko|lnwin 2, win 3, win 1 in some cases12:08
hikiko|lnbut always that12:08
hikiko|lnif that's fine it's easy to do, the other is slightly (but not much) more "complicated" because we need to store the time12:08
hikiko|lnbut still feasible12:09
hikiko|lnbrb12:11
willcookeIs it a real problem though?  Does anyone else find it annoying?12:14
hikiko|lnwell, me, I just didn't notice so far because I used to write code from xfce (to be able to attach u7 on gdb) :p12:15
* Laney doesn't really use alt-`12:23
* Laney upgrades to z12:23
Laneysuch 3.2212:25
willcookewow12:25
Laneychimney sweep time12:27
* Laney victorian12:27
Laneybrb12:27
seb128willcooke, it's a switcher, like alt-tab, having always the same number of windows open is sort of a special case12:36
seb128willcooke, the current behaviour has the nice property that you can use alt-` to switch forth and back between 2 open dialogs12:38
seb128like just press it and again12:38
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andyrockmorning13:02
Laneymeow andyrock13:02
andyrockbau Laney13:03
seb128hey andyrock, how are you?13:03
andyrockseb128 comme ci comme ça13:03
seb128oh?  what's the issue?13:03
andyrockbtw pitti wrote me that /self thing is fine13:04
andyrockseb128 I wish I could sleep more :D13:04
seb128nice for the self use ... and you can sleep again tonight don't worry!13:05
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andyrock:D13:07
Laneyyou should do a documentation patch / bug for /self ;-)13:10
andyrocki'll open a bug later on13:13
Laneyhidden systemd features13:13
andyrockseb128: any other bug?13:13
Laneyit's like finding the secrets in doom13:13
andyrockI just found out about busctl13:15
seb128andyrock, you are actively looking for things to work on or just asking in case? ;-)13:18
andyrockjust asking13:18
andyrockotherwise I switch back to unity813:18
andyrockbut if there is something affecting a lot of people13:19
andyrock...13:19
seb128andyrock, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1635625 is visible13:19
ubot5`Ubuntu bug 1635625 in unity (Ubuntu) "Some indicator icons are missing after unlocking the screen" [High,Confirmed]13:19
seb128I even asked Laney about in the planary in DenHaag13:19
andyrockoh I saw this13:19
seb128I though we had a buggy indicator13:19
seb128somebody debugged it and found the commit13:19
seb128see current comment13:19
seb128unsure if that's for you or Trevinho though13:19
Laneyis that the icon not found thing?13:19
seb128yes13:19
Laneysame thing the guy just asked abotu in #ubuntu-devel?13:20
andyrockah Marco :P13:20
seb128hehe13:20
* Laney checks who reviewed the MP ;-)13:20
seb128Laney, dunno, that guy was not specific enough, if he meant "update to 16.10" maybe13:20
seb128but it's not recent13:20
andyrockahaha13:21
andyrockXD13:21
seb128replied to him now13:21
Laneynice13:22
andyrocki'll take a look13:23
seb128thanks13:23
seb128I pointed it Trevinho13:23
seb128but it was on tuesday, then I remember it was a vac day in Italy13:23
seb128it probably got lost in the backlog13:24
Laneytoo many white russians since then13:24
Laneyaccording to telegram13:24
seb128those guys ;-)13:24
andyrockthat guy :P13:26
seb128:-)13:26
andyrockany app I could use to reproduce the issue?13:26
seb128tomboy?13:26
seb128enable screen sharing in vino13:27
seb128hum, vino doesn't do it no13:28
seb128the comment says they need custom icons13:29
seb128description says skype or electron users like wmail13:29
andyrockskype alpha does not show an icon at all13:30
andyrockon Y (at least for me)13:30
seb128it mentions custom icons13:31
seb128I would guess that e.g indicator-cpufreq should hit it13:31
seb128but I didn't try13:31
seb128https://launchpad.net/indicator-cpufreq13:31
seb128or multiload or weather13:32
andyrockoki but I see the issue, i guess that there is an easy workaround13:33
andyrocklet me try to reproduce it before13:33
seb128thanks13:34
LaneyFJKong_'s first upload https://launchpad.net/~fjkong/+uploaded-packages13:36
willcookethanks Laney, congrats FJKong_13:37
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seb128well done FJKong_!13:39
FJKong_Laney: all things goes well?13:55
FJKong_I tried to upload a package to mentors.debian.net and some error return, I put here http://paste.ubuntu.com/23420819/13:59
FJKong_I have send-key to keying.debian.org14:00
hikikoI upgraded to yakkety and there's no Droid Sans Mono anymore :s :(14:00
qenghoFJKong_: was your changes and dsc signed?14:00
FJKong_I have run debuild -S and input pass to sign it14:01
FJKong_not sure if it is caused by subkey14:01
dobeyhikiko: you use that for code?14:02
FJKong_I signed it with master key and the error is about sub key14:02
qenghoFJKong_: upload the dsc and changes somewhere so I can see.14:02
hikikodobey, it was my default on terminal and gvim :p14:03
qenghoFJKong_: The "public key not found" could mean that your signed subkey is not known to be attached to your master key.14:03
FJKong_I planed to upload to launchpad of my ppa, but it can't built by launpad, but I can build it with sbuild14:03
hikikoalso my qtcreator theme is gone :S14:03
dobeyhikiko: ah. i use Envy Code R, which i find quite nice14:03
hikikodobey, it's the first time I hear it but just googled and looks nice too (but not like droid :/) and I had droid in the menus too :p14:06
dobeyheh14:06
FJKong_qengho: how to connect sub key with master key?14:08
dobeyhikiko: looks like the droid fonts aren't free any more :-/14:09
dobeyat least, not outside of the android sdk14:10
hikikoyep :/14:10
dobeywhat a weird licensing situation that is14:10
hikikoI am going to use ubuntu, it's not bad I just loved the droid mono font14:11
hikikobut I have to change all fonts settings everywhere now :p14:11
dobeyhikiko: well i guess you can just install the package from 16.04 :)14:11
hikikohaha true!14:11
dobeyor the sdk, and copy them out from it14:12
FJKong_Laney: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEvents/gb/2016/MiniDebConfCambridge  not far from you guys. :)14:14
hikikoyep :) plus I still have a xenial machine14:14
hikikoI am gonna copy them from there!14:14
qenghoFJKong_: You need only just upload public key, I think.14:23
qenghoFJKong_: Perhaps your public key must be in some whitelist of allowed uploaders?14:23
FJKong_I have upload public key to debian server, I think14:24
Guest76787By the way, attente, just clearing out odd suspicious points: the difference of Eclipse UI difference is because the container is running 16.04, whereas the host's been upgraded to 16.10. Also installed Eclipse from archives (and dear Lord is it old), and it still had the menu issue.14:47
Guest76787Not asking to keep digging after this mess, just clearing possibly nagging doubts. It'd have nagged me for a few days at least.14:48
LaneyFJKong_: Yeah, I was wondering about going down for some of the days14:49
attenteGuest76787: ok. sorry i can't be of more help here. i still don't know why yours has no local menu while mine does14:49
attentethanks for letting me know14:49
Guest76787attente: Didn't your screenshot show Eclipse without global menu?14:50
attenteGuest76787: right, but it had a local one, so at least here it's still usable14:51
Guest76787attente: I've local one too, don14:51
Guest76787attente: I've local one too, don't worry. But my laptop screen is downright tiny.14:51
attenteGuest76787: oh really? maybe i wasn't looking carefully enough :)14:52
Guest76787I need to minimize everything except the editor and file explorer in Eclipse to do anything comfortably.14:52
Guest76787Which is why I really loved global menu for just about everything. Back in the time of Ubuntu Netbook, I forced to install it on normal machines.14:53
attenteGuest76787: is the problem with just eclipse or does it happen with other java apps as well?14:58
Guest76787attente: I don't know, I don't use any other Java apps. Do you know any small ones I can download and run?14:59
attenteGuest76787: can't think of any off the top of my head but maybe something from 'apt rdepends default-jre'15:01
attentei don't really recognize any of these so i couldn't tell you if they have menus or not15:01
Guest76787Okay, I'll take a look.15:01
Guest76787attente: Do you use Eclipse, though? Do you know what package lets Eclipse show the welcome screen in builtin browser? It's a long-shot, but maybe it has something to do with it.15:02
Guest76787Welcome screen and builtin browser.15:02
attenteGuest76787: i don't use it, but let me try to see where that comes from15:03
Guest76787Goddamn, every Java app I download all seem to be made of that ugly-ass Swing.15:13
Guest76787attente: I've confirmed it, it's not just Eclipse. All SWT apps.15:19
Guest76787Let me see if there's any SWT related packages in packages.ubuntu.com.15:19
attenteGuest76787: is jayatana installed on both your host and container? can you just double-check to make sure?15:21
Guest76787attente: Yes, after seb128 suggested, I checked and it was installed on host so I installed in container as well.15:22
Guest76787attente: You can try it out in your container, it doesn't help.15:22
seb128Guest76787, did you try if it works if you "export JAVA_TOOL_OPTIONS="-javaagent:/usr/share/java/jayatanaag.jar    $JAVA_TOOL_OPTIONS""?15:23
Guest76787seb128: I did not. Excuse me while I do. I don't understand the $JAVA_TOOL_OPTIONS part.15:24
seb128Guest76787, read the changelog entry from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jayatana/2.7-0ubuntu415:25
Guest76787Ah, gotcha.15:26
Guest76787seb128: Nope, do difference. Running apps with it only outputs the line 'Picked up JAVA_TOOL_OPTIONS: -javaagent:/usr/share/java/jayatanaag.jar' to stderr and it runs as before.15:31
seb128k, I was mentioning it in case15:31
Guest76787Yea, thanks. Narrowing down the possibilities is part of debugging, I understand.15:32
Guest76787Is there a command to purge package x and autoremove its orphaned dependencies in a single command? It's annoying to do purge x and then again do autoremove --purge.15:34
Guest76787Oh, found it: apt autoremove x --purge.15:35
attentekenvandine: hey, do you think https://code.launchpad.net/~attente/content-hub/content-hub-glib/+merge/309706 is ok now? i removed the autocleanup option that doesn't exist on xenial15:39
Guest76787Is there any commands like dpkg -s but works with wildcards?15:40
attenteGuest76787: apt-file -x search <pattern>15:43
Guest76787attente: Thanks, but I found dpkg -l | grep. I don't need to install apt-file.15:44
attenteGuest76787: doesn't that just search package names?15:44
attenteoh. you were talking about little s15:45
Guest76787attente: I'm using dpkg -s to see if a package is installed or not, dpkg -l is good enough.15:45
Guest76787Aye.15:45
Guest76787attente: By the way, your suggestions to mount /usr/share/fonts/ ran into a little snag. If the container app I'm installing depends on a font package, it throws up error since it can't RW the directory.15:47
kenvandineattente, i built it this morning15:51
kenvandineit's probably fine, but not sure how to test it :)15:51
kenvandineattente, i'll give it some more attention later today15:51
attentekenvandine: oh, cool. yeah, there's just the one copy-paste test in there right now, and the gtk branch15:51
attenteGuest76787: yeah, that's true, i hadn't considered that. maybe it's best to get the list of all the font packages using dpkg -S :)15:51
Guest76787attente: dpkg -S is cool, but it doesn't give me the lowest package denominator.15:52
attenteGuest76787: what do you mean? like the smallest subset of packages you need?15:55
Guest76787attente: Yea, didn't get the words right.15:55
attenteGuest76787: i was thinking of just installing all of dpkg -S /usr/share/fonts, but if you want a smaller subset, you can 'apt rdepends' some of those packages to see what depends on them15:55
Guest76787Some packages have fontx and fontx-ttf. Normally, -ttfs are automatically installed as dependencies of fontx. But it's a pain to manually to figure those out.15:56
Guest76787Yea, still manual work. Why isn't there an automatic way to figure those out? It'd make copying list of installed packages easier without making the mistake of marking unnecessary packages as manually installed.15:57
attenteGuest76787: i don't necessarily recommend this, but i have this in my bashrc:16:01
attentehttps://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/YxmZyes0/16:01
Guest76787Why do you not recommend it?16:02
attentejust as a disclaimer16:04
Guest76787By the way, would you happen to know why Server ships with aptitude but Desktop ships with apt-get?16:07
attenteGuest76787: it lists all of the manually installed packages that have a manual rdepends already installed. so you could run 'apt-mark auto' on those packages16:07
Guest76787apt is just trying to replicate aptitude's additional functions, so why not just ship aptitude?16:08
attenteGuest76787: apt is easier to type i guess :P16:08
Guest76787attente: Yeah, it's great thanks.16:08
Guest76787Hahah...16:08
Laneyflexiondotorg: Meh, the aptdaemon change doesn't seem to do anything in update-manager for me - the Vte widget is still small17:11
Laneydoes it work for you?17:11
flexiondotorgOh bother, it Vte busted too.17:14
flexiondotorgI can sort that.17:14
flexiondotorgAs for the fixes, both worked on my test VMs.17:14
flexiondotorgI'll fix Vte tomorrow and re-test and confirm.17:14
flexiondotorgThat aptdaemon is indeed fixed.17:14
flexiondotorgMostly been on snap stuff today, but I have the fix for Deja Dup too.17:14
Laneythe test script in aptdaemon works17:16
Laneybut it doesn't work in update-manager for some reason17:16
flexiondotorgI test update-manager in combination with the patch aptdaemon.17:17
flexiondotorgI'll push my local debs to a PPA for testing tomorrow.17:17
LaneyMmm17:17
Laneyright, nighty night!18:08
willcooketa ta Laney18:10
seb128night Laney18:10
seb128going to do the same, might have a look at one of my snap builds result on launchpad later but dinner for now18:10
seb128have a nice evening desktopers18:11
willcookenight seb18:11
seb128night willcooke!18:12
flexiondotorgNight all18:47
willcookecya flexiondotorg18:52
willcookeme too18:52
willcookenight all18:52
muktupavelspitti: https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm/+bug/1637758l19:12
ubot5`Ubuntu bug 1637758 in Light Display Manager "Revision 2409 introduces regression" [Undecided,New]19:12
pittimuktupavels: thanks; I think I have a rough idea about that; on a sprint this week, will look next week19:41
tjaaltonanpok: ping, looks like you need to update the libinput patches for 1.5.0..20:58
TrevinhoLaney: hey, when you've a free slot, please ack this https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/212421:17
anpoktjaalton: yes. I have an update already21:19
anpokbut havent found the time to teset..21:19
tjaaltonanpok: ah, good21:21
anpoktjaalton: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23407168/ the mx4 patch is still missing and the symbols show up in a different stanza ..21:21
anpokbut I believe the mx4 fix has alreay been integrated in a different form21:21
tjaaltonanpok: should you rename the evdev_.. functions like upstream did?21:22
anpoki think so21:22
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