[05:42] <hikiko> hello :)
[08:27] <flexiondotorg> Morning hikiko
[08:28] <hikiko> good morning flexiondotorg
[09:00] <Laney> yo
[09:00] <TheMuso> Hey Laney.
[09:00] <flexiondotorg> Morning Laney TheMuso
[09:00] <TheMuso> Hey flexiondotorg.
[09:04] <Laney> hi TheMuso & flexiondotorg
[09:04] <Laney> how are you?
[09:05] <flexiondotorg> It is f-i-b-r-e day today!
[09:05] <flexiondotorg> I'm going to have to duck out for a little bit in 15 mins or so.
[09:06] <pitti> hey Laney, hello flexiondotorg!
[09:06] <pitti> "get up late" day? :)
[09:06] <flexiondotorg> So deal with that last of that. But should be up and running again in a couple of hours.
[09:06] <pitti> oh no, we are an hour ahead of CET
[09:06] <flexiondotorg> pitti, Morning
[09:07] <seb128> good morning Laney flexiondotorg pitti
[09:07] <seb128> good evening TheMuso
[09:07] <pitti> bonjour seb128 !
[09:07] <flexiondotorg> seb128, Morning.
[09:09] <Laney> hey pitti seb128
[09:09] <Laney> seb128: cold getting better?
[09:09] <Laney> pitti: Romania providing you with suitable fun?
[09:10] <seb128> Laney, yes, thanks, I had a good night and it didn't disturbe me/woke me up early this time
[09:10] <seb128> still a bit annoying today but I feel like it's mostly over
[09:10] <seb128> should be back in full shape for the w.e
[09:11] <pitti> Laney: yeah, indeed! tried the Sauna last night, and had a nice walk with mvo
[09:12] <Laney> lovely!
[09:12] <Laney> Sauna was a thing that our sprint missed
[09:12] <TheMuso> flexiondotorg: I'm jellous. :) Anyway enjoy. :)
[09:12] <TheMuso> Laters folks.
[09:13] <seb128> Laney, can't have the bike, the beach, the stoopwaffels and the sauna, need to choose!
[09:13] <didrocks> who needs to choose? :)
[09:13] <seb128> but yeah, sauna sounds good
[09:13] <didrocks> hey Laney, flexiondotorg, pitti, seb128 :)
[09:13] <seb128> re didrocks ;-)
[09:13] <seb128> be warned, dutch sauna is naked sauna
[09:14] <seb128> but I think it's usual for Germans as well
[09:14] <seb128> (not for french people though)
[09:14] <seb128> unsure what's the norm in the u.k?
[09:15] <pitti> seb128: yeah, same here -- #1 "no sweat on the wood" (so sit on a towel), and nothing else
[09:17] <Laney> haha
[09:17] <Laney> I don't know, it's not that common here
[09:17] <Laney> I would guess not naked though
[09:18] <Laney> heeeeey didrocks
[09:18] <willcooke> You have to wear a tie
[09:21]  * flexiondotorg slopes off for a bit. Back in an hour or so...
[09:26] <seb128> hey willcooke
[09:26] <willcooke> morning seb128
[09:26]  * seb128 wonders what a naked man with only a tie in the sauna would looks like
[09:27] <seb128> I guess it depends where the tie stops
[09:27] <willcooke> Very British
[09:27] <willcooke> :)
[10:03] <Laney> pitti: I was pilfering your amqp code from autopkgtest-cloud yesterday for an appstream project - thanks ;-)
[10:03]  * Laney has a crappy webapp putting requests into a queue now
[10:09] <Laney> uk government just lost the case about whether it can trigger article 50 without a vote in parliament
[10:09] <willcooke> oooooh
[10:10] <Laney> https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/judgments/r-miller-v-secretary-of-state-for-exiting-the-european-union/
[10:11] <seb128> well done
[10:12] <Laney> I don't know what that will actually change though
[10:13] <willcooke> If parliament have to vote, does that mean it has to go through the Lords as well?
[10:16] <Laney> I wonder
[10:16] <Laney> Save us, ye unelected chamber
[10:42] <willcooke> seb128, do you know if the list of categories in g-s is listed in the source somewhere?
[10:44] <willcooke> nvm, found it
[10:44] <willcooke> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/wily/gnome-software/wily/view/head:/src/plugins/gs-plugin-hardcoded-categories.c
[10:45] <willcooke> oh, that's not it - but good enough
[10:54]  * flexiondotorg returns
[10:54] <flexiondotorg> The future is now :-)
[10:54] <willcooke> flexiondotorg, are you full of fibre now?
[10:54] <flexiondotorg> IRC has never been so fast ;-)
[10:55] <willcooke> woot!
[10:55] <flexiondotorg> As it happens my office is still on radio but the rest of the house is on fibre.
[10:55] <willcooke> How's the latency?
[10:55] <flexiondotorg> I'll switch the office over tonight.
[10:55] <flexiondotorg> Connecting from this workstation over wifi to Fibra AP.
[10:56] <flexiondotorg> Much lower than before.
[10:56] <flexiondotorg> Ping times to a peer were ~127ms before.
[10:56] <flexiondotorg> Now ~12ms
[10:56] <willcooke> woah, nice
[11:00] <didrocks> welcome to the gang flexiondotorg :)
[11:01] <flexiondotorg> I know right ;-)
[11:17] <willcooke> Trevinho, hikiko  - come along on this story with me...
[11:17] <willcooke> I have 3 gedit windows open
[11:17] <willcooke> I switched between them with alt-grave
[11:18] <willcooke> first time I hit alt-grave I see the 3 views of the windows appear
[11:18] <willcooke> the order is:
[11:18] <willcooke> Window 1  -  WIndow 2  -  Window 3
[11:18] <willcooke> I switch to window 3 say
[11:18] <willcooke> then I open alt-grave again, and now the positions are
[11:18] <willcooke> WIndow 3 - Window 2 - Window 1
[11:19] <willcooke> Is it possible for me to stop it re-arranging them and just keep them in the same order all the time?
[11:19] <willcooke> cos right now this is annoying the flip out of me
[11:20] <willcooke> In my mind alt-grave twice is "Window 2" lets say, and three times for window 3, and those should always be in the same place in my mind
[11:45] <hikiko> willcooke, let me test it, is this a bug or the focused window should be first?
[11:45] <willcooke> hikiko, I think it's probably personal preference
[11:45] <willcooke> if there isn't an easy fix then !care
[11:47] <hikiko> willcooke, give me 5 minutes, I have broken desktop atm, I think we could do something with the order
[11:48] <willcooke> hikiko, really no hurry :)
[11:53] <hikiko> willcooke, at a 1st glance (didnt check the code) the order is: topmost window first then lower etc but we could change it to use the x position so that it has the order yuo see on the screen
[11:54] <hikiko> but if you have several rows of windows
[11:55] <hikiko> we have to have the 1st row window first, second afterwards something like that
[11:55] <willcooke> hikiko, I think what I want is do the order to just be fixed, for ever.  So I know that the first window I opened is on the left and the last one is on the right
[11:55] <willcooke> hikiko, Let me work out exactly what I dont like about it and we can chat later
[11:55] <hikiko> ok :)
[11:57] <hikiko> going for a quick lunch break then!
[12:05] <hikiko|ln> mmm willcooke I saw what you mean exactly,
[12:05] <hikiko|ln> I have 2 ideas to solve it:
[12:06] <hikiko|ln> if you need the order to be the creation time, we have to keep it somewhere and use it
[12:06] <hikiko|ln> but
[12:06] <hikiko|ln> we could have an easier fixed order
[12:06] <hikiko|ln> using the window id
[12:07] <hikiko|ln> most of the times the window that was created first will have < win id than the 2nd but this doesn't happen always because sometimes xserver reuses the ids
[12:07] <hikiko|ln> so you might have a fixed order that will be always:
[12:08] <hikiko|ln> win 2, win 3, win 1 in some cases
[12:08] <hikiko|ln> but always that
[12:08] <hikiko|ln> if that's fine it's easy to do, the other is slightly (but not much) more "complicated" because we need to store the time
[12:09] <hikiko|ln> but still feasible
[12:11] <hikiko|ln> brb
[12:14] <willcooke> Is it a real problem though?  Does anyone else find it annoying?
[12:15] <hikiko|ln> well, me, I just didn't notice so far because I used to write code from xfce (to be able to attach u7 on gdb) :p
[12:23]  * Laney doesn't really use alt-`
[12:23]  * Laney upgrades to z
[12:25] <Laney> such 3.22
[12:25] <willcooke> wow
[12:27] <Laney> chimney sweep time
[12:27]  * Laney victorian
[12:27] <Laney> brb
[12:36] <seb128> willcooke, it's a switcher, like alt-tab, having always the same number of windows open is sort of a special case
[12:38] <seb128> willcooke, the current behaviour has the nice property that you can use alt-` to switch forth and back between 2 open dialogs
[12:38] <seb128> like just press it and again
[13:02] <andyrock> morning
[13:02] <Laney> meow andyrock
[13:03] <andyrock> bau Laney
[13:03] <seb128> hey andyrock, how are you?
[13:03] <andyrock> seb128 comme ci comme ça
[13:03] <seb128> oh?  what's the issue?
[13:04] <andyrock> btw pitti wrote me that /self thing is fine
[13:04] <andyrock> seb128 I wish I could sleep more :D
[13:05] <seb128> nice for the self use ... and you can sleep again tonight don't worry!
[13:07] <andyrock> :D
[13:10] <Laney> you should do a documentation patch / bug for /self ;-)
[13:13] <andyrock> i'll open a bug later on
[13:13] <Laney> hidden systemd features
[13:13] <andyrock> seb128: any other bug?
[13:13] <Laney> it's like finding the secrets in doom
[13:15] <andyrock> I just found out about busctl
[13:18] <seb128> andyrock, you are actively looking for things to work on or just asking in case? ;-)
[13:18] <andyrock> just asking
[13:18] <andyrock> otherwise I switch back to unity8
[13:19] <andyrock> but if there is something affecting a lot of people
[13:19] <andyrock> ...
[13:19] <seb128> andyrock, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1635625 is visible
[13:19] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1635625 in unity (Ubuntu) "Some indicator icons are missing after unlocking the screen" [High,Confirmed]
[13:19] <seb128> I even asked Laney about in the planary in DenHaag
[13:19] <andyrock> oh I saw this
[13:19] <seb128> I though we had a buggy indicator
[13:19] <seb128> somebody debugged it and found the commit
[13:19] <seb128> see current comment
[13:19] <seb128> unsure if that's for you or Trevinho though
[13:19] <Laney> is that the icon not found thing?
[13:19] <seb128> yes
[13:20] <Laney> same thing the guy just asked abotu in #ubuntu-devel?
[13:20] <andyrock> ah Marco :P
[13:20] <seb128> hehe
[13:20]  * Laney checks who reviewed the MP ;-)
[13:20] <seb128> Laney, dunno, that guy was not specific enough, if he meant "update to 16.10" maybe
[13:20] <seb128> but it's not recent
[13:21] <andyrock> ahaha
[13:21] <andyrock> XD
[13:21] <seb128> replied to him now
[13:22] <Laney> nice
[13:23] <andyrock> i'll take a look
[13:23] <seb128> thanks
[13:23] <seb128> I pointed it Trevinho
[13:23] <seb128> but it was on tuesday, then I remember it was a vac day in Italy
[13:24] <seb128> it probably got lost in the backlog
[13:24] <Laney> too many white russians since then
[13:24] <Laney> according to telegram
[13:24] <seb128> those guys ;-)
[13:26] <andyrock> that guy :P
[13:26] <seb128> :-)
[13:26] <andyrock> any app I could use to reproduce the issue?
[13:26] <seb128> tomboy?
[13:27] <seb128> enable screen sharing in vino
[13:28] <seb128> hum, vino doesn't do it no
[13:29] <seb128> the comment says they need custom icons
[13:29] <seb128> description says skype or electron users like wmail
[13:30] <andyrock> skype alpha does not show an icon at all
[13:30] <andyrock> on Y (at least for me)
[13:31] <seb128> it mentions custom icons
[13:31] <seb128> I would guess that e.g indicator-cpufreq should hit it
[13:31] <seb128> but I didn't try
[13:31] <seb128> https://launchpad.net/indicator-cpufreq
[13:32] <seb128> or multiload or weather
[13:33] <andyrock> oki but I see the issue, i guess that there is an easy workaround
[13:33] <andyrock> let me try to reproduce it before
[13:34] <seb128> thanks
[13:36] <Laney> FJKong_'s first upload https://launchpad.net/~fjkong/+uploaded-packages
[13:37] <willcooke> thanks Laney, congrats FJKong_
[13:39] <seb128> well done FJKong_!
[13:55] <FJKong_> Laney: all things goes well?
[13:59] <FJKong_> I tried to upload a package to mentors.debian.net and some error return, I put here http://paste.ubuntu.com/23420819/
[14:00] <FJKong_> I have send-key to keying.debian.org
[14:00] <hikiko> I upgraded to yakkety and there's no Droid Sans Mono anymore :s :(
[14:00] <qengho> FJKong_: was your changes and dsc signed?
[14:01] <FJKong_> I have run debuild -S and input pass to sign it
[14:01] <FJKong_> not sure if it is caused by subkey
[14:02] <dobey> hikiko: you use that for code?
[14:02] <FJKong_> I signed it with master key and the error is about sub key
[14:02] <qengho> FJKong_: upload the dsc and changes somewhere so I can see.
[14:03] <hikiko> dobey, it was my default on terminal and gvim :p
[14:03] <qengho> FJKong_: The "public key not found" could mean that your signed subkey is not known to be attached to your master key.
[14:03] <FJKong_> I planed to upload to launchpad of my ppa, but it can't built by launpad, but I can build it with sbuild
[14:03] <hikiko> also my qtcreator theme is gone :S
[14:03] <dobey> hikiko: ah. i use Envy Code R, which i find quite nice
[14:06] <hikiko> dobey, it's the first time I hear it but just googled and looks nice too (but not like droid :/) and I had droid in the menus too :p
[14:06] <dobey> heh
[14:08] <FJKong_> qengho: how to connect sub key with master key?
[14:09] <dobey> hikiko: looks like the droid fonts aren't free any more :-/
[14:10] <dobey> at least, not outside of the android sdk
[14:10] <hikiko> yep :/
[14:10] <dobey> what a weird licensing situation that is
[14:11] <hikiko> I am going to use ubuntu, it's not bad I just loved the droid mono font
[14:11] <hikiko> but I have to change all fonts settings everywhere now :p
[14:11] <dobey> hikiko: well i guess you can just install the package from 16.04 :)
[14:11] <hikiko> haha true!
[14:12] <dobey> or the sdk, and copy them out from it
[14:14] <FJKong_> Laney: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEvents/gb/2016/MiniDebConfCambridge  not far from you guys. :)
[14:14] <hikiko> yep :) plus I still have a xenial machine
[14:14] <hikiko> I am gonna copy them from there!
[14:23] <qengho> FJKong_: You need only just upload public key, I think.
[14:23] <qengho> FJKong_: Perhaps your public key must be in some whitelist of allowed uploaders?
[14:24] <FJKong_> I have upload public key to debian server, I think
[14:47] <Guest76787> By the way, attente, just clearing out odd suspicious points: the difference of Eclipse UI difference is because the container is running 16.04, whereas the host's been upgraded to 16.10. Also installed Eclipse from archives (and dear Lord is it old), and it still had the menu issue.
[14:48] <Guest76787> Not asking to keep digging after this mess, just clearing possibly nagging doubts. It'd have nagged me for a few days at least.
[14:49] <Laney> FJKong_: Yeah, I was wondering about going down for some of the days
[14:49] <attente> Guest76787: ok. sorry i can't be of more help here. i still don't know why yours has no local menu while mine does
[14:49] <attente> thanks for letting me know
[14:50] <Guest76787> attente: Didn't your screenshot show Eclipse without global menu?
[14:51] <attente> Guest76787: right, but it had a local one, so at least here it's still usable
[14:51] <Guest76787> attente: I've local one too, don
[14:51] <Guest76787> attente: I've local one too, don't worry. But my laptop screen is downright tiny.
[14:52] <attente> Guest76787: oh really? maybe i wasn't looking carefully enough :)
[14:52] <Guest76787> I need to minimize everything except the editor and file explorer in Eclipse to do anything comfortably.
[14:53] <Guest76787> Which is why I really loved global menu for just about everything. Back in the time of Ubuntu Netbook, I forced to install it on normal machines.
[14:58] <attente> Guest76787: is the problem with just eclipse or does it happen with other java apps as well?
[14:59] <Guest76787> attente: I don't know, I don't use any other Java apps. Do you know any small ones I can download and run?
[15:01] <attente> Guest76787: can't think of any off the top of my head but maybe something from 'apt rdepends default-jre'
[15:01] <attente> i don't really recognize any of these so i couldn't tell you if they have menus or not
[15:01] <Guest76787> Okay, I'll take a look.
[15:02] <Guest76787> attente: Do you use Eclipse, though? Do you know what package lets Eclipse show the welcome screen in builtin browser? It's a long-shot, but maybe it has something to do with it.
[15:02] <Guest76787> Welcome screen and builtin browser.
[15:03] <attente> Guest76787: i don't use it, but let me try to see where that comes from
[15:13] <Guest76787> Goddamn, every Java app I download all seem to be made of that ugly-ass Swing.
[15:19] <Guest76787> attente: I've confirmed it, it's not just Eclipse. All SWT apps.
[15:19] <Guest76787> Let me see if there's any SWT related packages in packages.ubuntu.com.
[15:21] <attente> Guest76787: is jayatana installed on both your host and container? can you just double-check to make sure?
[15:22] <Guest76787> attente: Yes, after seb128 suggested, I checked and it was installed on host so I installed in container as well.
[15:22] <Guest76787> attente: You can try it out in your container, it doesn't help.
[15:23] <seb128> Guest76787, did you try if it works if you "export JAVA_TOOL_OPTIONS="-javaagent:/usr/share/java/jayatanaag.jar    $JAVA_TOOL_OPTIONS""?
[15:24] <Guest76787> seb128: I did not. Excuse me while I do. I don't understand the $JAVA_TOOL_OPTIONS part.
[15:25] <seb128> Guest76787, read the changelog entry from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jayatana/2.7-0ubuntu4
[15:26] <Guest76787> Ah, gotcha.
[15:31] <Guest76787> seb128: Nope, do difference. Running apps with it only outputs the line 'Picked up JAVA_TOOL_OPTIONS: -javaagent:/usr/share/java/jayatanaag.jar' to stderr and it runs as before.
[15:31] <seb128> k, I was mentioning it in case
[15:32] <Guest76787> Yea, thanks. Narrowing down the possibilities is part of debugging, I understand.
[15:34] <Guest76787> Is there a command to purge package x and autoremove its orphaned dependencies in a single command? It's annoying to do purge x and then again do autoremove --purge.
[15:35] <Guest76787> Oh, found it: apt autoremove x --purge.
[15:39] <attente> kenvandine: hey, do you think https://code.launchpad.net/~attente/content-hub/content-hub-glib/+merge/309706 is ok now? i removed the autocleanup option that doesn't exist on xenial
[15:40] <Guest76787> Is there any commands like dpkg -s but works with wildcards?
[15:43] <attente> Guest76787: apt-file -x search <pattern>
[15:44] <Guest76787> attente: Thanks, but I found dpkg -l | grep. I don't need to install apt-file.
[15:44] <attente> Guest76787: doesn't that just search package names?
[15:45] <attente> oh. you were talking about little s
[15:45] <Guest76787> attente: I'm using dpkg -s to see if a package is installed or not, dpkg -l is good enough.
[15:45] <Guest76787> Aye.
[15:47] <Guest76787> attente: By the way, your suggestions to mount /usr/share/fonts/ ran into a little snag. If the container app I'm installing depends on a font package, it throws up error since it can't RW the directory.
[15:51] <kenvandine> attente, i built it this morning
[15:51] <kenvandine> it's probably fine, but not sure how to test it :)
[15:51] <kenvandine> attente, i'll give it some more attention later today
[15:51] <attente> kenvandine: oh, cool. yeah, there's just the one copy-paste test in there right now, and the gtk branch
[15:51] <attente> Guest76787: yeah, that's true, i hadn't considered that. maybe it's best to get the list of all the font packages using dpkg -S :)
[15:52] <Guest76787> attente: dpkg -S is cool, but it doesn't give me the lowest package denominator.
[15:55] <attente> Guest76787: what do you mean? like the smallest subset of packages you need?
[15:55] <Guest76787> attente: Yea, didn't get the words right.
[15:55] <attente> Guest76787: i was thinking of just installing all of dpkg -S /usr/share/fonts, but if you want a smaller subset, you can 'apt rdepends' some of those packages to see what depends on them
[15:56] <Guest76787> Some packages have fontx and fontx-ttf. Normally, -ttfs are automatically installed as dependencies of fontx. But it's a pain to manually to figure those out.
[15:57] <Guest76787> Yea, still manual work. Why isn't there an automatic way to figure those out? It'd make copying list of installed packages easier without making the mistake of marking unnecessary packages as manually installed.
[16:01] <attente> Guest76787: i don't necessarily recommend this, but i have this in my bashrc:
[16:01] <attente> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/YxmZyes0/
[16:02] <Guest76787> Why do you not recommend it?
[16:04] <attente> just as a disclaimer
[16:07] <Guest76787> By the way, would you happen to know why Server ships with aptitude but Desktop ships with apt-get?
[16:07] <attente> Guest76787: it lists all of the manually installed packages that have a manual rdepends already installed. so you could run 'apt-mark auto' on those packages
[16:08] <Guest76787> apt is just trying to replicate aptitude's additional functions, so why not just ship aptitude?
[16:08] <attente> Guest76787: apt is easier to type i guess :P
[16:08] <Guest76787> attente: Yeah, it's great thanks.
[16:08] <Guest76787> Hahah...
[17:11] <Laney> flexiondotorg: Meh, the aptdaemon change doesn't seem to do anything in update-manager for me - the Vte widget is still small
[17:11] <Laney> does it work for you?
[17:14] <flexiondotorg> Oh bother, it Vte busted too.
[17:14] <flexiondotorg> I can sort that.
[17:14] <flexiondotorg> As for the fixes, both worked on my test VMs.
[17:14] <flexiondotorg> I'll fix Vte tomorrow and re-test and confirm.
[17:14] <flexiondotorg> That aptdaemon is indeed fixed.
[17:14] <flexiondotorg> Mostly been on snap stuff today, but I have the fix for Deja Dup too.
[17:16] <Laney> the test script in aptdaemon works
[17:16] <Laney> but it doesn't work in update-manager for some reason
[17:17] <flexiondotorg> I test update-manager in combination with the patch aptdaemon.
[17:17] <flexiondotorg> I'll push my local debs to a PPA for testing tomorrow.
[17:17] <Laney> Mmm
[18:08] <Laney> right, nighty night!
[18:10] <willcooke> ta ta Laney
[18:10] <seb128> night Laney
[18:10] <seb128> going to do the same, might have a look at one of my snap builds result on launchpad later but dinner for now
[18:11] <seb128> have a nice evening desktopers
[18:11] <willcooke> night seb
[18:12] <seb128> night willcooke!
[18:47] <flexiondotorg> Night all
[18:52] <willcooke> cya flexiondotorg
[18:52] <willcooke> me too
[18:52] <willcooke> night all
[19:12] <muktupavels> pitti: https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm/+bug/1637758l
[19:12] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1637758 in Light Display Manager "Revision 2409 introduces regression" [Undecided,New]
[19:41] <pitti> muktupavels: thanks; I think I have a rough idea about that; on a sprint this week, will look next week
[20:58] <tjaalton> anpok: ping, looks like you need to update the libinput patches for 1.5.0..
[21:17] <Trevinho> Laney: hey, when you've a free slot, please ack this https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2124
[21:19] <anpok> tjaalton: yes. I have an update already
[21:19] <anpok> but havent found the time to teset..
[21:21] <tjaalton> anpok: ah, good
[21:21] <anpok> tjaalton: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23407168/ the mx4 patch is still missing and the symbols show up in a different stanza ..
[21:21] <anpok> but I believe the mx4 fix has alreay been integrated in a different form
[21:22] <tjaalton> anpok: should you rename the evdev_.. functions like upstream did?
[21:22] <anpok> i think so