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ducassehi all07:34
EriC^^hi ducasse07:35
ducassemorning EriC^^ - how are you today?07:36
EriC^^good thanks you?07:36
ducassefine so far, thanks :)07:36
ducassefound a used laptop yesterday i might buy, thinkpad t420s.07:37
* ducasse waves to Bashing-om07:39
Bashing-omWaves most as good as hugs - thanks .. feels the love .07:42
ducasseBashing-om: :) getting ready for bed yet? how has your day been?07:46
EriC^^cool07:48
Bashing-omYeah, the thought is to put it to bed .. Been a slow day support wise ... Got my Bios chip in today . You know what my morrow plans are .07:50
ducasseBashing-om: ah, good luck with that, hope it fixes the freezes.07:52
ducasseEriC^^: i _think_ that's the model that keeps getting recommended for linux, and i get a good price. need a new one, this is fatally ill.07:53
ducasse*this one07:55
Bashing-omducasse: Uh Huh on the freezes .. tomorrow, back into the fray . Take up the fight again; sure be nice if I can boot up 14.04 on the nouveau driver .07:56
Bashing-omI am outa here, yall take care .08:01
EriC^^wb ducasse10:32
ducassethanks, my isp had some issues :-/10:33
BluesKajHey folks10:36
ducassehi BluesKaj, wb10:37
BluesKajHowdy ducasse10:39
EriC^^hey BluesKaj10:39
BluesKajHi  EriC^^10:40
ducassetacos! \o/12:47
pauljwHi everyone15:32
OerHeksHi there Paul15:33
EriC^^hi pauljw15:33
OerHekssun is shining through the rainy clouds today15:34
pauljwhi EriC^^ , OerHeks hope all is well.  doing fine here today, cloudy at the moment, sun on the way.15:35
BluesKaj_Hi OerHeks15:35
OerHeksBluesKaj_, EriC^^ :-)15:35
* OerHeks runs updates again15:36
EriC^^hi OerHeks15:36
BluesKaj_on the rpi today, my other machines are occupied with media backup after a partition muck up on the Outboard yesterday15:37
pauljwah, nice that the rpi allows you to keep on keepin' on. :)15:39
BluesKaj_yeah , it's a fun thing to fool around with15:51
BluesKaj_I fear the Outboard drive is showing symptoms of aging , been looking at a 2TB to replace it15:52
pauljwBluesKaj_, i have an iomega 2T usb drive for backups, it's been a great drive for a few years now and was reasonably priced.  although i don't recall what that price was...15:55
BluesKaj_don't need an enclosure...already have 2 estata/usb with psu's15:56
BluesKaj_just an ordinary sata hdd should suffice15:57
pauljw:)15:57
BluesKaj_ Iomega..nice!15:57
* BluesKaj_ surfs amazon15:58
pauljwit has done its job well so far. :)15:58
Bashing-omMy plan: 1) backups to a backup partition on the system, - weekly 2) personal files to a external USB thumb drive -weekly; 3) personal files to an external USB thumb drive that is in a glass jar and stored in the external storage shed high on the back of a shelf - monthly :)16:01
pauljwyou have waaaay too much time on your hands, Bashing-om :D16:02
pauljwif only our state dept cared that much about security!!16:03
Bashing-omOH, time .. rsync makes it no big deal .. 2 minutes and done - the trick was setting up to comply with the desired result .16:05
Bashing-omAll it takes is ONE time loosing your data and you get real real religious .16:07
pauljwtrue, these days i don't really have much of anything to lose.  but i do regularly (2x wk)backup to the external drive as well as set restore points with Systemback.16:11
nicomachusI swear, something is up with my mouse sensitivity. I keep randomly double-clicking things that I KNOW I only clicked once.16:13
pauljwwireless? check the battery16:14
nicomachuswired. a cheap dell laser mouse16:14
pauljwah.16:14
pauljwneed to jump in the shower, biab...16:14
nicomachusI don't think that'll fix my mouse..16:14
nicomachusbut I can try it16:14
pauljw:D16:14
Bashing-omnicomachus: Think it might be a kernel thing .. I get that double click issue also on occasions . Seems in the last update the situation was corrected for me .16:15
BluesKaj_rsync once/wk or so backs up my media stuff...my music/wav and photo/jpeg files are precious...the videos are mostly movies16:15
nicomachusBashing-om: I think my kernel's up to date... what are you on?16:16
nicomachusI'm on 4.4.0-4516:17
Bashing-omBluesKaj_: Uh Huh ! Precious .. If I can not easily re-produce .. backup X2 .16:17
Bashing-omnicomachus: 3.13.0-100-generic .16:18
BluesKaj_Bashing-om, yeah , have redundncy on wife's pc as well16:18
nicomachusah, still on 14.04 stack?16:18
Bashing-omnicomachus: Yeah .. will stay on the original 14.04 stack IF possible . Have installed a new nVidia card that has no driver support ; maybe I will opt for HWE in this intance - maybe .16:20
nicomachusi'm still trying to decide if I wanna go to yakkety or stay on LTS16:20
BluesKaj_must be really new then Bashing-om16:21
Bashing-omOh my soltion to that delimma .. dual boot ! - now I am also considering VMs .16:21
nicomachuswell I'm dual-booting Windows still. haven't actually booted it in over a year... but it's there.16:22
nicomachusI wonder how many updates it will make me install the next time I DO boot it up...16:23
Bashing-omBluesKaj_: I had not anticipated that there was no driver in 14.04 ... kernel just tells me that "kepler unknown chip set " . ouch .16:23
BluesKaj_I thought vm was the way to go, but i was wrong ...too many glitches and problems so I went back to dual booting linuxes16:23
BluesKaj_Bashing-om, what's the recommended Linux driver on nvidia's site?16:24
BluesKaj_k , BBL, gotta make a beer run :-)16:29
Bashing-omBluesKaj_: 367 . before I started messing about .. 16.04 was real happy with the nouveau driver :) - trying to install proprietary the Nvidia installer just pukes and crashs the system - hense the new upgraded bios chip .16:33
pauljwback...16:48
BluesKaj_Bashing-om, which nvidia gpu is this ?17:01
Bashing-omBluesKaj_: Nvidia GeForce GT 710 .17:04
BluesKaj_that gpu should be well supported by now17:04
Bashing-omBluesKaj_: Mind ya.. a 2007 Abit main board ..17:05
BluesKaj_\ahhh17:05
Bashing-omBluesKaj_: Like I see the situat:  well supported in 16.04 on the same same machine ( multi-booting ) .17:07
Bashing-omsituation*17:07
Bashing-omWhen I am in the mood to finesse will swap that bios chip out .. but does not feel like today .17:14
nicomachusbug #117:15
ubot5`bug 1 in Ubuntu Malaysia LoCo Team "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117:16
nicomachusthat's awesome.17:16
BluesKaj_all my HW specific bookmarks have become generic pages17:16
Bashing-omI saw some time ago that Mark S had closed bug #1 .. is it reopened ?17:17
ubot5`bug 1 in Ubuntu Malaysia LoCo Team "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117:17
OerHeksBashing-om, only for gebruiker17:18
OerHekssilly nasty troll that is17:18
nicomachusIt does say "Fix Released" and is assigned to Mark17:18
OerHeksI asked to add android to that bugreport, but they denied it.17:18
nicomachusbecause Android has a larger market share than Windows.17:19
OerHeksah17:19
xXEoflaOEXxThat is why I do not use Windows17:19
Bashing-omI got #1 in my notes - somewhere .. lemme see what I can dig up .. inquiring minds want to know .17:19
daftykinsxXEoflaOEXx: what is? can't drive it? :)17:40
Bashing-omNap time .. be back in a spell .19:55
nicomachusthis mouse double-click is killing me at work today.20:38
nicomachusgonna need to get a new one.20:38
daftykinsfailing to do them, or registering single clicks as two?20:39
nicomachusmy laptop touchpad/mouse buttons don't do it, so I'm assuming it's this old, crappy mouse20:39
nicomachusit's registering singles at two20:39
nicomachuss/at/as20:39
nicomachusso if I try to open a new tab in Chrome, it opens two.20:39
daftykinsi've had a lot of success disassembling and scrubbing up to resolve that20:39
nicomachusI try to close one, it ends up closing two (including one I didn't want to close)20:39
daftykinshaha why isn't your left hand on the keyboard for shortcuts? ;)20:40
nicomachusand trying to hit a checkbox is nearly impossible20:40
daftykinsctrl+t - ctrl+w \o/20:40
nicomachusyea but what about the checkboxes?20:42
nicomachusand drop-down menus on this site we use for work20:42
nicomachusI keep opening and closing them again.20:42
daftykinsi've no idea what you mean20:43
daftykinsbut it's all about mouse + key combos20:43
nicomachuslike, a box you click that opens up a drop-down menu?20:44
daftykinswell obviously page *content* wise it'd be hell to tab through everything20:45
daftykinsbut tab management via mouse isn't something i tend to do20:45
EriC^^same here20:45
EriC^^ctrl+t ctrl-w and ctrl+number20:46
EriC^^actually alt+number20:46
EriC^^in windows it's alt+number for some reason though20:46
EriC^^i mean ctrl+number20:46
EriC^^:D20:46
EriC^^same for xchat20:47
daftykinsctrl+shift+t for those ones you just-closed-but-regret :D20:48
EriC^^left+right click is pretty awesome too for opening new links20:48
EriC^^haha yeah20:48
daftykinsoh i just have a middle mouse button (scrollwheel) :)20:49
daftykinscouldn't get by without that20:49
EriC^^that's a good one but i rarely use it, learned it and never really got to implementing it20:49
EriC^^i'm a sucker for the history button, i use it for a shit ton of pastebin links anyways20:49
daftykinsbrowsing sure goes crazy on tab count when helping XD20:50
EriC^^yeah20:51
EriC^^Bashing-om: did the new bios chip work?20:53
EriC^^wb pauljw20:53
daftykinsi'm waiting on his result for that too :D20:53
pauljwhey EriC^^ ty20:53
daftykinshttps://www.dropbox.com/sh/dbcmbqhu77yeeo0/AABloZrLGyzVV1l7XJQB19Z2a?dl=020:53
daftykinsclean windows 7 boot from an SSD on an AMD Phenom II N660 dual-core 3GHz20:54
EriC^^i stopped playing no man's sky recently20:54
daftykinsoh yeah, how'd you like it? i followed the whole drama surrounding that one20:54
EriC^^i got a little tired of it and decided to just watch the ending on youtube, wtf it's shitty as hell!20:54
EriC^^lol the ending is ridiculous20:54
R13oseHi20:54
daftykinsyeah, that's made some people so angry20:54
EriC^^you just enter a black hole or something and a little graphics and you end up in a "new galaxy"20:55
EriC^^so stupid20:55
R13oseI had to close firefox two times because of tabs issue20:55
EriC^^i'm glad i didn't play it out i had like 170,000 light years to cross or something20:55
daftykinsyeah :D i do think the devs have a chance to work on it, don't really think they're deserving of the mass hassle they've been given over it20:55
daftykinsEriC^^: i watched a twitch streamer do it XD20:55
daftykinsi think he did 5 solid days of streaming just jumping to the centre20:56
EriC^^lol20:56
EriC^^the game has some potential but it gets old really quick20:56
daftykinsi have a pic somewhere which sums up the game20:56
EriC^^the planets are almost the same in the end and it just gets boring20:56
EriC^^i think it was just like an idea to show procedural generation but it's really just that20:57
daftykinsi reckon Sony just pushed them to release too soon20:57
EriC^^i finished tomb raider few days ago, took like 2 days of playing, it was pretty awesome20:58
daftykinshmm not sure where i put my Nexus 5 backup, might be on the laptop20:59
EriC^^the graphics are pretty awesome and the game engine is nice and it had some neat quizzes and good amount of shooting and story20:59
daftykinsanyway it was the streamer on the screen in front of the playstation 4 'game has crashed' screen :D20:59
EriC^^:D21:00
EriC^^i got battlefield 121:01
EriC^^it's pretty freaking depressing21:01
EriC^^haha21:01
EriC^^i dont like fps that much anyways, especially on the console21:01
EriC^^except for maybe james bond golden eye on the n6421:01
EriC^^that was awesome21:02
daftykinsmmm some friends are talking about that one but i don't think i'll buy anymore war ones21:02
daftykinsthe one i loved loads last was Deus Ex Mankind Divided, which just had a Linux release today21:02
EriC^^cool i was thinking to get that one and didn't, figured maybe later21:02
daftykinsi might even replay :) i put a good 55hrs into that i think by the end, no stone unturned21:03
EriC^^is it 3rd person?21:03
daftykinsprimarily 1st, but switches to third when you're in cover21:04
EriC^^oh cool21:04
EriC^^destiny seemed like a nice game from youtube21:05
daftykinshttps://www.dropbox.com/sh/js2uyxhshcacs5m/AABH0SHSl18qLZDDz8-rkdz4a?dl=021:05
daftykinsgot some max quality PNG screenshots there :)21:05
EriC^^and titanfall2 recently got released, the multiplayer looked pretty awesome21:05
daftykinswell, max for 1920x1200 anyway21:05
EriC^^looks pretty awesome21:06
EriC^^i feel like getting a gaming laptop especially for fps games21:06
EriC^^console and fps is just silly21:07
daftykinsthose things are a contradiction imo, far better to have a desktop :)21:07
EriC^^i really like the laptop to be powerful, it's like if it's available why not use it, i think if i need a laptop for mobility i'd get maybe a macbook 13" and put linux or whatever on it cause they have lots of battery life and a nice ssd and very light21:15
daftykinsthey're actually far behind Windows machines now21:16
EriC^^the surface pro?21:16
daftykinsbut the idea of gaming spec components in a laptop is just crazy to me, because it renders that machine useless when it comes to upgrades21:17
EriC^^i saw a short video about it, pretty nuts21:17
EriC^^but $300021:17
EriC^^yikes21:17
daftykinsno those are still heavily flawed, the Dell XPS13 9350 i have though does 15hrs21:17
daftykinsthat said, the new generation graphics cards made such a huge jump that in a laptop they'd make a big difference21:17
EriC^^that's a good point, really i want the laptop anyways, but i thought i'd game on it when i get it recently21:18
daftykinsso anything with an nvidia 9x0 series should be 100% ignored21:18
EriC^^really most laptop specs i liked were "gaming laptops" but i didn't intend to really game on it much21:18
daftykinsthere's also that new thing where you can buy a nice thin battery orientated laptop... but then you buy a box with a power supply, plug in a desktop graphics card and plug it into the laptop over thunderbolt - and you get yourself a gaming machine :)21:19
EriC^^cool21:19
daftykinse.g. http://www.anandtech.com/show/10783/powercolor-announces-devil-box-thunderbolt-3-external-gpu-enclosure21:20
nicomachusdaftykins: like, a modular gaming laptop??21:22
nicomachusthat sounds awesome21:22
daftykinswell not really, just a laptop with thunderbolt you can plug an 'eGPU enclosure' into21:22
EriC^^the future has a lot of stuff i guess21:24
daftykinsi'm not sure if my Dell is able to use those things but if i had no desktop i'd definitely want to find out21:24
EriC^^bill gates said in an interview that he thinks the new next thing will be multiuser pc's, like a pc with multiple screens, 2 keyboards 2 mouses21:24
EriC^^lol, i'm not buying it though21:24
EriC^^(metaphorically nor literally)21:24
daftykinsback when virtualisation took off i kinda wanted my next PC to be capable of that, running two OSs at once on the same bare metal :)21:25
EriC^^that's cool21:28
EriC^^not sure he meant that though, he was saying like 2 people using the same pc at the same time21:29
EriC^^"more of everything" lots of screens lots of keyboards stuff like that21:29
EriC^^i dont think that would really be the "new thing"21:31
EriC^^who knows i guess21:32
daftykinswell i imagined it with 2 graphics cards and input devices :>21:35
EriC^^:D21:35
EriC^^oh thank god21:54
EriC^^i was just reading on control arms and it says the exact symptoms the cars been having21:54
EriC^^after i fixed the front end couple months ago the car's been feeling pretty shitty up front, and recently when i hit the breaks and turn right it's been shaking21:55
EriC^^i think the mechanic forgot to tighten the control arm and that's why it felt like shit to drive and got worse recently21:55
EriC^^i took a look at it and the bushing seemed a little out, so i looked at control arm install and it said when its worn the car's front end feels shitty and it shakes when hitting the brakes, must be it, cant wait to check, it's kind of late though21:57
EriC^^fuck it22:01
EriC^^must check :D22:01
nicomachusEriC knows better than to use that language here. :(22:12
daftykinshe gets a little enthusiastic at times is all!22:14
EriC^^nope, it's fastened from the top, it looked kind of outward from below though, maybe it's worn or was a bad new part or something22:17
Bashing-omOK, back - much refreshed -  and caught up ... All fired up, where to go .23:59

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