[07:34] <ducasse> hi all
[07:35] <EriC^^> hi ducasse
[07:36] <ducasse> morning EriC^^ - how are you today?
[07:36] <EriC^^> good thanks you?
[07:36] <ducasse> fine so far, thanks :)
[07:37] <ducasse> found a used laptop yesterday i might buy, thinkpad t420s.
[07:39]  * ducasse waves to Bashing-om
[07:42] <Bashing-om> Waves most as good as hugs - thanks .. feels the love .
[07:46] <ducasse> Bashing-om: :) getting ready for bed yet? how has your day been?
[07:48] <EriC^^> cool
[07:50] <Bashing-om> Yeah, the thought is to put it to bed .. Been a slow day support wise ... Got my Bios chip in today . You know what my morrow plans are .
[07:52] <ducasse> Bashing-om: ah, good luck with that, hope it fixes the freezes.
[07:53] <ducasse> EriC^^: i _think_ that's the model that keeps getting recommended for linux, and i get a good price. need a new one, this is fatally ill.
[07:55] <ducasse> *this one
[07:56] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Uh Huh on the freezes .. tomorrow, back into the fray . Take up the fight again; sure be nice if I can boot up 14.04 on the nouveau driver .
[08:01] <Bashing-om> I am outa here, yall take care .
[10:32] <EriC^^> wb ducasse
[10:33] <ducasse> thanks, my isp had some issues :-/
[10:36] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[10:37] <ducasse> hi BluesKaj, wb
[10:39] <BluesKaj> Howdy ducasse
[10:39] <EriC^^> hey BluesKaj
[10:40] <BluesKaj> Hi  EriC^^
[12:47] <ducasse> tacos! \o/
[15:32] <pauljw> Hi everyone
[15:33] <OerHeks> Hi there Paul
[15:33] <EriC^^> hi pauljw
[15:34] <OerHeks> sun is shining through the rainy clouds today
[15:35] <pauljw> hi EriC^^ , OerHeks hope all is well.  doing fine here today, cloudy at the moment, sun on the way.
[15:35] <BluesKaj_> Hi OerHeks
[15:35] <OerHeks> BluesKaj_, EriC^^ :-)
[15:36]  * OerHeks runs updates again
[15:36] <EriC^^> hi OerHeks
[15:37] <BluesKaj_> on the rpi today, my other machines are occupied with media backup after a partition muck up on the Outboard yesterday
[15:39] <pauljw> ah, nice that the rpi allows you to keep on keepin' on. :)
[15:51] <BluesKaj_> yeah , it's a fun thing to fool around with
[15:52] <BluesKaj_> I fear the Outboard drive is showing symptoms of aging , been looking at a 2TB to replace it
[15:55] <pauljw> BluesKaj_, i have an iomega 2T usb drive for backups, it's been a great drive for a few years now and was reasonably priced.  although i don't recall what that price was...
[15:56] <BluesKaj_> don't need an enclosure...already have 2 estata/usb with psu's
[15:57] <BluesKaj_> just an ordinary sata hdd should suffice
[15:57] <pauljw> :)
[15:57] <BluesKaj_>  Iomega..nice!
[15:58]  * BluesKaj_ surfs amazon
[15:58] <pauljw> it has done its job well so far. :)
[16:01] <Bashing-om> My plan: 1) backups to a backup partition on the system, - weekly 2) personal files to a external USB thumb drive -weekly; 3) personal files to an external USB thumb drive that is in a glass jar and stored in the external storage shed high on the back of a shelf - monthly :)
[16:02] <pauljw> you have waaaay too much time on your hands, Bashing-om :D
[16:03] <pauljw> if only our state dept cared that much about security!!
[16:05] <Bashing-om> OH, time .. rsync makes it no big deal .. 2 minutes and done - the trick was setting up to comply with the desired result .
[16:07] <Bashing-om> All it takes is ONE time loosing your data and you get real real religious .
[16:11] <pauljw> true, these days i don't really have much of anything to lose.  but i do regularly (2x wk)backup to the external drive as well as set restore points with Systemback.
[16:13] <nicomachus> I swear, something is up with my mouse sensitivity. I keep randomly double-clicking things that I KNOW I only clicked once.
[16:14] <pauljw> wireless? check the battery
[16:14] <nicomachus> wired. a cheap dell laser mouse
[16:14] <pauljw> ah.
[16:14] <pauljw> need to jump in the shower, biab...
[16:14] <nicomachus> I don't think that'll fix my mouse..
[16:14] <nicomachus> but I can try it
[16:14] <pauljw> :D
[16:15] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: Think it might be a kernel thing .. I get that double click issue also on occasions . Seems in the last update the situation was corrected for me .
[16:15] <BluesKaj_> rsync once/wk or so backs up my media stuff...my music/wav and photo/jpeg files are precious...the videos are mostly movies
[16:16] <nicomachus> Bashing-om: I think my kernel's up to date... what are you on?
[16:17] <nicomachus> I'm on 4.4.0-45
[16:17] <Bashing-om> BluesKaj_: Uh Huh ! Precious .. If I can not easily re-produce .. backup X2 .
[16:18] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: 3.13.0-100-generic .
[16:18] <BluesKaj_> Bashing-om, yeah , have redundncy on wife's pc as well
[16:18] <nicomachus> ah, still on 14.04 stack?
[16:20] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: Yeah .. will stay on the original 14.04 stack IF possible . Have installed a new nVidia card that has no driver support ; maybe I will opt for HWE in this intance - maybe .
[16:20] <nicomachus> i'm still trying to decide if I wanna go to yakkety or stay on LTS
[16:21] <BluesKaj_> must be really new then Bashing-om
[16:21] <Bashing-om> Oh my soltion to that delimma .. dual boot ! - now I am also considering VMs .
[16:22] <nicomachus> well I'm dual-booting Windows still. haven't actually booted it in over a year... but it's there.
[16:23] <nicomachus> I wonder how many updates it will make me install the next time I DO boot it up...
[16:23] <Bashing-om> BluesKaj_: I had not anticipated that there was no driver in 14.04 ... kernel just tells me that "kepler unknown chip set " . ouch .
[16:23] <BluesKaj_> I thought vm was the way to go, but i was wrong ...too many glitches and problems so I went back to dual booting linuxes
[16:24] <BluesKaj_> Bashing-om, what's the recommended Linux driver on nvidia's site?
[16:29] <BluesKaj_> k , BBL, gotta make a beer run :-)
[16:33] <Bashing-om> BluesKaj_: 367 . before I started messing about .. 16.04 was real happy with the nouveau driver :) - trying to install proprietary the Nvidia installer just pukes and crashs the system - hense the new upgraded bios chip .
[16:48] <pauljw> back...
[17:01] <BluesKaj_> Bashing-om, which nvidia gpu is this ?
[17:04] <Bashing-om> BluesKaj_: Nvidia GeForce GT 710 .
[17:04] <BluesKaj_> that gpu should be well supported by now
[17:05] <Bashing-om> BluesKaj_: Mind ya.. a 2007 Abit main board ..
[17:05] <BluesKaj_> \ahhh
[17:07] <Bashing-om> BluesKaj_: Like I see the situat:  well supported in 16.04 on the same same machine ( multi-booting ) .
[17:07] <Bashing-om> situation*
[17:14] <Bashing-om> When I am in the mood to finesse will swap that bios chip out .. but does not feel like today .
[17:15] <nicomachus> bug #1
[17:16] <ubot5`> bug 1 in Ubuntu Malaysia LoCo Team "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[17:16] <nicomachus> that's awesome.
[17:16] <BluesKaj_> all my HW specific bookmarks have become generic pages
[17:17] <Bashing-om> I saw some time ago that Mark S had closed bug #1 .. is it reopened ?
[17:17] <ubot5`> bug 1 in Ubuntu Malaysia LoCo Team "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[17:18] <OerHeks> Bashing-om, only for gebruiker
[17:18] <OerHeks> silly nasty troll that is
[17:18] <nicomachus> It does say "Fix Released" and is assigned to Mark
[17:18] <OerHeks> I asked to add android to that bugreport, but they denied it.
[17:19] <nicomachus> because Android has a larger market share than Windows.
[17:19] <OerHeks> ah
[17:19] <xXEoflaOEXx> That is why I do not use Windows
[17:19] <Bashing-om> I got #1 in my notes - somewhere .. lemme see what I can dig up .. inquiring minds want to know .
[17:40] <daftykins> xXEoflaOEXx: what is? can't drive it? :)
[19:55] <Bashing-om> Nap time .. be back in a spell .
[20:38] <nicomachus> this mouse double-click is killing me at work today.
[20:38] <nicomachus> gonna need to get a new one.
[20:39] <daftykins> failing to do them, or registering single clicks as two?
[20:39] <nicomachus> my laptop touchpad/mouse buttons don't do it, so I'm assuming it's this old, crappy mouse
[20:39] <nicomachus> it's registering singles at two
[20:39] <nicomachus> s/at/as
[20:39] <nicomachus> so if I try to open a new tab in Chrome, it opens two.
[20:39] <daftykins> i've had a lot of success disassembling and scrubbing up to resolve that
[20:39] <nicomachus> I try to close one, it ends up closing two (including one I didn't want to close)
[20:40] <daftykins> haha why isn't your left hand on the keyboard for shortcuts? ;)
[20:40] <nicomachus> and trying to hit a checkbox is nearly impossible
[20:40] <daftykins> ctrl+t - ctrl+w \o/
[20:42] <nicomachus> yea but what about the checkboxes?
[20:42] <nicomachus> and drop-down menus on this site we use for work
[20:42] <nicomachus> I keep opening and closing them again.
[20:43] <daftykins> i've no idea what you mean
[20:43] <daftykins> but it's all about mouse + key combos
[20:44] <nicomachus> like, a box you click that opens up a drop-down menu?
[20:45] <daftykins> well obviously page *content* wise it'd be hell to tab through everything
[20:45] <daftykins> but tab management via mouse isn't something i tend to do
[20:45] <EriC^^> same here
[20:46] <EriC^^> ctrl+t ctrl-w and ctrl+number
[20:46] <EriC^^> actually alt+number
[20:46] <EriC^^> in windows it's alt+number for some reason though
[20:46] <EriC^^> i mean ctrl+number
[20:46] <EriC^^> :D
[20:47] <EriC^^> same for xchat
[20:48] <daftykins> ctrl+shift+t for those ones you just-closed-but-regret :D
[20:48] <EriC^^> left+right click is pretty awesome too for opening new links
[20:48] <EriC^^> haha yeah
[20:49] <daftykins> oh i just have a middle mouse button (scrollwheel) :)
[20:49] <daftykins> couldn't get by without that
[20:49] <EriC^^> that's a good one but i rarely use it, learned it and never really got to implementing it
[20:49] <EriC^^> i'm a sucker for the history button, i use it for a shit ton of pastebin links anyways
[20:50] <daftykins> browsing sure goes crazy on tab count when helping XD
[20:51] <EriC^^> yeah
[20:53] <EriC^^> Bashing-om: did the new bios chip work?
[20:53] <EriC^^> wb pauljw
[20:53] <daftykins> i'm waiting on his result for that too :D
[20:53] <pauljw> hey EriC^^ ty
[20:53] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/dbcmbqhu77yeeo0/AABloZrLGyzVV1l7XJQB19Z2a?dl=0
[20:54] <daftykins> clean windows 7 boot from an SSD on an AMD Phenom II N660 dual-core 3GHz
[20:54] <EriC^^> i stopped playing no man's sky recently
[20:54] <daftykins> oh yeah, how'd you like it? i followed the whole drama surrounding that one
[20:54] <EriC^^> i got a little tired of it and decided to just watch the ending on youtube, wtf it's shitty as hell!
[20:54] <EriC^^> lol the ending is ridiculous
[20:54] <R13ose> Hi
[20:54] <daftykins> yeah, that's made some people so angry
[20:55] <EriC^^> you just enter a black hole or something and a little graphics and you end up in a "new galaxy"
[20:55] <EriC^^> so stupid
[20:55] <R13ose> I had to close firefox two times because of tabs issue
[20:55] <EriC^^> i'm glad i didn't play it out i had like 170,000 light years to cross or something
[20:55] <daftykins> yeah :D i do think the devs have a chance to work on it, don't really think they're deserving of the mass hassle they've been given over it
[20:55] <daftykins> EriC^^: i watched a twitch streamer do it XD
[20:56] <daftykins> i think he did 5 solid days of streaming just jumping to the centre
[20:56] <EriC^^> lol
[20:56] <EriC^^> the game has some potential but it gets old really quick
[20:56] <daftykins> i have a pic somewhere which sums up the game
[20:56] <EriC^^> the planets are almost the same in the end and it just gets boring
[20:57] <EriC^^> i think it was just like an idea to show procedural generation but it's really just that
[20:57] <daftykins> i reckon Sony just pushed them to release too soon
[20:58] <EriC^^> i finished tomb raider few days ago, took like 2 days of playing, it was pretty awesome
[20:59] <daftykins> hmm not sure where i put my Nexus 5 backup, might be on the laptop
[20:59] <EriC^^> the graphics are pretty awesome and the game engine is nice and it had some neat quizzes and good amount of shooting and story
[20:59] <daftykins> anyway it was the streamer on the screen in front of the playstation 4 'game has crashed' screen :D
[21:00] <EriC^^> :D
[21:01] <EriC^^> i got battlefield 1
[21:01] <EriC^^> it's pretty freaking depressing
[21:01] <EriC^^> haha
[21:01] <EriC^^> i dont like fps that much anyways, especially on the console
[21:01] <EriC^^> except for maybe james bond golden eye on the n64
[21:02] <EriC^^> that was awesome
[21:02] <daftykins> mmm some friends are talking about that one but i don't think i'll buy anymore war ones
[21:02] <daftykins> the one i loved loads last was Deus Ex Mankind Divided, which just had a Linux release today
[21:02] <EriC^^> cool i was thinking to get that one and didn't, figured maybe later
[21:03] <daftykins> i might even replay :) i put a good 55hrs into that i think by the end, no stone unturned
[21:03] <EriC^^> is it 3rd person?
[21:04] <daftykins> primarily 1st, but switches to third when you're in cover
[21:04] <EriC^^> oh cool
[21:05] <EriC^^> destiny seemed like a nice game from youtube
[21:05] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/js2uyxhshcacs5m/AABH0SHSl18qLZDDz8-rkdz4a?dl=0
[21:05] <daftykins> got some max quality PNG screenshots there :)
[21:05] <EriC^^> and titanfall2 recently got released, the multiplayer looked pretty awesome
[21:05] <daftykins> well, max for 1920x1200 anyway
[21:06] <EriC^^> looks pretty awesome
[21:06] <EriC^^> i feel like getting a gaming laptop especially for fps games
[21:07] <EriC^^> console and fps is just silly
[21:07] <daftykins> those things are a contradiction imo, far better to have a desktop :)
[21:15] <EriC^^> i really like the laptop to be powerful, it's like if it's available why not use it, i think if i need a laptop for mobility i'd get maybe a macbook 13" and put linux or whatever on it cause they have lots of battery life and a nice ssd and very light
[21:16] <daftykins> they're actually far behind Windows machines now
[21:16] <EriC^^> the surface pro?
[21:17] <daftykins> but the idea of gaming spec components in a laptop is just crazy to me, because it renders that machine useless when it comes to upgrades
[21:17] <EriC^^> i saw a short video about it, pretty nuts
[21:17] <EriC^^> but $3000
[21:17] <EriC^^> yikes
[21:17] <daftykins> no those are still heavily flawed, the Dell XPS13 9350 i have though does 15hrs
[21:17] <daftykins> that said, the new generation graphics cards made such a huge jump that in a laptop they'd make a big difference
[21:18] <EriC^^> that's a good point, really i want the laptop anyways, but i thought i'd game on it when i get it recently
[21:18] <daftykins> so anything with an nvidia 9x0 series should be 100% ignored
[21:18] <EriC^^> really most laptop specs i liked were "gaming laptops" but i didn't intend to really game on it much
[21:19] <daftykins> there's also that new thing where you can buy a nice thin battery orientated laptop... but then you buy a box with a power supply, plug in a desktop graphics card and plug it into the laptop over thunderbolt - and you get yourself a gaming machine :)
[21:19] <EriC^^> cool
[21:20] <daftykins> e.g. http://www.anandtech.com/show/10783/powercolor-announces-devil-box-thunderbolt-3-external-gpu-enclosure
[21:22] <nicomachus> daftykins: like, a modular gaming laptop??
[21:22] <nicomachus> that sounds awesome
[21:22] <daftykins> well not really, just a laptop with thunderbolt you can plug an 'eGPU enclosure' into
[21:24] <EriC^^> the future has a lot of stuff i guess
[21:24] <daftykins> i'm not sure if my Dell is able to use those things but if i had no desktop i'd definitely want to find out
[21:24] <EriC^^> bill gates said in an interview that he thinks the new next thing will be multiuser pc's, like a pc with multiple screens, 2 keyboards 2 mouses
[21:24] <EriC^^> lol, i'm not buying it though
[21:24] <EriC^^> (metaphorically nor literally)
[21:25] <daftykins> back when virtualisation took off i kinda wanted my next PC to be capable of that, running two OSs at once on the same bare metal :)
[21:28] <EriC^^> that's cool
[21:29] <EriC^^> not sure he meant that though, he was saying like 2 people using the same pc at the same time
[21:29] <EriC^^> "more of everything" lots of screens lots of keyboards stuff like that
[21:31] <EriC^^> i dont think that would really be the "new thing"
[21:32] <EriC^^> who knows i guess
[21:35] <daftykins> well i imagined it with 2 graphics cards and input devices :>
[21:35] <EriC^^> :D
[21:54] <EriC^^> oh thank god
[21:54] <EriC^^> i was just reading on control arms and it says the exact symptoms the cars been having
[21:55] <EriC^^> after i fixed the front end couple months ago the car's been feeling pretty shitty up front, and recently when i hit the breaks and turn right it's been shaking
[21:55] <EriC^^> i think the mechanic forgot to tighten the control arm and that's why it felt like shit to drive and got worse recently
[21:57] <EriC^^> i took a look at it and the bushing seemed a little out, so i looked at control arm install and it said when its worn the car's front end feels shitty and it shakes when hitting the brakes, must be it, cant wait to check, it's kind of late though
[22:01] <EriC^^> fuck it
[22:01] <EriC^^> must check :D
[22:12] <nicomachus> EriC knows better than to use that language here. :(
[22:14] <daftykins> he gets a little enthusiastic at times is all!
[22:17] <EriC^^> nope, it's fastened from the top, it looked kind of outward from below though, maybe it's worn or was a bad new part or something
[23:59] <Bashing-om> OK, back - much refreshed -  and caught up ... All fired up, where to go .