[00:11] <chelios> he there, is anyone able to tell me how to disable focus follows mouse? I reversed the changes I made to enable it but it makes no difference.
[00:15] <martn> Hi folks, is there an installer image for mate that does not install the bootloader by default?  Like good old alternate installer?
[00:57] <chelios> drab: the is was between chair and keyboard :-/  I fixed a typo in the playbook and didn't save it but in my blinkered state did not notice
[00:57] <chelios> thanks for your assistance :-)
[00:57] <chelios> s/the is was/the problem was
[08:28] <adronuz> hi
[08:29] <adronuz> spanish?
[08:29] <adronuz> pleas i need help
[08:29] <adronuz> i try to active desktop efects  on ubuntu mate but i can't
[10:34] <Daniel_V> Hi all. I would appreciate some advise on whether to install the 32bit or 64bit version of Ubuntu Mate on my pc. Is this the right place?
[10:34] <alkisg> Daniel_V: what are your pc specs? Which CPU and how much RAM?
[10:34] <Daniel_V> CPU: Intel Core2 Duo CPU E6550 @ 2.33GHz × 2
[10:34] <Daniel_V> Video: GeForce 8600 GT/PCIe/SSE2
[10:34] <Daniel_V> RAM: 2 GB
[10:34] <Daniel_V> SSD: 60 GB OCZ Vertex2
[10:34] <Daniel_V> Monitor: Philips 277E6EDAD
[10:35] <alkisg> Go for the 64 bit version
[10:37] <Daniel_V> ok thnx. the download page says >3GB = 64bit, <2Gb = 32bit. But exactly 2GB does not fit in either.... that's why I am asking.
[10:39] <alkisg> You miss some RAM but you gain some speed, it's a tradeoff
[10:39] <Daniel_V> I am currrently running Ubuntu Unity 16.04 64-bit but I would like to try out Ubuntu Mate to see whether this runs better / more responsive.
[10:39] <Daniel_V> Although I am a happy user of the Unity interface, I have some trouble running Chromium / Chrome: it frequently freezes up my pc. When I run TOP at those moments I can see that kswapd is the culprit. As a temporary solution I use Firefox instead.
[10:39] <Daniel_V> I thought that perhaps MATE would handle Chrome/Chromium better.
[10:39] <alkisg> It also depends on what you want to run
[10:39] <alkisg> But the difference will be small with your CPU/RAM, so don't worry too much about the 32/64 bit version, as long as all your apps run there
[10:39] <alkisg> Also, if you're using google chrome, you *need* 64 bit, as they don't support 32 bit since last year
[10:40] <Daniel_V> aha. didn
[10:40] <alkisg> kswapd means that you've exhausted your RAM
[10:40] <Daniel_V> didn't know that , thnx
[10:40] <Daniel_V> I also use Evolution as mail client. That's quite RAM-hungry as wel.
[10:40] <alkisg> Buy more RAM or open less tabs
[10:40] <alkisg> In general, if running `free` says that your swap file is in use, that's bad news
[10:41] <Daniel_V> My motherboard supports 2Gb max... time to build a new system I think. For the time being I will try Mate 64bit.
[10:41] <alkisg> That sounds strange, it should support  at least up to 4 gb
[10:41] <alkisg> What is the board model?
[10:42] <Daniel_V> easy way to check this via command line?
[10:42] <alkisg> sudo lshw | less
[10:42] <alkisg> You'll see a long list there, at some point it will mention the board and the ram slots and everything
[10:43] <Daniel_V> product: P5GC-MX/1333
[10:43] <Daniel_V> vendor: ASUSTeK Computer INC.
[10:44] <alkisg> Memory2 x DIMM, max. 4GB,
[10:44] <alkisg> https://www.asus.com/gr/Motherboards/P5GCMX1333/specifications/
[10:45] <alkisg> So if you're happy with unity etc, keep it and just put more ram
[10:46] <Daniel_V> great suggestion, thnx for your help!
[10:46] <alkisg> np
[16:33] <mate|82011> hello
[16:34] <mate|82011> anybody there?
[16:35] <ouroumov> hi mate|82011
[16:35] <mate|82011> hi
[16:35] <ouroumov> Something we can help you with?
[16:35] <mate|82011> man i hava a litter question
[16:41] <mate|82011> I use Ubuntu Mate 16.04 and i tried to install the Ubuntu 16.10 today and i noticed that it's no longer possible to change the Customize Theme Color
[16:41] <mate|82011> is it right?
[16:42] <ouroumov> Yes. This is due to the move to GTK3.
[16:43] <ouroumov> See https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mate/+bug/1626960
[16:43] <mate|82011> sorry for the inglês. it's not my native language
[16:44] <mate|82011> english*
[16:44] <ouroumov> mate|82011, no problem.
[16:45] <ouroumov> mate|82011, basically because of the move to GTK3, the application that used to tweak colors can no longer do that. So that feature no longer exist. If you really need it, stick to 16.04.
[16:47] <mate|82011> Man this is bad. That was what I most liked in the Mate.
[16:48] <mate|82011> okay
[16:48] <mate|82011> Thank you very much
[16:48] <ouroumov> yw
[16:49] <ouroumov> flexiondotorg, color customizations have to be done in style directly now I imagine?
[16:50] <ouroumov> Like fooling around with .css files and such?
[17:03] <ouroumov> flexiondotorg, given the target audience for Ubuntu MATE, I would recommend removal of features, however infrequent, be indicated in bold <h1> etc, instead of buried in the changelog ^^'
[17:07] <flexiondotorg> OK.
[17:07] <flexiondotorg> The only feature being removed are those that GTK3+ simply has no provision to support.
[18:46] <khw> I need help getting ubuntu to boot on my new windows laptop.  The sticking point now is getting the bios to see either a .iso image on either the cd drive or a usb flash drive, so that I can add that to the boot sequence
[18:46] <khw> It says "Boot Name Not Found"
[20:17] <SWAT> since upgrading from 16.04 to 16.10 my mate-settings-daemon keeps on crashing (sigabrt) and I don't know why. It keeps respawning very quickly, causing a sluggish (effectively non-workable) desktop. Switched to Xubuntu for the time being. Any advice to debug this?
[20:20] <ouroumov_> SWAT, dunno, maybe upgrade-related issue.
[20:23] <SWAT> the upgrade went fine. Forums hint on it might be related to the ATI card (which seems strange, since with Xubuntu all is well)
[22:05] <nicholas_> hello?
[22:06] <nicholas_> i have a question about theming
[22:06] <nicholas_> i have 16.04.1 on one laptop, and 16.10 on the other
[22:06] <nicholas_> 16.04.1 lets me use a very realistic Redmond theme, but that seems to be gone in 16.10
[22:07] <nicholas_> the overall look of the buttons arent the same
[22:08] <nicholas_> anyone?
[22:09] <nicholas_> i cant tell if im in the right place or not
[22:14] <masnell> nicholas_: Yes, they are different. What is your question regarding this?
[22:18] <nicholas_> i was wondering if i could replace the one from 16.10 with the one from 16.04.1
[22:19] <nicholas_> im new to linux, but i love Mate so far. Nice job!
[22:31] <ouroumov_>  nicholas_, I don't think it's possible
[22:31] <nicholas_> oh, darn
[22:31] <ouroumov_> Appearance mismatch is probably due to the move to GTK3+
[22:31] <nicholas_> ah
[22:32] <nicholas_> so no GTK3+ in 16.04.1?
[22:39] <ouroumov_> yeah nicholas_
[22:39] <ouroumov_> 16.10 is full GTK3
[22:39] <nicholas_> ok thanks
[22:40] <nicholas_> any chance of the theme being ported over in a future release?
[22:40] <ouroumov_> I'm not sure it can be ported, but feel free to ask on our forums
[22:40] <nicholas_> ok thanks again