[00:17] <krabador> hi , someone here?
[00:20] <krabador> !ops
[00:20] <SonikkuAmerica> krabador: You rang?
[00:21] <krabador> SonikkuAmerica, hi , excuse my intrusion, i'm an italian ircop of #ubuntu-it
[00:21] <SonikkuAmerica> OK, need something from us?
[00:22] <krabador> SonikkuAmerica, i would know what it can be done , if sometime a more verbose log is needed
[00:22] <SonikkuAmerica> Ah.
[00:23] <SonikkuAmerica> Give me a moment to connect with someone who might be able to assist you further.
[00:23] <krabador> ok
[00:23] <SonikkuAmerica> Someone should be with you shortly.
[00:23] <dax> krabador: I don't understand the question, can you elaborate on the problem you're having?
[00:24] <dax> oh. are you looking for https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/11/02/%23ubuntu-it.txt except with joins/parts/quits/bans/etc.?
[00:24] <krabador> sometime it can be useful to have in the official log, login/logout messages and kick/ban messages
[00:24] <krabador> yes+
[00:24] <dax> if so, we can't provide that, it's up to people who are actually in the channel to log it if they want
[00:25] <dax> official irclogs.ubuntu.com logs very deliberately do not keep those details
[00:26] <elky> if something is needed for very important reasons such as legal problems then you could talk to the canonical sysadmins who run ubuntulog and they may be able to provide unfiltered logs.
[00:27] <elky> but that would need to be a very serious request and they may still decline to help
[00:27] <dax> it would not at all surprise me if ubuntulog is configured to not log those
[00:27] <dax> it's an irssi instance, and if i were doing things i'd just have irssi do the filtering out, put the logs in the right place, and then let the html parser do its thing
[00:28] <krabador> that's the point i want talk about. If it can be the possibility to set a more verbose log only for a particular channel,if loco ircops are decided they need
[00:28] <dax> no
[00:28] <elky> you'd have to ask the sysadmins but i doubt it. you would need to run your own separate log bot otherwise.
[00:28] <dax> if your channel wants to publish logs on its own platform using its own system and notify its users separately, that is fine
[00:28] <dax> but irclogs.ubuntu.com is the way that it is for good reasons
[00:29] <krabador> ok, but a separate log, it's not properly official
[00:29] <krabador> users can not recognize it as official
[00:29] <dax> then have one of your ops do it
[00:29] <krabador> and sometime it can be very annoying
[00:30] <krabador> no problem , to do a log by ourseves
[00:30] <krabador> *ourselves
[00:31] <elky> if you need a bantracker there are bots made for this purpose, niko runs one for #ubuntu-fr if i remember correctly
[00:31] <krabador> sometimes trolls change nick only to go in the forum , opening thread "i haven't do anithing and i'm banned"
[00:31] <dax> sounds like you have a cultural problem where your channel members don't trust their ops to do their jobs properly
[00:32] <dax> not gonna solve that with technology, to be quite honest
[00:32] <dax> and throwing everyone's hostmasks onto the indexed web is just going to annoy some of your more paranoid userbase
[00:32] <krabador> dax, not a cultural problem, trolls problem.
[00:33] <dax> if there's no cultural problem, the response to trolls posting crap on forums is "no, you got banned for X Y Z, bye"
[00:33] <dax> or whatever
[00:33] <dax> but it sounds like your users don't trust your ops' judgement on that. or maybe i read completely wrong, who knows
[00:34] <dax> anyways. we don't have a facility to publicly log that sort of stuff, so you'd have to do it yourselves, unfortunately
[00:34] <krabador> dax, today's trolls are a sort of trolls 2.0 , they find fun, shooting false things in users or ops face
[00:35] <krabador> sometimes login/logout messages can really help about that.
[00:35] <wxl> in order to prove to to the community that the ban was necessary?
[00:41] <krabador> yes. in a way. trolls that know that no login/logout messages in the log , can login trolling, logout (or after a first kick) , login again not trolling , being ignored by users , and accuse the community in the forum. No problem about the poor thread valour, but with something like login/logout messages in the log, less time can be lost
[00:42] <wxl> which of course violates privacy concerns
[00:42] <wxl> so that's not feasible
[00:42] <wxl> assumedly your community should trust the ops
[00:43] <krabador> younger people are spammer inside
[00:43] <krabador> but ok, no problem , if it's the reason of this setting.
[00:43] <wxl> it is
[00:44] <krabador> thank you
[00:44] <wxl> just reply back that they can come whine at us if they have a problem with irc banning and that the forum mods have no control over irc
[00:44] <wxl> simple
[00:44] <wxl> then it's not about YOUR community, but OUR community
[00:45] <wxl> also, they won't get anywhere :)
[00:45] <krabador> yes, sure
[00:47] <krabador> really thank you, good job here
[09:46] <VoteTrump2016> hi
[16:13] <mcphail> Hello. Could someone have a look at mernilio in #ubuntu please?
[16:13] <mcphail> Incoherent, offtopic political ranting despite being asked to stop
[16:14] <dax> oh god, mernilio's back?
[19:20] <Pici> Jordan_U: I didn't see any flooding, did I miss something?
[19:24] <Jordan_U> Pici: They sent 4 messages in 1 minute (my logs don't tell me how far apart beyond that). Ubottu was being laggy, so that may have made them seem even more rapid fire than they were.