[06:38] <knightwise> good morning everyone
[07:34] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:26] <diplo> Morning all
[09:40] <knightwise>  hey diplo ²
[09:57] <JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Thursday, and happy Men Make Dinner Day! 😃
[09:58] <JamesTait> Which - coincidentally, I'm sure - is also Sandwich Day.
[10:00] <BigRedS> Ah! cereal-for-dinner day again!
[10:01] <JamesTait> Ironically, I make dinner every day except Thursday, which is take-away day.
[10:14] <foobarry> can anyone help me remember the name of a game
[10:15] <foobarry> android game where there's blobs that need sucking other blobs in
[10:15] <foobarry> has good sound effects
[10:15] <JamesTait> World of Goo?
[10:18] <foobarry> i want to say sonos
[10:18] <foobarry> the blobs look like burning suns
[10:18] <JamesTait> No idea then.
[10:19] <foobarry> hah osmos
[10:24] <foobarry> https://www.humblebundle.com/store/osmos
[10:29] <TwistedLucidity> Osmos is a nice little game
[10:32] <foobarry> nice escapism
[10:57] <Myrtti> https://twitter.com/myrtti/status/794121262691995648 :-(
[11:03]  * zmoylan-pi has noticed a tiny scratch on my dumb nokia screen... i don't remember been in a horrific accident or having it struck by meteorite... :-P
[12:41] <knightwise> you
[12:41] <knightwise> are alll
[12:41] <knightwise> that I need
[12:41] <knightwise> ...
[12:43] <knightwise> Wanted to type in Youtube
[12:45] <knightwise> Been listening to a LOT of soundmixes on youtube lately
[13:32] <foobarry> not often i get surprised by computers
[13:33] <foobarry> except last night i plugged the usb from the digital piano into the laptop, opened up skoove.com and it knew what keys i was playing!
[13:34] <TwistedLucidity> Next up: foobarry's piano partakes in a DDoS concerto.
[13:34] <foobarry> not sure what windows would have done - install drivers?
[13:34] <TwistedLucidity> "You hardware is not working correctly, would you like to search on-line for a solution?"
[13:34] <foobarry> he trick is that MIDI over USB is a common standard that every single USB controller uses. Therefore, since ALSA supports that standard, Ubuntu users need no additional drivers to use such keyboards. Just plug it in a free USB slot and ALSA will immediately discover it.
[13:35] <TwistedLucidity> If I tries that, I'd get an error message from ALSA: Stop, please stop. No. Can't take it any more. STOP! kill --self
[13:36] <foobarry> that article from 2012
[13:36] <foobarry> no idea what handled it but it was seamless
[13:36] <foobarry> https://lmms.io/ looks cool
[14:21] <Azelphur> oO, Company called FreedomPop are selling sim cards for 99p with 200 minutes, texts and mb data free forever after that
[14:21] <Azelphur> I'm thinking would be really cool for gadgetry that needs to call home
[14:23] <foobarry> how many mb
[14:23] <foobarry> 200?
[14:23] <Azelphur> yea
[14:23] <foobarry> so disposable sims?
[14:24] <Azelphur> pretty much
[14:24] <Azelphur> seems like, anyway
[14:28] <m0nkey_> We get royally screwed with cell phone plans here
[14:28] <m0nkey_> Your basic package, which includes 1000 mins of calling, 1GB data, $50/month
[14:29] <m0nkey_> If you want anything more, that figure easily doubles.
[14:29] <m0nkey_> So let me get this straight. You get 200 mins/text and 200mb data for free? How does that work?!
[14:30] <diddledan> m0nkey_: is that a sim-only price or do you get a cheapo phone with that?
[14:30] <m0nkey_> 99p for the SIM
[14:30] <m0nkey_> And you get free calls, text and data each month
[14:30] <m0nkey_> That's a bargain.
[14:30] <m0nkey_> But what's the catch?
[14:30] <Azelphur> m0nkey_: I guess that the allowance is low?
[14:30] <m0nkey_> Do they mine data from it?
[14:30] <Azelphur> maybe so
[14:31] <diddledan> the catch has to be that they charge a premium if you go-over the limit?
[14:31] <Azelphur> maybe
[14:31] <diddledan> good for jason bourne to be able to use for a burner though :-p
[14:31] <m0nkey_> It may be worth getting one sent to my parents address for when I visit.
[14:32] <Azelphur> diddledan: I'm just thinking it'd be awesome for little gadgets that need to call home
[14:32] <Azelphur> eg GPS trackers
[14:33] <diddledan> yeah that would be nifty. also for home-build things that you want to be able to contact wherever it might end-up
[14:33] <Azelphur> exactly
[14:33] <diddledan> like rockets :-p
[14:33] <diddledan> and weather baboons
[14:34] <m0nkey_> apparently I just won a $50 amazon gift card
[14:34] <Azelphur> makes me want to instigate my plan of fitting a GPS tracker inside the empty drive bay in my laptop
[14:34] <diddledan> m0nkey_: awesome
[14:34] <m0nkey_> (yes, it's legit)
[14:35] <diddledan> Azelphur: that's a really good method for stealthily tracking if it gets nicked. I like that plan
[14:35] <Azelphur> diddledan: yea, always wanted to do that.
[14:36] <Azelphur> diddledan: SATA has a 5v rail and most of these things charge on microusb
[14:36] <Azelphur> so it could charge whenever the laptop was on, and just sit there forever
[14:36] <diddledan> more reliable than these things like prey.com because it would carry-on working even if the device is wiped or was never used on a network
[14:36] <Azelphur> indeed
[14:37] <diddledan> I'm liking the sound of this more and more
[14:37] <Azelphur> diddledan: could even put it inside the chassis of a SSD so even if they stripped the laptop they wouldn't notice.
[14:38] <Azelphur> ain't no-one gonna strip down a "broken" SSD :P
[17:50] <m0nkey_> It's nice to have a chair that doesn't squeak all the time. Took the thing apart and doused it in WD40.
[17:51] <daftykins> :D
[21:07] <diddledan> I made a thing for Windows users: https://fbhub.link/
[21:14] <diddledan> seriously good Rey cosplay: https://blog.adafruit.com/2016/11/03/how-to-make-the-force-awakens-reys-arm-warmers/
[21:15] <daftykins> wearing rags like a pro
[21:34] <diddledan> new thunderbolt macs don't work with thunderbolt things: https://9to5mac.com/2016/11/03/2016-macbook-pro-thunderbolt-compatibility-issues/
[21:36] <penguin42> huh I wonder why
[21:36] <daftykins> TI controller chips vs intel could be it
[21:36] <penguin42> it's a standard - right....
[21:36] <penguin42> you'd think they'd do interop tests
[21:37] <daftykins> and we'll never hear shauno defend it :(
[21:37] <penguin42> ?
[21:37] <daftykins> well, Apple devices in general
[21:41] <diddledan_> insider build update installing on me pc now. I'm on my mac while it does so
[21:41] <daftykins> ;)
[21:41] <daftykins> i wiped this clients mid 2010 macbook with Sierra t'other day
[21:42] <diddledan_> did sierra mind you wiping things with her?
[21:42] <daftykins> amusingly i know a guy with the nick in another chan
[21:42] <diddledan_> tis a girls' name!
[21:42] <daftykins> he asked not to be squeezed onto a flash drive...
[21:43] <diddledan_> "you've got a girls' hand"
[21:43] <daftykins> m'lud
[21:43] <diddledan_> yey for recognising the reference
[21:43] <daftykins> 8D
[21:44] <daftykins> in some game the other day a pickup item was named "Purest Green"
[21:46] <diddledan_> lol
[21:46] <diddledan_> hmm, I've got a hankerin' to watch B5
[21:47] <popey> diddledan_: i typed "huh" into fbhub and got "Bad Request"
[21:47] <daftykins> seems accurate :D
[21:47] <popey> diddledan_: did you see that guy showing a new macbook pro which drops off wifi when a usb c device is attached
[21:48] <popey> its quite fun
[21:48] <popey> he's a semi-famous repair guy from NY
[21:48] <daftykins> oh is that Louis ?
[21:48] <daftykins> Rossman
[21:48] <popey> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYVjIjBMx6o
[21:48] <popey> yeah
[21:48] <daftykins> \o/
[21:48] <daftykins> his vids are ace
[21:48] <popey> i like the title of tha tvideo
[21:48] <popey> yeah
[21:48] <penguin42> I was surprised the Apple shop didnt have the new ones on display yet
[21:49] <penguin42> popey: It's a fairly normal US expression isn't it?
[21:51]  * daftykins thinks so
[21:52] <marxjohnson> dnsmasq keeps dying on my 16.04 server.  Can anyone suggest how I can track down why?
[21:53] <daftykins> #ubuntu-server would be better for that.
[21:53] <marxjohnson> daftykins: thanks
[21:55] <penguin42> popey: One of the comments mentions yee-oldee intel paper telling you to be careful of USB-3 vs wifi - so it could be that I guess
[21:57] <diddledan_> ok, popey , that's broken. it's not supposed to give "bad request" in response to a problem, but is supposed to show a pretty error page
[21:57] <diddledan_> I must have something misconfigured somewhere
[21:58] <popey> diddledan_: happy to test further, I'm good at breaking stuff
[21:59] <popey> marxjohnson: do you use lxc on that box?
[22:00] <daftykins> i don't really want to defend Apple but Louis is using some sketchy third party adapters right there, goes some way to explaining things not working
[22:01] <penguin42> daftykins: It's a standard port, it should work with standard peripherals
[22:01] <penguin42> daftykins: and he shows it working fine on his Dell
[22:02] <popey> he uses the same port in non-apple devices too
[22:02] <popey> he very clearly says they're not el cheapo
[22:02] <popey> and has a point that it's a 1600$ laptop, you shouldn't have to spend 80$ on a dongle to just attach it to a projector
[22:03] <marxjohnson> popey: I have done at some point
[22:03] <daftykins> penguin42: yes but it's new, you've read about the USB C issues right?
[22:04] <popey> marxjohnson: when did it start crashing?
[22:04] <daftykins> popey: yeah i can understand that but if you buy some thing off amazon and say it's not cheap that's not proof XD
[22:04] <popey> doesn't make it crap either
[22:05] <popey> no doubt a firmware / software update will come soon enough
[22:05] <popey> it looked to me like the cpu was badly stuttering
[22:07] <penguin42> daftykins: His other point is that they'd taken away all the other ports, so 'yes but it's new' should have an easy way to fall back to stuff that works
[22:08] <popey> the keyboard noise was interesting too
[22:08] <popey> someone told him to go to settings and turn the keyboard volume down
[22:08] <daftykins> yeah i just got to the keyboard noise part
[22:08] <popey> which I can't tell if it was a joke, or serious :)
[22:08] <daftykins> penguin42: right but Apple's decision to do that is 1) utterly stupid and 2) already a given to me before discussing the video content really
[22:08] <popey> like, whether it's some audio haptic thing to make it feel more pro
[22:09] <daftykins> i read they only have 0.55mm travel, that'd be nasty
[22:09] <popey> I do actually like the idea of USB c everywhere
[22:09] <popey> it's just a bit too soon
[22:09] <popey> #courage
[22:09] <daftykins> yeah, Apple always want to be the ones seen to be pushing the boundaries of course
[22:10] <daftykins> and sites that review their gear can't even be honest because they'll be blacklisted from attending events, like The Register
[22:10] <popey> heh it's an accolade to get banned by apple these days :)
[22:11] <daftykins> they are quite the evil company
[22:11] <diddledan> popey: should be fixed now :-)
[22:13] <popey> yay
[22:13] <diddledan> I had to wait for my Windows box to return from installing to get at the code :-p
[22:13] <daftykins> diddledan, #1 Windows tester
[22:13] <daftykins> :>
[22:17] <marxjohnson> popey: first time was around 6-8 weeks ago (that I noticed)
[22:24] <diddledan> ubuntu podcast time: I used Gentoo as my daily system back in 2005 era
[22:27] <daftykins> gentoo anonymous
[22:30] <popey> marxjohnson: sorry, no idea.
[22:32] <daftykins> what role does dnsmasqd play in a server environment if a static IP is in use?
[22:32] <daftykins> -d
[22:35]  * daftykins finds automagic stuff is always good to murder
[22:41] <daftykins> ah i wish i could remember which technology it was, but there was definitely a new interface or display type that made ubuntu of whichever version at the time have that same mouse pointer lag