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| hikiko | hello | 05:32 |
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| hikiko | happy friday! | 05:33 |
| FJKong_ | hello fri | 06:23 |
| willcooke | o/ | 08:25 |
| flocculant | \\o | 08:26 |
| seb128 | willcooke, hey, early start today? ;-) | 08:33 |
| seb128 | hey flocculant | 08:33 |
| flexiondotorg | Morning willcooke seb128 hikiko FJKong_ | 08:53 |
| hikiko | good morning willcooke seb128 flexiondotorg FJKong_ seb128 flocculant desktopers :) | 08:53 |
| Laney | west side | 09:03 |
| duflu | \ /\ / | 09:08 |
| seb128 | hey flexiondotorg hikiko Laney | 09:08 |
| hikiko | I am about to create a partition for mir/z in my old laptop... /me fingers crossed | 09:08 |
| seb128 | & duflu | 09:09 |
| hikiko | hi Laney and duflu | 09:09 |
| duflu | Morning seb128. I have zesty installed working fine (since yesterday) | 09:09 |
| duflu | Just use 20161102 or later | 09:09 |
| seb128 | nice | 09:09 |
| seb128 | I'm still on xenial :p | 09:09 |
| duflu | Only failed on 50% of machines I tried ;) | 09:10 |
| hikiko | I have xenial on desktop yaketty on laptop | 09:10 |
| hikiko | yakkety* | 09:10 |
| seb128 | sort of the same here | 09:10 |
| seb128 | though my desktop is my main laptop docked | 09:10 |
| seb128 | the yakkety is the small inspiron | 09:10 |
| seb128 | which is fine for testing but a bit of a small box for day work | 09:11 |
| hikiko | my desktop has a quite surreal setup: 2 GPUs, 4 monitors and I switch GPUs to test things :p | 09:11 |
| duflu | seb128: zesty is fine except (a) first attempt failed to install grub; (b) The software sources GUI doesn't work... edit /etc/apt instead | 09:12 |
| hikiko | duflu, you did a fresh installation? | 09:12 |
| duflu | hikiko: Yes | 09:12 |
| hikiko | is it safe to upgrade from Y? | 09:12 |
| duflu | hikiko: I don't know. If you need "safe" maybe assume no | 09:12 |
| hikiko | I am going to install x and upgrade to y and z afterwards | 09:12 |
| hikiko | duflu, I want to run mir on a machine | 09:13 |
| hikiko | should I use Y or X? | 09:13 |
| hikiko | Y or Z* | 09:13 |
| seb128 | depends of what you mean by safe | 09:13 |
| seb128 | but yeah upgrade should work | 09:13 |
| duflu | hikiko: Certainly Unity8 is working on zesty if you don't run into install issues | 09:13 |
| hikiko | but what do you use for work? | 09:13 |
| duflu | hikiko: xenial for my desktop, remotely logged into the zesty box :) | 09:14 |
| hikiko | and the mir is installed on zesty? | 09:14 |
| duflu | hikiko: Yes, Mir (and Unity8) is available in yakkety and zesty. Just choose it on the login screen | 09:15 |
| hikiko | cool :) | 09:15 |
| seb128 | depends of what you work on | 09:15 |
| seb128 | to work on mir you probably want to stay on the current devel version | 09:16 |
| seb128 | e.g zesty | 09:16 |
| duflu | In fact the latest Mir release only exists on zesty right now | 09:16 |
| seb128 | though early in the cycle you might still be fine on yakkety | 09:16 |
| seb128 | like less moving and you might be able to rebuild the parts you need/work on | 09:16 |
| hikiko | I want to port chrome on mir, but I am going to start working actively at the task in 1 month or so, atm I just want to get a look to get an idea what's needed etc | 09:17 |
| hikiko | so I guess I will need the most recent version of mir every time | 09:17 |
| hikiko | so zesty | 09:17 |
| hikiko | right? | 09:17 |
| seb128 | yes | 09:17 |
| hikiko | ok :) | 09:18 |
| hikiko | fingers crossed! | 09:18 |
| hikiko | and bbiab! | 09:18 |
| hikiko | thank you guys :) | 09:18 |
| willcooke | oops - sorry seb128, missed your message - yes, I'm leaving early tonight | 09:19 |
| willcooke | Center Parcs for the weekend | 09:19 |
| willcooke | (hence Monday off) | 09:19 |
| Laney | lads on tour | 09:21 |
| willcooke | \m/ | 09:21 |
| duflu | hikiko: Sounds fun. Two notes: (1) racarr did Chromiun already but it probably bitrotted; and (2) Chrome relies on high precision frame timing which I still have a work in progress | 09:21 |
| duflu | *Chromium* | 09:21 |
| willcooke | yeah, the work racarr did is now bit-rotted to oblivion | 09:22 |
| hikiko | duflu, qengho told me that there was a patch for chromium from 2 years ago that doesn't work | 09:22 |
| hikiko | is that racarr's work/ | 09:22 |
| duflu | Yep. And the high precision frame timing I think you can work around (I have in Xmir already) | 09:22 |
| hikiko | what is the high precision frame timing? | 09:23 |
| * duflu digs | 09:23 | |
| hikiko | sounds like something alien :) | 09:23 |
| duflu | https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/attachmentText?aid=178027 | 09:23 |
| seb128 | willcooke, enjoy the w.e there! | 09:24 |
| duflu | It's the reason why Chrome has lower latency than just everything else | 09:24 |
| seb128 | willcooke, don't forget the tie for the sauna | 09:24 |
| willcooke | :D | 09:24 |
| seb128 | :-) | 09:24 |
| hikiko | oh I see | 09:25 |
| hikiko | duflu, so mir doesnt support this extension? | 09:28 |
| duflu | If you've ever wondered how a web page in chrome can have lower latency than a native app, I think that's the reason. Yes, I have started work to implement it in Mir. But it will take more time to complete | 09:29 |
| duflu | Xmir (DRI clients) want the same functionality too | 09:30 |
| hikiko | duflu, I am going to start this task in 1 month or so, and I guess that I can start porting other functions first... tbh I didn't look at the code yet but as far as I know from a first discussion with qengho there's an API layer for displays called Ozone that should be ported first | 09:32 |
| duflu | hikiko: Yes, that's all I know... racarr worked on something called ozone :) | 09:32 |
| hikiko | so hopefully you will have done some work by then or if we see that I can't continue working on the task without this extension ported I could help you | 09:33 |
| duflu | hikiko: Ummm, they mention Mir too! https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/master/docs/ozone_overview.md | 09:33 |
| hikiko | ! | 09:34 |
| hikiko | that document seems helpful :) | 09:34 |
| hikiko | it explains what needs to be ported step by step! | 09:34 |
| duflu | hikiko: You can survive without the high precision frame timing. It's easy to fake: https://git.launchpad.net/~xmir-team/xorg-server/+git/xmir/commit/?id=4003bec9f46c725b840f6da05936add439d85ad2 | 09:45 |
| hikiko | :D | 09:47 |
| Laney | menus seem messed up in z | 10:00 |
| Laney | http://people.canonical.com/~laney/weird-things/whatthemenu.png | 10:01 |
| seb128 | :-/ | 10:02 |
| * Laney isn't very clueful about how that hangs together | 10:04 | |
| Laney | maybe attente has a few minutes to take a look? :-) | 10:05 |
| jbicha | bug 1615408 | 10:05 |
| ubot5` | bug 1615408 in gnome-calculator (Ubuntu) "Theming issues with yakkety gnome-calculator in Unity" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1615408 | 10:05 |
| Laney | I show two applications in that screenshot | 10:07 |
| seb128 | that bug also has an extra menu | 10:08 |
| seb128 | but the screenshot from z has the extra menu + an unstripped bar | 10:08 |
| Laney | I don't think it is quite the same bug | 10:09 |
| Laney | never seen the linked one myself | 10:09 |
| Laney | the title of gnome-calculator is wrong, but not the menu thing | 10:09 |
| jbicha | right, it's not the same bug | 10:10 |
| Laney | Trevinho: compiz is go | 10:13 |
| Trevinho | Laney: thanks | 10:14 |
| Laney | morning ;-) | 10:14 |
| Trevinho | morning Laney :-) | 10:14 |
| Trevinho | Laney: as for the menus... yeah, I noticed something weird too... Might be unity-gtk-module related? | 10:14 |
| Laney | maybe, that's why I pinged the Super Canadian | 10:15 |
| seb128 | hey Trevinho | 10:16 |
| seb128 | is u-g-m still needed/used for gmenumodel code? | 10:16 |
| Trevinho | hi seb128 | 10:18 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, happy friday! how are you? | 10:18 |
| jbicha | by the way, I don't have Z's menu problem with Yakkety + backported GTK 3.22 from gnome3-staging ppa | 10:18 |
| Trevinho | seb128: Mh, I woke up a little upstet this morning... But ok :-) | 10:19 |
| seb128 | oh? | 10:19 |
| * seb128 hugs Trevinho | 10:19 | |
| Trevinho | And tomorrow there's an ubuntu it loco team meeting :) | 10:19 |
| seb128 | great! | 10:19 |
| Trevinho | seb128: yeah, it happens often in the morning... I just hate the morning in any case 😂 | 10:19 |
| Laney | oh Marcooooo | 10:20 |
| Laney | abbracci | 10:20 |
| Trevinho | Laney: ahahah :-) | 10:22 |
| hikiko | does anyone else have problems with the hr website? | 10:47 |
| Laney | hikiko: anything in particular? | 10:49 |
| Laney | loads ok | 10:49 |
| hikiko | Laney, when I try to submit a day off | 10:50 |
| hikiko | it shows an error page | 10:50 |
| Laney | lame | 10:50 |
| Laney | try #hr on the internal IRC | 10:50 |
| andyrock | morning | 11:04 |
| willcooke | hey andyrock | 11:10 |
| shiznix | i may be blind here but using say https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1630990 as an example, is there an easy way to see what the 'fix' committed/released actually is? | 11:38 |
| ubot5` | Ubuntu bug 1630990 in linux (Ubuntu Yakkety) "include/linux/security.h header syntax error with !CONFIG_SECURITYFS" [High,Fix committed] | 11:38 |
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| flocculant | oh my, I'm getting tarred with the desktoper brush instead of the idler one :p | 12:10 |
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| attente | whoa. cool menus | 12:39 |
| Laney | hey attente! | 12:40 |
| attente | hi Laney! | 12:41 |
| Laney | how's it going? | 12:41 |
| attente | Laney: gooood | 12:42 |
| attente | Laney: you don't like the new menu design? | 12:42 |
| Laney | haha | 12:42 |
| Laney | what's the philosophy? | 12:42 |
| Laney | wherever the user might want to find a menu, we put one there | 12:42 |
| attente | if we have it in two places, everything will be more 'discoverable' :) | 12:43 |
| Laney | true | 12:44 |
| Laney | Won't Fix | 12:44 |
| Laney | didn't happen in a live session for me btw | 12:45 |
| Laney | but after installing zesty in a VM it was there | 12:45 |
| attente | how is that possible... | 12:45 |
| Laney | that is the fun! | 12:46 |
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| Laney | lunch | 13:51 |
| Laney | then time to cross the badlands | 13:51 |
| Laney | and do some juju | 13:51 |
| attente | gtk-shell-shows-menubar is false under unity for some reason | 14:17 |
| Sweet5hark | popey, willcooke: around? | 14:22 |
| popey | Sweet5hark: for you, always | 14:23 |
| willcooke | Sweet5hark, otp | 14:24 |
| Sweet5hark | popey: <3 -- ok, lemme try to pick up the guys interested in snap stuff and (will bring them to #snappy) | 14:25 |
| willcooke | Sweet5hark, popey - quick hangout? I've got to go in 2 mins, but would like to catch up with you before I do | 14:26 |
| Sweet5hark | willcooke: nah, no hangout now IMHO. Just wanted to find a date ... | 14:27 |
| willcooke | Sweet5hark, oki, I'll leave it with you guys then | 14:27 |
| willcooke | and with that - the weekend starts .......... here | 14:27 |
| willcooke | off Monday, see yall Tuesday | 14:27 |
| Sweet5hark | willcooke: aright -- have fun! | 14:27 |
| willcooke | dont touch my stuff | 14:27 |
| popey | hah | 14:28 |
| * Sweet5hark burns down the village. | 14:28 | |
| Sweet5hark | Same procedure as every year. | 14:28 |
| popey | Oh, Tuesday is "Laugh at the Americans and their new President elect" day | 14:28 |
| Laney | attente: I forgot where that comes from... u-s-d? | 15:04 |
| attente | Laney: yeah, u-s-d is looking for AppMenuRegistrar on the bus | 15:05 |
| attente | don't know if it's some kind of race or what | 15:06 |
| attente | but i didn't really look that deep into it yet | 15:07 |
| Laney | k | 15:07 |
| xnox | popey, i have faith in humanity. As a back plan i live near a deep underground station that can be used as nuclear shelter. | 15:20 |
| xnox | off to get a box of tuna over the weekend. | 15:20 |
| popey | :D | 15:21 |
| flexiondotorg | Laney, Unforeseen problem at home. I'm going to finish here today and do some work over the weekend to catch up. | 15:50 |
| Laney | flexiondotorg: Mmk, no worries | 15:51 |
| Laney | you can give me a link to the the aptdaemon etc on Monday | 15:51 |
| tsdgeos | do you guys know who creates the /usr/share/icons/default/index.theme symlink in a default installation? | 15:57 |
| tsdgeos | i.e. it doesn't come from any .deb file, does it? | 15:57 |
| Laney | tsdgeos: The package sets it up using the alternate system | 16:00 |
| xnox | just imagine; 2020; whilst one seeks re-election, the other seeks revenge. Hillary vs Trump round #2 | 16:07 |
| tsdgeos | Laney: which package? i have a snap that is installing dmz-cursor-theme and has no such symlink. do you know anything about snaps? maybe snaps "intsall" deb files in a different way? | 16:14 |
| Laney | tsdgeos: The package it refers to, which by default is dmz-cursor-theme | 16:16 |
| Laney | It's done in the postinst, maybe that doesn't work somehow when building the snap | 16:16 |
| tsdgeos | yeah | 16:16 |
| tsdgeos | ok, tx | 16:16 |
| sarnold | xnox: y u do mean things? | 16:24 |
| Laney | attente: I had a brainwave | 16:57 |
| Laney | https://launchpadlibrarian.net/290846720/lightdm_1.19.5-0ubuntu1_1.20.0-0ubuntu2.diff.gz | 16:58 |
| Laney | -eval `dbus-launch --sh-syntax` | 16:58 |
| Laney | +[ -n "$DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS" ] || eval `dbus-launch --sh-syntax` | 16:58 |
| Laney | so the greeter is now on the same bus as the session | 16:58 |
| Laney | explains why there's already an xsettings manager | 16:58 |
| Laney | sort of | 16:58 |
| Laney | actually I don't understand why, but it seems to be that anyway | 17:03 |
| Laney | :) | 17:03 |
| Laney | it looks like this makes the lightdm session not be closed | 17:11 |
| Laney | so its usd stays alive | 17:11 |
| Laney | or something | 17:12 |
| Laney | ._. | 17:12 |
| attente | i guess that explains why gtk doesn't get display scaling changes either | 17:12 |
| Laney | maybe | 17:14 |
| Laney | don't know offhand how to fix this | 17:14 |
| attente | me neither | 17:19 |
| Trevinho | Laney: something else to ACK if you're still here :) | 17:54 |
| Trevinho | https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2081 | 17:54 |
| Laney | Trevinho: ok | 17:58 |
| Laney | uploading unity8, fancy | 17:58 |
| Trevinho | Laney: :-) | 17:58 |
| Trevinho | Laney: there's also https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2134 if you want, since it's blocking lots of stuff | 17:59 |
| Trevinho | Laney: see #ubuntu-ci-eng | 17:59 |
| mitya57 | Trevinho, hi, will you mind if I upload new metacity & rebuild compiz against it? | 17:59 |
| mitya57 | Or do you want the current compiz upload to migrate first? | 17:59 |
| Trevinho | mitya57: if compiz needs a rebuild, please do it by submitting a MP so that we do it with CI-itrain... Or, notify me once done so that I can sync downstream and upstream | 18:00 |
| mitya57 | OK, I can do it via CI-train. | 18:01 |
| Trevinho | mitya57: better, thanks... | 18:01 |
| Laney | Trevinho: sorry, no time, but mitya57 can maybe click it for you | 18:01 |
| Laney | got to go now, going away for the weekend | 18:01 |
| Laney | o/ | 18:01 |
| Trevinho | Laney: ok, no problem... enjoy your weekend | 18:01 |
| mitya57 | haha | 18:01 |
| Trevinho | Laney: thanks | 18:01 |
| Trevinho | mitya57: so... yeah :-D | 18:01 |
| Trevinho | mitya57: this would need publication https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2134 as it's breaking xenail builds for u8 stack | 18:02 |
| Trevinho | that's only for the phone overlay ppa tho | 18:02 |
| mitya57 | Trevinho, I should just publish it and ACK packaging, right? | 18:02 |
| Trevinho | mitya57: yeah, if you believe so :-) | 18:03 |
| mitya57 | Trevinho, done | 18:06 |
| Trevinho | mitya57: thanks :-) | 18:06 |
| dobey | great | 18:06 |
| mitya57 | You are welcome | 18:06 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, Laney, desktopers, have a good w.e! | 18:16 |
| Trevinho | seb128: you too! | 18:17 |
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