[05:32] <hikiko> hello
[05:33] <hikiko> happy friday!
[06:23] <FJKong_> hello fri
[08:25] <willcooke> o/
[08:26] <flocculant> \\o
[08:33] <seb128> willcooke, hey, early start today? ;-)
[08:33] <seb128> hey flocculant
[08:53] <flexiondotorg> Morning willcooke seb128 hikiko FJKong_
[08:53] <hikiko> good morning willcooke seb128 flexiondotorg FJKong_ seb128 flocculant desktopers :)
[09:03] <Laney> west side
[09:08] <duflu> \  /\  /
[09:08] <seb128> hey flexiondotorg hikiko Laney
[09:08] <hikiko> I am about to create a partition for mir/z in my old laptop... /me fingers crossed
[09:09] <seb128> & duflu
[09:09] <hikiko> hi Laney and duflu
[09:09] <duflu> Morning seb128. I have zesty installed working fine (since yesterday)
[09:09] <duflu> Just use 20161102 or later
[09:09] <seb128> nice
[09:09] <seb128> I'm still on xenial :p
[09:10] <duflu> Only failed on 50% of machines I tried ;)
[09:10] <hikiko> I have xenial on desktop yaketty on laptop
[09:10] <hikiko> yakkety*
[09:10] <seb128> sort of the same here
[09:10] <seb128> though my desktop is my main laptop docked
[09:10] <seb128> the yakkety is the small inspiron
[09:11] <seb128> which is fine for testing but a bit of a small box for day work
[09:11] <hikiko> my desktop has a quite surreal setup: 2 GPUs, 4 monitors and I switch GPUs to test things :p
[09:12] <duflu> seb128: zesty is fine except (a) first attempt failed to install grub; (b) The software sources GUI doesn't work... edit /etc/apt instead
[09:12] <hikiko> duflu, you did a fresh installation?
[09:12] <duflu> hikiko: Yes
[09:12] <hikiko> is it safe to upgrade from Y?
[09:12] <duflu> hikiko: I don't know. If you need "safe" maybe assume no
[09:12] <hikiko> I am going to install x and upgrade to y and z afterwards
[09:13] <hikiko> duflu, I want to run mir on a machine
[09:13] <hikiko> should I use Y or X?
[09:13] <hikiko> Y or Z*
[09:13] <seb128> depends of what you mean by safe
[09:13] <seb128> but yeah upgrade should work
[09:13] <duflu> hikiko: Certainly Unity8 is working on zesty if you don't run into install issues
[09:13] <hikiko> but what do you use for work?
[09:14] <duflu> hikiko: xenial for my desktop, remotely logged into the zesty box :)
[09:14] <hikiko> and the mir is installed on zesty?
[09:15] <duflu> hikiko: Yes, Mir (and Unity8) is available in yakkety and zesty. Just choose it on the login screen
[09:15] <hikiko> cool :)
[09:15] <seb128> depends of what you work on
[09:16] <seb128> to work on mir you probably want to stay on the current devel version
[09:16] <seb128> e.g zesty
[09:16] <duflu> In fact the latest Mir release only exists on zesty right now
[09:16] <seb128> though early in the cycle you might still be fine on yakkety
[09:16] <seb128> like less moving and you might be able to rebuild the parts you need/work on
[09:17] <hikiko> I want to port chrome on mir, but I am going to start working actively at the task in 1 month or so, atm I just want to get a look to get an idea what's needed etc
[09:17] <hikiko> so I guess I will need the most recent version of mir every time
[09:17] <hikiko> so zesty
[09:17] <hikiko> right?
[09:17] <seb128> yes
[09:18] <hikiko> ok :)
[09:18] <hikiko> fingers crossed!
[09:18] <hikiko> and bbiab!
[09:18] <hikiko> thank you guys :)
[09:19] <willcooke> oops - sorry seb128, missed your message - yes, I'm leaving early tonight
[09:19] <willcooke> Center Parcs for the weekend
[09:19] <willcooke> (hence Monday off)
[09:21] <Laney> lads on tour
[09:21] <willcooke> \m/
[09:21] <duflu> hikiko: Sounds fun. Two notes: (1) racarr did Chromiun already but it probably bitrotted; and (2) Chrome relies on high precision frame timing which I still have a work in progress
[09:21] <duflu> *Chromium*
[09:22] <willcooke> yeah, the work racarr did is now bit-rotted to oblivion
[09:22] <hikiko> duflu, qengho told me that there was a patch for chromium from 2 years ago that doesn't work
[09:22] <hikiko> is that racarr's work/
[09:22] <duflu> Yep. And the high precision frame timing I think you can work around (I have in Xmir already)
[09:23] <hikiko> what is the high precision frame timing?
[09:23]  * duflu digs
[09:23] <hikiko> sounds like something alien :)
[09:23] <duflu> https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/attachmentText?aid=178027
[09:24] <seb128> willcooke, enjoy the w.e there!
[09:24] <duflu> It's the reason why Chrome has lower latency than just everything else
[09:24] <seb128> willcooke, don't forget the tie for the sauna
[09:24] <willcooke> :D
[09:24] <seb128> :-)
[09:25] <hikiko> oh I see
[09:28] <hikiko> duflu, so mir doesnt support this extension?
[09:29] <duflu> If you've ever wondered how a web page in chrome can have lower latency than a native app, I think that's the reason. Yes, I have started work to implement it in Mir. But it will take more time to complete
[09:30] <duflu> Xmir (DRI clients) want the same functionality too
[09:32] <hikiko> duflu, I am going to start this task in 1 month or so, and I guess that I can start porting other functions first... tbh I didn't look at the code yet but as far as I know from a first discussion with qengho  there's an API layer for displays called Ozone that should be ported first
[09:32] <duflu> hikiko: Yes, that's all I know... racarr worked on something called ozone :)
[09:33] <hikiko> so hopefully you will have done some work by then or if we see that I can't continue working on the task without this extension ported I could help you
[09:33] <duflu> hikiko: Ummm, they mention Mir too!  https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/master/docs/ozone_overview.md
[09:34] <hikiko> !
[09:34] <hikiko> that document seems helpful :)
[09:34] <hikiko> it explains what needs to be ported step by step!
[09:45] <duflu> hikiko: You can survive without the high precision frame timing. It's easy to fake: https://git.launchpad.net/~xmir-team/xorg-server/+git/xmir/commit/?id=4003bec9f46c725b840f6da05936add439d85ad2
[09:47] <hikiko> :D
[10:00] <Laney> menus seem messed up in z
[10:01] <Laney> http://people.canonical.com/~laney/weird-things/whatthemenu.png
[10:02] <seb128> :-/
[10:04]  * Laney isn't very clueful about how that hangs together
[10:05] <Laney> maybe attente has a few minutes to take a look? :-)
[10:05] <jbicha> bug 1615408
[10:05] <ubot5`> bug 1615408 in gnome-calculator (Ubuntu) "Theming issues with yakkety gnome-calculator in Unity" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1615408
[10:07] <Laney> I show two applications in that screenshot
[10:08] <seb128> that bug also has an extra menu
[10:08] <seb128> but the screenshot from z has the extra menu + an unstripped bar
[10:09] <Laney> I don't think it is quite the same bug
[10:09] <Laney> never seen the linked one myself
[10:09] <Laney> the title of gnome-calculator is wrong, but not the menu thing
[10:10] <jbicha> right, it's not the same bug
[10:13] <Laney> Trevinho: compiz is go
[10:14] <Trevinho> Laney: thanks
[10:14] <Laney> morning ;-)
[10:14] <Trevinho> morning Laney  :-)
[10:14] <Trevinho> Laney: as for the menus... yeah, I noticed something weird too... Might be unity-gtk-module related?
[10:15] <Laney> maybe, that's why I pinged the Super Canadian
[10:16] <seb128> hey Trevinho
[10:16] <seb128> is u-g-m still needed/used for gmenumodel code?
[10:18] <Trevinho> hi seb128
[10:18] <seb128> Trevinho, happy friday! how are you?
[10:18] <jbicha> by the way, I don't have Z's menu problem with Yakkety + backported GTK 3.22 from gnome3-staging ppa
[10:19] <Trevinho> seb128: Mh, I woke up a little upstet this morning... But ok :-)
[10:19] <seb128> oh?
[10:19]  * seb128 hugs Trevinho
[10:19] <Trevinho> And tomorrow there's an ubuntu it loco team meeting :)
[10:19] <seb128> great!
[10:19] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah, it happens often in the morning... I just hate the morning in any case 😂
[10:20] <Laney> oh Marcooooo
[10:20] <Laney> abbracci
[10:22] <Trevinho> Laney: ahahah :-)
[10:47] <hikiko> does anyone else have problems with the hr website?
[10:49] <Laney> hikiko: anything in particular?
[10:49] <Laney> loads ok
[10:50] <hikiko> Laney, when I try to submit a day off
[10:50] <hikiko> it shows an error page
[10:50] <Laney> lame
[10:50] <Laney> try #hr on the internal IRC
[11:04] <andyrock> morning
[11:10] <willcooke> hey andyrock
[11:38] <shiznix> i may be blind here but using say https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1630990 as an example, is there an easy way to see what the 'fix' committed/released actually is?
[11:38] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1630990 in linux (Ubuntu Yakkety) "include/linux/security.h header syntax error with !CONFIG_SECURITYFS" [High,Fix committed]
[12:10] <flocculant> oh my, I'm getting tarred with the desktoper brush instead of the idler one :p
[12:39] <attente> whoa. cool menus
[12:40] <Laney> hey attente!
[12:41] <attente> hi Laney!
[12:41] <Laney> how's it going?
[12:42] <attente> Laney: gooood
[12:42] <attente> Laney: you don't like the new menu design?
[12:42] <Laney> haha
[12:42] <Laney> what's the philosophy?
[12:42] <Laney> wherever the user might want to find a menu, we put one there
[12:43] <attente> if we have it in two places, everything will be more 'discoverable' :)
[12:44] <Laney> true
[12:44] <Laney> Won't Fix
[12:45] <Laney> didn't happen in a live session for me btw
[12:45] <Laney> but after installing zesty in a VM it was there
[12:45] <attente> how is that possible...
[12:46] <Laney> that is the fun!
[13:51] <Laney> lunch
[13:51] <Laney> then time to cross the badlands
[13:51] <Laney> and do some juju
[14:17] <attente> gtk-shell-shows-menubar is false under unity for some reason
[14:22] <Sweet5hark> popey, willcooke: around?
[14:23] <popey> Sweet5hark: for you, always
[14:24] <willcooke> Sweet5hark, otp
[14:25] <Sweet5hark> popey: <3 -- ok, lemme try to pick up the guys interested in snap stuff and (will bring them to #snappy)
[14:26] <willcooke> Sweet5hark, popey - quick hangout?  I've got to go in 2 mins, but would like to catch up with you before I do
[14:27] <Sweet5hark> willcooke: nah, no hangout now IMHO. Just wanted to find a date ...
[14:27] <willcooke> Sweet5hark, oki, I'll leave it with you guys then
[14:27] <willcooke> and with that - the weekend starts ..........  here
[14:27] <willcooke> off Monday, see yall Tuesday
[14:27] <Sweet5hark> willcooke: aright -- have fun!
[14:27] <willcooke> dont touch my stuff
[14:28] <popey> hah
[14:28]  * Sweet5hark burns down the village.
[14:28] <Sweet5hark> Same procedure as every year.
[14:28] <popey> Oh, Tuesday is "Laugh at the Americans and their new President elect" day
[15:04] <Laney> attente: I forgot where that comes from... u-s-d?
[15:05] <attente> Laney: yeah, u-s-d is looking for AppMenuRegistrar on the bus
[15:06] <attente> don't know if it's some kind of race or what
[15:07] <attente> but i didn't really look that deep into it yet
[15:07] <Laney> k
[15:20] <xnox> popey, i have faith in humanity. As a back plan i live near a deep underground station that can be used as nuclear shelter.
[15:20] <xnox> off to get a box of tuna over the weekend.
[15:21] <popey> :D
[15:50] <flexiondotorg> Laney, Unforeseen problem at home. I'm going to finish here today and do some work over the weekend to catch up.
[15:51] <Laney> flexiondotorg: Mmk, no worries
[15:51] <Laney> you can give me a link to the the aptdaemon etc on Monday
[15:57] <tsdgeos> do you guys know who creates the /usr/share/icons/default/index.theme symlink in a default installation?
[15:57] <tsdgeos> i.e. it doesn't come from any .deb file, does it?
[16:00] <Laney> tsdgeos: The package sets it up using the alternate system
[16:07] <xnox> just imagine; 2020; whilst one seeks re-election, the other seeks revenge. Hillary vs Trump round #2
[16:14] <tsdgeos> Laney: which package? i have a snap that is installing dmz-cursor-theme and has no such symlink. do you know anything about snaps? maybe snaps "intsall" deb files in a different way?
[16:16] <Laney> tsdgeos: The package it refers to, which by default is dmz-cursor-theme
[16:16] <Laney> It's done in the postinst, maybe that doesn't work somehow when building the snap
[16:16] <tsdgeos> yeah
[16:16] <tsdgeos> ok, tx
[16:24] <sarnold> xnox: y u do mean things?
[16:57] <Laney> attente: I had a brainwave
[16:58] <Laney> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/290846720/lightdm_1.19.5-0ubuntu1_1.20.0-0ubuntu2.diff.gz
[16:58] <Laney> -eval `dbus-launch --sh-syntax`
[16:58] <Laney> +[ -n "$DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS" ] || eval `dbus-launch --sh-syntax`
[16:58] <Laney> so the greeter is now on the same bus as the session
[16:58] <Laney> explains why there's already an xsettings manager
[16:58] <Laney> sort of
[17:03] <Laney> actually I don't understand why, but it seems to be that anyway
[17:03] <Laney> :)
[17:11] <Laney> it looks like this makes the lightdm session not be closed
[17:11] <Laney> so its usd stays alive
[17:12] <Laney> or something
[17:12] <Laney> ._.
[17:12] <attente> i guess that explains why gtk doesn't get display scaling changes either
[17:14] <Laney> maybe
[17:14] <Laney> don't know offhand how to fix this
[17:19] <attente> me neither
[17:54] <Trevinho> Laney: something else to ACK if you're still here :)
[17:54] <Trevinho> https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2081
[17:58] <Laney> Trevinho: ok
[17:58] <Laney> uploading unity8, fancy
[17:58] <Trevinho> Laney: :-)
[17:59] <Trevinho> Laney: there's also https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2134 if you want, since it's blocking lots of stuff
[17:59] <Trevinho> Laney: see #ubuntu-ci-eng
[17:59] <mitya57> Trevinho, hi, will you mind if I upload new metacity & rebuild compiz against it?
[17:59] <mitya57> Or do you want the current compiz upload to migrate first?
[18:00] <Trevinho> mitya57: if compiz needs a rebuild, please do it by submitting a MP so that we do it with CI-itrain... Or, notify me once done so that I can sync downstream and upstream
[18:01] <mitya57> OK, I can do it via CI-train.
[18:01] <Trevinho> mitya57: better, thanks...
[18:01] <Laney> Trevinho: sorry, no time, but mitya57 can maybe click it for you
[18:01] <Laney> got to go now, going away for the weekend
[18:01] <Laney> o/
[18:01] <Trevinho> Laney: ok, no problem... enjoy your weekend
[18:01] <mitya57> haha
[18:01] <Trevinho> Laney: thanks
[18:01] <Trevinho> mitya57: so... yeah :-D
[18:02] <Trevinho> mitya57: this would need publication https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2134 as it's breaking xenail builds for u8 stack
[18:02] <Trevinho> that's only for the phone overlay ppa tho
[18:02] <mitya57> Trevinho, I should just publish it and ACK packaging, right?
[18:03] <Trevinho> mitya57: yeah, if you believe so :-)
[18:06] <mitya57> Trevinho, done
[18:06] <Trevinho> mitya57: thanks :-)
[18:06] <dobey> great
[18:06] <mitya57> You are welcome
[18:16] <seb128> Trevinho, Laney, desktopers, have a good w.e!
[18:17] <Trevinho> seb128: you too!