=== JanC_ is now known as JanC [05:32] hello [05:33] happy friday! [06:23] hello fri [08:25] o/ [08:26] \\o [08:33] willcooke, hey, early start today? ;-) [08:33] hey flocculant [08:53] Morning willcooke seb128 hikiko FJKong_ [08:53] good morning willcooke seb128 flexiondotorg FJKong_ seb128 flocculant desktopers :) [09:03] west side [09:08] \ /\ / [09:08] hey flexiondotorg hikiko Laney [09:08] I am about to create a partition for mir/z in my old laptop... /me fingers crossed [09:09] & duflu [09:09] hi Laney and duflu [09:09] Morning seb128. I have zesty installed working fine (since yesterday) [09:09] Just use 20161102 or later [09:09] nice [09:09] I'm still on xenial :p [09:10] Only failed on 50% of machines I tried ;) [09:10] I have xenial on desktop yaketty on laptop [09:10] yakkety* [09:10] sort of the same here [09:10] though my desktop is my main laptop docked [09:10] the yakkety is the small inspiron [09:11] which is fine for testing but a bit of a small box for day work [09:11] my desktop has a quite surreal setup: 2 GPUs, 4 monitors and I switch GPUs to test things :p [09:12] seb128: zesty is fine except (a) first attempt failed to install grub; (b) The software sources GUI doesn't work... edit /etc/apt instead [09:12] duflu, you did a fresh installation? [09:12] hikiko: Yes [09:12] is it safe to upgrade from Y? [09:12] hikiko: I don't know. If you need "safe" maybe assume no [09:12] I am going to install x and upgrade to y and z afterwards [09:13] duflu, I want to run mir on a machine [09:13] should I use Y or X? [09:13] Y or Z* [09:13] depends of what you mean by safe [09:13] but yeah upgrade should work [09:13] hikiko: Certainly Unity8 is working on zesty if you don't run into install issues [09:13] but what do you use for work? [09:14] hikiko: xenial for my desktop, remotely logged into the zesty box :) [09:14] and the mir is installed on zesty? [09:15] hikiko: Yes, Mir (and Unity8) is available in yakkety and zesty. Just choose it on the login screen [09:15] cool :) [09:15] depends of what you work on [09:16] to work on mir you probably want to stay on the current devel version [09:16] e.g zesty [09:16] In fact the latest Mir release only exists on zesty right now [09:16] though early in the cycle you might still be fine on yakkety [09:16] like less moving and you might be able to rebuild the parts you need/work on [09:17] I want to port chrome on mir, but I am going to start working actively at the task in 1 month or so, atm I just want to get a look to get an idea what's needed etc [09:17] so I guess I will need the most recent version of mir every time [09:17] so zesty [09:17] right? [09:17] yes [09:18] ok :) [09:18] fingers crossed! [09:18] and bbiab! [09:18] thank you guys :) [09:19] oops - sorry seb128, missed your message - yes, I'm leaving early tonight [09:19] Center Parcs for the weekend [09:19] (hence Monday off) [09:21] lads on tour [09:21] \m/ [09:21] hikiko: Sounds fun. Two notes: (1) racarr did Chromiun already but it probably bitrotted; and (2) Chrome relies on high precision frame timing which I still have a work in progress [09:21] *Chromium* [09:22] yeah, the work racarr did is now bit-rotted to oblivion [09:22] duflu, qengho told me that there was a patch for chromium from 2 years ago that doesn't work [09:22] is that racarr's work/ [09:22] Yep. And the high precision frame timing I think you can work around (I have in Xmir already) [09:23] what is the high precision frame timing? [09:23] * duflu digs [09:23] sounds like something alien :) [09:23] https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/attachmentText?aid=178027 [09:24] willcooke, enjoy the w.e there! [09:24] It's the reason why Chrome has lower latency than just everything else [09:24] willcooke, don't forget the tie for the sauna [09:24] :D [09:24] :-) [09:25] oh I see [09:28] duflu, so mir doesnt support this extension? [09:29] If you've ever wondered how a web page in chrome can have lower latency than a native app, I think that's the reason. Yes, I have started work to implement it in Mir. But it will take more time to complete [09:30] Xmir (DRI clients) want the same functionality too [09:32] duflu, I am going to start this task in 1 month or so, and I guess that I can start porting other functions first... tbh I didn't look at the code yet but as far as I know from a first discussion with qengho there's an API layer for displays called Ozone that should be ported first [09:32] hikiko: Yes, that's all I know... racarr worked on something called ozone :) [09:33] so hopefully you will have done some work by then or if we see that I can't continue working on the task without this extension ported I could help you [09:33] hikiko: Ummm, they mention Mir too! https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/master/docs/ozone_overview.md [09:34] ! [09:34] that document seems helpful :) [09:34] it explains what needs to be ported step by step! [09:45] hikiko: You can survive without the high precision frame timing. It's easy to fake: https://git.launchpad.net/~xmir-team/xorg-server/+git/xmir/commit/?id=4003bec9f46c725b840f6da05936add439d85ad2 [09:47] :D [10:00] menus seem messed up in z [10:01] http://people.canonical.com/~laney/weird-things/whatthemenu.png [10:02] :-/ [10:04] * Laney isn't very clueful about how that hangs together [10:05] maybe attente has a few minutes to take a look? :-) [10:05] bug 1615408 [10:05] bug 1615408 in gnome-calculator (Ubuntu) "Theming issues with yakkety gnome-calculator in Unity" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1615408 [10:07] I show two applications in that screenshot [10:08] that bug also has an extra menu [10:08] but the screenshot from z has the extra menu + an unstripped bar [10:09] I don't think it is quite the same bug [10:09] never seen the linked one myself [10:09] the title of gnome-calculator is wrong, but not the menu thing [10:10] right, it's not the same bug [10:13] Trevinho: compiz is go [10:14] Laney: thanks [10:14] morning ;-) [10:14] morning Laney :-) [10:14] Laney: as for the menus... yeah, I noticed something weird too... Might be unity-gtk-module related? [10:15] maybe, that's why I pinged the Super Canadian [10:16] hey Trevinho [10:16] is u-g-m still needed/used for gmenumodel code? [10:18] hi seb128 [10:18] Trevinho, happy friday! how are you? [10:18] by the way, I don't have Z's menu problem with Yakkety + backported GTK 3.22 from gnome3-staging ppa [10:19] seb128: Mh, I woke up a little upstet this morning... But ok :-) [10:19] oh? [10:19] * seb128 hugs Trevinho [10:19] And tomorrow there's an ubuntu it loco team meeting :) [10:19] great! [10:19] seb128: yeah, it happens often in the morning... I just hate the morning in any case 😂 [10:20] oh Marcooooo [10:20] abbracci [10:22] Laney: ahahah :-) [10:47] does anyone else have problems with the hr website? [10:49] hikiko: anything in particular? [10:49] loads ok [10:50] Laney, when I try to submit a day off [10:50] it shows an error page [10:50] lame [10:50] try #hr on the internal IRC [11:04] morning [11:10] hey andyrock [11:38] i may be blind here but using say https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1630990 as an example, is there an easy way to see what the 'fix' committed/released actually is? [11:38] Ubuntu bug 1630990 in linux (Ubuntu Yakkety) "include/linux/security.h header syntax error with !CONFIG_SECURITYFS" [High,Fix committed] === hikiko is now known as hikiko|ln === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:10] oh my, I'm getting tarred with the desktoper brush instead of the idler one :p === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [12:39] whoa. cool menus [12:40] hey attente! [12:41] hi Laney! [12:41] how's it going? [12:42] Laney: gooood [12:42] Laney: you don't like the new menu design? [12:42] haha [12:42] what's the philosophy? [12:42] wherever the user might want to find a menu, we put one there [12:43] if we have it in two places, everything will be more 'discoverable' :) [12:44] true [12:44] Won't Fix [12:45] didn't happen in a live session for me btw [12:45] but after installing zesty in a VM it was there [12:45] how is that possible... [12:46] that is the fun! === hikiko|ln is now known as hikiko [13:51] lunch [13:51] then time to cross the badlands [13:51] and do some juju [14:17] gtk-shell-shows-menubar is false under unity for some reason [14:22] popey, willcooke: around? [14:23] Sweet5hark: for you, always [14:24] Sweet5hark, otp [14:25] popey: <3 -- ok, lemme try to pick up the guys interested in snap stuff and (will bring them to #snappy) [14:26] Sweet5hark, popey - quick hangout? I've got to go in 2 mins, but would like to catch up with you before I do [14:27] willcooke: nah, no hangout now IMHO. Just wanted to find a date ... [14:27] Sweet5hark, oki, I'll leave it with you guys then [14:27] and with that - the weekend starts .......... here [14:27] off Monday, see yall Tuesday [14:27] willcooke: aright -- have fun! [14:27] dont touch my stuff [14:28] hah [14:28] * Sweet5hark burns down the village. [14:28] Same procedure as every year. [14:28] Oh, Tuesday is "Laugh at the Americans and their new President elect" day [15:04] attente: I forgot where that comes from... u-s-d? [15:05] Laney: yeah, u-s-d is looking for AppMenuRegistrar on the bus [15:06] don't know if it's some kind of race or what [15:07] but i didn't really look that deep into it yet [15:07] k [15:20] popey, i have faith in humanity. As a back plan i live near a deep underground station that can be used as nuclear shelter. [15:20] off to get a box of tuna over the weekend. [15:21] :D [15:50] Laney, Unforeseen problem at home. I'm going to finish here today and do some work over the weekend to catch up. [15:51] flexiondotorg: Mmk, no worries [15:51] you can give me a link to the the aptdaemon etc on Monday [15:57] do you guys know who creates the /usr/share/icons/default/index.theme symlink in a default installation? [15:57] i.e. it doesn't come from any .deb file, does it? [16:00] tsdgeos: The package sets it up using the alternate system [16:07] just imagine; 2020; whilst one seeks re-election, the other seeks revenge. Hillary vs Trump round #2 [16:14] Laney: which package? i have a snap that is installing dmz-cursor-theme and has no such symlink. do you know anything about snaps? maybe snaps "intsall" deb files in a different way? [16:16] tsdgeos: The package it refers to, which by default is dmz-cursor-theme [16:16] It's done in the postinst, maybe that doesn't work somehow when building the snap [16:16] yeah [16:16] ok, tx [16:24] xnox: y u do mean things? [16:57] attente: I had a brainwave [16:58] https://launchpadlibrarian.net/290846720/lightdm_1.19.5-0ubuntu1_1.20.0-0ubuntu2.diff.gz [16:58] -eval `dbus-launch --sh-syntax` [16:58] +[ -n "$DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS" ] || eval `dbus-launch --sh-syntax` [16:58] so the greeter is now on the same bus as the session [16:58] explains why there's already an xsettings manager [16:58] sort of [17:03] actually I don't understand why, but it seems to be that anyway [17:03] :) [17:11] it looks like this makes the lightdm session not be closed [17:11] so its usd stays alive [17:12] or something [17:12] ._. [17:12] i guess that explains why gtk doesn't get display scaling changes either [17:14] maybe [17:14] don't know offhand how to fix this [17:19] me neither [17:54] Laney: something else to ACK if you're still here :) [17:54] https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2081 [17:58] Trevinho: ok [17:58] uploading unity8, fancy [17:58] Laney: :-) [17:59] Laney: there's also https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2134 if you want, since it's blocking lots of stuff [17:59] Laney: see #ubuntu-ci-eng [17:59] Trevinho, hi, will you mind if I upload new metacity & rebuild compiz against it? [17:59] Or do you want the current compiz upload to migrate first? [18:00] mitya57: if compiz needs a rebuild, please do it by submitting a MP so that we do it with CI-itrain... Or, notify me once done so that I can sync downstream and upstream [18:01] OK, I can do it via CI-train. [18:01] mitya57: better, thanks... [18:01] Trevinho: sorry, no time, but mitya57 can maybe click it for you [18:01] got to go now, going away for the weekend [18:01] o/ [18:01] Laney: ok, no problem... enjoy your weekend [18:01] haha [18:01] Laney: thanks [18:01] mitya57: so... yeah :-D [18:02] mitya57: this would need publication https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2134 as it's breaking xenail builds for u8 stack [18:02] that's only for the phone overlay ppa tho [18:02] Trevinho, I should just publish it and ACK packaging, right? [18:03] mitya57: yeah, if you believe so :-) [18:06] Trevinho, done [18:06] mitya57: thanks :-) [18:06] great [18:06] You are welcome [18:16] Trevinho, Laney, desktopers, have a good w.e! [18:17] seb128: you too! === kenvandine_ is now known as kenvandine === JanC is now known as Guest51811 === JanC_ is now known as JanC === JanC_ is now known as JanC