[09:11] <HonP> Hi, could i ask what this says?
[09:11] <HonP> http://pastebin.com/5xJdQr85
[09:57] <zzarr> hello! will it be possible to port Ubuntu to a Android phone or tablet running Android 6 or 7 if one have the binary blob?
[09:58] <zzarr> I mean, I know it's possible now in theory, but I mean automatically
[11:08] <luxpir_> created a chroot to run CLI software in - it's great. but I'm bumping up against space restrictions quite a lot, having the chroot in my home dir. I could move it to the SD card but have concern about performance/longeivity. Otherwise what can I remove from the chroot (vivid) to slim it down a few hundred meg?
[11:08] <luxpir_> Running ncdu shows the lang packs take up the majority of the space. Are these safe to rm?
[14:43] <Tims_Tech> Can someone help me build ubuntu touch from a cm11 source?
[14:50] <dobey> luxpir_: you can put the chroot on SD instead and it should be fine. might be a little slower depending on how much disk i/o you need to hit with it. you can probably uninstall langpacks you don't need and gui bits from the chroot if you don't need them, too
[15:05] <Acou_Bass> arent the chroots fairly minimal anyway? i wasnt really sure to be honest
[15:09] <dobey> Acou_Bass: grabbing the vivid-preinstalled tarball that is used for the phone image itself isn't really minimal no. it has unity8 and all the langpackas for the phone, along the system apps like browser and system settings
[15:10] <Acou_Bass> what, the libertine containers?? wow, thought theyd be much smaller than that hehe
[15:10] <dobey> no
[15:10] <dobey> making your own chroot and creating a libertine container are not the same thing
[15:10] <Acou_Bass> ohh right
[15:11] <Acou_Bass> i assumed he meant libertine containers :P
[15:11] <dobey> but libertine containers have Xorg and stuff too, because it's meant for running legacy X apps
[15:11] <Acou_Bass> thats it, i sort of thought they were minimal 'by default' but then when you install for example libreoffice its obviously gonna pull in the Xorg stuff
[15:12] <bregma> libertine containers are minimal
[15:12] <bregma> they on;y have Xlib when it gets pulled in as a dependency
[15:12] <Acou_Bass> right
[15:14] <Acou_Bass> i have no idea how most of this stuff works to be honest, i just take it for granted that it does :P BUT, in the future would it be possible to (for example) use snappy to install a Xorg app under mir and have it launch in the same sort of way libertine-contained apps do?
[15:14] <Acou_Bass> i mean, snaps are 'self-contained' anyway arent they?
[15:16] <dobey> bregma: doesn't libertine always install matchbox by default, and thus at least matchbox+Xorg are always installed?
[15:16] <dobey> at least, that's what it seemed like when i created a new empty container
[15:16] <dobey> Acou_Bass: no, not in the future. it already works that way
[15:17] <Acou_Bass> ahhh right ;D
[15:17] <Acou_Bass> but snaps jst arent available on ubuntu touch yet are they? still uses .click
[15:17] <Acou_Bass> but when ubuntu touch 'makes the switch' to snappy, we will be able to do away with this libertine container thing and just use snaps?
[15:17] <dobey> ie a unity7 snap under unity8 session, is run with xmir
[15:17] <dobey> from the app launcher any way
[15:18] <dobey> well you can't use snaps for things that aren't packaged as snaps
[15:18] <Acou_Bass> right
[15:18] <Acou_Bass> but presumably as snappy becomes bigger lmore things will be packaged as such ;D
[15:18] <Acou_Bass> ive already seen the amount of snaps available, pretty awesome how quick its taken off
[15:19] <dobey> but sure, you should be able to run liberoffice under the unity8 session today, from a snap, on a xenial+overlay install on x86 somewhere
[15:19] <Acou_Bass> cool
[15:19] <Acou_Bass> so all it really would take to do it on a phone, is a 'libreoffice ARM snap' ?
[15:19] <dobey> most of the snaps in the store are cli tools or server things, really
[15:19] <Acou_Bass> and obviously for snappy to be available on the phone
[15:20] <Acou_Bass> and that would run libreoffice under Xmir on the phone, confined in a similar way to a libertine container/regular Mir app?
[15:21] <bregma> yes
[15:21] <Acou_Bass> thats pretty awesome
[15:21] <Acou_Bass> i mean... *in a way* i like the current libertine method purely because it shows a clear seperation between 'real' phone apps and 'legacy' ones, so no one is under any illusion that they will be a true native experience or whatevr
[15:22] <Acou_Bass> but at the same time, its a bit clunky and so i would really love to see it streamlined into the 'snappy way' i just said ;D
[15:23] <bregma> a snap running on a Mir server like Unity 8 will still use XMir, and there will still be confinement that needs to be mediated, but it should be pretty much invisible to the end-user
[15:23] <Acou_Bass> yeah
[15:23] <bregma> also, the same snap should "just work" on Unity 7, which makes both testing and transition to Unity 8 easier
[15:24] <Acou_Bass> thats it... in a very small way im not sure 'invisible to the end-user' is a good thing for the phone (its great for desktop though), because it means Joe Average might install 'libreoffice ARM snap' and expect a slick phone app with fancy convergence magic, and instead he gets libreoffice squished onto his little 5" phone screen and the ugly default GTK theme :P
[15:26] <Acou_Bass> whereas if you do it 'the libertine way' you sort of know what youre getting yourself into and accept it wont be a 'true' native app etc.
[16:36] <luxpir_> thanks dobey, will slim down the chroot and pop it on SD
[18:09] <AlexMex90> Hi, I need some help with my Nexus 4. The sound indicator is not working and I have no audio, is there a way to get it to work again without rebooting? I would appreciate it :)
[18:10] <AlexMex90> also, for some reason the calendar displays two November 6's
[18:19] <AlexMex90> hello?
[18:23] <Acou_Bass> AlexMex90: is it a newly-flashed device?
[18:25] <AlexMex90> No, I have been using it for like 2 or 3 months
[18:25] <AlexMex90> the sound indicator just died I wasn't even playing audio
[18:26] <dobey> AlexMex90: do you have terminal app installed?
[18:27] <AlexMex90> yes
[18:27] <dobey> AlexMex90: you can run "restart indicator-sound" to restart the indicator
[18:27] <AlexMex90> d'oh, I should have tried something like that. I will try
[18:28] <Acou_Bass> hmm weird, and this just started happening recently? the sound indicator issue?
[18:28] <Acou_Bass> 0,o
[18:28] <Acou_Bass> im not sure what to make of that xD thats odd
[18:28] <Acou_Bass> and does it come back if you reboot and then die afterwards? or is it just permanently gone
[18:29] <dobey> sounds like it crashed, or maybe pulseaudio or something did
[18:29] <AlexMex90> when I run "restart indicator-sound" it says "restart: Unknown instance:"
[18:29] <AlexMex90> it comes back after rebooting, but from time to time it dies
[18:29] <AlexMex90> and I haven't found any concrete way of triggering
[18:29] <dobey> try just "start indicator-sound" then
[18:29] <AlexMex90> it may die if I am playing video or music, or it may suddenly die
[18:30] <dobey> i guess restart might fail if it's not actually running
[18:30] <AlexMex90> sometimes after rebooting it does start at all
[18:30] <AlexMex90> lemme see
[18:30] <dobey> i wonder if maybe something is wrong with your phone hardware. definitely never seen that on my nexus 4, nor on my nexus 5 even
[18:31] <AlexMex90> I don't know, it worked fine with cyanogenmod before and most of the time it works perfectly in Ubuntu
[18:32] <AlexMex90> with start indicator-sound apparently the process starts ok, but the indicator is not working yet: "indicator-sound stop/start, process 18924"
[18:32] <dobey> it doesn't re-appear?
[18:33] <AlexMex90> no, where it should be in the top bar I only see a gear with the text "indicator-sound"
[18:33] <dobey> sounds like a deeper problem than just the indicator then
[18:34] <AlexMex90> apparently it dies right after starting it
[18:34] <dobey> what channel are you on?
[18:34] <AlexMex90> stable
[18:34] <dobey> odd. i don't think there's been any changes to the sound bits for a while really
[18:35] <AlexMex90> is there any kind of log?
[18:36] <dobey> yes. you can check dmesg or syslog perhaps
[18:36] <dobey> and there are logs for user session bits under ~/.cache/upstart/
[18:37] <AlexMex90> I will give them a look, give me one sec.
[18:39] <AlexMex90> is there any difference to use the bq aquaris e4.5 stable channel over the regular stable channel in the nexus4? I have read that with that channel location works better.
[18:43] <dobey> i don't know
[18:43] <dobey> location worked just fine on my nexus 5 with the ubuntu channel (there is no aquaris channel for nexus 5)
[18:44] <dobey> never used location on my nexus 4, or installed a sim in it
[18:44] <dobey> well, it worked fine when outside; if you want agps i think you need the HERE stuff
[18:46] <AlexMex90> mmmm does it change something at kernel level? or I may have hardware issues installing that?
[18:49] <AlexMex90> I ran sudo dmesg and I could not identify nothing about the indicator, I added grep sound and I only got:
[18:49] <AlexMex90> "input: apq8064-tabla-snd-card Button Jack as /devices/platform/soc-audio.0/sound/card0/input3
[18:49] <AlexMex90> and the same but with input4 at the end instead of input3
[18:52] <dobey> no, doesn't change the kernel
[18:53] <dobey> it changes the default installed apps
[18:54] <dobey> yeah, dmesg doesn't have anything about the indicator itself
[18:54] <AlexMex90> the logs in ~/.cache/upstart/ seem to be better
[18:54] <dobey> but if hardware is disappearing, it should say so in dmesg / syslog
[18:54] <dobey> if the indicator crashed, there should be something in /var/crash too
[18:55] <AlexMex90> indicator-sound-WARNING **: Name lost or unable to acquire bus.com.canonica.indicator.sound g_dbus_connection_real_closed: Remote peer vanished with error: Error receiving message: Connection reset by peer (g-io-error-quark, 44). Exiting. indicator-sound-Message: service.vala:219: scroll: 1
[18:56] <AlexMex90> pretty much it says that multiple times and the line: indicator-sound-Message: service.vala:219: scroll: 1 repeats frequently
[19:00] <AlexMex90> (process:3177): indicator-sound-CRITICAL **: media_player_list_mpris_insert: assertion 'desktop_id != NULL' failed
[19:00] <AlexMex90> (process:3215): indicator-sound-WARNING **: accounts-service-access.vala:218: unable to sync volume 0.940000 to AccountsService: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.Accounts.Error.PermissionDenied: Authentication is required
[19:01] <dobey> weird
[19:01] <AlexMex90> pretty much it does this cycle:
[19:01] <AlexMex90> indicator-sound stop/pre-start, process 3325  (process:3462): AccountsService-WARNING **: ActUserManager: user (null) has no username (object path: /org/freedesktop/Accounts/User32011, uid: 0)  (process:3411): indicator-sound-WARNING **: Name lost or unable to acquire bus: com.canonical.indicator.sound g_dbus_connection_real_closed: Remote peer vanished with error: Error receiving message: Connection reset by peer (g-io-err
[19:01] <AlexMex90> indicator-sound-CRITICAL **: media_player_list_mpris_insert: assertion 'desktop_id != NULL' failed
[19:01] <AlexMex90> and then it dies
[19:04] <dobey> AlexMex90: did you do something like try to change the username for the default user on the device? did you remount / as writable and install stuff?
[19:05] <AlexMex90> no, I havent changed the username. I did not remount / I installed openstore and tried some stuff from it, but this has happened before doing that so I don't think is related
[19:06] <dobey> ok, well it seems like more is going on than just indicator-sound disappearing
[19:06] <AlexMex90> should I report it as a bug?
[19:08] <dobey> sure, though i don't know what against exactly.
[19:09] <AlexMex90> that is a good question.
[19:14] <pmcgowan> dobey, I wonder if its the lock file issue again
[19:20] <AlexMex90> what is that issue?
[19:22] <dobey> pmcgowan: i doubt it, indicator-sound isn't using qt
[19:23] <dobey> pmcgowan: it's written in vala
[19:23] <pmcgowan> yeah something else
[19:23] <pmcgowan> there are a couple old bugs like this
[19:23] <pmcgowan> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sound/+bug/1432689 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1598668
[19:23] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1432689 in indicator-sound (Ubuntu) "No indicator-sound sometimes after switching language" [High,Fix released]
[19:23] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1598668 in Canonical System Image "Sound indicator disapears " [Undecided,Incomplete]
[19:23] <dobey> hmm
[19:24] <AlexMex90> the second one sounds like what is happening to me
[19:25] <pmcgowan> no info there though
[19:26] <AlexMex90> i will add a comment and paste the excrept I got from the logs
[19:33] <AlexMex90> https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1598668/comments/2
[19:33] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1598668 in Canonical System Image "Sound indicator disapears " [Undecided,Incomplete]
[19:34] <AlexMex90> i hope that helps to find out what is going on
[19:42] <AlexMex90> meanwhile, I rebooted my phone, sound is working again. and it seems like nothing was added to the log. I hope it keeps working without dying. :)
[19:50] <charles> AlexMex90, did you file a ticket about those indicator-sound error log messages?
[19:52] <AlexMex90> charles, a ticket? no, so far I have only added a comment to bug #1598668  https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1598668/comments/2
[19:52] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1598668 in indicator-sound (Ubuntu) "Sound indicator disapears " [Undecided,Confirmed]
[19:53] <charles> uid 0, fun stuff
[19:54] <AlexMex90> root being naughty? :P
[19:55] <dobey> AlexMex90: or you tried to do "start indicator-sound" as root?
[19:56] <AlexMex90> no I didn't
[20:00] <AlexMex90> i did it with the regular user, and without sudo
[22:21] <Broy[m]> Yo
[22:39] <hya_> hi
[22:40] <hya_> there is not any snap for SDK to develops ubuntu touch apps on ubuntu snappy core that installed RPi3!?