[04:30]  * zmoylan-1i sends email to dm of this weekends d&d session to start windows now to get the updates out of the way so we can run the character generator software for 5 minutes... :-)
[04:31]  * daftykins sends instructions on how to use Windows to avoid that
[04:32]  * zmoylan-pi hopes it wasn't using outlook/exchange combo as those never make it... :-P
[04:33] <daftykins> haha, nah i don't use MS office or Outlook
[04:34] <zmoylan-pi> so there's some hope for you... :-P
[04:34] <zmoylan-pi> lotus notes? :-D
[04:34] <daftykins> XD
[04:34] <daftykins> i actually get by on the web UI of my personal gmail + now my work google apps (or that new name for it that i keep forgetting)
[04:34] <daftykins> G... something
[04:35] <zmoylan-pi> i remember getting a demo of that from a high end ibm bod when it was released... he didn't have a good answer when i asked why a single person at home would use it
[04:35] <zmoylan-pi> *demo of lotus notes
[04:35] <daftykins> probably the same reason i find folk always want Outlook for the basic sending of emails
[04:36] <daftykins> which one is it on Linux that seems to have copied the entire look of Outlook, hrmm
[04:36] <zmoylan-pi> evolution...
[04:36] <zmoylan-pi> i actually use that... once a week to suck all my emails down to one local file
[04:36] <zmoylan-pi> claws otherwise to imap my email on desktops
[04:36] <daftykins> mmm kinda telling design
[04:36] <zmoylan-pi> the gmail app on android sucks
[04:36] <daftykins> works great for me
[04:37] <zmoylan-pi> it's only marginally worse than accessing gmail using opera mini on dumb phone...
[04:37] <daftykins> 2 taps to switch between personal and work accounts, or i can just view a combined inbox
[04:37] <daftykins> oh are we talking some gmail client on some device that's likely to be outdated?
[04:37] <zmoylan-pi> no, the gmail app
[04:38] <daftykins> right but on what platform?
[04:38] <zmoylan-pi> it doesn't like my 8" tablet and constantly shows connection errors when accessing email.  other apps are fine
[04:38] <daftykins> and what's that tablet running?
[04:39] <zmoylan-pi> android 5.1
[04:39] <daftykins> hmm, well too many combinations to point the blame... never had any problems
[04:40] <daftykins> if i had a different type of workload i would probably benefit from a local client for offline use, but thankfully i don't so i'm good :D
[04:40] <zmoylan-pi> i think it's trying to be smart and ignore my request to keep 30 days of email for some labels local...
[04:43] <daftykins> ah well there's the problem!
[04:43] <daftykins> you know lubuntu murdered my old PIII Dell LS400 laptop :(
[04:43] <zmoylan-pi> it was a handy feature to read email when not connected and get some work done
[04:44] <daftykins> mmm in days of old, now we're online all the time!
[04:44] <zmoylan-pi> in the study with the usb drive? /cluedo
[04:44] <daftykins> oh it only had v1.1 and couldn't boot from it :)
[04:45] <zmoylan-pi> i'm not. i'm off and away from the net a few hours per day even if my presence on irc suggests not... :-)
[04:45] <zmoylan-pi> burn a cd with lubuntu...
[04:45] <daftykins> that's what i did do yes, installed it - and it killed the machine
[04:45] <daftykins> no longer powers on
[04:46] <zmoylan-pi> i'm not sure lubuntu has that power...
[04:46] <daftykins> murdered!
[04:46] <daftykins> well, it happened
[04:46] <daftykins> i'm wondering whether i should bother wiping the HDD in there, the only thing of mine it'd have is the password i put into the OS install
[04:46] <daftykins> doesn't seem like much of a risk
[04:47] <zmoylan-pi> i have had ancient hardware die when i examined it... usually it's hardware on last legs and my moving/examining/upgrading it is the electronic straw that breaks the digital camels back
[04:48] <daftykins> mmm maybe
[04:48] <daftykins> quite the stash of gear to get rid of there though :> hoping the new head of IT at my old College will come and get it
[04:48] <zmoylan-pi> i remember examining an ancient wang pre dos computer running dos 2 iirc... i just did a chkdsk and it died...
[04:50] <daftykins> that's pretty intensive ;)
[04:50] <daftykins> brb hot chocolate o'clock
[04:51] <zmoylan-pi> nearly time for my ap to perform ritual reboot too
[05:04] <daftykins> :>
[05:08] <zmoylan-pi> that reboot saves a lot of swearing at the lack of internetz once twice a week
[05:09] <daftykins> so a WAP/router that grinds to a halt eh?
[05:09] <zmoylan-pi> it'll allow you to connect but you won't get a single packet out of it until it's rebooted
[05:10] <zmoylan-pi> it's web page will say everything is fine and dandy and it's properly connected but try and browse/download... nada
[05:11] <daftykins> :>
[05:11] <daftykins> the guy at my telco that tried to say i can't have the new service today asked if i wanted yet another router... :D
[05:11] <zmoylan-pi> in my day we only had to deal with lgls... none of these lwps
[05:12] <daftykins> i do wonder about the Technicolor ones they put out, unpatched Linux and all
[05:12] <zmoylan-pi> you should take it and make a token pole out out all the routers... :-)
[05:12] <daftykins> that could work
[05:13] <daftykins> i might be committed to make a quirky outfit and a song, then
[05:13] <zmoylan-pi> except for silly companies who make routers that are curved, rounded so you can't put other devices on top...
[05:14] <daftykins> or shaped like a crab
[05:14] <zmoylan-pi> an outfit made of micro:bits like scale armour... a coat of many distros...
[05:16] <daftykins> i'm trying to think of a good native american nerdy name
[05:20] <zmoylan-pi> is chief parallel processor taken? :-P
[05:20] <daftykins> ooh that works
[05:21] <zmoylan-pi> d&d helps my word play... the puns will be thick and fast this weekend...
[05:23] <zmoylan-pi> i did have a look for actual native american names but the lists are sparse and will be lacking any real technical links... http://www.babynameguide.com/categorynativeamerican.asp?strGender=&strAlpha=D&strCat=Native-American&strOrder=Name
[05:27] <daftykins> :D
[05:27] <daftykins> ooh can't wait for my new speeds to be enabled this morning (maybe) \o/
[05:28] <zmoylan-pi> you won't have delays in malware coming to you... the bots will be fighting over your router as it has a big pipe connected... :-)
[05:28] <daftykins> mmm not even close to what you can get in England
[05:29] <zmoylan-pi> i'm in ireland, mooching free wifi :-)
[05:29] <daftykins> free!?
[05:29] <zmoylan-pi> i provide tech support and they provide free internetz
[05:30] <zmoylan-pi> it's a price you can't beat...
[05:30] <daftykins> but that didn't extend to an AP that works reliably? 8D
[05:31] <daftykins> suggestion of an AP, i should've said
[05:31] <zmoylan-pi> i have replaced the ap twice... the power is twitchy and current ap is on surge protection as well
[05:31] <daftykins> electricians always told me those are a scam
[05:31] <zmoylan-pi> they can be. these aren't
[05:32]  * daftykins squints
[05:34] <knightwise> good morning
[05:34] <daftykins> gm sir o/
[05:35] <knightwise> hey daftykins , you up early
[05:35] <daftykins> nope, late :)
[05:36] <daftykins> still on baseball time despite the season being over
[05:36] <zmoylan-pi> hmmm, todays sun rise is 07:30 in dublin so not morning... :-)
[05:44] <knightwise> ah , we are still on DST
[05:44] <knightwise> 6.30 here
[05:44] <knightwise> Me listening to some great synthwave mix to wake up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6x2pz6aRLU
[05:47]  * zmoylan-pi watches episode of cheers...
[05:47] <daftykins> who's in daylight savings?
[05:47] <daftykins> i'm in GMT :D
[05:47] <zmoylan-pi> america switches a week later iui
[05:47] <daftykins> ja
[05:47] <zmoylan-pi> *aiui
[05:47] <daftykins> hrmm i thought knightwise was in England
[05:48] <zmoylan-pi> but did mention been on baseball time...
[05:48] <zmoylan-pi> no, wait...
[05:48] <daftykins> indeed, that was meeee!
[05:49] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: :) Me in .be
[05:49] <knightwise> I just sound like an american :p
[05:49] <daftykins> D:
[05:50] <daftykins> wow Deadpool composer has quit Deadpool 2 now too
[05:51] <knightwise> I think you cant sequel deadpool
[05:52] <daftykins> i don't think it was risqué enough personally :P
[05:54] <knightwise> i'm not one for superhero movies i'm afraid.
[05:54] <knightwise> nearly fell asleep during antman
[05:54] <zmoylan-pi> i wouldn't mind a new judge dredd movie...
[05:54] <knightwise> True :) the one with stalone is getting stale
[05:55] <zmoylan-pi> there is _no_ stallone dredd movie *la* *la* *la*
[05:58] <knightwise> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43-BefmjMFg
[05:58] <knightwise> gagaga
[05:59] <daftykins> i preferred the Stallone one over the newer one
[06:02] <zmoylan-pi> i would have loved to see the new one on big screen... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-eI5oLlIeY
[06:03] <zmoylan-pi> it was much truer to the comics
[06:05] <daftykins> ah the first and last comics i read was the Beano and Dandy
[06:05] <daftykins> can you even get the 'murican ones in the UK?
[06:05] <zmoylan-pi> all over the place. a mate is a huge batman fan so gets a few dc comics
[06:06] <daftykins> surprising!
[06:07] <zmoylan-pi> well 2000ad had alan moore as a writer so it's comics were better than the others
[08:05] <diplo> Morning all
[08:39] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:44] <knightwise> hey brobostigon
[08:45] <brobostigon> hi knightwise
[08:47] <knightwise> Hows it hanging dude :)
[09:02] <brobostigon> knightwise: average, and you?
[09:40] <JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Friday, and happy Fountain Pen Day! 🖋 😁
[10:32]  * brobostigon is brushed up and ready for a job interview at 1.
[10:33] <foobarry> good luck
[10:33] <brobostigon> thnk you.
[10:33] <foobarry> make a good impression in the first 6 seconds
[10:34] <brobostigon> try and not make my autism very obvious.
[10:36] <foobarry> in my experience the success/failure of ASD people in the workplace has a lot to do with managers
[10:37] <brobostigon> certainly.
[10:49] <foobarry> noticed some peolpe are getting past recaptcha
[10:49] <foobarry> on our pages
[10:49] <brobostigon> during interview, its definatly clearer, people who are more open or not, and can tell, who i would work with better.
[11:06] <foobarry> friend is hiring for this role. wants a mid level linux techy willing to learn AWS if they don't already know it http://www.argussoftware.com/careers/?p=job%2FoSjd4fwc
[11:08] <foobarry> any questions i can pass them on
[11:09] <brobostigon> cool, cheers.
[11:10] <foobarry> nobody else seems to be onthe chan today
[11:11] <brobostigon> it can be pretty quiet sometimes.
[11:16] <zmoylan-pi> fingers crossed the interview goes well
[11:17] <brobostigon> thank you, :)
[11:18]  * brobostigon goes up to the nearest mirror, puts on a will smith voice and says, 'i make this look good', :)
[11:18] <zmoylan-pi> tuxedo t-shirt? :-)
[11:18] <brobostigon> lolz v.2
[11:19] <brobostigon> dont you know, men in black, zmoylan-pi ?
[11:22] <zmoylan-pi> i have it on dvd here somewhere... i know the reference... just going with a quick laugh...
[11:22] <brobostigon> :)
[11:28] <Myrtti> I just have the flu and time is limited otherwise too
[11:33]  * zmoylan-pi passes the lemsip and a terabyte drive of tv shows...
[13:40] <diddledan> popey: the livepatch thing doesn't work for me
[13:40] <popey> "doesn't work"?
[13:40] <diddledan> Connection to the daemon failed: <url removed cos it has my token>: dial unix /var/snap/canonical-livepatch/15/livepatchd-priv.sock: connect: no such file or directory
[13:40] <foobarry> my dog is sulking in the kids play room because he was told he couldn't lick his sore paw http://imgur.com/a/i9U5T
[13:40] <diddledan> that's trying to run enable
[13:41] <popey> diddledan: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-livepatch-client
[13:42] <zmoylan-pi> aat least no cone of shame for poor pooch
[13:42] <diddledan> I ran `sudo snap install canonical-livepatch` followed by `sudo canonical-livepatch enable <my key>` which reported the error
[13:42] <diddledan> I tried it on two separate systems, too
[13:43]  * diddledan files bug
[13:45] <popey> thanks
[13:45] <popey> maybe also poke people in #ubuntu-kernel
[13:49] <diddledan> #1639243
[13:49] <diddledan> bug 1639243
[13:49] <diddledan> oh?
[13:49] <diddledan> bot lagging?
[13:49] <Laney> private
[13:49] <diddledan> aah ok
[14:27] <diddledan> resolved. I had an older snapd installed
[14:29] <popey> yay
[17:09] <Asulil> hi all
[17:10] <daftykins> \o
[17:11] <Asulil> Does anyone know what is the independant and totally  neutral English newspaper?
[17:12]  * daftykins walks off
[17:16] <popey> Asulil: no such thing
[17:17] <Asulil> popey: is it an indiscreet question?
[17:17] <popey> It's an offtopic question
[17:18] <Asulil> poppey: I think you're stalinist right?
[17:18] <popey> You can go away now
[17:18] <daftykins> ...
[17:19] <Asulil> popey: you can go away yourself
[17:19] <daftykins> ooh, them's fighting words
[17:20] <Asulil> daftykins: our friend popey seems to be 7 or 10 years old
[17:20] <daftykins> Asulil: leave now please
[17:20] <Asulil> daftykins: leave what?
[17:20] <daftykins> the channel...
[17:21] <Asulil> daftykins: why should I leave?
[17:21] <Asulil> daftykins:leave yourself
[17:21] <daftykins> sigh, kids today
[17:21] <Asulil> such kids here
[17:22] <Asulil> unbelievable
[17:22] <PaulW2U> Asulil: I directed you here as to me English = British or UK. If you are not wanting a British answer then you need to clarify by what you meant by "English". </sigh>
[17:25] <Asulil> PaulW2U: I mean English language either in UK, Australia or US..etc
[17:28] <Asulil> PaulW2U: is that clear now?
[17:28] <PaulW2U> Asulil: Then you have probably have asked a question that can't be answered fully
[17:30] <PaulW2U> Here in the UK radio and TV *have* to be independent but as popey has already said that is not true of the press who are biased towards one party or another
[17:30] <PaulW2U> Obviously I can't speak for other English speaking countries ......
[17:31] <Asulil> PaulW2U: I agree, I just asked a question, it's about  people's opinion
[17:32] <Asulil> PaulW2U: can you gibe a name of one or two newspaper in UK?
[17:32] <Asulil> *give
[17:33] <popey> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_newspapers_in_the_United_Kingdom
[19:58] <penguin42> popey: Whatever people think about that Mac review; Apple have just announced a major price cut on all their USB-C/thunderbolt adapters
[19:59] <daftykins> XD
[19:59] <penguin42> dropped the multiport adapter from $70 to $50 - so there's enough pissed off people to make them move
[19:59] <zmoylan-pi> so hipsters won't need to carry dongles with them, they can just buy a new one at their destination... :-)
[20:00] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: It surprises me they dont have beard clips for them
[20:01] <zmoylan-pi> oddly i connect fold back clips to all my head set cables so that i can neatly fold the cable up and grip it with the clip.  and or clip the clip when i'm using my head set so the volume control is held in same spot on fleece
[20:07] <diddledan_> moo
[20:07] <zmoylan-pi> *bark*
[20:57] <popey> golly
[20:59] <daftykins> so who in England wouldn't mind giving a file from my home web server a test download to see how consistent + fast it is? :D
[21:00] <popey> sure
[21:00] <popey> give us a url
[21:00] <daftykins> rightyo, i shall PM it, just some old bluetooth driver for some laptop
[21:00] <popey> kk
[21:01] <popey> ~1MB/s
[21:01] <daftykins> i have 10Mb upload now so there should be a nice consistent 1MB/sec
[21:01] <daftykins> if it dances up and down at all that might be a sign it's flaky
[21:02] <daftykins> mmm neat-o, thank you sir
[21:02] <popey> np
[21:02] <popey> 2016-11-04 21:02:27 (1.11 MB/s) - ‘Bluetooth_Atheros_7.2.0.60_W7x64_A.zip’ saved [110903225/110903225]
[21:02] <popey> rock solid 1MB/s
[21:02] <daftykins> ooh :D
[21:02] <daftykins> that's great
[22:58] <diddledan_> https://media.giphy.com/media/3oriOh8h4qHcAqN07S/giphy.gif